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Well, they've given out the award for show favorites here at LWCE. Click below to check out who won. One hint-some yahoos with a web site picked up an award.
Annnnddd the winners are....
Software: Red Hat 5.2
System: S.u.S.E (pronouce like the composer) Linux 6.0
Utilites: BRU/Enhanced Software Technologies
Office Automation/Personal Productivity: Applix/Applix Office
Web: geez...ok. Slashdotorg Now if only they'd given us money *grin*
MultiMedia: Loki Multimedia / Civilization
Science/Engineering: VA Research
Computers: VA Research
Peripherals: Adaptec
Projects and Organizations: O'Reilly & Associates
Killer App Award: Corel Software
Significant Achievement Award: LinuxCare
go some yahoos with a web site!@#$ :)
Way to go guys!
To which composer does this list refer? I've always said it like "sushi", but with a straight "s" instead of "sh". Never heard anyone else say it though.
SUSE=Sousa
What was this about?
Aren't they some startup who are getting ready to provied 24/7 support? What is their achievment?
I think they are referring to J. P. Sousa
so the pronunciation would be soos-uh
soos-uh, as in John Phillips Sousa, I think
doh!
I believe that the adage is "Your mind is like a PANCAKE; it only works when its open"
Straight to hell.
It's my favorite web site for gossip, old news, half truths and raging flame wars. I think LINUX Weekly News does a much better job of getting out "stuff that matters".
Which doesn't mean I consider slashdot lower than ZDNet. I just feel there is room for improvement.
FreshMeat didnt pick anything up?? surprising
I'll never understand German.
I thought Yahoo ran on FreeBSD?
It's cool Slashdot won, the others however... hmmm... (almost) all commercial software. It would be nice to see other distro's in the spotlight for once.
Ahh Funkdat. I'll be calling it sushi from now on. Congrats to the penultimate AC above for his divine inspiration. Sushi. That's even better than "Suzy".
This is the Senseless Anti-Humor Police who request you immediately cease and desist your usage of the word 'yahoos.' It is a blatant infringement on the good folk of West Virginia who coined the original term 'yaehoo' which has since been shamelessly stolen from some bunch of highly-edjumuhkated collidge stoodents for some thingy related to spiderwebs.
If you persist in your usage you will be legally obligate to come here and screw my sister. She's getting bored with me and dad.
A year from now, I would consider that an achievment, but since they literally just started, it seems odd that they are getting an award for it already.
heh.
> BTW - which composer does SuSE rhyme with?
Bono.
How about rhyming it with Konrad Zuse (ZOO-sa). Renowned early computer scientist that he was.
He built a stored program computer using surplus movie film and telephone relays before WWII. Hitler killed funding for his research during the war because he saw no reason for it. Zuse's architecture was way ahead of ENIAC, he was just using sucky slow electromechanical switches instead of vacuum tubes.
Wired calling Rob 'smug' is the pot calling the kettle black! That damned magazine is the most obnoxious I've ever read when it comes to being full of itself.
What about VMWare?
They were supposed to be at the conference. I want to know if their product is living up to the hype/promise.
--
Jason Eric Pierce
(softly)
yaaaaayy.
hurrah.
yaah.
you were looking for an excuse to use the word "penultimate" weren't you? =:)
is this also the susa-phone inventor?
What a laugh. Linuxcare and co. Hell I wish Linuxcare well but they are nothings yet. Must have hired a big stand.
I dunno if Slashdot got theirs for all the PR they
provide or out of straight honesty. Guys you are
probably the only name there that deserved its
award.
The most stunning product, IMO, was empeg's car MP3 player. Hugo Fiennes was demoing it in the Debian booth. It was more impressive than I realized. No off-the-shelf parts here. Completely custom designed from scratch. Even integrated the DSP chips for the audio equalizers on board so that you can control them from Linux.
Were voted on by the show attendees.
If you don't like an award, well, guess the throngs of people that attended are to blame.
