The dose of reality is that you have a friend who is sexually interested in children. He should get help. I know in this permissive age we seem to think everything's OK, but children do NOT have the same headspace as adults, and the taboo against exploiting children exists for a reason. Ask anyone dealing with the childhood trauma of abuse.
Child pornography is used to excite people who have an interest in molesting children. I refuse to use the term "pedophile" because that means "lover of children" and people who have TRUE love of children do not want to use them for their own gratification nor exploit them.
Child pornography is also used by abusers to lure children into performing certain acts. The rationale is "See, it's OK. Look at these pictures. These kids are doing it too."
Go read up on the issue, like I did (check out Andrew Vachss' web site, the Zero) and it'll become clear as to why every effort MUST be made to stamp out child pr0n. It is NOT an "alternative lifestyle" (there are not two consenting adults), it is NOT something cool or remotely healthy. Yes, call the cops. Because wherever that guy got those JPGs or whatever from, there are some little girls and boys being abused.
I don't know if it's ever occurred to you, but kiddie porn is actually evidence of a crime. In order to get kiddie porn you have to do something to a kiddie, so encouraging the production of same is encouraging the exploitation of children.
And it turns out that people who do exploit children use kiddie porn to lure these kids into doing things the abuser wants: "See, these kids are doing it too. It's normal. It's OK."
I realise that there are some people out there that believe that there should be no restrictions on speech - but there are exceptions, especially in such a case as this, where it can be PROVEN that people are harmed in the creation and use thereof.
An excellent response! Thank you for making some very insightful points which have certainly increased my interest in this particular endeavor.
I agree with you that browsing data in 3d is a cool idea. My question is whether or not you gain anything by having the OS do the same. I guess the screenshot of the "dominoes" cluttered everywhere with text seemed too confusing to me and therefore distracted me from your book metaphor, which I like. I guess having "folders" closest to you that are more recent and those further away less recent, but mapped out in 2D space according to function is one application. Your pointer metaphor is another cool idea! But I think it'd be a sharper mind than mine to implement it - I know with my limited attempts at running 3D applications how frustrating dealing with 3d in a flat plane (monitor) can be...
With processing power and increases in technology leaping forward every few months, I can see why people would undertake VERY tricky feats that just seemed too difficult a few years ago - like voice control and voice dictation rather than using a keyboard. I'm not saying, and never have, that computing really reached its zenith with vi in a CLI environment, and everything else is "eye candy".
Marshall McLuhan once said that "the medium is the message" - and astute people can figure out the social effects (message) of a given technology (medium). I'm looking FORWARD to seeing what comes out of these kinds of projects - because you're right. I am trying to wonder what's going to come from this. I guess I'm just too dumb to see where this is going and hope that the more enlightened amongst us can give me some additional insight.
Well, I can certainly understand this criticism. And I have ZERO problems whatsoever with the idea of new apps where 3d visualisation is a great idea. There are PRESENT applications where 3d visualisation is a great idea; engineering, architecture, scientific visualisation, medical visualisation, etc.
My question is neither a troll nor a condemnation of the 3d environment idea PER SE - it's just a question. I understand that GUI is better from a usability standpoint over text based interfaces in a lot of instances - easier to click on an icon than remember what the executable name is. But I cannot see how an OPERATING SYSTEM will benefit from 3d visualisation: there appears to me to be a poor cost-benefit ratio given the hurdles to figure out in terms of haptics, etc. I mean, you'd have to devote tons of clock cycles just doing collision detection to "click" a "button".
GUI design in 2D is relatively simple- find a pictural metaphor and use it. 3D design on a 2D plane is tricky. Very tricky. And 3d metaphors may exist, but I can't think of any. My question was an honest one, not a troll. I want to know where this can lead.
exactly what it is you're supposed to gain by being able to browse your data in three dimensions.
