Yes, instead of actual evidence of what you say in the form of print/video/interpretive dance I'll just accept some hand wavy "they can't do it cause it breaks stuff:(" that has been spouted around so much it feels like Y2K all over again.
Some actual facts:
Comcast is proceeding with nation wide rollout of ipv6, there've been hiccups, but they have an ipv6 blog where they continue to provide updates about the issues they're facing and the progress of their network. [http://www.comcast6.net/]
All US departments are required to be ipv6 on all public facing resources by september. I can't tell you how close they are because the data provided by ANTD isn't wonderfully clear on targets, merely status. What I can tell you is that the number of USG domains on v6 has more than doubled since 2011. [fedv6-deployment.antd.nist.gov]
A10 is specifically working with something that is hard and prone to issues, it's no great shock that they're finding it hard and prone to issues.
I was not furthering my argument, I was answering your question.
You gave an outrageous (and wrong, even with shitty insulation) figure for heating your home and asked me how far I could drive my car on that energy, I answered.
According to you, you spend 4x the entire average household energy consumption on heating alone. You're either lying, or living in a house made of cardboard with just open holes for windows.
End-users prepared: pretty much (all major operating systems, and all non-shit routers for the last several years)
ISPs prepared: yep, more so than most.
Servers available on IPv6: if not, they certainly can be
Backbon infrastructure: Getting there, it'll be ready by the time it's actually needed.
So, pray tell specifically where you think the shit-storm is lurking? I'd love for you to provide some of doomsday talk from the "people engaged in v6".
I just think you're exaggerating how bad the problem is:
a') IPv4 isn't really "failing" at all, there are some issues that NAT introduces, as well as additional workload and routing fragmentation. For the most part the solutions are new/more equipment (which conveniently will support IPv6) and sensible deployment strategies (which conveniently will support IPv6 upgrade paths)
b') isn't a valid premise, because it's your conclusion based on premises... So treating it as a forgone conclusion is a bit arrogant. Behind the scenes, the work being done to transition to IPv6 is very non-trivial, but the transition has already begun and nothing serious has broken yet.
c') There is a smooth transition happening right now My servers are available over IPv6 without any trouble at all, and my ISP has already done wide-scale testing to ensure that they're ready to flip the switch when it makes sense.
I'm sorry, but you've just bought into the fear-mongering from sysadmins that want more money or think they need to scare management into keeping them around. There are some people who have a lot of work to do to make the transition happen, but they've been on the case for several years now and generally speaking everything is going quite well.
I think you missed the whole point -- those are the costs of remaining on IPv4. Yes, the IPs get more expensive, but so do the issues of staying on IPv4 in general.
The GP is absolutely right, IPv4 will phase out reasonably slowly as the costs of using it increase.
That might be the first sensible thing said about IPv6 that I've seen come out of anyone but myself.
I don't need to look any further than the local university which has several blocks worth of IPs and could (should!) only have a handful.
Another prime example is my VPS service; an IPv4 costs a couple bucks a month and you have to justify a use for it, but a full IPv6 block is free, you just click a couple buttons. Over time as you say that couple bucks will become 10, 20 (I imagine v6 will come in not long after that)
I'd love to see Samsung try to just cut that contract... They'd lose a fuck of a lot more than 8billion.
This sort of drivel is just dripping with ignorance. Apple has contracts with Samsung; if those contracts aren't renewed in a timely manner, Apple will ramp up production with a new supplier and samsung will be the only one that loses.
Fair enough, I suppose it never really occurred to me to take them to anyone. I just buy the sets of tumblers/pins that let you rekey X locks the same (usually 5 or 10) yourself.
All the same, I do enjoy such things, and I'm sure many/most don't.
Do people actually have locksmiths change the door locks on their houses? I mean if you've locked yourself out yeah, call one in... but to actually install a lock?
You aren't intelligent enough to have a conversation with; so I'm going to leave you to read what you just wrote and hopefully you'll realize how stupid it is.
Well first of all, your link has nothing to do with copyright; it was a censorship law.
There are some things people are willing to die for, so obviously no penalty will dissuade them. In every other instance, there is a penalty which will do so.
Countries with no punishment for rape, oddly enough, *do* have a higher frequency of it.
You talk a lot about society and your status in it, but what you completely ignore is that there are societies where murderers *are* at the top of the social ladder. Those constructs could not exist if you were correct about anything you've said.
You also fail to understand that being removed from society (either forcibly or by being shunned) is a penalty.
You know that statement is bullshit (in context), and yet you posted it anyways. Mind my asking why?
Unless of course you actually think that prison sentences are in no way a deterrent for anyone. You'd be wrong, but that would lead you to post something like that.
Or increase the penalty. It's in our nature to kill, rape and beat the living crap out of each other and everything around us (see: the reason we exist). We're only stopped by rather stiff penalties in doing so.
I say the real solution here is the death penalty for all law breaking no matter how mundane (see how stupid that sounds?)
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Actually, 3.3kW/h is TONS to keep any reasonably insulated house scorching hot.
And for the love of god you moron you didn't say "10kW/h" you said "10 kW/h for 10 hours"
How fucking dumb are you?
Yes, instead of actual evidence of what you say in the form of print/video/interpretive dance I'll just accept some hand wavy "they can't do it cause it breaks stuff :(" that has been spouted around so much it feels like Y2K all over again.
Some actual facts:
Comcast is proceeding with nation wide rollout of ipv6, there've been hiccups, but they have an ipv6 blog where they continue to provide updates about the issues they're facing and the progress of their network. [http://www.comcast6.net/]
All US departments are required to be ipv6 on all public facing resources by september. I can't tell you how close they are because the data provided by ANTD isn't wonderfully clear on targets, merely status. What I can tell you is that the number of USG domains on v6 has more than doubled since 2011. [fedv6-deployment.antd.nist.gov]
A10 is specifically working with something that is hard and prone to issues, it's no great shock that they're finding it hard and prone to issues.