Freshmeat wasn't at the show. The awards are for Best of Linuxworld.
They have Shayde at the Linuxworld-zine booth. He's doing show updates and freshmeat stuff
What is the difference between the "system" and "software" awards? Is this just a graceful way of saying "they're both great!"?
Beat all you children to the last post.
Congratulations! Now if only they had a spare Cray boxes to help out with! :)
Being of Germanic extraction, my impression was that S.u.S.E. wanted to be pronounced like "suse", the German word for "sweet". The American English equivalent would be somewhere between "soo-se" and "soo-su", with both sylables equally emphasized, a sharp "s" sound, and a very light touch on the final vowel.
Then again, I could be full of it.
Tchaikovsky.
If I'm not mistaken (and I probably am...) S.u.S.E. is an acronym for Schuler und Studenten Edition (Over here Students are involved in higher learning, school-kids [Schuler] aren't quite that far yet). And almost everyone I know (I live in Fuerth, the birthplace of S.u.S.E.) pronounces it lazily, like sooz-eh (the eh is like Bob and Doug McKenzie would pronounce it), or suzie.
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"It's not what you do, it's what you get caught doing..."
gnulix?
not to mention linus being on cnn fn this morning
You do of course realize that it wouldn't matter which state he picked, someone would have complained.
-- Keith
*chuckle*
is she purty?
It used hardware floating point as well - long before any other computer. His computers were electro-mechanical, but had a lot of advanced features.
Although, of course, my favourite 'first computer' must be 'Baby', the computer built just over 50 years ago here in Manchester (UK) by Turing, von Neumann etc. It stored the program in the same memory as the data, and was programmed in a vaguely similar way to a modern computer. You can find emulators and so on at http://www.computer50.org/
soos-uh, as in John Phillips Sousa, I think
doh!
AFAIK, "Sousa" or "Souza" is a Portuguese name and correctly pronounced "Soul-zuh" (but leaving out the "l" sound at the last microsecond), and "Suse" would be pronounced "Suzy". Even in German...
Americans are famous the world over for mispronouncing foreign names, but I've never heard anybody (not even an American) pronounce "Sousa" as "Suse".
is the canonical way to hyper-abbreviate congratulations in the mud world
And, who is funding these guys? I need to meet these people... That party was pretty expensive!
All I know about Adaptec is that they seem to
make overprice SCSI controllers. Surely they
didn't win an award for that so there must be
something else they do. What?
Maybe it's because after all these years they FINALLY decided to release the low-level interface specs to their SCSI cards.
Err. say what?
RH 5.2 getting an award? Huh?
I'm quite sure that this is more to do with the fact that silly people seem to believe that Red Hat is synonymous with Linux these days, up to the point that Red Hat is the *only* Linux. The media seems to want to perpetuate this myth.
But seriously, Red Hat is nowhere near as good as other distributions in terms of stability, security, and general unbloatedness. Sure, RHAD Labs are to be commeneded on some of their work, but this award seems a little odd.
I've been waiting for someone who's seen it in the flesh to describe it. It sounds great. What did you see running? NT on Linux? Is it really as simple as doing a ctrl-alt-F12 (or whatever) and the host environment appears?
I want VMWare. I don't know what I'd do with it (actually, at home I'd use it to play Stars! properly - still some bugs with Wine - without having to reboot) but it'd be fun. Oh, and useful too. I've mentioned it to my boss, and I think he likes the idea. A hosted Solaris/Intel environment would be justifiable, and if an extra Linux setup appeared who would notice, other than the people around me who might get confused by Window Maker and KDE...
-StE ishamael@erroneous.demon.co.uk
Are you really going to stand behind your statement that Red Hat is less secure than other Linux distributions? Do you have evidence? Did you read the LWN feature on security patches a week or so ago?
VmWare was slick. The good/bad thing is that it is running a full version of the os - i.e. a license is needed for NT or 95 -
Gee, I guess a version of linux for simple people to play games on like Redhat is better than slackware........O-K
Agreed
this german would think americans that are willing to be correct should try 'zuh-zeh'. But since you never care anyway, just carry on.
