The next big wave in Linux has already begun. Commodity hardware (PCs) now has Commodity Operating Systems (Linux, FreeBSD, et al). Forget about PCs. That war has been won. The only remaining thing to do on PCs is for the applications to become as polished as Win apps. OEMs are finally delivering Linux hardware drivers. Some do it readily, some after being pressured, but it is becoming normal now to see Linux support at the hardware level for PC products. Linux fans, the next BIG THING in Linuxland is happening on two fronts - the embedded linux front, and the large scale, clustered, mainframe front. THE NEXT BIG THING, embedded Linux is so cool - it takes me back to the 70's and early 80's Heathkit days. Now you can get a working Linux on a SIMM circuit board ( http://www.openhardware.net/Users/TomW and as prveiously mentioned here http://www.ucsimm.com )
Then, you have IBM's recent announcements about their port to the S/390, with a test system running +40,000 linux images. Let your imagination run a bit with that.
So, forget about forking as a BIG DEAL. IT'S NO BIG DEAL. What you really want is *managed forking*.
And because of the openness of Linux, it is being ported to such a variety of platforms, you will see obvious forking - because of the various hardware specific cpu ports
For example, if IBM decides to stay with 2.2.13 for the next 5 years on S/390, and only does a few patches here and there, and maybe adds some machine specific enhancements, and it's rock solid, who cares about forking - it's Linux. You won't miss anything new in Linuxland on the S/390, like Plug and Play enhancements for PCs in future kernel releases - you won't need that on the S/390.
It's wonderful to see SCO bow on bended knee to the peasants now (Linux). Not just SCO, but Sun, Novell, Apple, and a host of other arrogant OEMs that must now sit up and take note that Linux isn't going away!
They're getting what they deserve. I am happy to see SCO, Sun, Novell, Apple, AT&T and all the other greedy OEMs now on bended knee to Linux.
Like Linus, years ago, I too wanted to buy a copy of SCO or Interactive, or Solaris, and couldn't afford their price gouging.
I wanted to learn Unix, and couldn't get a job doing Unix, because I couldn't afford to learn it, unless I was able to beg, borrow or steal time on a big Unix system.
Linux has changed all this now, and I am grateful for what Linus has done.Linus did the right thing - roll your own!
And I am laughing my ass off now that Sun has come crying to IBM to load Solaris on their RISC boxes.
It's a great day now that all these giants are suffering. IBM is the only smart one in the bunch.
It's the arrogance and ill will towards the end users who have to pay an arm and a leg for their technology that is doing these old giants in.
Sure, Solaris and their big systems are great products, overpriced, but great products. And Sun will never make it to the desktop like Linux has. The only thing Scott has done is instilled a hatred for MS products into Solaris users, and created an army of elitist arrogant sysadmins.
Look at Novell, invincible just a few years ago, now they need to explain to us all why they're still in business.
You arrogant Solaris elitists, and all you SCO VARs, better get a copy of SuSE or RH and start learning Linux!
Not true. In IBM's announcement of support for Linux they specifically made mention of the fact that they are supporting ALL of the major distro's to avoid favoritisms. And you clowns who keep saying "just everyone roll over and let Red Hype have all the pie" are annoying. You haven't really thought that through and are just spewing. You really don't want to think. You're happy that someone is succeeding, and that they are good at marketing, but just because a company is successful at marketing, doesn't mean they have good products. (Sounds familiar doesn't it...aka Windows) SuSE is a very cool distribution, and they have done a good job. If someone points me to a better distribution, I will definitely check it out. Remember gang, for the price of these distributions, you can afford to buy several. Go buy one of each and then form an opinion. $50 and less for each. In fact, you can get Evalution (Lite) versions of SuSE for *FREE* for the asking. They have a single CD "lite" release that is great for building simple servers with, and just because it says "eval" - it doesn't expire or break after a certain time frame.
They moved the kernel into/boot, a logical move./boot is a standard directory on all distributions You can boot a kernel from anywhere you want to, so if you simply must have the kernel sitting in the root directory, you can tell LILO to find it there. That will keep you Windows converts from panicing when you don't see any files sitting in the root directory. I have the same xeon dual machine running 2.2.2, and will be compiling 2.2.3 today. So quit whining, download the kernel and start compiling.;)
I've got it running on a xeon dual processor IBM Zpro Intellistation in the lab and it looks great. SuSE includes gnome, but I haven't been able to get it to work, so I found out there's a site all SuSE users should check out: (all are mirrors of the same page) http://gnome.linuxbe.org/ http://www.tu-harburg.de/skf/Pub/ifmpc118.ifm.uni- hamburg.de/gnome.html http://ifmpc118.ifm.uni-hamburg.de/gnome.html very slow) Anyway, don't install gnome from the 6.0 distribution. Even after downloading all the latest gnome crap, I still haven't got it working, it seems to need so much add'l crap just to get it going. I wish *nix developers would learn from the Win developers that you need to just make a big tarball or archive of some kind with ALL the necessary shit in it so I can just install it and run it. Keep working fellas, you'll learn. But SuSE 6.0 is great and worth every dime! SuSE 6.0 is a major improvement over their previous releases, and is a 'must read' for any serious Linux nut. I think it's much better than Red Hype and includes several databases (Informix, Adabas, MySQL, Sybase, and several others, along with a couple of other window managers, like ICE - very simple but nice, as well as FVWM95, FVWM, and KDE. KDE is coming along nicely now, I wish the devlopers would clean up some of the file ops, like finish a working Explorer clone that has smb capability so I can dump my Win desktops completely.
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AGREE! RPM sucks! It's overcomplicated and unnecessary, when all that is really needed are good install scripts to accompany a tar.gz file.
The next big wave in Linux has already begun.
