BitDefender Metro uses MSE. This is bad as many people think it is immune to malware because MSE still has a great reputation on the web as the best product. Can you even install AVAST or any other AV software on Windows 8 without it interferring with MSE?
Try Avast? It is much lighter and is free with registration. I like the gaming mode where it shuts up and doesn't bug and that is a plus. I quit using MSe over a year ago after it showed dissapointing results.
Seriously, does anyone actually trust Security Essentials? I'd rather have any of those other free AV products mentioned.
(shades of MSAV here)
Haven't you seen the comments here on slashdot? MSE IS THE BEST?! Only MSE works... I have been using Windows for 5 years and with MSE I am AV free etc.
I have never seen it promoted as much all over the web as the best more secure AV product. Clearly it is not. It is one one of the lighter ones though compared to older versions of Norton and McCrappy.
Win8 is 6.2. I guess because the server version didn't get their own version this time (Win2003 was NT 5.2).
Yep it is Windows Server 2012. Unlike Windows 8, it has great reviews and is a decent and better upgrade from Win2k3 than 2k8 by a longshot. The domain controllers support virtualization and the whole thing is very VMWare and HyperV friendly with tools built in. It has compression for Active Directory data for slow wan links, and cloud support, and other things.
Not to mention Windows 8 has Windows to GO to create custom thumdrive OS installs and live CDs, Exchange 2013 integration where corporations can have their own app stores to upload their data apps. Authentication from Exchange if you are on the road not on the AD network. Global profiles with this same authentication and Exchange integration between devices so you can use your corporate apps at home by logging into your bob@corp email address. Much improved battery life as well as MS got rid of alot of things that sucked the battery life out of stuff like removing flash.
Unfortunately this is more future oriented as SAP, Oracle, and others do not have METRO apps yet, and most corpos are not considering Exchange 2013 at this time. A few years down the road with Windows Blue this might change. The global profiles both public and private are pretty cool too as it syncs everything up.
I don't give a damn how fast IE's render engine can spit out a page - when the whole affair is decked in usability handicaps. I am reminded of the Vonnegut story, Harrison Bergeron.
When you eliminate the 3 pop-ups and the blocking warning (1 click each) that interfere with you actually loading the element or even whole URL that you actually wanted.
There's no way this is a good experience. "Are You Sure" dialogue boxes are good for deleting files. Their use in IE10/Win8 feels like someone from preventing you from making a left turn in your automobile. "Are you sure you want to turn left?"
Yes, but that's now 3 blocks behind me!
When it comes down to it, this is just another damning indictment of Microsoft's Windows 8 travesty. Windows is now a barrier to the effective delivery of applications - that one formerly bought Windows to deliver.
I couldn't disagree with you more Jeremiah. With IE 10 I can download Chrome and Firefox faster than EVER!!
While IE10 has indeed be made Windows 8 completely unsuitable for user web-browsing, the architectural choice of moving IE10 into the Windows 8 kernel has left a security hole of goatse.cx proportions.
Windows 8: where all Al Gore's Internet can root for success!
FYI I am not an IE user per say, but I do give credit to Microsoft for improving their crappiest product last decade and making web developers and users alike much needed sanity.If people stopped bashing IE then it we could give corps a great reason to upgrade from crappy versions which benefit everyone as we want more HTML 5.
IE 10 has a dual sandbox for not only ASLR, and DEP, but also heap spraying protection as well. It has not been integrated at all into the kernel since the days of IE 6. The only integrating that IE 10 does is the grapnics for smooth fluid scrolling and video in Direct X11.1 and WDDM 1.2 which explains why it is not on Windows 7 yet.
Well MS better be careful because at the end of the day in 10 years we will be using Android tablets with Citrix to remote in for ancient 2012 win32 apps from a Windows app server instead.
When a buyer or sell gets crazy the invisible hand in standard economics comes in finds ways around things.
I normally agreed and laughed with you at users who refused to upgrade from XP. However, I agree with the beancounters on this. IT costs have skyrocketed up. Not gone down. This is true despite huge layoffs and doing more with less and having 10 employees do the work of formely 150 12 years ago with Active Directory. You have to ask what does the business get in return?