My German's not that great either, but I think "suse" is more properly "zoozah", since both s's should be pronouced sort of like z's. Think of words like sieben and sammeln.
You're right on the 'z' sound (in 's' followed by a vowel). But I disagree that the final "e" in "Suse" should sound "ah". It's more like the middle "e" in "Mercedes".
To all fellow pronunciation hairsplitters, please avoid posting pseudo-"phonetic" stuff, rather use sounds in standard words which one can look up in a talking dictionary.
Truth is though, I can't think of a German word (non English derived) that starts with "su"... hrm... But even the English derived ones like "super" are pronounced with a z sound.
"Sumpf" (swamp), pronounced "zoomf".
Keep up the good work, the vast majority of the linux community appreciates what you do!
Congrats guys! If it weren't for you, I might get some work done.:)
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Well, I only know an extremely small amount of German, but AFAIK "suse" would be pronounced "soo-zah" in German (trailing e's have an "ah" or "uh" sort of sound, not "ee").
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Konkratulations frrom a rregoular rreader in Germany. Jawohl, you have earned it; stay nerdish and stay independent, and I'd be happy to recommend your site to all my friends
Besides, did you TOO receive high money offers for your domain/site? If not, what about a nice patent on the "slashdot effect"?
Why didn't Beowulf win anything?
Congrats to Yahoo!^H^H^H^H^H^Hyouse guys.
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Actually "yahoos" was a term coined by Jonathan Swift in "Gulliver's Travels" - they were a primitive, savage, and wholly stupid race (in other words, humans), driven by their lusts and base needs and desires.
Funny how that's spilled into a popular Web service, isn't it?
Kyt - congrats, boys, I'm proud of you. Cookies all 'round.
"I'd like to make a promise and I'd like to make a vow, that when I've got something to say, sir, I'm gonna say it now
the yahoos w/ a website. Kudos to the /. team. You guys do give back to the community.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
That'd be Sousa.
--Phil (It wasn't for nothing that I played in marching bands for severl years.)
355/113 -- Not the famous irrational number PI, but an incredible simulation!
The most offensive is the "killerapp award" going to Corel's vaporware. What about Gimp, Samba, KDE, Gnome, Apache, Lyx, Wine? Every single one is more important than Corel's contribution. But I guess free software hackers didn't pay for expensive floor space.
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Too bad /. can't enforce a 10 minute delay between the time an individual first reads an article and the time they can post a response to it. Maybe that'd get rid of some of the knee-jerk AC postings. :-)
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Mainframe/UNIX Bit Twiddler and long time Windows/Linux Hobbyist.
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
...Rob is justified in being a little smug. IMSNShO.
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Mainframe/UNIX Bit Twiddler and long time Windows/Linux Hobbyist.
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
Since the s's are not double-s's, they are pronounced kind of harsh, like a z, but not quite that harsh.
I like to say SuSe, it's fun.
Suuuuuuuuuuzeh!
Run a pencil-and-paper RPG campaign with your far-off friends: Gametable!
Obviously, Ippolitov-Ivanov.
"Be nice, veer left, and never stop thinking" Iain Banks - Walking On Glass
> BTW - which composer does SuSE rhyme with?
:P
Brahms.
"Be nice, veer left, and never stop thinking" Iain Banks - Walking On Glass
Sousa. Known for lotsa marches. Of course, I can't remember any in particular at the moment... :)
- Virgil
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The Future: Some assembly required; batteries not included.
Cool! /. kicks major tail, and this goes to show, some people notice! Keep it up, Rob & Crew!
This deserves a triple-attaboy and a pat on the back.
Next time you are in DFW, I'll buy you a beer to celebrate.
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Therefore he should have used Puerto Rico or Guam.
;-)
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Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.
"Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, Memento Mori
In my book, offering 24/7 Linux support is
an achievement.
