The problem is HTML5 and JS are not appropriate languages for 90% of development projects. Ever tried to, oh I don't know, make a complex CMS entirely in javascript and HTML5? What about multithreaded applications? What about just the fact that JavaScript is terrible to write any sizable library for an enterprise in? Do you really think Microsoft is going to back a dynamicly typed, poor-performing, ill-organized scripting language to be the only language for writing windows apps?
You can write Visual Studio in.Net, can you write a browser in JS?
Its a free market and once they are free to get big enough they are free to rape you while financially supporting your elected officials to elsablish laws that support corporate rape of you.
Article: "Bert Nerdwell, a leader of biological research, suggests terraforming moon possible"
Slashdot Douches: "When will the media learn that calling somebody a leader of biological research makes about as much sense as saying I'm the leader of people who wear blue?"
I've said it a billion times it feels like, so mod this redundant: The people who are focused on the terms used to describe the people that are actually coordinating and implementing and participating in attacks are retards. If they can say they are anonymous, we can call them anonymous. Of all the people calling themselves anonymous, these are the leaders in being anonymous as they do the most anonymous-like stuff and coordinate people who also call themselves anonymous. Why is that so hard to get through your thick skulls?
I'm being trolled here, right? And all these "anonymous isn't a group" type postings is just a meme that I'm unaware of? Please tell me people aren't really this dumb. If I refer to somebody as a Christian leader, or a Islamic leader or a * leader it does not mean that I think Christian is a monolithic organization and all of us take orders from the top. Do you think the world is unfamiliar with classifications of people (groupings if you will) that lack top down leadership? Hippies, communists, capitalists, conservatives, liberals, bloggers, industrialists, terrorists, the KKK - you can refer to people as leaders of any of those groups without implying a top-down organization that encompasses all of them. How f*cking stupid can people get about this? You aren't clever, this is another case of "[mundane concept] ON THE INTERNET!"
Can you not be bothered to google the two words I gave you? Frankly, sir, I think you're a complete fucking dick to be so cavalier as to suggest I don't understand the languages we are talking about when it is so abundantly clear that VB.Net will let you do things you can not do in C#.
Here is the fundamental difference in English between the two languages: VB.Net will allow you to create a property or method of any signature that shadows all properties/methods and their overloads with the new one. If I have a base class with a function Work(ByVal input As Integer) As Boolean, and a subclass with public shadows sub Work(), you can not do If subclass.Work(1) Then. If it was C# public bool Work(int input) in the base and public new void Work(), you could still call subclass.Work(1).
Now, perhaps you can argue that that is just syntax, but here is another example: WithEvents. C# has no way to do static event handlers like VB does. How about VB with Option Strict Off? You can perform implicit type conversions from string to int for example, and implicit late binding. I can write this code in VB.Net:
Dim obj As New Object
obj.DestroyAllHumans()
Which will compile and run and throw a runtime error. Try doing that in C#, you will get a compile time error. Show me my misunderstanding.
Well I just disagree with that. Showing up to a place you are not welcome against the wishes of the owner is not a right, and the government is not firing you, making sure you were fired, making sure you were not paid, helping you clean out your desk, and it is a secondary action to the free speech. Perhaps you see it differently. Tell me, just out of curiousity, do you believe in property rights? More importantly, do you believe the right to free speech is more important than the right to free association? It seems that assuming your example is government force behind the consequences of the initial action (calling your boss a cunt) is correct lead to the conclusion that there is no workable system of protecting all rights, therefore society and government require some rights to be given up. Am I correct in this line of logic?
You have freedom to call anyone you want any words you want, and the government must allow the KKK room to speak at its facilities assuming it is used for speeches to other groups. Freedom of speech does not mean you lose your freedom to fire people you don't like [because they called you a cunt]. It just means there can be no government force behind the consequences of your actions. This is where I don't like libel/slander laws. As pertains to your theorized right to eat, I believe we do have the right to eat. We do not have the right to eat other people's belongings. Having said that, that does not mean the government should not have a program designed to purchase food for the soul purpose of giving it to those who can not afford it. Somewhere along the line people seemed to have confused something you are allowed to do if you are able to mean they are allowed to make people enable them, which is wrong. You do not have a right to make people enable your use of rights. A right should be something the government can not outlaw and must not take action against. Nothing more, nothing less.
