Green card holders are citizens somewhere else where they are represented. Taxation without representation would be like if the green card holders were not allowed to vote in their home country but also were being taxed on income. Asshat.
They can become citizens (some of them) or they can go home, or they can stay here and get no benefits. Just because they choose to stay here doesn't mean we're bad, it means we're good and obviously they like it that way. Further, they do use some government things even if its not getting money from somebody. Police, firemen, streets, emergency health care, etc. don't grow on trees.
Well lets see, our life expectancy is 78.4 years, so I would say most of them. And its not a corporatist point of view, its a basic accounting point of view. Don't spend more than you make. But what you seem to not realize is the social security money needs to be invested so that inflation doesn't eat away at it. 2011 dollars in 2050 when I retire are probably going to get me a lot less, especially if there are fewer people around to produce things for me. So whats the problem with people investing their money instead of the state doing it? Oh, thats right, its nothing to do with corporatism and everything to do with socialism. Just come out and say what your real issue is instead of trying to make everything you don't like a corporation's wet dream, and therefore evil.
Maybe you're playing different games than me but of the games I've purchased recently. Civilization IV (bought at the store, activated on steam). All the benefits of steam but also I have a nice disk and printed manuals to go with it. As far as I know they were the same price. When I get a new machine its much faster to install from the disc than install from the internet. Starcraft II, bought at a store, can download again at any time from Blizzard. Neither of these require me to swap out a disc.
Seriously, is it more inconvenient for you to run down the street and pick up the fucking game (10 minutes) or download a huge ass game (2 hours) every time you install it on a new computer? Video game installers don't stream "instantly" like neflix video does.
Yeah but a bug in software that causes it not to work on some systems is not referred to as "banning from a single player game." It is called a bug. This is a bug, not an intentional punishment for posting on the forum. Intent is a lot more important than result when dealing with something as insignificant as a video game. This isn't the leader of a country making a mistake and a bus full of baby otters crashes in to a school for rabbits killing thousands of civilians in the process, this is software. Bugs happen.
Thats all just shit to make them feel useful. That is not at all required or needed. "I'm an experienced radio operator!" Wow, really? Nobody gives a shit, its not really a skill so much as something anybody in the world could do if they're old enough to talk. Its not about your damned radio, its about you being such a loser that you spend your time spotting storms and volunteering to use your "talent" because you don't have any real ones.
The difference between redeeming 1 valid code and redeeming 10? Thats pretty easy. Most people learn how to count pretty early on. Or looking at how fast they redeemed them. "Oh, it only took them 1.28 seconds to type in this 25 character string of random numbers.... how odd!"
Small (and multi-million-dollar) business owners have to pay estimated taxes quarterly, normal people pay taxes every time they get paid, contractors usually pay in April (or October).
I think you're looking at a different class of "rich" than I am. I'm looking at Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Sergey and Larry, Mark Zuckerburg, Charlie Sheen, and down in to your regular business owner types like the guy that runs the company I used to work for. I'm not thinking Kennedys and wall street ass-muffins. I don't think income disparity is that big of a deal, I think its the price of dealing with humans. We've all progressed globally in our living conditions since the United States was founded, the past couple of years is a blip. I don't think its the governments job to make sure everybody stays roughly the same in their income anyway, that is a game played by the jealous.
Bad math skills time: If you distribute the $27,342,212 from the top 0.01% of households to the 99.99% of other households I believe you get about $2734 for each household. Check those numbers, I'm not real confident in them. But seriously, just because a small amount of people have a lot more money does not mean we could bleed them dry and fix all of our problems. Its just a big number people can point at and say "I only have $31,000, they have $27 million and thats not fair".
That is not at all what I said. You're not addressing anything I'm saying and putting words in my mouth. Where on earth did I say people shouldn't pay taxes at all? I didn't even advocate for a flat tax. The thinking that the rich got rich for no reason is your flaw. You seem to think the rich just got handed everything they have. I won't go down the line of argument that they worked hard or made wise decisions, but the fact is they brought something to society that everybody else wanted, thats how they got rich. Now you say they're not doing anything and they need to pay for having access to customers. Ok, Comcast.
My argument isn't that the rich don't get more out of society, my argument is they give back in ways other than taxes on their way to getting rich and they already pay more percentage wise (of federal government revenues). You seem to be pissing your pants and whining about it without any thought.
I didn't demand parity, I was responding to a call to keep creationists out of science because they affect science funding with their opinions. So if you want to ignore their opinions, ought you not use their money? The proper response would have been "We already do, its called deducting their donations to the church" not "so you want to raise taxes on them?"
Your post doesn't apply to anything in the real world. Who is unilaterally changing anything? When rich people go to other places, people bitch and moan about sending jobs overseas. You expect the wealthy to behave according to nature!