Nothing.
Dynamics is kind of cool but most already have their own ERP app if they are big and see no reason to upgrade what works. Shouldn't IT costs be going down as things progress towards the future? Enough is enough!
There are 2 parties in economics. A buyer and a seller. It is in the sellers best interest to prevent you to be cheap. It is in the buyers interest TO be cheap. With prices of *12 and *13 of their enterprise software going skyhigh it is time to hold on tight to what you have and tell the seller to fuck off. The customer may find it cheaper to run unsupported Windows 7 after 2020 with a good AV software instead of paying for support. Have you thought about this? There are businesses actively planning to take this route and still use XP with no service packs still.
If enough corps stick together the OEMs will have to keep providing Windows 7 and Windows 2008 drivers well into the next decade. Then why leave?
Whenever I hear such arguments I know exactly what it is... jealousy
So Frostypiss gets 5 weeks off a year and I don't bawawa! Instead of being bitter perhaps one should seek those same conditions for themselves rather than trying to make everyone as miserable as yourself. It is interesting watching Wisconsin as the most vocal supporters who want to end unions were workers who had paycuts, a loss of a union his or herself, and asked to do more with less. They got angry that some people did not get as hard.
Yes I understand in this economic times unions should conceed as what happened with Hostess was well deserved by its greedy employees. But this post is not a political or union oriented.
FYI I am becoming a teacher so yes I get those weeks off a year too. However, I get paid significantly less and it is a crappy job. However, it is a job with the crap to me (not because of the vacation), but for what I feel I provide even if it is stressful. Europeans and Austrailans get these things. Why are people who feel they have no control or wont want to change their lives feel they want everyone else to suffer as well?
Some states pay crap but others pay good and you can retire by age 62 or 20 years service. If you have a business, science, or engineering background you are highly qualified in math as well as teaching computers and science coursework. Places like Anchorage Alaska will even start you at 50k a year! I know some slashdotters might baulk and laugh, but for someone hit hard during the.com crunch and great recession begging to work for $18,000 a year because of a resume hole it is a steal.
After 10 years you can make up to $65,000 a year and after 20 or 62 you make $70,000 for life! Oh and you get vacation time too. Teaching you get a sense of purpose accomplishment as well rather than helping some 23 year old nitwitt using daddy's money become rich at your expense. There are people who hate your profession and feel you need to be fired for not having your students pass a test when they do drugs and do not show up half the time, and think you should make minimium wage but that comes with the terrory. I highly recommend it as 35 to 40 is a perfect age. You do not need an education degree to start.
> Why do we get a post for seemingly every Firefox release, Because at one time FF was the poster boy for open source. It gave what users wanted - an open source, HTML standards compliant, extendable browser.
Old habits die hard around here.
Sadly FF has jumped the shark by a) never fixing the memory leaks, b) broke plugins, c) fucked the UI by removing resizable dialogs such as the bookmark menu, etc. Sure it is getting faster, and taking the initiative in supporting the latest HTML5 standards such as WebGL but Mozilla has lost focus on what users want(ed) in a browswer.
i.e. The "Tools > Task Manager" in Chrome is the perfect _one_ reason to abandon FF and switch to Chrome -- you can see how much memory EVERY tab is using, instead we are stuck with the shitty about:memory and no way to tell the CPU and MEM usage per tab.
Actually Firefox has one of the lowest memory usages now as of version 13. I submitted that story and started using Firefox after a 1.5 year hiatus. On my own system it is faster than Chrome when benchmarked with peacekeeper. I hated the new development model but Firefox is now leaner and the new api for its plugins wont break each update either.
Many of us are webmasters and developers on here. A newer javascript engine or library is good to know.
It also gives a great reason to approve to upgrade an ancient browser to the boss if you do professional IT. They love obsolete crappy platforms and wont budge unless you give them a business reason and case for those of us who are IT support people.