Certain kinds of DATA in certain kinds of APPLICATIONS might benefit from 3D visualisation: there are certain engineering applications and certain mathematical visualisation apps I can think of. However, having an ENTIRE 3D ENVIRONMENT seems to me to be a waste of time and clock cycles and energy. I am WILLING to be proven wrong.
Let me put it to you this way - unless you're doing graphic design with pictures, and that - is there any REAL advantage apart from typesetting between using WordPerfect for DOS and the latest newfangled "will do HTML, PDF output, with 35,000 useless features" WYSINNWYG MS Word, in terms of productivity when it comes to typing out text? It seems to me that I can write just as well in this little text box in a courier font as I could in any other kind of app.
And let's not forget the biggest 3D problem is feedback - if you're not using a binocular display (VERY expensive) figuring out exactly "how far away" something is is tricky (I don't see in 3D myself - and I can tell you I tend to stop putting things down when I feel them hit). And there's the mechanics of navigation in 3D - most of our present solutions give you shoulder strain from waving your arms around. Without touch feedback to tell you you've "touched" the "button" you're constantly guessing at what you've just done. In addition, you have the problem of some people who get violently ill when visual cues ("I'm flying forward") don't match inner ear cues ("I'm sitting still") - a situation we call VIMS (Virtually Induced Motion Sickness).
NEWS FLASH!!! They've figured out who won!!!
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Another impending sign of the Apocalypse... Britney Spears CDs on speed dial....
Part of me wishes to be abducted by aliens and taken off this godforsaken rock of a planet... then I remember that 99.9% of the time they get their abductees from places like Pig Jowl, Arkansas.
And I had only just finished up setting up an optical-laser-writing-to-clear-packing-tape jukebox you mentioned a month or two ago.
Now you're telling me the lastest cool thing is this???
I'm telling you, it costs a lot to be on the bleeding edge... sigh...
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1) How would absentee voting work? Ballots by mail would be encoded exactly how?
2) I can easily forsee some nice obfuscated C somewhere that in essence says if vote == gore and numvotes%65343==0 then vote = bush....
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The week after, a man who's enduring diving into boiling hot lava, swimming in a pool of liquid nitrogen, being tied to the bumper of an Indy 500 pace car and dragged a few hundred laps, ran over with a steamroller (twice) and used as a football in a CFL playoff game demonstrates the relative pacifist and non-masochistic nature of Japanese game shows, and the non-sadistic nature of the people who watch them.
This site is fantastic. It certainly will help to combat the stereotype of the Japanese as little obsessive-compulsive types who fetishise anything related to technology and/or sci-fi, with strange hobbies and no lives. I mean, after seeing something like this, the notions we have about the Japanese just get shot to pieces. I mean, what better way to teach that on their own time, for R+R, the Japanese aren't insanely drawn to exceedingly complex, difficult, pointless and time consuming pursuits in an effort to achieve perfection in something with absolutely no practical value.
To the otaku-zoku who put this together, I stand up and salute you. Thanks for debunking the myths. Next week, a man who lovingly renders "tentacle-rapist alien attacks 14 year old schoolgirl anime" with a pointilist technique by cutting and pasting microscopic pieces of cloth from "used schoolgirl underwear" vending machine panties.
There is a MAJOR difference in the way that Sun and Microsoft do business.
And I'd rather read about a protocol developed and implemented by MULTIPLE companies than one that's implemented by ONE. Where's the document on the deep internals of how.NET works? It's buried in a vault in Redmond.
Actually, more of an inside joke. The "Red Hat == Microsoft" rant has occurred more than once in this forum. If I'd REALLY wanted to troll or flamebait, I'd have said Debian.
SOAP is a protocol that's been documented and whose existence is due to W3C and implemented by multiple vendors.
I'm still researching it, but it seems that SOAP is, like HTTP, a protocol anyone can implement.
Now, let's look at.NET - it's a VM owned and operated by Microsoft. Whose language of choice with same is C#, again, owned by Microsoft. Well, you can always use ASP+ with it, which is owned by, well, Microsoft. Etc.