I was not furthering my argument, I was answering your question.
You gave an outrageous (and wrong, even with shitty insulation) figure for heating your home and asked me how far I could drive my car on that energy, I answered.
According to you, you spend 4x the entire average household energy consumption on heating alone. You're either lying, or living in a house made of cardboard with just open holes for windows.
Firstly, I repeat: get better insulation.
Secondly, "10kW/h for 10 hours" is a measure of energy.
I think maybe you should take your own advice.
End-users prepared: pretty much (all major operating systems, and all non-shit routers for the last several years)
ISPs prepared: yep, more so than most.
Servers available on IPv6: if not, they certainly can be
Backbon infrastructure: Getting there, it'll be ready by the time it's actually needed.
So, pray tell specifically where you think the shit-storm is lurking? I'd love for you to provide some of doomsday talk from the "people engaged in v6".
So now that I've answered your question, now you can answer mine:
How much energy does it actually take to heat your house... because it's not 10kW/h.
Well the Tesla S has a 40kW battery, which if you're actually using 100kW you could charge 2.5x.
Tesla S range: 160miles 100MPGe
My car does ~45mpg on my commute (city driving).
So since we have (thanks to tesla) a very easy comparison between straight KW and MPG we see:
(2.5 * 160) * (45/100) = 180miles
In real units that's just shy of 300 Kilometers.
I just think you're exaggerating how bad the problem is:
a') IPv4 isn't really "failing" at all, there are some issues that NAT introduces, as well as additional workload and routing fragmentation. For the most part the solutions are new/more equipment (which conveniently will support IPv6) and sensible deployment strategies (which conveniently will support IPv6 upgrade paths)
b') isn't a valid premise, because it's your conclusion based on premises... So treating it as a forgone conclusion is a bit arrogant. Behind the scenes, the work being done to transition to IPv6 is very non-trivial, but the transition has already begun and nothing serious has broken yet.
c') There is a smooth transition happening right now My servers are available over IPv6 without any trouble at all, and my ISP has already done wide-scale testing to ensure that they're ready to flip the switch when it makes sense.
I'm sorry, but you've just bought into the fear-mongering from sysadmins that want more money or think they need to scare management into keeping them around. There are some people who have a lot of work to do to make the transition happen, but they've been on the case for several years now and generally speaking everything is going quite well.
I've heard the same sorts of stories many times, and I do believe every word of them.
However they all share a common theme, which boils down to the fact that the company has ass-hat managers.
Is the lesson really don't work from home when your manager is an ass-hat; or is the lesson that working for ass-hats sucks and you shouldn't do it?
If that is actually true, you need better insulation.
If only they had relationships with other display makers that did the other retina display... you know, the one with the higher pixel density.
OH! I know! It was LG
Don't be an idiot.
I think you missed the whole point -- those are the costs of remaining on IPv4. Yes, the IPs get more expensive, but so do the issues of staying on IPv4 in general.
The GP is absolutely right, IPv4 will phase out reasonably slowly as the costs of using it increase.
That might be the first sensible thing said about IPv6 that I've seen come out of anyone but myself.
I don't need to look any further than the local university which has several blocks worth of IPs and could (should!) only have a handful.
Another prime example is my VPS service; an IPv4 costs a couple bucks a month and you have to justify a use for it, but a full IPv6 block is free, you just click a couple buttons. Over time as you say that couple bucks will become 10, 20 (I imagine v6 will come in not long after that)
I'd love to see Samsung try to just cut that contract... They'd lose a fuck of a lot more than 8billion.
This sort of drivel is just dripping with ignorance. Apple has contracts with Samsung; if those contracts aren't renewed in a timely manner, Apple will ramp up production with a new supplier and samsung will be the only one that loses.
Fair enough, I suppose it never really occurred to me to take them to anyone. I just buy the sets of tumblers/pins that let you rekey X locks the same (usually 5 or 10) yourself.
All the same, I do enjoy such things, and I'm sure many/most don't.
You need to learn to read.
Do people actually have locksmiths change the door locks on their houses? I mean if you've locked yourself out yeah, call one in... but to actually install a lock?
You aren't intelligent enough to have a conversation with; so I'm going to leave you to read what you just wrote and hopefully you'll realize how stupid it is.
Well first of all, your link has nothing to do with copyright; it was a censorship law.
There are some things people are willing to die for, so obviously no penalty will dissuade them. In every other instance, there is a penalty which will do so.
Countries with no punishment for rape, oddly enough, *do* have a higher frequency of it.
You talk a lot about society and your status in it, but what you completely ignore is that there are societies where murderers *are* at the top of the social ladder. Those constructs could not exist if you were correct about anything you've said.
You also fail to understand that being removed from society (either forcibly or by being shunned) is a penalty.
You know that statement is bullshit (in context), and yet you posted it anyways. Mind my asking why?
Unless of course you actually think that prison sentences are in no way a deterrent for anyone. You'd be wrong, but that would lead you to post something like that.
Or increase the penalty. It's in our nature to kill, rape and beat the living crap out of each other and everything around us (see: the reason we exist). We're only stopped by rather stiff penalties in doing so.
I say the real solution here is the death penalty for all law breaking no matter how mundane (see how stupid that sounds?)
You really just can't admit that you're wrong, huh?
You have a resident telling you you're wrong
You have sites that specialize in this telling you that you're wrong.
You must be religious...
http://www.ontariogasprices.com/Esso_Gas_Stations/Monkland/102076/index.aspx
Try not to be a dumbass, your own sources prove you wrong for gods sake.
(that's just the first one, they're all like that)
Yes, that is a good example.