Is it recent? Firefox had these issues when 3.6 and 4.0 were out 1.5 years ago, but not anymore. Benchmarks show Firefox has greatly improved and on my own computer using peacekeeper benchmark had a higherscore for Firefox than Chrome. Perhaps your customers are not having hardware acceleration enabled for some reason in FF? Chrome is enabling more and more of these GPU features on by default. Older intel 910 or 8x is so buggy it is not worth turning it on and then the video is choppy. A good incentive there Hairy to sell a new system;-)
I do not have a bobcat or an Atom but my old PhenomII shows both about the same in performance. However, under VMWare Firefox 3.6 on this is a POS. Disk access is slower because it is in a virtualized envrionment but it is just sluggish on my same system.
Firefox 17 is leaps and bounds a better browser than Firefox 3.6. I guess one of the only good things with the new agile development. I have Firefox 3.16.12 for testing websites as many of my future users are going to be corps with lazy IT departments.
Run what you do above and Firefox 3.6 will start crashing FAST. Hell go to a slashdot most discussed with +500 comments and click 5 - -1 load all comments? Firefox 3.6 will get a "Script non-responsive error message" and if this is a laptop you will hear the fans and feel the heat. Let alone +100 tabs?!
My point was the web has changed in 10 years and as browsers progressed the user has not noticed besides websites look prettier without those ugly buttons and 4 colors and tables since CSS. 2009 is very recent but any browser from 2009 can't render all of the web well without having issues.
I do not know what to do with IE and the corporate market anymore as they have change. But the fact is things are moving very very fast and browsers need to be agile hence, that even IE is going on an annual trac if rumors are correct.
Shh you will get modded to a -1 with a reply +5 saying Not a single virus ever for A MAC HOW IS IT A LIE.
Next you know another response with a -1 will mention all the exploits that hit the mac and how users were led astray thinking it is secure because of that propaganda and another +5 response will be Oh, THAT IS MALWARE NOT A VIRUS.
Too many moderators are mac fans and it drives me up the wall when someone makes claims like this as the user does not know the difference between a virus and a piece of malware. You are building a huge vulnerability network as malware writers know Mac users are not secure since they do not use AV software etc.
FF 4 came out in March 2011. I remember the day vividly. That is 18 months old. 12 years ago we were waiting for the all so aweome IE 6 with the correct box model ohh and ahh.
That might not seem a long time ago to many here but the way the browser wars 2.0 are heating up it is becoming the next IE 6 of FF FAST! A world of difference in just a year and a half if you benchmarked both.
Shit if you have IE 6 just open it in a VM and the default MSN aka nbcnews.com will freeze within 20 seconds guaranteed! It is the ad network's javascript with "Add this to your facebook when you LIKE IT!" that is designed for more modern browsers.
IE 6 takes about a full minute to render on my FIOS on a modern system before getting an error message dialog box asking if I want to report this crash to Microsoft.
I give credit Firefox 3.x and Chrome have upped their gain. Even the the retarded stepchild IE 8 can at least load but IE 9 much more closer to a modern browser with this same script.Google maps is a popular stress test. I wont even bother to load it undre IE 6 hahaha. Under IE 8 it slowly and I mean slowly works if you have patience compared to IE 9, Chrome and Firefox. IE 10 should be out soon which is somewhat modern but just like the CPU wars in our past as soon as a great CPU and ram become available a race to use inquires making your once fast 386 obsolete FAST. Same is true with browsers.
Ie 6 as much as we hate it defined WEB 2.0 with inventing AJAX. Right now it is a platform whether we like it or not which is why old browsers crash on news websites. It is the framworks that are loaded taking gigs of ram as the browser is the OS.
Firefox 18 and Chrome can make it run decent. We need a another language in the browser I do agree but with smart phones and applets running we need a platform as they simply use the HTML 5 browser for their UI and do ajax for the logic.
None of these improvements feel any faster. Pages still load as quickly as they did a decade ago (provided your connection was fast). Why can't they make anything render faster?
Have you used Firefox 3.6 recently? It sucks very badly which is why myself and Hairyfeet been promoting Chrome for 2 years. Run it on a VM and IE 9 is many multitudes a better browser. 10 years ago IE 6 broke all records in javascript performance. Run that today and slashdot and its default MSN homepage will crash within 20 seconds as the javascript interpretter can only run in 20 megs or ram and will crash.