I wonder if and when Microsoft will hijack the SOAP protocol and have SOAP SCUM (SOAP - Supplied Completely Under Microsoft) which won't work with anything else, just like *ahem* J++ *ahem*
RE: What no-one seems to be talking about with the Common Language Runtime (CLR) is how M$ can potentially write a CLR engine for other OSes. With that, developers would have many language choices that could run in an OO environment on many platforms.
Well as it stands,.NET supports a wide variety of OS's. You can run Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, or Windows 2000! I'm sure they'll port it to the Linux platform, but only for the Microsoft Linux platform (in conjunction with RedHat) with certain, shall we say, closed-source additions. Like a new, closed-source kernel, a new, closed-source virtual machine, closed-source IP stack, you get the drift. Everything people LIKE about Linux, but better.
And of course, you have LOTS of options when it comes to languages. Microsoft C#, Microsoft VB, Microsoft ASP! Who says that.NET limits choice!
No, Chretien will win it. Although Canadians want lower taxes, lower government spending, toughness on crime, an end to the Young Offender's Act and real teeth to the Immigration Act's enforcement (e.g. no selling visas to Triad gangs in Hong Kong) they show an absolute inability to actually vote anyone into power who will put this into effect. Chretien will call Day a Nazi and his camp will say fundamentalist Christians are too dangerous to have any position of authority, and the electorate will agree. The CBC is doing a fine job of spewing almost non-stop Liberal propaganda.
My prediction is: CA will go 29% - 35% support, and it'll look like the minority government might happen, at which point just before the election, Jean Chretien will show up on TV (which the CBC will broadcast endlessly thereafter) with P.E.T's photo behind him in a huge backdrop with "Pierre Elliott Trudeau - 1917- 2000 (or whatever)" in gold lettering on it and a red rose, and say "Pierre, hi know dat you wan dat just society.. hile work for dat for sure on dat. Gad bless you Pierre." and sob quietly. Election's over.
All the sensible people have moved to the USA anyway - check out the exchange rate right now. Canadian dollar at 64c and dropping...
Well it seems to me that whereas the latest Intel offering is a large, bloated, energy consuming pile of whatever, it still will command some degree of market share due to the number of SMP offerings out there. If anyone can tell me where I can find a Dual or SMP Athlon board, email me immediately.
Whereas the Pentium IV has NO motherboard support and Rambus vs DDR, the race is now on to see who can produce a good SMP motherboard first. The frontier really is in multiprocessor now, not just the clock speed of CPU0.
I mean, all toaster jokes aside, is this finally when we start to realise that we either gotta start going RISC, or start looking at other options (photonics?) rather than silicon?
Once again we're going to have three factions clashing. Faction ONE is going to be older workers who are ticked that they aren't making $300,000 a year anymore programming in COBOL and who can't find jobs compared to the young uns, pleading to keep furners out so they can git thuh jobs. Faction TWO is going to be people from outside the USA (myself included, being Canadian) who will tell you how brutally difficult the whole process is for people, and Faction THREE is going to be people who think applying for a green card is like applying for a driver's licence.
Linus Torvalds is stuck behind red tape. Many a talented worker is stuck behind red tape. This may or may not be a bonus, because the motivation of MANY on H-1s is to become Green Card holders, whereas many believe temporary means temporary.
If we're going to have a discussion about this, please put your own personal agendas as to whether these furners should be here or not aside and discuss what this actually means to some of the readership here.
I thought they were a search engine on same. If they burned it all to CD or something even stabler every day, I'm impressed.
Now all we need are "software agents" going out and sucking all the Web content of a given area day to day, so there's a daily "snapshot" of content on the Internet.
This may not be a good idea from the perspective of it allowing RIAA and MPAA to go after people, etc.... but it is an idea, nonetheless
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The dose of reality is that you have a friend who is sexually interested in children. He should get help. I know in this permissive age we seem to think everything's OK, but children do NOT have the same headspace as adults, and the taboo against exploiting children exists for a reason. Ask anyone dealing with the childhood trauma of abuse.
