I know I'm going to get slandered as a racist for this.
India is rife with corruption and TONS of bureaucracy in multiple languages (fill this out in Hindi, please fill this out in Gujarat, this in Punjabi, wait thirty years for a response, thank you, come again).
If India was such a wonderful hotbed of amazing people, it wouldn't have such a problem with collapsing buildings and starvation.
A lot of Indians are quite knowledgeable and cool, and more power to them. I don't have this strange idea that Indians are good for nothing but convenience stores and selling incredibly cheap knock-off fall-apart things.
I **DO**, however, have a problem with that kind of bureaucracy getting involved with, and screwing up, what amounts to a giant ballistic missile, especially if they use fissile materials. Haree Jamset Ram Singh O-gasket merchants and hair oil, Inc. might have the lowest price on a bid for technology, but what's to stop them from passing off a gasket from a Ford Pinto as same? In a bureaucracy and "very cheap, sir, very cheap" emphasis, NOTHING. And when high explosives are involved, it makes me very nervous.
Again: there is nothing to say that Gujarati buildings COULDN'T have withstood earthquakes: but due to *ahem* cost-cutting and corruption and people on the take, the buildings were slapped together as cheap as possible, risking human lives. This should not be allowed with respect to Space.
the technical competence is not in question, what's being questioned is the maturity involved in a technical decision.
"Let's switch to *BSD servers tomorrow!" might be a great decision technology-wise, but the guy who's been around the block more knows to ask other questions, like "OK, that being the case, if Mike gets hit by a truck tomorrow, how fast can we get another FreeBSD guy vs another Microsoft NT admin? How do we figure out whether a consultant claiming to know FreeBSD actually has a clue? There's no certification path, there's no paper to back this up, nothing. How much is it going to cost with respect to TCO rather than just the cost of buying the software?"
I learned eventually that sometimes the value of a statement isn't made just on its TECHNICAL merits alone.
But at least I can spell.
RE: Rose city crew have all but driven the boneheads underground.. the reason people associate Skinheads with racsim IS because of people LIKE you
I dunno - the last big skinhead rally out in Germany wasn't Sharpies demanding a caring communist state. It was boneheads demanding the immediate death of all migrants. And by the way according to police organisations Portland is the bonehead capitol of North America.
RE: who keep throwing that shit out there and media who refuse to do any responsible reporting, and of course when you only report about the boneheads
Listen, I'm originally from England, and unfortunately the term "skinhead" has come to be a pejorative term for "bonehead" because of the way things are going. I sympathise with you totally, being both Goth and Geek and lumped in with Marilyn Mansonites and Urkels respectively. But take my original comment in the spirit it was uttered - in response to some psycho who doesn't realise that Hitler died with a bullet through the brain.
RE: Well you go on thinking that and I'll just go on perpetuating that geeks are high water tight pants wearing, glasses with tape around the middle, pocket protecting people that can't get girls like I saw with Urkel.. or because I caught revenge of the nerds one night.. and therefore it must be true!
Keep in mind that for every stereotype there is sadly enough evidence to support it to keep it going.
Keep in mind that the Akwesassne reserve straddles New York state and Quebec. No border patrol, no customs, anything, which is why people smuggle guns, cigarettes, people etc. through there.
If you're in Germany or England or Jerry Springer or Portland, and a bunch of shaven headed bootclad yoofs come down the road, chances aren't that they're S.H.A.R.Pies.
I happen to be somewhat familiar with how it went from skinhead to bonehead; but the fact that it has means you mourn it and move on. The swastika was a sun symbol before it was corrupted by the Nazis: but you don't see me tattooing it on my forehead and then whining that no, it isn't Nazi, do some research, check out India, whine rant whine.
If skinheadism is mostly SHARPs, with a few bad seeds thrown in, then why does 99% of the human race associate skinheads with fascism? Could it possibly be that the old skinheads died out and the ones that remain are the Zundelites?
RE: And what's this about no sound drivers? When was the last time you actually used a FreeBSD machine?