I couldn't agree more about VB code being pretty awful. It seems like that is the target audience for VB and VB.Net, bad developers. I just started a contract working on VB.Net, pray for me. To be honest it has been so long I've worked with VB 6 (my first language) that I can't remember what some of the major differences were but I do know when I went to the.Net launch in 2002 I had a bit of trouble with the object oriented aspects of VB.Net. That is why I assumed the types probably wouldn't conform too well.
I gave you an example, Shadows and New do not work the same way in VB.Net and C#. With a robust enough XML format that expresses any language you can write a complicated enough XSLT to transform any language to any other language, that doesn't prove anything. More to the point the C# examples and the VB.Net examples will not even generate identical IL. Have you looked at the IL code for even trivial things in VB.Net compared to C# with "equivalent" statements? VB.Net will put in 3 - 4 times as many NOPs for one, for two ignoring that there are still differences.
It can't and it won't. China is going through wage increases right now making them an unattractive prospect for cheap manufacturing (eventually). This will move to Africa who will then be able to slowly raise their standard of living as we invest and build facilities of value there. It sucks for now but if they were better off without us, then why are they letting us "exploit" them for so little? In absolute terms our presence is better for them, and will continue to make things better.
So a version of linux compiled for x86 and a version compiled for x64 are two different operating systems because x64 apps don't run on x86 machines? Are you fucking stupid? Also, that does not include any.Net applications that run on the CLR or any Java apps that run on a JVM. Oh, shit, looks like StarCraft won't run on my ARM tablet! Somehow I'm shocked by this! To say it isn't backwards compatible at all is misleading at best, but I suspect you're just intentionally overstating the effects of having a different CPU architecture to make it sound like Windows 8 is going to be terrible. Is the version of Server 2003 that runs on Itanium a different OS than Server 2003 for x86 architectures?
This is nothing new. And it is funny that you claim Windows 7 is no better than XP by citing some problems in XP that are still present in Windows 7. So does that mean Aero isn't better? Does that mean 64 bit support isn't better than in the 64 bit version of XP? Some of the changes to the task bar (such as jump lists) are nice, the libraries are nice, the search is much, much better than it ever has been. But you're right, Windows 7 is not worth upgrading to because it will get "bit rot" just like XP, so we should just stay there on a 32-bit operating system (or 64 bit with the worlds crappiest driver and application stability).
You're clearly being ridiculous. Win7 is not almost usable, it is good. Everybody likes it. Also, hasn't the slashdot crowd had enough of mocking Windows 8 on a shell alone? Specifically when it comes with two different versions, classic and touch because its an OS for desktops, laptops and tablets so, uh, the tablet needs a different UI to be a little more usable? Holy shit. Also, Microsoft not saying ".Net will run on Windows 8!" means they're deprecating it fast? Somehow I feel like I need to wait a while before screaming Windows 8 is the devil and we'll never get off of XP. Actually I would never say that because everybody who has ever used Windows 7 knows it is a good upgrade to XP.
Winforms has been around for a long time now, and it is still around. What, they aren't allowed to ever come out with a new GUI framework without it being a debacle? I would say Webforms is the worst thing they've ever done, but Winforms and WPF? I don't see how that is a problem.
That's not really true. There are differences beyond syntax. The difference between shadows and new for instance, or some of the liberties you can take in VB.Net around types that would break in C#. You know, all kinds of really nasty shit you shouldn't give to bad developers because they will make everything unreadable and hard to debug.
What Microsoft should have done was implemented and improved classic VB but implemented it on top of.Net so all you needed was a recompile as with previous versions.