Old macs at my employer in the breakroom running Safari 1.x from 2006 is simply not even usable as yahoo.com takes 5 minutes to load.
What you do not see is that many users after having what you described are switching to Apple.
You claim people want cheap but most want something reasonable and an IPAD mini is a better bet. Such OEMs might save for the quarter to boast its share price but in the long term lose.
It is true. Even on my asus with just a few included apps I have discovered the OEM disks rewipe offer supperior startup. Even if you uninstall McAfee still runs as it is a rootkit itself and runs scans which slow down the system.
I'm sure intel is quaking in their boots that 4x as many ARM cpus are selling for $5 each, when they're selling plenty of i5s, i7s and Xeons are upwards of 20x that amount.
There are 2 ways of looking at it. That and what a POS profit margin who the fuck cares! Or the Walmart model which in volume you can win low margin sales overall. the fact of the model IBM, Sun, and DEC were beaten by cheap ass x86 linux and wintel units. Intel is part of the old school and will lose in the end at this current pace.
With Office for Android and iOS it neglates a big chunk of office users for needing wintel desktops. Now add other apps and you see the picture. In the mainframe world and Unix server world they first laughed at the PC until Autocad and Oracle started PC ports. Once that happened even the cad user who laughed at the PC eventually left his or her SGI or Sun workstation for a Win NT system. The same will happen with tablets if they can get decent graphics and a keyboard.
Salesforce.com and other cloud providors are providing and many IT departments stuck in IE 6 or 7 do not want to do that again! With a cloud then can choose a surface for the next PC by 2015. Watch! You laugh now but I envision CEOs obessed with cost cutting looking seriously into tablets replacing PCs doing such things for thier now cloud based apps. Where does that leave intell?
If I could like you this comment like Fabebook I would,
In all honesty the only good thing about this boring underclocked CPU/board is that I can get a replacement when needed if it has shit capacitors and looks kind of cool with the blue LED lights that says ASUS. There are worse things in life.
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BitDefender Metro uses MSE. This is bad as many people think it is immune to malware because MSE still has a great reputation on the web as the best product. Can you even install AVAST or any other AV software on Windows 8 without it interferring with MSE?
Try Avast? It is much lighter and is free with registration. I like the gaming mode where it shuts up and doesn't bug and that is a plus. I quit using MSe over a year ago after it showed dissapointing results.
Seriously, does anyone actually trust Security Essentials? I'd rather have any of those other free AV products mentioned.
(shades of MSAV here)
Haven't you seen the comments here on slashdot? MSE IS THE BEST?! Only MSE works ... I have been using Windows for 5 years and with MSE I am AV free etc.
I have never seen it promoted as much all over the web as the best more secure AV product. Clearly it is not. It is one one of the lighter ones though compared to older versions of Norton and McCrappy.
Win8 is 6.2. I guess because the server version didn't get their own version this time (Win2003 was NT 5.2).
Yep it is Windows Server 2012. Unlike Windows 8, it has great reviews and is a decent and better upgrade from Win2k3 than 2k8 by a longshot. The domain controllers support virtualization and the whole thing is very VMWare and HyperV friendly with tools built in. It has compression for Active Directory data for slow wan links, and cloud support, and other things.
Not to mention Windows 8 has Windows to GO to create custom thumdrive OS installs and live CDs, Exchange 2013 integration where corporations can have their own app stores to upload their data apps. Authentication from Exchange if you are on the road not on the AD network. Global profiles with this same authentication and Exchange integration between devices so you can use your corporate apps at home by logging into your bob@corp email address. Much improved battery life as well as MS got rid of alot of things that sucked the battery life out of stuff like removing flash.
Unfortunately this is more future oriented as SAP, Oracle, and others do not have METRO apps yet, and most corpos are not considering Exchange 2013 at this time. A few years down the road with Windows Blue this might change. The global profiles both public and private are pretty cool too as it syncs everything up.
Joe schmoe doesn't know what HTML or CSS is either. But most of them do not run IE anymore during the last couple of years. Why is that?
I don't give a damn how fast IE's render engine can spit out a page - when the whole affair is decked in usability handicaps. I am reminded of the Vonnegut story, Harrison Bergeron .