Consider, for instance: we have a client with
ten thousand systems in the field who asked us
to recommend their next operating system. One
big issue in recommending Linux is whether they
can find (hopefully platinum level) 24/7 support from any
source whatsoever.
Originally the answer was "er...not exactly,
although there are some ways to get
Linux support in some form." (This client
builds their own rack-mount PC's, so it wouldn't
help to point to PC vendors that offer support;
that helps only if you buy that particular PC.)
(It helps to show that Microsoft doesn't offer
platinum-quality support, but it doesn't help
much; we want positives.)
Now, however, we can point to
LinuxCare as an example of big time support,
and have one less roadblock to recommending
Linux to clients like that.
The net effect will be to vastly increase
the opportunity for corporations to use
Linux. That's an achievement for the Linux
community, and it's quite
okay that LinuxCare will be making money in
the process. That's what business is about.
Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
It's also the case that a good fraction of awards presented to anyone for anything in any field are debatable. :-) One example was the Nobel Prize for Medicine last year, for the discovery of prions, which was controversial because the existence of prions is still under debate in some quarters.
But I figure it's in good grace to cheer anyway; no harm has been done even given your point.
I do hope that they do a good job, giving Linux support a good name rather than a bad name. We shall see about that. If they screw up, presumably they'll face quick competition.
Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
The previous comments about Sousa seem to have confused folks, since there are continuing questions, so I thought it was worth answering again.
Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
While waiting in the line for Linus' keynote speach, Rob Malda came up to me and started schmoozing. It turns out that not only was Rob of sexual interest to both RMS and ESR, but he was also wearing a little schoolgirl outfit and sporting breasts. I think we know the real reason /. won, don't you.
Of course, it's possible that I was talking to Mae Ling Mak wearing Rob's badge instead.
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A plethora of kudos and congratulatory well-wishes to Rob, Jeff, Nate & the rest of BSI/the Slashdot-posting crew. You guys are awesome... good job!!
:)'s,
Anneke
"Real Women Use Linux"
--Anneke
"Real Women Use Linux"
S.u.S.E. ryhmes with who? Maybe my mind is just blank at the moment.
Now that you guys are getting semi-famous and could maybe even get some of that Wall Street Internet frenzy money, is some_yahoos_with_a_web_site.com still available?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Pronounced "Suzy" as in:
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Much cooler than John Phillip...
Funny, whenever I looked at the name I always thought "Seuss" like Dr. Seuss. Of course I know who Sousa is but I didn't put together "Seuss" and "composer"....... hmm. :)
Man, happy as I was to see /. get it's rightfull recognition, in the software department, I would've loved to see VmWare (at the LinuxCare booth) get recognized. That was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen.
And you get the award for the stupidest post in this thread!
Congratulations, thanks for playing!
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Say the Slashdot URL out loud... aytch tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot dot org... get it?
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You guys rock nads. Really, I mean that. Without slashdot, I'd go out of my head on slow days at work...
-- Minds are like parachutes... they work best when open.
Took me a second...
-- Minds are like parachutes... they work best when open.
(not really spelled like that :-) )
yep... that was him. he hated french horns too, I can tell you... gave all the cool parts to the saxes and tried to kill us with offbeats!
ok. slight tangent.
Lea
... which some of us poor horn players remember as "the march that wouldn't die," (pronounced "ow my lips hurt!") placing only slightly ahead of "pomp and circumstance" (pronounced "pomp and barf")
maybe we should work on the general tenor of conversation. the direct attack is not appreciated... well, unless you are trolling, in which case... :-)
:-)
impress those spying MS employees too
Lea
Some yahoos know where its at... Congrats to them!
No wonder Wired News calls you "Smug" in their headline story, Rob.
... okay... congrats. (;
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Zontar
(somewhere in tenn.)