A while back - I tried installing it on my machine. It didn't recognise the sound card, and I couldn't get any of its sound drivers to work. And again, my complaint isn't about how godlike FreeBSD is or isn't - I'm talking about degree of available help for those of us who, as some charming troll mentioned somewhere else in this thread, are c0ckg0bblers not 3l337 d00dz or whatever, and wouldn't know ws023d/24 from/dev/hdc from C:\
No matter how good you are at something, your competencies scale way down if you sidestep to an unfamiliar platform - hence it's pretty key to try and get support going, yeah?
Your argument may very well be "well, in that case run Linux". There's nothing to say that I don't want to run a pure BSD system, but want to enjoy my sound card as well. I have a laptop, which most variants of Linux have problems with, even, and the "generic Soundblaster driver" doesn't work.
I realise you're making a specific point response to something I've said, and what you say is TOTALLY valid. But as a developer and enthusiast, I like something I can run on a lot of different machines, and which I can play around with, yeah?
Well, I look at it this way. I can walk into any bookstore and get an O'Reilly book detailing how to write drivers for Linux, another explaining Linux internals in detail, yet more describing for newbies how to install same. There are wonderful distributions like Debian and (well, at least when they can make a release that allows you to get the kernel to compile) RedHat, etc etc etc.
On the daemon front, I've seen books available by mail, none in the bookstores. There's certainly a lot less in terms of choice. And you can forget finding sound drivers, or the like. What you do get is the suggestion to take the drivers from the Linux people and port them yourself. Of course you can do that, because you're a g0d l337 ha>0r d00d, right? Otherwise you'd be running Windows.
OK, sure, it's free if you want to give your stuff away. But what about a mid-sized shop that wants to do closed source stuff for Linux? Some struggling startup that can't afford $2G per developer?
Yeah get that. Delphi, which as we know is the most popular programming language out there, with C++, C, Perl, Java and Visual Basic far behind the outstanding market share lead Delphi enjoys, provided for LINUX, which as we know is the absolute market share leader bar none in operating systems...
What is this, a rehash of the old joke "How much is lemonade?" "$5,000 a glass" "You won't sell much at that price" "I only need to sell one"?
Or did the Borland people see that goatse.cx guy here so often on Slashdot that it gave them ideas as to what the average Linux customer wants to be like?
The Skinny Puppy/FLA continuum had HEAVY use of sampling in the early 80s, but I agree with Tackhead's more probable influence samplingwise outside of pure Industrial.
The members of Tackhead managed to achieve what Bill Leeb of FLA has been trying to - critical acclaim in more than one genre of music.
The weak, anemic, bland pap that "Delerium" is producing now does nothing but shame his accomplishments in industrial music. And on a Canadian government artistic grant no less, the kiss of death for any project and a certification of bush-league status.
I used to use Tactical Neural Implant, which is the title of a phenomenal Front Line Assembly album.
But I was tired of it being shortened to Tac or TNI, and out of all fairness, the nick was far too long.
I love blue. Blue hair, blue lamp inside the computer, and not a powder or pastel blue - a vibrant deep electric blue. And of course, a daemon reference for Unix. Someone else was called Bluedemon (apparently he modelled the nick after a Santo-era Mexican wrestler with the name) so I was offered BlueDemon2 or whatever. I added the X (another *nix reference).
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You might want to refrain from making racist statements as part of your post.
It isn't "J*p Anime" any more than Barbara Streisand is a "k*** singer" or Ray Carruth is "that n***** football player."
Cause it would involve them stopping the smoking of pot, putting the ferret back in the cage, turning off the Dave Matthews/Grateful Dead/Phish CD and learning something about science.
It would also involve these people getting out and doing something productive, rather than whining at people who do.
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Don't laugh...
Some sick bastard actually came out with a "Challenger" firework that same year. Looked like the Space Shuttle. You lit it, it took off, and then exploded.
Well, look on the bright side. It means that there's AT LEAST 70 years to go until "Mandy" by Barry Manilow becomes in the public domain, and hordes of people get permission to cover it, re-score it, techno it, whatever.
If you're ever stuck in a bathroom stall that's "empty" you'll have to severely double check the piece of scrap paper you use... you might be tossing/flushing your laptop by mistake.
What a concept.