When you eliminate the 3 pop-ups and the blocking warning (1 click each) that interfere with you actually loading the element or even whole URL that you actually wanted.
There's no way this is a good experience. "Are You Sure" dialogue boxes are good for deleting files. Their use in IE10/Win8 feels like someone from preventing you from making a left turn in your automobile. "Are you sure you want to turn left?"
Yes, but that's now 3 blocks behind me!
When it comes down to it, this is just another damning indictment of Microsoft's Windows 8 travesty. Windows is now a barrier to the effective delivery of applications - that one formerly bought Windows to deliver.
I couldn't disagree with you more Jeremiah. With IE 10 I can download Chrome and Firefox faster than EVER!!
While IE10 has indeed be made Windows 8 completely unsuitable for user web-browsing, the architectural choice of moving IE10 into the Windows 8 kernel has left a security hole of goatse.cx proportions.
Windows 8: where all Al Gore's Internet can root for success!
Evidence to back that up? Not and not from this guy?
FYI I am not an IE user per say, but I do give credit to Microsoft for improving their crappiest product last decade and making web developers and users alike much needed sanity.If people stopped bashing IE then it we could give corps a great reason to upgrade from crappy versions which benefit everyone as we want more HTML 5.
IE 10 has a dual sandbox for not only ASLR, and DEP, but also heap spraying protection as well. It has not been integrated at all into the kernel since the days of IE 6. The only integrating that IE 10 does is the grapnics for smooth fluid scrolling and video in Direct X11.1 and WDDM 1.2 which explains why it is not on Windows 7 yet.
Well MS better be careful because at the end of the day in 10 years we will be using Android tablets with Citrix to remote in for ancient 2012 win32 apps from a Windows app server instead.
When a buyer or sell gets crazy the invisible hand in standard economics comes in finds ways around things.
Jbolden,
I normally agreed and laughed with you at users who refused to upgrade from XP. However, I agree with the beancounters on this. IT costs have skyrocketed up. Not gone down. This is true despite huge layoffs and doing more with less and having 10 employees do the work of formely 150 12 years ago with Active Directory. You have to ask what does the business get in return?
Nothing.
Dynamics is kind of cool but most already have their own ERP app if they are big and see no reason to upgrade what works. Shouldn't IT costs be going down as things progress towards the future? Enough is enough!
There are 2 parties in economics. A buyer and a seller. It is in the sellers best interest to prevent you to be cheap. It is in the buyers interest TO be cheap. With prices of *12 and *13 of their enterprise software going skyhigh it is time to hold on tight to what you have and tell the seller to fuck off. The customer may find it cheaper to run unsupported Windows 7 after 2020 with a good AV software instead of paying for support. Have you thought about this? There are businesses actively planning to take this route and still use XP with no service packs still.
If enough corps stick together the OEMs will have to keep providing Windows 7 and Windows 2008 drivers well into the next decade. Then why leave?
Whenever I hear such arguments I know exactly what it is ... jealousy
So Frostypiss gets 5 weeks off a year and I don't bawawa! Instead of being bitter perhaps one should seek those same conditions for themselves rather than trying to make everyone as miserable as yourself. It is interesting watching Wisconsin as the most vocal supporters who want to end unions were workers who had paycuts, a loss of a union his or herself, and asked to do more with less. They got angry that some people did not get as hard.
Yes I understand in this economic times unions should conceed as what happened with Hostess was well deserved by its greedy employees. But this post is not a political or union oriented.
FYI I am becoming a teacher so yes I get those weeks off a year too. However, I get paid significantly less and it is a crappy job. However, it is a job with the crap to me (not because of the vacation), but for what I feel I provide even if it is stressful. Europeans and Austrailans get these things. Why are people who feel they have no control or wont want to change their lives feel they want everyone else to suffer as well?
Some states pay crap but others pay good and you can retire by age 62 or 20 years service. If you have a business, science, or engineering background you are highly qualified in math as well as teaching computers and science coursework. Places like Anchorage Alaska will even start you at 50k a year! I know some slashdotters might baulk and laugh, but for someone hit hard during the .com crunch and great recession begging to work for $18,000 a year because of a resume hole it is a steal.