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Well- actually we have been around for about 8 months (customers include the Government of the Netherlands and Gap Inc.) and I have been involved with Linux for about 4.5 years when I founded the Bay Area Linux Users Group. (LUG PLUG) We meet in San Francisco Chinatown on the 3rd Tuesday of each month (7:00 PM) at the Four Seas banquet room (731 Grant St.) for dinner and meeting. So far- over 7200 Linux Uberpersons served which works out to about 24000 eagerly! (now THAT deserves an award) But I digress...
:)
The Linuxcare founders and I folded our consulting businesses into Linuxcare... Essentially, we got sick and tired of trying to deploy Linux solutions in corporations only to get hit with the inevitable "well, who's going to support it?" questions from the NT/Solaris/Netware camps. So- now we're back with a vengeance with 24x7 SLA (service level agreement) based call center support, a boatload of additional offerings (training, lab, cert, etc.), a kick ass website and (currently) about 30 employees, all engineers- even our office manager is a Linux user/tech. Linuxcare has three primary goals. Provide better service then ANY other service organization regardless of platform or distribution, make money doing it (support our staff/reward investors) and (last but NOT least) support the Open Source community (sponsor development, provide resources, buy the beer, show up with bail) because (like any organic system) we are all responsible for it's health.
The whole idea was to lay low- work the bugs out of our systems (phone, incident tracking systems, office apps - most of which are Open Source all are Linux based) and launch the company at LinuxWorld. For what it's worth- we think the opportunity to do what we dig for a living is a tremendous responsibility. If you think we are screwing up I encourage you to email me at aftyde@linuxcare.com. I also encourage anyone who thinks linux is lacking in something to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I think we got the award because we spent our retirement accounts on the party...
Congrats, /.!
Anyone wanna fill me in on what this is?
This sig is false.
My German's not that great either, but I think "suse" is more properly "zoozah", since both s's should be pronouced sort of like z's. Think of words like sieben and sammeln. Truth is though, I can't think of a German word (non English derived) that starts with "su"... hrm... But even the English derived ones like "super" are pronounced with a z sound. But the, there's words like spass. Anyways... just to through some more confusion into the circle...
You guys make us proud! :P
Keep it up!
Actualy, in this instance, Linus was wrong. (GASP!)
It is pronounced Soo-sa.
If you are in the US or Canada, you can call 1-888-875-4689 and here it yourself. (This is Suse's support line in Oakland CA.)
--Jason Bell
Faster than the light of speed!
Uh, exactly. I get sick of tappity-tapping in code, I browse Slashdot. Makes all of my woes go away!
BTW, it's 'Minds are like Parachutes, they work poorly with lots of holes in them'
...suckling from the sweet amnion of life...
He was a marching band director. The pronounciation, I think, is almost exactly the same, not a rhyme.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Looks like all those long-haired linux bozos know a good thing when they see it. Congrats /. !!
;)
And the crowd roars
four-more-years!!
four-more-years!!
-earl
Sousa. John Philip Sousa. Wrote marching-band music, such as the "Liberty Bell March", which you might know better as the theme music for "Monty Python's Flying Circus".
Weblogging Considered Harmful:
Hey now. Coal from West Virginia gives electricity to the whole United States, and we have some of the most beautiful and accessible landscapes in the world. There are rednecks everywhere, and I don't know anyone that says 'yaehoo' here. Please know what you're talking about before you blatantly bash Appalachia.
So he shouldn't have picked a state at all, knowing any one would have offended someone.
Well, if you wanna be really exact it's
'Sue-zeh'
emphasis on the first syllable, the 'e' like in 'let'. At least that's how it's pronounced in German...
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
Some less polite (read "wimpy excuses for band nerds") people know it as "pompous circumcision". But not I, because I have lips of steel.
But then again, I could be wrong.
(stands up in a small room of scraggly hackers) Hi. My name's Jason. I'm a /. junkie.
I'm glad, at least, that I'm a junkie of a LinuxWorld award-winning site.
