Yep. True, true. PPC Linux just goes to show how much OS X is making the hardware look slow. Even on a slower Mac like the iBook, Linux PPC hums along while OS X lags.
Apple should take a lesson from the open source folk here. It is really shameful that the various Linux GUIs run fast, while OS X GUI runs slow.
Yes, I know all the fancy things the OS is doing that need so much horsepower. If the penalty is a slow GUI, then perhaps the OS should not be designed to do those things?
DMA isn't the problem, OS X is the problem. The iBook, even with 512 MB of RAM, is just slow. Live with it I guess... and everyone considering one of these machines should try before they buy.
I was just at CompUSA playing with the new dual Macs with Jaguar, and even they lag quite frequently, especially with web browsers.
You can buy the Dell 8000 dock for like $100 new on eBay, if not less by now. I bought one about 2 years ago. It is a nice, functional piece of hardware. Why dick around?
When I was using OS X, I looked high and low for an editor with tag autocomplete and syntax coloring, like Homesite on Windows. Never found anything as good as Homesite.
First off, Pepper is great and it's too bad it's going away.
From the interview: "A huge amount of work that went into designing the ultimate GUI was thrown away and all we got back was a bag full of candy that was dog slow."
Some of you know that I've been pretty vocal, complaining about how slow Mac OS X is. I've been called a liar and a troll. It's been implied that I must have had some configuration problem on the OS X machines I've used. I've been called stupid and ignorant.
Yet here in the article, we have Maarten Hekkelman, a well respected developer, and even HE says OS X is slow. Is Maarten a troll, or is it just that OS X is slow, and no one wants to admit it?
No cel phone article would be complete without a link to phone bashing, where you can watch videos of people in giant foam rubber cel phone suits snatch people's phones and destroy them.
I was young, so my memory is not that great. But I remember some trick with the "Space Invaders" cartridge, where you would hold down the "option" toggle switch while you powered the system on, and you would become invincible... or something. Anyone remember?
It occurred to me the other day that the natural gas companies are in the perfect position to become the sole utility provider.
Interesting you should bring that up - there have actually been a few R&D projects at the natural gas utility in Southern California trying to figure out how to run fiber THROUGH the natural gas pipes. Wild, huh?
Have you ever thought that the problem was a misconfiguration of the machine and OS.
No, I haven't. I took it out of the box, upgraded the RAM to 512, and immediately downloaded all the patches from Apple. It was slow, right away. What else, exactly, do you think the user should have to do?
You cannot BS anyone into believing you are playing any type of 3d games with decent fps or doing anything of a graphical nature on the machine.
As an example, I use Tony Hawk Pro skater 2. The Mac was 500mhz with OS X 10.1.5 and an ATI Rage 128 and 512 MB RAM. The PC is 700mhz with Windows 2000 and 256 MB RAM with a (far inferior) ATI Rage Mobility (Basically, a Rage Pro). The PC runs the game smoothly, the Mac stutters and jerks.
Mozilla would be another good test. Runs fine as my everyday browser on the Windows machine. Under OS X, it lags at window sizing, launching new windows, text entry, and scrolling up and down lengthy web pages.
I have often heard that IE is slow on os X, but that doesn't mean that all browsers are slow and FWIW, browsers can render a webpage in one of two ways.
Every browser I've used on OS X (and I've used them all - Chimera, Mozilla, IE, Omniweb, et al) is slower than what's available on Windows - sometimes significantly slower.
Running around spreading what amounts to FUD does not help improve gaming or browsing on Macs
It's not FUD, it's true. And yes, hopefully complaining will make a difference! What kind of message does it send when OS X is slow, and all the users just go out and buy new Macs? Doesn't give Apple much incentive to fix it.
On the other hand, if the users were up in arms (as they should be), Apple would have to fix OS X in a hurry. The user's blind loyalty hurts them, they get less for their dollar than they would if they exercised their consumer choices.