Child pornography is used to excite people who have an interest in molesting children. I refuse to use the term "pedophile" because that means "lover of children" and people who have TRUE love of children do not want to use them for their own gratification nor exploit them.
Child pornography is also used by abusers to lure children into performing certain acts. The rationale is "See, it's OK. Look at these pictures. These kids are doing it too."
Go read up on the issue, like I did (check out Andrew Vachss' web site, the Zero) and it'll become clear as to why every effort MUST be made to stamp out child pr0n. It is NOT an "alternative lifestyle" (there are not two consenting adults), it is NOT something cool or remotely healthy. Yes, call the cops. Because wherever that guy got those JPGs or whatever from, there are some little girls and boys being abused.
I don't know if it's ever occurred to you, but kiddie porn is actually evidence of a crime. In order to get kiddie porn you have to do something to a kiddie, so encouraging the production of same is encouraging the exploitation of children.
And it turns out that people who do exploit children use kiddie porn to lure these kids into doing things the abuser wants: "See, these kids are doing it too. It's normal. It's OK."
I realise that there are some people out there that believe that there should be no restrictions on speech - but there are exceptions, especially in such a case as this, where it can be PROVEN that people are harmed in the creation and use thereof.
An excellent response! Thank you for making some very insightful points which have certainly increased my interest in this particular endeavor.
I agree with you that browsing data in 3d is a cool idea. My question is whether or not you gain anything by having the OS do the same. I guess the screenshot of the "dominoes" cluttered everywhere with text seemed too confusing to me and therefore distracted me from your book metaphor, which I like. I guess having "folders" closest to you that are more recent and those further away less recent, but mapped out in 2D space according to function is one application. Your pointer metaphor is another cool idea! But I think it'd be a sharper mind than mine to implement it - I know with my limited attempts at running 3D applications how frustrating dealing with 3d in a flat plane (monitor) can be...
With processing power and increases in technology leaping forward every few months, I can see why people would undertake VERY tricky feats that just seemed too difficult a few years ago - like voice control and voice dictation rather than using a keyboard. I'm not saying, and never have, that computing really reached its zenith with vi in a CLI environment, and everything else is "eye candy".
Marshall McLuhan once said that "the medium is the message" - and astute people can figure out the social effects (message) of a given technology (medium). I'm looking FORWARD to seeing what comes out of these kinds of projects - because you're right. I am trying to wonder what's going to come from this. I guess I'm just too dumb to see where this is going and hope that the more enlightened amongst us can give me some additional insight.
And on what basis do you say this?
Well, I can certainly understand this criticism. And I have ZERO problems whatsoever with the idea of new apps where 3d visualisation is a great idea. There are PRESENT applications where 3d visualisation is a great idea; engineering, architecture, scientific visualisation, medical visualisation, etc.
My question is neither a troll nor a condemnation of the 3d environment idea PER SE - it's just a question. I understand that GUI is better from a usability standpoint over text based interfaces in a lot of instances - easier to click on an icon than remember what the executable name is. But I cannot see how an OPERATING SYSTEM will benefit from 3d visualisation: there appears to me to be a poor cost-benefit ratio given the hurdles to figure out in terms of haptics, etc. I mean, you'd have to devote tons of clock cycles just doing collision detection to "click" a "button".
GUI design in 2D is relatively simple- find a pictural metaphor and use it. 3D design on a 2D plane is tricky. Very tricky. And 3d metaphors may exist, but I can't think of any. My question was an honest one, not a troll. I want to know where this can lead.
exactly what it is you're supposed to gain by being able to browse your data in three dimensions.
Certain kinds of DATA in certain kinds of APPLICATIONS might benefit from 3D visualisation: there are certain engineering applications and certain mathematical visualisation apps I can think of. However, having an ENTIRE 3D ENVIRONMENT seems to me to be a waste of time and clock cycles and energy. I am WILLING to be proven wrong.