Ok, that sounds good but how on earth is VB 6 code supposed to adhere to the Common Type System in.Net? It doesn't and if you tried to make it so, you would either have a shitty type system/CLR, or really shitty VB 6. I don't know your feelings on shitty shit, but it is not very fun to develop in. Meanwhile VB 6 still runs, the last two places I've worked at have had VB 6 projects still being maintained. Not a big deal.
Who is targeting planes? The people that blew up an airport in russia (not a plane), subways in Madrid, shopping centers in Israel, cathedrals in France? But suddenly they're all attacking planes? Yeah, I don't buy it. I think the only people with a fascination for planes are us.
Yeah, see, its almost like corporations are "outsourcing" and turning desolate pieces of country in to industrialized ones that can compete in the marketplace while democrats bitch and moan about exploiting people and greedy corporate elitists. Who is it that is really greedy?
You mean all they have to do is blow up the tunnels. This is a fraud stacked on more fraud stacked on bullshit with bullshit sprinkles. Why the hell are we so afraid of our passenger airplanes being blown up? Holy shit, after all the school shootings in America you can still pretty much just walk in to a school, why are airlines so risky? Stupid stupid STUPID!
Why on Earth would you even try to do that? My lord what an uncomfortable position. I can do it, but it feels so very wrong. Just slide your thumb over to alt and the rest is pretty easy no matter which fingers you use.
Perhaps they are appearing in high profile targets because big corps are likely to notice they've been compromised, and its more newsworthy. When a plane goes down you hear about it, but more people than were on that plane died in auto accidents that day.
Shit! This conversation is damned compelling. I came in here expecting to be bored about properties of new elements, I was not - I repeat not - ready to witness this epic battle of which-unit-is-the-weightiest.
Slashdot Mirror
The problem is HTML5 and JS are not appropriate languages for 90% of development projects. Ever tried to, oh I don't know, make a complex CMS entirely in javascript and HTML5? What about multithreaded applications? What about just the fact that JavaScript is terrible to write any sizable library for an enterprise in? Do you really think Microsoft is going to back a dynamicly typed, poor-performing, ill-organized scripting language to be the only language for writing windows apps?
.Net, can you write a browser in JS?
You can write Visual Studio in
Its a free market and once they are free to get big enough they are free to rape you while financially supporting your elected officials to elsablish laws that support corporate rape of you.
That's like lying the truth, it makes no sense.
no ties to anyone who hacks
You mean like most of anonymous?
Article: "Bert Nerdwell, a leader of biological research, suggests terraforming moon possible"
Slashdot Douches: "When will the media learn that calling somebody a leader of biological research makes about as much sense as saying I'm the leader of people who wear blue?"
I've said it a billion times it feels like, so mod this redundant: The people who are focused on the terms used to describe the people that are actually coordinating and implementing and participating in attacks are retards. If they can say they are anonymous, we can call them anonymous. Of all the people calling themselves anonymous, these are the leaders in being anonymous as they do the most anonymous-like stuff and coordinate people who also call themselves anonymous. Why is that so hard to get through your thick skulls?
I'm being trolled here, right? And all these "anonymous isn't a group" type postings is just a meme that I'm unaware of? Please tell me people aren't really this dumb. If I refer to somebody as a Christian leader, or a Islamic leader or a * leader it does not mean that I think Christian is a monolithic organization and all of us take orders from the top. Do you think the world is unfamiliar with classifications of people (groupings if you will) that lack top down leadership? Hippies, communists, capitalists, conservatives, liberals, bloggers, industrialists, terrorists, the KKK - you can refer to people as leaders of any of those groups without implying a top-down organization that encompasses all of them. How f*cking stupid can people get about this? You aren't clever, this is another case of "[mundane concept] ON THE INTERNET!"
Can you not be bothered to google the two words I gave you? Frankly, sir, I think you're a complete fucking dick to be so cavalier as to suggest I don't understand the languages we are talking about when it is so abundantly clear that VB.Net will let you do things you can not do in C#.