Who really isn't paying their fair share? Look up the percentage of govenment revenue paid in taxes for different tiers of income. Who is providing jobs, the poor or the rich? Who gets more out of the government, the rich guys or the poor people on medicaid and welfare? The rich kids in private school or the poor kids in public school? Did Bill Gates or Steve Jobs take from the United States or are we all much better off with what they've given back? Didn't Facebook do enough for the world on top of reasonable taxes, or is Mark just taking and taking and taking selfishly? Energy companies allow us to run factories and produce goods, etc. But no, they're just parasites.
People (for the most part, 99% of cases) don't just throw money around for no reason, they exchange it for something they wanted or needed. We gave the rich our money because we thought it was a good deal (better than not making the deal, anyway). So don't act like the rich haven't done anything for their country. I'm not against paying taxes, but there is a difference between reasonable taxes and pretty much advocating for high taxes.
On the other hand, if you're a troglodyte who thinks magic-man miracled the world into existence 6,000 years ago, I don't want you anywhere near a lab.
And yet the multiverse theory and string theory would be allowed in labs, I assume? Intelligent Design is a stupid theory to be sure, but because it has origins in religion, its viewed as evil, as opposed to an equally baseless theory like multiverse or string theory with its basis in a living guys brain and theoretical mathematic systems? Fine, creationists ought not to be doing research on evolution, but to say you wouldn't want to see them in a lab is pretty narrow-minded, don't you think? Can't they just be wrong like countless scientists every day?
Religious people are not religious institutions. Creationists pay taxes, their churches do not. See how that works? Believe it or not, there is no 100% deduction for checking the "creationist" box on your 1040EZ.
Well lets see, tuition is rising, population growth (which compounds) and more people are going to college as a percentage of the population. Future tax payers do not pay for their education right now, as they are sucking money from the tax payers. Maybe "many" isn't the right word, but I would bet "3 - 4" is likely for you in your life time.
Its the part where the people paid for your education costs (what was left over after the "small part" was covered by the loan). Now, since population is growing, there are going to be more young kids every generation, and presumably more and more of them will be going to college. Seriously, I hope you didn't actually get a degree with thinking skills like yours.
Because all creationists are churches with tax-exempt status, and research isn't specifically funded by the government with real money in labs and universities across the country.
Also, thats a fair assumption to make with the tone of his post and the usual Slashdot thinking.
I accept evolution as the best scientific theory we have for how life got to where it is now. That guy was being a jackass saying creationists have no place in science. And the best part is, 99% of the people here on slashdot raving about the lunacy of creationists, and/or spouting the greatness of open source have never really analyzed any data or been able to comprehend and audit the software but they still denigrate faith as if they've expunged it in favor of fact.
Keep them out? So can the religious get a tax refund proportional to the amount of government money spent on science?
Get off your high horse, douchebag. People like you piss me off because you don't want discourse, you want to be smarter than everybody else and just do what you want because your side is right. How are you any better than relgious zealots? Oh, you aren't, since I'm quite sure you can't really understand or have verified any evolutionary science findings.
Ok, thats fine. And I can choose as a high school girl to believe everything I hear at lunch, so upon hearing my boyfriend is cheating, I punch him in the jimmy and break up with him. He says "baby, it didn't go down like that!" while clutching his testes on the tile floor. Guess what? Shit happens, we try to teach kids to not believe every stupid thing they hear. There is a common phrase "don't believe everything you read." Why on earth do we need to start trying to police these anonymous rumors and make everybody feel less safe, and give a the impression that stuff online has to be valid when in reality there is no way to accurately judge or police it? How is what is said online any different from a high school with rumors flying around everywhere?
I'm not denying damage can be done, but stupid people will always cause damage. Making people track and give up identities of anonymous posters is ridiculous, they're an anonymous poster, no logical person should put any trust in what they're saying without proof or a valid reference. Period. That should be the social norm. Now, this won't be a 100% solution, but nothing is or ever will be. People lie, people start rumors, deal with it. Fuck this "we have to know who's posting this stuff!" that's going the wrong direction. We need to be going in the direction of "Oh, thats just noise."
Well the dickshit shit eat who eats shit was just to illustrate my point that people say things that aren't true. I understand the difference between the ideal and the reality. Thats the whole "I recognize its a problem" and "life is problems" part. When you learn to read, you'll understand that me saying "policing comments implies a warranty of the content, lets all just learn about the internet" is not the same as me saying "there will be no problems if we just all get together and hold hands". Kids will always talk to strangers, I know that, people do stupid things even when you tell them not to. When you grow up, you'll realize there isn't a damn thing you can do about a lot, so lets not enact revenge justice and violate privacy on top of our existing problems with other humans.
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Green card holders are citizens somewhere else where they are represented. Taxation without representation would be like if the green card holders were not allowed to vote in their home country but also were being taxed on income. Asshat.