Imagine sending THAT back to tech support for repair: "Reason for repair:" Euhh..... "Curry Related Emergency?"
This "battery operated" device is actually a "Copper Top" - another case of product placement interfering with good science. THANKS, DURACELL.
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Thanks. You put it more succinctly than I ever could. I'm not necessarily blaming them - it just HAPPENS that PCs have more margin. My experience has been, none of these people truly realise that the salespeople push whatever they'll make money on.
RE: Well, it may be fine for you as a salesperson, but what does the customer do about the typical "taillight warranty" on PC's?
"Have you thought about buying our extended warranty program, sir?"
Once again, consider that there might be 15 people in the computer part of the store, with three people working there on staff. Management expect people to be greeted within two minutes, and out the door oversold by several thousand dollars (and buy the warranty, too) within 15. Trying to explain to the typical mouth-breathing customer, who might actually have some difficulty understanding the rules to a tractor pull, might not have the time, inclination, or whatever to be told that if they buy this higher priced Mac RIGHT NOW, and then go somewhere online and buy some software and a copy of Windows or an addon board for anywhere between three and five hundred MORE dollars, then they can expand their REALLY limited choices of software in the store to anything else there, provided they have the money and don't mind the performance hit.
1) Telling the customer to buy ANYTHING somewhere else will get you reprimanded, at least.
2) Or you could just buy the BigCommission Wintel box, and "borrow" your "work" software and have your son get some "free" software from his "friends".
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RE: The same way you find out if an NT consultant or Cisco consultant has a clue. INTERVIEW them.
And if I don't know Cisco and/or NT? At least with NT I have Microsoft's assurance the person knows their stuff.
RE: I think hordes of paper MCSE's have proven that having a certification is not the same as knowing what you're doing.
Agreed. But it's better than a complete unknown, in terms of corporatethink.
I know I'm going to get slandered as a racist for this.
India is rife with corruption and TONS of bureaucracy in multiple languages (fill this out in Hindi, please fill this out in Gujarat, this in Punjabi, wait thirty years for a response, thank you, come again).
If India was such a wonderful hotbed of amazing people, it wouldn't have such a problem with collapsing buildings and starvation.
A lot of Indians are quite knowledgeable and cool, and more power to them. I don't have this strange idea that Indians are good for nothing but convenience stores and selling incredibly cheap knock-off fall-apart things.
I **DO**, however, have a problem with that kind of bureaucracy getting involved with, and screwing up, what amounts to a giant ballistic missile, especially if they use fissile materials. Haree Jamset Ram Singh O-gasket merchants and hair oil, Inc. might have the lowest price on a bid for technology, but what's to stop them from passing off a gasket from a Ford Pinto as same? In a bureaucracy and "very cheap, sir, very cheap" emphasis, NOTHING. And when high explosives are involved, it makes me very nervous.
Again: there is nothing to say that Gujarati buildings COULDN'T have withstood earthquakes: but due to *ahem* cost-cutting and corruption and people on the take, the buildings were slapped together as cheap as possible, risking human lives. This should not be allowed with respect to Space.
the technical competence is not in question, what's being questioned is the maturity involved in a technical decision.
"Let's switch to *BSD servers tomorrow!" might be a great decision technology-wise, but the guy who's been around the block more knows to ask other questions, like "OK, that being the case, if Mike gets hit by a truck tomorrow, how fast can we get another FreeBSD guy vs another Microsoft NT admin? How do we figure out whether a consultant claiming to know FreeBSD actually has a clue? There's no certification path, there's no paper to back this up, nothing. How much is it going to cost with respect to TCO rather than just the cost of buying the software?"
I learned eventually that sometimes the value of a statement isn't made just on its TECHNICAL merits alone.
RE: your an idiot, I am in Portland!
But at least I can spell. RE: Rose city crew have all but driven the boneheads underground.. the reason people associate Skinheads with racsim IS because of people LIKE you
I dunno - the last big skinhead rally out in Germany wasn't Sharpies demanding a caring communist state. It was boneheads demanding the immediate death of all migrants. And by the way according to police organisations Portland is the bonehead capitol of North America.