After 10 years you can make up to $65,000 a year and after 20 or 62 you make $70,000 for life! Oh and you get vacation time too. Teaching you get a sense of purpose accomplishment as well rather than helping some 23 year old nitwitt using daddy's money become rich at your expense. There are people who hate your profession and feel you need to be fired for not having your students pass a test when they do drugs and do not show up half the time, and think you should make minimium wage but that comes with the terrory. I highly recommend it as 35 to 40 is a perfect age. You do not need an education degree to start.
> Why do we get a post for seemingly every Firefox release,
Because at one time FF was the poster boy for open source. It gave what users wanted - an open source, HTML standards compliant, extendable browser.
Old habits die hard around here.
Sadly FF has jumped the shark by a) never fixing the memory leaks, b) broke plugins, c) fucked the UI by removing resizable dialogs such as the bookmark menu, etc. Sure it is getting faster, and taking the initiative in supporting the latest HTML5 standards such as WebGL but Mozilla has lost focus on what users want(ed) in a browswer.
i.e. The "Tools > Task Manager" in Chrome is the perfect _one_ reason to abandon FF and switch to Chrome -- you can see how much memory EVERY tab is using, instead we are stuck with the shitty about:memory and no way to tell the CPU and MEM usage per tab.
Actually Firefox has one of the lowest memory usages now as of version 13. I submitted that story and started using Firefox after a 1.5 year hiatus. On my own system it is faster than Chrome when benchmarked with peacekeeper. I hated the new development model but Firefox is now leaner and the new api for its plugins wont break each update either.
Many of us are webmasters and developers on here. A newer javascript engine or library is good to know.
It also gives a great reason to approve to upgrade an ancient browser to the boss if you do professional IT. They love obsolete crappy platforms and wont budge unless you give them a business reason and case for those of us who are IT support people.
I haven't noticed any problems.
Is it recent? Firefox had these issues when 3.6 and 4.0 were out 1.5 years ago, but not anymore. Benchmarks show Firefox has greatly improved and on my own computer using peacekeeper benchmark had a higherscore for Firefox than Chrome. Perhaps your customers are not having hardware acceleration enabled for some reason in FF? Chrome is enabling more and more of these GPU features on by default. Older intel 910 or 8x is so buggy it is not worth turning it on and then the video is choppy. A good incentive there Hairy to sell a new system ;-)
I do not have a bobcat or an Atom but my old PhenomII shows both about the same in performance. However, under VMWare Firefox 3.6 on this is a POS. Disk access is slower because it is in a virtualized envrionment but it is just sluggish on my same system.
Firefox 17 is leaps and bounds a better browser than Firefox 3.6. I guess one of the only good things with the new agile development. I have Firefox 3.16.12 for testing websites as many of my future users are going to be corps with lazy IT departments.
Run what you do above and Firefox 3.6 will start crashing FAST. Hell go to a slashdot most discussed with +500 comments and click 5 - -1 load all comments? Firefox 3.6 will get a "Script non-responsive error message" and if this is a laptop you will hear the fans and feel the heat. Let alone +100 tabs?!
My point was the web has changed in 10 years and as browsers progressed the user has not noticed besides websites look prettier without those ugly buttons and 4 colors and tables since CSS. 2009 is very recent but any browser from 2009 can't render all of the web well without having issues.
I do not know what to do with IE and the corporate market anymore as they have change. But the fact is things are moving very very fast and browsers need to be agile hence, that even IE is going on an annual trac if rumors are correct.
Shh you will get modded to a -1 with a reply +5 saying Not a single virus ever for A MAC HOW IS IT A LIE.
Next you know another response with a -1 will mention all the exploits that hit the mac and how users were led astray thinking it is secure because of that propaganda and another +5 response will be Oh, THAT IS MALWARE NOT A VIRUS.
Too many moderators are mac fans and it drives me up the wall when someone makes claims like this as the user does not know the difference between a virus and a piece of malware. You are building a huge vulnerability network as malware writers know Mac users are not secure since they do not use AV software etc.