They can become citizens (some of them) or they can go home, or they can stay here and get no benefits. Just because they choose to stay here doesn't mean we're bad, it means we're good and obviously they like it that way. Further, they do use some government things even if its not getting money from somebody. Police, firemen, streets, emergency health care, etc. don't grow on trees.
Windows+R then type your URL there. Its much faster than opening up the browser then typing the URL.
Yeah, and only a slight risk of generating enough power while massively changing climate patterns.
Well lets see, our life expectancy is 78.4 years, so I would say most of them. And its not a corporatist point of view, its a basic accounting point of view. Don't spend more than you make. But what you seem to not realize is the social security money needs to be invested so that inflation doesn't eat away at it. 2011 dollars in 2050 when I retire are probably going to get me a lot less, especially if there are fewer people around to produce things for me. So whats the problem with people investing their money instead of the state doing it? Oh, thats right, its nothing to do with corporatism and everything to do with socialism. Just come out and say what your real issue is instead of trying to make everything you don't like a corporation's wet dream, and therefore evil.
Maybe you're playing different games than me but of the games I've purchased recently. Civilization IV (bought at the store, activated on steam). All the benefits of steam but also I have a nice disk and printed manuals to go with it. As far as I know they were the same price. When I get a new machine its much faster to install from the disc than install from the internet. Starcraft II, bought at a store, can download again at any time from Blizzard. Neither of these require me to swap out a disc.
Seriously, is it more inconvenient for you to run down the street and pick up the fucking game (10 minutes) or download a huge ass game (2 hours) every time you install it on a new computer? Video game installers don't stream "instantly" like neflix video does.
Yeah but a bug in software that causes it not to work on some systems is not referred to as "banning from a single player game." It is called a bug. This is a bug, not an intentional punishment for posting on the forum. Intent is a lot more important than result when dealing with something as insignificant as a video game. This isn't the leader of a country making a mistake and a bus full of baby otters crashes in to a school for rabbits killing thousands of civilians in the process, this is software. Bugs happen.
Thats all just shit to make them feel useful. That is not at all required or needed. "I'm an experienced radio operator!" Wow, really? Nobody gives a shit, its not really a skill so much as something anybody in the world could do if they're old enough to talk. Its not about your damned radio, its about you being such a loser that you spend your time spotting storms and volunteering to use your "talent" because you don't have any real ones.
Of course we won't be going to them. What would they be able to do even if you could find one?
The difference between redeeming 1 valid code and redeeming 10? Thats pretty easy. Most people learn how to count pretty early on. Or looking at how fast they redeemed them. "Oh, it only took them 1.28 seconds to type in this 25 character string of random numbers.... how odd!"
Small (and multi-million-dollar) business owners have to pay estimated taxes quarterly, normal people pay taxes every time they get paid, contractors usually pay in April (or October).
I think you're looking at a different class of "rich" than I am. I'm looking at Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Sergey and Larry, Mark Zuckerburg, Charlie Sheen, and down in to your regular business owner types like the guy that runs the company I used to work for. I'm not thinking Kennedys and wall street ass-muffins. I don't think income disparity is that big of a deal, I think its the price of dealing with humans. We've all progressed globally in our living conditions since the United States was founded, the past couple of years is a blip. I don't think its the governments job to make sure everybody stays roughly the same in their income anyway, that is a game played by the jealous.
Bad math skills time: If you distribute the $27,342,212 from the top 0.01% of households to the 99.99% of other households I believe you get about $2734 for each household. Check those numbers, I'm not real confident in them. But seriously, just because a small amount of people have a lot more money does not mean we could bleed them dry and fix all of our problems. Its just a big number people can point at and say "I only have $31,000, they have $27 million and thats not fair".
That is not at all what I said. You're not addressing anything I'm saying and putting words in my mouth. Where on earth did I say people shouldn't pay taxes at all? I didn't even advocate for a flat tax. The thinking that the rich got rich for no reason is your flaw. You seem to think the rich just got handed everything they have. I won't go down the line of argument that they worked hard or made wise decisions, but the fact is they brought something to society that everybody else wanted, thats how they got rich. Now you say they're not doing anything and they need to pay for having access to customers. Ok, Comcast.
My argument isn't that the rich don't get more out of society, my argument is they give back in ways other than taxes on their way to getting rich and they already pay more percentage wise (of federal government revenues). You seem to be pissing your pants and whining about it without any thought.
I didn't demand parity, I was responding to a call to keep creationists out of science because they affect science funding with their opinions. So if you want to ignore their opinions, ought you not use their money? The proper response would have been "We already do, its called deducting their donations to the church" not "so you want to raise taxes on them?"
Your post doesn't apply to anything in the real world. Who is unilaterally changing anything? When rich people go to other places, people bitch and moan about sending jobs overseas. You expect the wealthy to behave according to nature!