RE: who keep throwing that shit out there and media who refuse to do any responsible reporting, and of course when you only report about the boneheads
Listen, I'm originally from England, and unfortunately the term "skinhead" has come to be a pejorative term for "bonehead" because of the way things are going. I sympathise with you totally, being both Goth and Geek and lumped in with Marilyn Mansonites and Urkels respectively. But take my original comment in the spirit it was uttered - in response to some psycho who doesn't realise that Hitler died with a bullet through the brain.
RE: Well you go on thinking that and I'll just go on perpetuating that geeks are high water tight pants wearing, glasses with tape around the middle, pocket protecting people that can't get girls like I saw with Urkel.. or because I caught revenge of the nerds one night.. and therefore it must be true!
Keep in mind that for every stereotype there is sadly enough evidence to support it to keep it going.
Keep in mind that the Akwesassne reserve straddles New York state and Quebec. No border patrol, no customs, anything, which is why people smuggle guns, cigarettes, people etc. through there.
Oh shut up.
If you're in Germany or England or Jerry Springer or Portland, and a bunch of shaven headed bootclad yoofs come down the road, chances aren't that they're S.H.A.R.Pies.
I happen to be somewhat familiar with how it went from skinhead to bonehead; but the fact that it has means you mourn it and move on. The swastika was a sun symbol before it was corrupted by the Nazis: but you don't see me tattooing it on my forehead and then whining that no, it isn't Nazi, do some research, check out India, whine rant whine.
If skinheadism is mostly SHARPs, with a few bad seeds thrown in, then why does 99% of the human race associate skinheads with fascism? Could it possibly be that the old skinheads died out and the ones that remain are the Zundelites?
Hey, can you explain something to me? How is it possible to operate a computer without opposable thumbs?
It must hurt like the dickens to use one, given how your knuckles must be all dragged up and torn.
Always remember: skinheads have more hair than brains.
RE: And what's this about no sound drivers? When was the last time you actually used a FreeBSD machine?
/dev/hdc from C:\
A while back - I tried installing it on my machine. It didn't recognise the sound card, and I couldn't get any of its sound drivers to work. And again, my complaint isn't about how godlike FreeBSD is or isn't - I'm talking about degree of available help for those of us who, as some charming troll mentioned somewhere else in this thread, are c0ckg0bblers not 3l337 d00dz or whatever, and wouldn't know ws023d/24 from
No matter how good you are at something, your competencies scale way down if you sidestep to an unfamiliar platform - hence it's pretty key to try and get support going, yeah?
I'm not running a server.
Your argument may very well be "well, in that case run Linux". There's nothing to say that I don't want to run a pure BSD system, but want to enjoy my sound card as well. I have a laptop, which most variants of Linux have problems with, even, and the "generic Soundblaster driver" doesn't work.
I realise you're making a specific point response to something I've said, and what you say is TOTALLY valid. But as a developer and enthusiast, I like something I can run on a lot of different machines, and which I can play around with, yeah?
Well, I look at it this way. I can walk into any bookstore and get an O'Reilly book detailing how to write drivers for Linux, another explaining Linux internals in detail, yet more describing for newbies how to install same. There are wonderful distributions like Debian and (well, at least when they can make a release that allows you to get the kernel to compile) RedHat, etc etc etc.
On the daemon front, I've seen books available by mail, none in the bookstores. There's certainly a lot less in terms of choice. And you can forget finding sound drivers, or the like. What you do get is the suggestion to take the drivers from the Linux people and port them yourself. Of course you can do that, because you're a g0d l337 ha>0r d00d, right? Otherwise you'd be running Windows.
OK now tag on rent, plus utilities, plus hardware, server space, etc. Then say every developer's station is going to go up $2G.
I can see the wheels spinning: "Or I can buy Visual C++ for less than $500 a head, and sell my product to a much larger market, ensuring my survival."
OK, sure, it's free if you want to give your stuff away. But what about a mid-sized shop that wants to do closed source stuff for Linux? Some struggling startup that can't afford $2G per developer?
Yeah get that. Delphi, which as we know is the most popular programming language out there, with C++, C, Perl, Java and Visual Basic far behind the outstanding market share lead Delphi enjoys, provided for LINUX, which as we know is the absolute market share leader bar none in operating systems...