FF 4 came out in March 2011. I remember the day vividly. That is 18 months old. 12 years ago we were waiting for the all so aweome IE 6 with the correct box model ohh and ahh.
That might not seem a long time ago to many here but the way the browser wars 2.0 are heating up it is becoming the next IE 6 of FF FAST! A world of difference in just a year and a half if you benchmarked both.
Shit if you have IE 6 just open it in a VM and the default MSN aka nbcnews.com will freeze within 20 seconds guaranteed! It is the ad network's javascript with "Add this to your facebook when you LIKE IT!" that is designed for more modern browsers.
IE 6 takes about a full minute to render on my FIOS on a modern system before getting an error message dialog box asking if I want to report this crash to Microsoft.
I give credit Firefox 3.x and Chrome have upped their gain. Even the the retarded stepchild IE 8 can at least load but IE 9 much more closer to a modern browser with this same script.Google maps is a popular stress test. I wont even bother to load it undre IE 6 hahaha. Under IE 8 it slowly and I mean slowly works if you have patience compared to IE 9, Chrome and Firefox. IE 10 should be out soon which is somewhat modern but just like the CPU wars in our past as soon as a great CPU and ram become available a race to use inquires making your once fast 386 obsolete FAST. Same is true with browsers.
Ie 6 as much as we hate it defined WEB 2.0 with inventing AJAX. Right now it is a platform whether we like it or not which is why old browsers crash on news websites. It is the framworks that are loaded taking gigs of ram as the browser is the OS.
Firefox 18 and Chrome can make it run decent. We need a another language in the browser I do agree but with smart phones and applets running we need a platform as they simply use the HTML 5 browser for their UI and do ajax for the logic.
None of these improvements feel any faster. Pages still load as quickly as they did a decade ago (provided your connection was fast). Why can't they make anything render faster?
Have you used Firefox 3.6 recently? It sucks very badly which is why myself and Hairyfeet been promoting Chrome for 2 years. Run it on a VM and IE 9 is many multitudes a better browser. 10 years ago IE 6 broke all records in javascript performance. Run that today and slashdot and its default MSN homepage will crash within 20 seconds as the javascript interpretter can only run in 20 megs or ram and will crash.
Old macs at my employer in the breakroom running Safari 1.x from 2006 is simply not even usable as yahoo.com takes 5 minutes to load.
What you do not see is that many users after having what you described are switching to Apple.
You claim people want cheap but most want something reasonable and an IPAD mini is a better bet. Such OEMs might save for the quarter to boast its share price but in the long term lose.
It is true. Even on my asus with just a few included apps I have discovered the OEM disks rewipe offer supperior startup. Even if you uninstall McAfee still runs as it is a rootkit itself and runs scans which slow down the system.
I'm sure intel is quaking in their boots that 4x as many ARM cpus are selling for $5 each, when they're selling plenty of i5s, i7s and Xeons are upwards of 20x that amount.
There are 2 ways of looking at it. That and what a POS profit margin who the fuck cares! Or the Walmart model which in volume you can win low margin sales overall. the fact of the model IBM, Sun, and DEC were beaten by cheap ass x86 linux and wintel units. Intel is part of the old school and will lose in the end at this current pace.
With Office for Android and iOS it neglates a big chunk of office users for needing wintel desktops. Now add other apps and you see the picture. In the mainframe world and Unix server world they first laughed at the PC until Autocad and Oracle started PC ports. Once that happened even the cad user who laughed at the PC eventually left his or her SGI or Sun workstation for a Win NT system. The same will happen with tablets if they can get decent graphics and a keyboard.
Salesforce.com and other cloud providors are providing and many IT departments stuck in IE 6 or 7 do not want to do that again! With a cloud then can choose a surface for the next PC by 2015. Watch! You laugh now but I envision CEOs obessed with cost cutting looking seriously into tablets replacing PCs doing such things for thier now cloud based apps. Where does that leave intell?
Which wife is it now - your second or your third?
If I could like you this comment like Fabebook I would,
In all honesty the only good thing about this boring underclocked CPU/board is that I can get a replacement when needed if it has shit capacitors and looks kind of cool with the blue LED lights that says ASUS. There are worse things in life.