I have a duty to tell others so they don't get suckered into the same mistake. I bought my iBook based on recommendations I read here on Slashdot about how nice it was. They were right, it's a very nice machine, except they forgot to mention how slow OS X is!
I was in CompUSA over the weekend and got to play with the new dual machines. Unbelievably, OS X STILL lags, even with Jaguar and the fast CPU! Especially for web browsers and games.
Again, I am not saying "OS X sucks". In fact I like it alot, except for the speed issue. As a result, I recommend that anyone planning on buying a Mac try before they buy to avoid unpleasant surprises. If you can live with the slow GUI speed, great. I couldn't.
P.S. FWIW, the machine that replaced the iBook is an HP Omnibook PIII 700 with half the RAM my iBook had. The HP is far faster for every computing task I have tried despite having a far worse video chip. Go figure.
And Apple would promptly use the DMCA to smack them down. There is no way Apple is going to allow the existence of an OS X that runs on any old hardware. (Though I wish they would).
Don't get all excited just yet. Even if this came to fruition, it would almost certainly be on a very narrow subset of x86 (apple-controlled) hardware - not just something you could buy in a box and install on your existing generic box.
As such, it would suffer from all the current problems of the Apple platform: no 'cheap' (This does hold promise, though. I've been very disappointed with the GUI speed of OSX, and I'd be very interested in how much of a speedup there would be on more modern hardware.
This is an excellent example of fair use, and everybody here should be standing up in support of it.
No, fair use is me making my own edit for my kids in the privacy of my own home. This is making editing for the purpose for renting/selling them at profit, and that is not fair use.
Fair use is an important concept and one that deserves protection. Please don't dilute it by calling this type of activity fair use.
When it comes to art, I think the viewer should either take it as it comes, or not listen/watch/view at all. I would be PO'd if someone distributed my photographs that were changed in some way.
These self rightous people kill me! If you are so offended by the words fuck, shit, and goddamn, naked ladies or violence, then why do you SUPPORT the producers by buying/renting those films? Why don't they take a stand and NOT rent/buy the films they find offensive?
Slashdot Mirror
Yep. True, true. PPC Linux just goes to show how much OS X is making the hardware look slow. Even on a slower Mac like the iBook, Linux PPC hums along while OS X lags.
Apple should take a lesson from the open source folk here. It is really shameful that the various Linux GUIs run fast, while OS X GUI runs slow.
Yes, I know all the fancy things the OS is doing that need so much horsepower. If the penalty is a slow GUI, then perhaps the OS should not be designed to do those things?
I was just at CompUSA playing with the new dual Macs with Jaguar, and even they lag quite frequently, especially with web browsers.
So, you're admitting that it WAS slow before Jaguar?
So you admit it was slow before?
Microsoft stuff may be insecure, but at least it isn't DOG SLOW like Mac OS X.
You can buy the Dell 8000 dock for like $100 new on eBay, if not less by now. I bought one about 2 years ago. It is a nice, functional piece of hardware. Why dick around?
When I was using OS X, I looked high and low for an editor with tag autocomplete and syntax coloring, like Homesite on Windows. Never found anything as good as Homesite.
From the interview: "A huge amount of work that went into designing the ultimate GUI was thrown away and all we got back was a bag full of candy that was dog slow."
Some of you know that I've been pretty vocal, complaining about how slow Mac OS X is. I've been called a liar and a troll. It's been implied that I must have had some configuration problem on the OS X machines I've used. I've been called stupid and ignorant.
Yet here in the article, we have Maarten Hekkelman, a well respected developer, and even HE says OS X is slow. Is Maarten a troll, or is it just that OS X is slow, and no one wants to admit it?
No cel phone article would be complete without a link to phone bashing, where you can watch videos of people in giant foam rubber cel phone suits snatch people's phones and destroy them.
I was young, so my memory is not that great. But I remember some trick with the "Space Invaders" cartridge, where you would hold down the "option" toggle switch while you powered the system on, and you would become invincible... or something. Anyone remember?