What does S.u.S.E. stand for anyway? I always pronounced it soose
Rob, et. al. - how did you decide on Slashdot as a name? (as opposed to, say, slashtilde or slashdotdot or root)
Jason Dufair
"Those who know don't have the words to tell
Jason Dufair
"Those who know don't have the words to tell
and the ones with the words don't know too w
and the non-linux community toooo...
(werking on that non-linux bit though =-)> )
Check out my site at www.jonsnews.com
The legal department at yahoo.com wishes to notify you that your use of the exlamation "yahoo!" when you are joyous or excited appears to be a dilution of our trademark, and we hereby demand that you cease and desist...
:-)
Oh, forget it. Thought it was funny.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
I wouldn't say you exactly full of it, but a bit off...The German word for 'sweet' is suess...which would be pronounced different than 'SuSE' would be in German or even 'suesse'(I'll spare the German lesson here on why that is) ..Hmm a good American equivalent...hmm, try 'zoo-zuh' ..very light on the z, less fricative than usual and the second syllable is short and unstressed..(isn't the phoenetic alphabet supposed to resolve these questions..*snicker*) However, I like your version better than 'suzy'..that drives me up a wall for some reason...
S.u.S.E = Systems und Software Entwicklung, If I remember it correctly. Translated from German to English - System and Software Development.
And web site awards
Sousa
Congratulations, guys. You deserve it! Keep it up.
Congratulations to O'Reilly & Associates on their award. I am a huge fan of their books and use them regularly as references. Congrats to you, too, Slashdot!
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.
Buslogic has supported linux since the beginning. I remember when I downloaded the first linux buslogic driver Leonard Zubkoff wrote for my BT747 EISA SCSI-2 card in a (fast at the time) 486-66. Since then mylex/buslogic have been great at support for all their cards, VA research sells mylex RAID controlers with their servers. They will answer linux tech support questions and list linux on the box for their cards.
Adaptec on the other hand gave linux developers the cold shoulder for years! Now that they've finally seen that there is lots of money in the linux serer market, they release specs. They should get an award for "Most linux hostile hardware company", along with ATI.
Their cards sucks and are overpriced, too!
Well, being that it's a German company, that's where the sooseh (rhymes with Sousa) comes from, since that's how you would pronounce "Suse" in German.
Too bad there isn't a punctuation mark for "congradulations", i want a subject with no actual letters in it.
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John Phillip Sousa. Guess which word of his name they mean.... ;)
American composer, wrote lots of marches. Oddly enough, the Monty Python Theme is a slightly speeded up version of his "Liberty Bell March." Or is it "Liberty March?" I forget.
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Okay, I got Linux installed. So where's the free beer everyone keeps talking about??
They sort of deflate the "We can't use Linux at our MetaInterConglomerate, LTD because someone like us needs 24/7 tech support."
Okay, I got Linux installed. So where's the free beer everyone keeps talking about??
Weren't you the guys who'd rather B.S. than take my money and give me my t-shirt so I could get out of there?
Congratulations! It's time the real guys win!
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Congratulations, you guys deserve it.
Congratulations! :) Maybe next year they'll give you the big cash award...
Shouldn't that be YAHOO?
"...Is this world not a call I can screen out" --
Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame guys!
BTW - which composer does SuSE rhyme with?
SUSE = ZEUS ...
DUH! I dunno where everyone gets the effeminate "Susie" from, or Sousa? Where the hell did you come up with THAT
Our personal version (PE) wes bundled with the Red Hat 5.0/5.1 distributions as well as the Caldera 1.2+ distributions. Since Red Hat's move to Open Source only, BRU is available on the applications CD in a 30 day demo form.
Of course, I could go on, but you can find out more from our website - http://www.estinc.com/
And a big THANKS to all of the LinuxWorld visitors that voted and selected BRU as their favorite utility.
Tim Jones BRUmeister - the keeper of the BRU
Way to go...
Well, now that Iv'e stolen another few hours worth of my employers time reading (the award-winning) slashdot, mabye I should actually get some work done.
Naaaahhh...
John.