Let me put it to you this way - unless you're doing graphic design with pictures, and that - is there any REAL advantage apart from typesetting between using WordPerfect for DOS and the latest newfangled "will do HTML, PDF output, with 35,000 useless features" WYSINNWYG MS Word, in terms of productivity when it comes to typing out text? It seems to me that I can write just as well in this little text box in a courier font as I could in any other kind of app.
And let's not forget the biggest 3D problem is feedback - if you're not using a binocular display (VERY expensive) figuring out exactly "how far away" something is is tricky (I don't see in 3D myself - and I can tell you I tend to stop putting things down when I feel them hit). And there's the mechanics of navigation in 3D - most of our present solutions give you shoulder strain from waving your arms around. Without touch feedback to tell you you've "touched" the "button" you're constantly guessing at what you've just done. In addition, you have the problem of some people who get violently ill when visual cues ("I'm flying forward") don't match inner ear cues ("I'm sitting still") - a situation we call VIMS (Virtually Induced Motion Sickness).
This year's election has been won by the LAWYERS.
Another argument for a better system for 2004.
Another impending sign of the Apocalypse... Britney Spears CDs on speed dial....
Part of me wishes to be abducted by aliens and taken off this godforsaken rock of a planet... then I remember that 99.9% of the time they get their abductees from places like Pig Jowl, Arkansas.
And I had only just finished up setting up an optical-laser-writing-to-clear-packing-tape jukebox you mentioned a month or two ago.
Now you're telling me the lastest cool thing is this???
I'm telling you, it costs a lot to be on the bleeding edge... sigh...
1) How would absentee voting work? Ballots by mail would be encoded exactly how?
2) I can easily forsee some nice obfuscated C somewhere that in essence says if vote == gore and numvotes%65343==0 then vote = bush....
Nah, honest, it was a case of, "ah, rats, I forgot to add this, too..."
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The week after, a man who's enduring diving into boiling hot lava, swimming in a pool of liquid nitrogen, being tied to the bumper of an Indy 500 pace car and dragged a few hundred laps, ran over with a steamroller (twice) and used as a football in a CFL playoff game demonstrates the relative pacifist and non-masochistic nature of Japanese game shows, and the non-sadistic nature of the people who watch them.
This site is fantastic. It certainly will help to combat the stereotype of the Japanese as little obsessive-compulsive types who fetishise anything related to technology and/or sci-fi, with strange hobbies and no lives. I mean, after seeing something like this, the notions we have about the Japanese just get shot to pieces. I mean, what better way to teach that on their own time, for R+R, the Japanese aren't insanely drawn to exceedingly complex, difficult, pointless and time consuming pursuits in an effort to achieve perfection in something with absolutely no practical value.
To the otaku-zoku who put this together, I stand up and salute you. Thanks for debunking the myths. Next week, a man who lovingly renders "tentacle-rapist alien attacks 14 year old schoolgirl anime" with a pointilist technique by cutting and pasting microscopic pieces of cloth from "used schoolgirl underwear" vending machine panties.
There is a MAJOR difference in the way that Sun and Microsoft do business.
.NET works? It's buried in a vault in Redmond.
And I'd rather read about a protocol developed and implemented by MULTIPLE companies than one that's implemented by ONE. Where's the document on the deep internals of how
Actually, more of an inside joke. The "Red Hat == Microsoft" rant has occurred more than once in this forum. If I'd REALLY wanted to troll or flamebait, I'd have said Debian.
SOAP is a protocol that's been documented and whose existence is due to W3C and implemented by multiple vendors.
.NET - it's a VM owned and operated by Microsoft. Whose language of choice with same is C#, again, owned by Microsoft. Well, you can always use ASP+ with it, which is owned by, well, Microsoft. Etc.
I'm still researching it, but it seems that SOAP is, like HTTP, a protocol anyone can implement.