Commodity hardware (PCs) now has Commodity Operating Systems (Linux, FreeBSD, et al).
Forget about PCs. That war has been won. The only remaining thing to do on PCs is for the applications to become as polished as Win apps. OEMs are finally delivering Linux hardware drivers. Some do it readily, some after being pressured, but it is becoming normal now to see Linux support at the hardware level for PC products.
Linux fans, the next BIG THING in Linuxland is happening on two fronts - the embedded linux front, and the large scale, clustered, mainframe front.
THE NEXT BIG THING, embedded Linux is so cool - it takes me back to the 70's and early 80's Heathkit days. Now you can get a working Linux on a SIMM circuit board ( http://www.openhardware.net/Users/TomW and as prveiously mentioned here http://www.ucsimm.com )
Then, you have IBM's recent announcements about their port to the S/390, with a test system running +40,000 linux images. Let your imagination run a bit with that.
So, forget about forking as a BIG DEAL. IT'S NO BIG DEAL. What you really want is *managed forking*.
And because of the openness of Linux, it is being ported to such a variety of platforms, you will see obvious forking - because of the various hardware specific cpu ports
For example, if IBM decides to stay with 2.2.13 for the next 5 years on S/390, and only does a few patches here and there, and maybe adds some machine specific enhancements, and it's rock solid, who cares about forking - it's Linux. You won't miss anything new in Linuxland on the S/390, like Plug and Play enhancements for PCs in future kernel releases - you won't need that on the S/390.
It's wonderful to see SCO bow on bended knee to the peasants now (Linux). Not just SCO, but Sun, Novell, Apple, and a host of other arrogant OEMs that must now sit up and take note that Linux isn't going away!
They're getting what they deserve. I am happy to see SCO, Sun, Novell, Apple, AT&T and all the other greedy OEMs now on bended knee to Linux.
Like Linus, years ago, I too wanted to buy a copy of SCO or Interactive, or Solaris, and couldn't afford their price gouging.
I wanted to learn Unix, and couldn't get a job doing Unix, because I couldn't afford to learn it, unless I was able to beg, borrow or steal time on a big Unix system.
Linux has changed all this now, and I am grateful for what Linus has done.Linus did the right thing - roll your own!
And I am laughing my ass off now that Sun has come crying to IBM to load Solaris on their RISC boxes.
It's a great day now that all these giants are suffering. IBM is the only smart one in the bunch.
It's the arrogance and ill will towards the end users who have to pay an arm and a leg for their technology that is doing these old giants in.
Sure, Solaris and their big systems are great products, overpriced, but great products. And Sun will never make it to the desktop like Linux has. The only thing Scott has done is instilled a hatred for MS products into Solaris users, and created an army of elitist arrogant sysadmins.
Look at Novell, invincible just a few years ago, now they need to explain to us all why they're still in business.
You arrogant Solaris elitists, and all you SCO VARs, better get a copy of SuSE or RH and start learning Linux!
Not true. In IBM's announcement of support for Linux they specifically made mention of the fact that they are supporting ALL of the major distro's to avoid favoritisms. And you clowns who keep saying "just everyone roll over and let Red Hype have all the pie" are annoying. You haven't really thought that through and are just spewing. You really don't want to think. You're happy that someone is succeeding, and that they are good at marketing, but just because a company is successful at marketing, doesn't mean they have good products. (Sounds familiar doesn't it ...aka Windows) SuSE is a very cool distribution, and they have done a good job. If someone points me to a better distribution, I will definitely check it out. Remember gang, for the price of these distributions, you can afford to buy several. Go buy one of each and then form an opinion. $50 and less for each. In fact, you can get Evalution (Lite) versions of SuSE for *FREE* for the asking. They have a single CD "lite" release that is great for building simple servers with, and just because it says "eval" - it doesn't expire or break after a certain time frame.
They moved the kernel into /boot, a logical move. /boot is a standard directory on all distributions You can boot a kernel from anywhere you want to, so if you simply must have the kernel sitting in the root directory, you can tell LILO to find it there. That will keep you Windows converts from panicing when you don't see any files sitting in the root directory. I have the same xeon dual machine running 2.2.2, and will be compiling 2.2.3 today. So quit whining, download the kernel and start compiling. ;)
I've got it running on a xeon dual processor IBM Zpro Intellistation in the lab and it looks great. SuSE includes gnome, but I haven't been able to get it to work, so I found out there's a site all SuSE users should check out: (all are mirrors of the same page) http://gnome.linuxbe.org/ http://www.tu-harburg.de/skf/Pub/ifmpc118.ifm.uni- hamburg.de/gnome.html http://ifmpc118.ifm.uni-hamburg.de/gnome.html very slow) Anyway, don't install gnome from the 6.0 distribution. Even after downloading all the latest gnome crap, I still haven't got it working, it seems to need so much add'l crap just to get it going. I wish *nix developers would learn from the Win developers that you need to just make a big tarball or archive of some kind with ALL the necessary shit in it so I can just install it and run it. Keep working fellas, you'll learn. But SuSE 6.0 is great and worth every dime! SuSE 6.0 is a major improvement over their previous releases, and is a 'must read' for any serious Linux nut. I think it's much better than Red Hype and includes several databases (Informix, Adabas, MySQL, Sybase, and several others, along with a couple of other window managers, like ICE - very simple but nice, as well as FVWM95, FVWM, and KDE. KDE is coming along nicely now, I wish the devlopers would clean up some of the file ops, like finish a working Explorer clone that has smb capability so I can dump my Win desktops completely.
SUSE = ZEUS ...
DUH! I dunno where everyone gets the effeminate "Susie" from, or Sousa? Where the hell did you come up with THAT
Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame guys!
BTW - which composer does SuSE rhyme with?