And when you were eaten by the dragon, it looked like a giant duck - with a square (the player) inside. Ah, those were the days.
Out of curiosity, what was the easter egg? The hidden dungeon?
Even if it wasn't him, great game. Gotta find an emulator for that one.
Interesting you should bring that up - there have actually been a few R&D projects at the natural gas utility in Southern California trying to figure out how to run fiber THROUGH the natural gas pipes. Wild, huh?
Is that good?
Has anyone noticed how slow MacOS X is, even 10.2?
No, I haven't. I took it out of the box, upgraded the RAM to 512, and immediately downloaded all the patches from Apple. It was slow, right away. What else, exactly, do you think the user should have to do?
You cannot BS anyone into believing you are playing any type of 3d games with decent fps or doing anything of a graphical nature on the machine.
As an example, I use Tony Hawk Pro skater 2. The Mac was 500mhz with OS X 10.1.5 and an ATI Rage 128 and 512 MB RAM. The PC is 700mhz with Windows 2000 and 256 MB RAM with a (far inferior) ATI Rage Mobility (Basically, a Rage Pro). The PC runs the game smoothly, the Mac stutters and jerks.
Mozilla would be another good test. Runs fine as my everyday browser on the Windows machine. Under OS X, it lags at window sizing, launching new windows, text entry, and scrolling up and down lengthy web pages.
I have often heard that IE is slow on os X, but that doesn't mean that all browsers are slow and FWIW, browsers can render a webpage in one of two ways.
Every browser I've used on OS X (and I've used them all - Chimera, Mozilla, IE, Omniweb, et al) is slower than what's available on Windows - sometimes significantly slower.
Running around spreading what amounts to FUD does not help improve gaming or browsing on Macs
It's not FUD, it's true. And yes, hopefully complaining will make a difference! What kind of message does it send when OS X is slow, and all the users just go out and buy new Macs? Doesn't give Apple much incentive to fix it.
On the other hand, if the users were up in arms (as they should be), Apple would have to fix OS X in a hurry. The user's blind loyalty hurts them, they get less for their dollar than they would if they exercised their consumer choices.
I was in CompUSA over the weekend and got to play with the new dual machines. Unbelievably, OS X STILL lags, even with Jaguar and the fast CPU! Especially for web browsers and games.
Again, I am not saying "OS X sucks". In fact I like it alot, except for the speed issue. As a result, I recommend that anyone planning on buying a Mac try before they buy to avoid unpleasant surprises. If you can live with the slow GUI speed, great. I couldn't.
P.S. FWIW, the machine that replaced the iBook is an HP Omnibook PIII 700 with half the RAM my iBook had. The HP is far faster for every computing task I have tried despite having a far worse video chip. Go figure.
Has anyone noticed how slow MacOS X is?
Parody certainly is fair use. But removing the f-word and bare breasts from a film, then redistributing it does not constitute parody.
And Apple would promptly use the DMCA to smack them down. There is no way Apple is going to allow the existence of an OS X that runs on any old hardware. (Though I wish they would).
How long 'til we get to see an .iso of OS X for x86 on Gnutella?
As such, it would suffer from all the current problems of the Apple platform: no 'cheap' (This does hold promise, though. I've been very disappointed with the GUI speed of OSX, and I'd be very interested in how much of a speedup there would be on more modern hardware.
This is an excellent example of fair use, and everybody here should be standing up in support of it.
No, fair use is me making my own edit for my kids in the privacy of my own home. This is making editing for the purpose for renting/selling them at profit, and that is not fair use.
Fair use is an important concept and one that deserves protection. Please don't dilute it by calling this type of activity fair use.
These self rightous people kill me! If you are so offended by the words fuck, shit, and goddamn, naked ladies or violence, then why do you SUPPORT the producers by buying/renting those films? Why don't they take a stand and NOT rent/buy the films they find offensive?
Can you back that up with a link? I haven't seen a single success story for OS X, this is hardly what I would call "has been done".