Now, let's look at
I wonder if and when Microsoft will hijack the SOAP protocol and have SOAP SCUM (SOAP - Supplied Completely Under Microsoft) which won't work with anything else, just like *ahem* J++ *ahem*
Isn't it /. , not ./?
Guess you were using a Microsoft spell checker.
RE: What no-one seems to be talking about with the Common Language Runtime (CLR) is how M$ can potentially write a CLR engine for other OSes. With that, developers would have many language choices that could run in an OO environment on many platforms.
.NET supports a wide variety of OS's. You can run Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, or Windows 2000! I'm sure they'll port it to the Linux platform, but only for the Microsoft Linux platform (in conjunction with RedHat) with certain, shall we say, closed-source additions. Like a new, closed-source kernel, a new, closed-source virtual machine, closed-source IP stack, you get the drift. Everything people LIKE about Linux, but better.
.NET limits choice!
Well as it stands,
And of course, you have LOTS of options when it comes to languages. Microsoft C#, Microsoft VB, Microsoft ASP! Who says that
Sadly, some of us continue to need to work with x86....
I agree totally with you.
No, Chretien will win it. Although Canadians want lower taxes, lower government spending, toughness on crime, an end to the Young Offender's Act and real teeth to the Immigration Act's enforcement (e.g. no selling visas to Triad gangs in Hong Kong) they show an absolute inability to actually vote anyone into power who will put this into effect. Chretien will call Day a Nazi and his camp will say fundamentalist Christians are too dangerous to have any position of authority, and the electorate will agree. The CBC is doing a fine job of spewing almost non-stop Liberal propaganda.
My prediction is: CA will go 29% - 35% support, and it'll look like the minority government might happen, at which point just before the election, Jean Chretien will show up on TV (which the CBC will broadcast endlessly thereafter) with P.E.T's photo behind him in a huge backdrop with "Pierre Elliott Trudeau - 1917- 2000 (or whatever)" in gold lettering on it and a red rose, and say "Pierre, hi know dat you wan dat just society.. hile work for dat for sure on dat. Gad bless you Pierre." and sob quietly. Election's over.
All the sensible people have moved to the USA anyway - check out the exchange rate right now. Canadian dollar at 64c and dropping...
Well it seems to me that whereas the latest Intel offering is a large, bloated, energy consuming pile of whatever, it still will command some degree of market share due to the number of SMP offerings out there. If anyone can tell me where I can find a Dual or SMP Athlon board, email me immediately.
Whereas the Pentium IV has NO motherboard support and Rambus vs DDR, the race is now on to see who can produce a good SMP motherboard first. The frontier really is in multiprocessor now, not just the clock speed of CPU0.
I mean, all toaster jokes aside, is this finally when we start to realise that we either gotta start going RISC, or start looking at other options (photonics?) rather than silicon?
I've heard from my friends who went and voted that "Hemos" and/or "CowboyNeal" weren't anywhere on the ballot?
What gives?
Once again we're going to have three factions clashing. Faction ONE is going to be older workers who are ticked that they aren't making $300,000 a year anymore programming in COBOL and who can't find jobs compared to the young uns, pleading to keep furners out so they can git thuh jobs. Faction TWO is going to be people from outside the USA (myself included, being Canadian) who will tell you how brutally difficult the whole process is for people, and Faction THREE is going to be people who think applying for a green card is like applying for a driver's licence.
Linus Torvalds is stuck behind red tape. Many a talented worker is stuck behind red tape. This may or may not be a bonus, because the motivation of MANY on H-1s is to become Green Card holders, whereas many believe temporary means temporary.
If we're going to have a discussion about this, please put your own personal agendas as to whether these furners should be here or not aside and discuss what this actually means to some of the readership here.
I thought they were a search engine on same. If they burned it all to CD or something even stabler every day, I'm impressed.
Now all we need are "software agents" going out and sucking all the Web content of a given area day to day, so there's a daily "snapshot" of content on the Internet.
This may not be a good idea from the perspective of it allowing RIAA and MPAA to go after people, etc.... but it is an idea, nonetheless