Who really isn't paying their fair share? Look up the percentage of govenment revenue paid in taxes for different tiers of income. Who is providing jobs, the poor or the rich? Who gets more out of the government, the rich guys or the poor people on medicaid and welfare? The rich kids in private school or the poor kids in public school? Did Bill Gates or Steve Jobs take from the United States or are we all much better off with what they've given back? Didn't Facebook do enough for the world on top of reasonable taxes, or is Mark just taking and taking and taking selfishly? Energy companies allow us to run factories and produce goods, etc. But no, they're just parasites.
People (for the most part, 99% of cases) don't just throw money around for no reason, they exchange it for something they wanted or needed. We gave the rich our money because we thought it was a good deal (better than not making the deal, anyway). So don't act like the rich haven't done anything for their country. I'm not against paying taxes, but there is a difference between reasonable taxes and pretty much advocating for high taxes.
On the other hand, if you're a troglodyte who thinks magic-man miracled the world into existence 6,000 years ago, I don't want you anywhere near a lab.
And yet the multiverse theory and string theory would be allowed in labs, I assume? Intelligent Design is a stupid theory to be sure, but because it has origins in religion, its viewed as evil, as opposed to an equally baseless theory like multiverse or string theory with its basis in a living guys brain and theoretical mathematic systems? Fine, creationists ought not to be doing research on evolution, but to say you wouldn't want to see them in a lab is pretty narrow-minded, don't you think? Can't they just be wrong like countless scientists every day?
Religious people are not religious institutions. Creationists pay taxes, their churches do not. See how that works? Believe it or not, there is no 100% deduction for checking the "creationist" box on your 1040EZ.
Well lets see, tuition is rising, population growth (which compounds) and more people are going to college as a percentage of the population. Future tax payers do not pay for their education right now, as they are sucking money from the tax payers. Maybe "many" isn't the right word, but I would bet "3 - 4" is likely for you in your life time.
An accusation of being selfish coming from the people trying to take from others. How original.
Its the part where the people paid for your education costs (what was left over after the "small part" was covered by the loan). Now, since population is growing, there are going to be more young kids every generation, and presumably more and more of them will be going to college. Seriously, I hope you didn't actually get a degree with thinking skills like yours.
Because all creationists are churches with tax-exempt status, and research isn't specifically funded by the government with real money in labs and universities across the country.
Also, thats a fair assumption to make with the tone of his post and the usual Slashdot thinking.
I accept evolution as the best scientific theory we have for how life got to where it is now. That guy was being a jackass saying creationists have no place in science. And the best part is, 99% of the people here on slashdot raving about the lunacy of creationists, and/or spouting the greatness of open source have never really analyzed any data or been able to comprehend and audit the software but they still denigrate faith as if they've expunged it in favor of fact.
Keep them out? So can the religious get a tax refund proportional to the amount of government money spent on science?
Get off your high horse, douchebag. People like you piss me off because you don't want discourse, you want to be smarter than everybody else and just do what you want because your side is right. How are you any better than relgious zealots? Oh, you aren't, since I'm quite sure you can't really understand or have verified any evolutionary science findings.
Ok, thats fine. And I can choose as a high school girl to believe everything I hear at lunch, so upon hearing my boyfriend is cheating, I punch him in the jimmy and break up with him. He says "baby, it didn't go down like that!" while clutching his testes on the tile floor. Guess what? Shit happens, we try to teach kids to not believe every stupid thing they hear. There is a common phrase "don't believe everything you read." Why on earth do we need to start trying to police these anonymous rumors and make everybody feel less safe, and give a the impression that stuff online has to be valid when in reality there is no way to accurately judge or police it? How is what is said online any different from a high school with rumors flying around everywhere?
I'm not denying damage can be done, but stupid people will always cause damage. Making people track and give up identities of anonymous posters is ridiculous, they're an anonymous poster, no logical person should put any trust in what they're saying without proof or a valid reference. Period. That should be the social norm. Now, this won't be a 100% solution, but nothing is or ever will be. People lie, people start rumors, deal with it. Fuck this "we have to know who's posting this stuff!" that's going the wrong direction. We need to be going in the direction of "Oh, thats just noise."
Well the dickshit shit eat who eats shit was just to illustrate my point that people say things that aren't true. I understand the difference between the ideal and the reality. Thats the whole "I recognize its a problem" and "life is problems" part. When you learn to read, you'll understand that me saying "policing comments implies a warranty of the content, lets all just learn about the internet" is not the same as me saying "there will be no problems if we just all get together and hold hands". Kids will always talk to strangers, I know that, people do stupid things even when you tell them not to. When you grow up, you'll realize there isn't a damn thing you can do about a lot, so lets not enact revenge justice and violate privacy on top of our existing problems with other humans.