Here is the fundamental difference in English between the two languages: VB.Net will allow you to create a property or method of any signature that shadows all properties/methods and their overloads with the new one. If I have a base class with a function Work(ByVal input As Integer) As Boolean, and a subclass with public shadows sub Work(), you can not do If subclass.Work(1) Then. If it was C# public bool Work(int input) in the base and public new void Work(), you could still call subclass.Work(1).
Now, perhaps you can argue that that is just syntax, but here is another example: WithEvents. C# has no way to do static event handlers like VB does. How about VB with Option Strict Off? You can perform implicit type conversions from string to int for example, and implicit late binding. I can write this code in VB.Net:
Dim obj As New Object
obj.DestroyAllHumans()
Which will compile and run and throw a runtime error. Try doing that in C#, you will get a compile time error. Show me my misunderstanding.
Well I just disagree with that. Showing up to a place you are not welcome against the wishes of the owner is not a right, and the government is not firing you, making sure you were fired, making sure you were not paid, helping you clean out your desk, and it is a secondary action to the free speech. Perhaps you see it differently. Tell me, just out of curiousity, do you believe in property rights? More importantly, do you believe the right to free speech is more important than the right to free association? It seems that assuming your example is government force behind the consequences of the initial action (calling your boss a cunt) is correct lead to the conclusion that there is no workable system of protecting all rights, therefore society and government require some rights to be given up. Am I correct in this line of logic?
You have freedom to call anyone you want any words you want, and the government must allow the KKK room to speak at its facilities assuming it is used for speeches to other groups. Freedom of speech does not mean you lose your freedom to fire people you don't like [because they called you a cunt]. It just means there can be no government force behind the consequences of your actions. This is where I don't like libel/slander laws. As pertains to your theorized right to eat, I believe we do have the right to eat. We do not have the right to eat other people's belongings. Having said that, that does not mean the government should not have a program designed to purchase food for the soul purpose of giving it to those who can not afford it. Somewhere along the line people seemed to have confused something you are allowed to do if you are able to mean they are allowed to make people enable them, which is wrong. You do not have a right to make people enable your use of rights. A right should be something the government can not outlaw and must not take action against. Nothing more, nothing less.
I couldn't agree more about VB code being pretty awful. It seems like that is the target audience for VB and VB.Net, bad developers. I just started a contract working on VB.Net, pray for me. To be honest it has been so long I've worked with VB 6 (my first language) that I can't remember what some of the major differences were but I do know when I went to the .Net launch in 2002 I had a bit of trouble with the object oriented aspects of VB.Net. That is why I assumed the types probably wouldn't conform too well.
If that's your argument than would you say the same for IronRuby, IronPython, F#, J# and Lego.NET? They're just C# dressed up in different clothes?
I gave you an example, Shadows and New do not work the same way in VB.Net and C#. With a robust enough XML format that expresses any language you can write a complicated enough XSLT to transform any language to any other language, that doesn't prove anything. More to the point the C# examples and the VB.Net examples will not even generate identical IL. Have you looked at the IL code for even trivial things in VB.Net compared to C# with "equivalent" statements? VB.Net will put in 3 - 4 times as many NOPs for one, for two ignoring that there are still differences.
It can't and it won't. China is going through wage increases right now making them an unattractive prospect for cheap manufacturing (eventually). This will move to Africa who will then be able to slowly raise their standard of living as we invest and build facilities of value there. It sucks for now but if they were better off without us, then why are they letting us "exploit" them for so little? In absolute terms our presence is better for them, and will continue to make things better.
So a version of linux compiled for x86 and a version compiled for x64 are two different operating systems because x64 apps don't run on x86 machines? Are you fucking stupid? Also, that does not include any .Net applications that run on the CLR or any Java apps that run on a JVM. Oh, shit, looks like StarCraft won't run on my ARM tablet! Somehow I'm shocked by this! To say it isn't backwards compatible at all is misleading at best, but I suspect you're just intentionally overstating the effects of having a different CPU architecture to make it sound like Windows 8 is going to be terrible. Is the version of Server 2003 that runs on Itanium a different OS than Server 2003 for x86 architectures?