What is this, a rehash of the old joke "How much is lemonade?" "$5,000 a glass" "You won't sell much at that price" "I only need to sell one"?
Or did the Borland people see that goatse.cx guy here so often on Slashdot that it gave them ideas as to what the average Linux customer wants to be like?
The Skinny Puppy/FLA continuum had HEAVY use of sampling in the early 80s, but I agree with Tackhead's more probable influence samplingwise outside of pure Industrial.
The members of Tackhead managed to achieve what Bill Leeb of FLA has been trying to - critical acclaim in more than one genre of music.
The weak, anemic, bland pap that "Delerium" is producing now does nothing but shame his accomplishments in industrial music. And on a Canadian government artistic grant no less, the kiss of death for any project and a certification of bush-league status.
I used to use Tactical Neural Implant, which is the title of a phenomenal Front Line Assembly album.
But I was tired of it being shortened to Tac or TNI, and out of all fairness, the nick was far too long.
I love blue. Blue hair, blue lamp inside the computer, and not a powder or pastel blue - a vibrant deep electric blue. And of course, a daemon reference for Unix. Someone else was called Bluedemon (apparently he modelled the nick after a Santo-era Mexican wrestler with the name) so I was offered BlueDemon2 or whatever. I added the X (another *nix reference).
You might want to refrain from making racist statements as part of your post.
It isn't "J*p Anime" any more than Barbara Streisand is a "k*** singer" or Ray Carruth is "that n***** football player."
Some decorum, please.
Cause it would involve them stopping the smoking of pot, putting the ferret back in the cage, turning off the Dave Matthews/Grateful Dead/Phish CD and learning something about science.
It would also involve these people getting out and doing something productive, rather than whining at people who do.
Don't laugh...
Some sick bastard actually came out with a "Challenger" firework that same year. Looked like the Space Shuttle. You lit it, it took off, and then exploded.
Sick.
Sick sick sick.
Well, look on the bright side. It means that there's AT LEAST 70 years to go until "Mandy" by Barry Manilow becomes in the public domain, and hordes of people get permission to cover it, re-score it, techno it, whatever.
I read "Linux Internals".
There were clear publishing and printing errors in that book, which made me question the validity of the information therein.
I forwarded my concerns about this to the publisher, who said nothing.
Yes.
Move to America.
There's little work in Canada - it's underpaid, overtaxed, you have to pay all the EI benefits you'll never see, etc.
If you're ever stuck in a bathroom stall that's "empty" you'll have to severely double check the piece of scrap paper you use... you might be tossing/flushing your laptop by mistake.
What a concept.
Imagine sending THAT back to tech support for repair: "Reason for repair:" Euhh..... "Curry Related Emergency?"
This "battery operated" device is actually a "Copper Top" - another case of product placement interfering with good science. THANKS, DURACELL.
Thanks. You put it more succinctly than I ever could. I'm not necessarily blaming them - it just HAPPENS that PCs have more margin. My experience has been, none of these people truly realise that the salespeople push whatever they'll make money on.
RE: Well, it may be fine for you as a salesperson, but what does the customer do about the typical "taillight warranty" on PC's?
"Have you thought about buying our extended warranty program, sir?"
Once again, consider that there might be 15 people in the computer part of the store, with three people working there on staff. Management expect people to be greeted within two minutes, and out the door oversold by several thousand dollars (and buy the warranty, too) within 15. Trying to explain to the typical mouth-breathing customer, who might actually have some difficulty understanding the rules to a tractor pull, might not have the time, inclination, or whatever to be told that if they buy this higher priced Mac RIGHT NOW, and then go somewhere online and buy some software and a copy of Windows or an addon board for anywhere between three and five hundred MORE dollars, then they can expand their REALLY limited choices of software in the store to anything else there, provided they have the money and don't mind the performance hit.
1) Telling the customer to buy ANYTHING somewhere else will get you reprimanded, at least.
2) Or you could just buy the BigCommission Wintel box, and "borrow" your "work" software and have your son get some "free" software from his "friends".