This is nothing new. And it is funny that you claim Windows 7 is no better than XP by citing some problems in XP that are still present in Windows 7. So does that mean Aero isn't better? Does that mean 64 bit support isn't better than in the 64 bit version of XP? Some of the changes to the task bar (such as jump lists) are nice, the libraries are nice, the search is much, much better than it ever has been. But you're right, Windows 7 is not worth upgrading to because it will get "bit rot" just like XP, so we should just stay there on a 32-bit operating system (or 64 bit with the worlds crappiest driver and application stability).
You're clearly being ridiculous. Win7 is not almost usable, it is good. Everybody likes it. Also, hasn't the slashdot crowd had enough of mocking Windows 8 on a shell alone? Specifically when it comes with two different versions, classic and touch because its an OS for desktops, laptops and tablets so, uh, the tablet needs a different UI to be a little more usable? Holy shit. Also, Microsoft not saying ".Net will run on Windows 8!" means they're deprecating it fast? Somehow I feel like I need to wait a while before screaming Windows 8 is the devil and we'll never get off of XP. Actually I would never say that because everybody who has ever used Windows 7 knows it is a good upgrade to XP.
Winforms has been around for a long time now, and it is still around. What, they aren't allowed to ever come out with a new GUI framework without it being a debacle? I would say Webforms is the worst thing they've ever done, but Winforms and WPF? I don't see how that is a problem.
That's not really true. There are differences beyond syntax. The difference between shadows and new for instance, or some of the liberties you can take in VB.Net around types that would break in C#. You know, all kinds of really nasty shit you shouldn't give to bad developers because they will make everything unreadable and hard to debug.
What Microsoft should have done was implemented and improved classic VB but implemented it on top of .Net so all you needed was a recompile as with previous versions.
Ok, that sounds good but how on earth is VB 6 code supposed to adhere to the Common Type System in .Net? It doesn't and if you tried to make it so, you would either have a shitty type system/CLR, or really shitty VB 6. I don't know your feelings on shitty shit, but it is not very fun to develop in. Meanwhile VB 6 still runs, the last two places I've worked at have had VB 6 projects still being maintained. Not a big deal.
Who is targeting planes? The people that blew up an airport in russia (not a plane), subways in Madrid, shopping centers in Israel, cathedrals in France? But suddenly they're all attacking planes? Yeah, I don't buy it. I think the only people with a fascination for planes are us.
Yeah, see, its almost like corporations are "outsourcing" and turning desolate pieces of country in to industrialized ones that can compete in the marketplace while democrats bitch and moan about exploiting people and greedy corporate elitists. Who is it that is really greedy?
You mean all they have to do is blow up the tunnels. This is a fraud stacked on more fraud stacked on bullshit with bullshit sprinkles. Why the hell are we so afraid of our passenger airplanes being blown up? Holy shit, after all the school shootings in America you can still pretty much just walk in to a school, why are airlines so risky? Stupid stupid STUPID!
Well, will designers still use Mac's when they can't get Photoshop? Probably not.
Why on Earth would you even try to do that? My lord what an uncomfortable position. I can do it, but it feels so very wrong. Just slide your thumb over to alt and the rest is pretty easy no matter which fingers you use.
Perhaps they are appearing in high profile targets because big corps are likely to notice they've been compromised, and its more newsworthy. When a plane goes down you hear about it, but more people than were on that plane died in auto accidents that day.
We should go to a bar together and see who gets laid first arguing about something.
Why do I get the feeling you are going to force a tie?
NO! Neither am I redundant either!
Shit! This conversation is damned compelling. I came in here expecting to be bored about properties of new elements, I was not - I repeat not - ready to witness this epic battle of which-unit-is-the-weightiest.