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Election Wrapping Up
I'm posting this so people have a place to talk about election results as they come in. The major news sites are all covering the results, but they are also really bogged down. Feel free to post mirrors and links and updates in the comments so we can all try to get the information around. And meanwhile, I'm gonna watch The Daily Show's Indecision 2000 coverage on Comedy Central. When the election is final, we'll post one more story, and kiss politics good bye for a few years. Nobody will be happier then me! (One nice thing is that many places are reporting extremely high voter turn out. At least people care). Update by CT : as of 9:30 eastern, CNN reports things very close: 185 electoral votes for Bush and 182 for Gore.
> Can you say "right-wing dictatorship"? That's exactly what we have! Good thing W. has such experience with mass executions. He just has to ramp up production now!
--- Speaking only for myself,
Well, I don't agree with your choice, but I did defend your right to it, and would again. Thank you for recognizing the Armed Forces.
"We apologize for the inconvenience."
This election is as tight as the western lug-nuts on a '55 Ford.
I couldn't have heard that right!?
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Bush's assertion: there ought to be limits to freedom
when he lies to congress..
That's what got Nixon in.. He lied to congress. But, that's not important anymore.
Yes, what about taxes? Both candidates want to reduce taxes. They say they will use the surplus to pay down the debt. They keep pointing out that we are in the most prosperous economic time ever.
So here is a plan. How about we leave it be for now. Put all this extra to pay down the debt. Once the debt is under reasonable control, THEN lower taxes. Lower taxes should really be for the lean times, when no one has any money.
Not to mention the Fed Reserve is constantly trying to cool the economy down by raising interest rates. So the candidates are trying to screw this over by lowering taxes. Good plan, too bad it could potentially drives up inflation.
The only thing people care about is getting more money. so no one thinks about this stuff.
Why are drugs not a substantive issue? We have more people in prison than just about any nation. No word from either candidate about this.
How about the two party system trap we are in. We need some kind of campaign finance reform. I am for 100% full disclosure, but not too sure how well that would work.
Q.
He's got less than 80,000 votes to go, and Democratic volunteers are printing up the ballots as fast as they can!
> Don't laugh, I'm not joking: Clinton got in last time on "bad boy" sex appeal.
Yeah, when I was a clean-shaven young stud I used to "get in" on bad boy sex appeal too.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
> If Gore wins, just announce that you'd like to stay in Miami with your uncle and Janet Reno II will send you to Cuba for free.
Why rely on government support? There ought to be plenty of abandoned innertubes drifting around Miami...
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
For those who don't know, the position of Governer here in Texas has less to do with control of the local Govt compared to position of Lt. Govn. (Rick Perry) which does all the decision making.
Hmm, I was looking at the Texas Constitution out of curiosity. You cannot be an elected official if your an atheist.
Strange.
Q.
I tried several times to get through to MSNBC and couldn't... when I finally did, and the page finally fully loaded, the information didn't reflect the current results...
CNN seems to be holding up under the stress OK so far... and seems to have the latest results.
Does MSNBC run Windows or UNIX? IIS or Apache...?
Let's see, we've got two jerks running for office... one of 'em smart and irritating, the other's dumb and irritating. Now, let's see... try to guess which states go with which candidate...
Why, gol-leee...
Clinton didn't run again because he can't, presidents are limited to 10 years. So, if you're VP and the president dies, you can take over for at most 2 years and then be eligible for 2 more terms (8 years). Or, you can just be elected for at most 2 terms.
Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
haha
"there is no truth, there is only you, and what you make the truth"
Whoohoo! It looks like my precinct (Cambridge, Massachusetts, Ward 11 Precinct 2) had close to 100% voter turnout.
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We've just elected the biggest moron in the history of the American presidency!
Ah, you haven't read much history. Read up on the Grant administration sometime...
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Candidates Votes Vote % States Won EV
Bush 46,949,888 49 % 29 246
Gore 46,932,666 48 % 19 249
Nader 2,534,896 3 % 0 0
Buchanan 428,901 0 % 0 0
no winner declared exit polls
results as of 4:34 a.m. EST
thats off cnn.
nice results page
gore could win if he gets florida(25), but is out if he only carries OR(7) or WI(11) (other recounts/undecided) hopefully gore pulls it off.
Not that I believe in voting for anybody other than who you want to win, regardless of the outcome. If you think Nader's values and ideals most closely match your own, it's your civic duty to vote for Nader. If you feel that way about Bush, vote for Bush, and likewise Gore.
If you are limiting yourself to the lesser of two evils, then be prepared to be limiting yourself to the lesser of two evils for the rest of your life. We need options, even if it means the greater evil (by a tiny margin anyway) wins this one.
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Stupid sexy Flanders.
I've heard from my friends who went and voted that "Hemos" and/or "CowboyNeal" weren't anywhere on the ballot?
What gives?
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anyone wanna tell me why Clinton didn't run again.. or did he and just no-one voted for him?
If you're serious (saying you're outside the USA), the reason is that we have a constitutional limit of two terms for the president (made during FDR's 4th term in office!), and Clinton has just served twice in a row...
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Frankly, I couldn't care less if he had oral sex with Monica. He could have fucked every prostitute in DC for all I care. The thing that I do have a problem with is that he lied under oath about it. PERJURY! Remember, that's the same thing that Nixon went down for, but at least Nixon had the balls (no pun intended) to resign.
Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
Nobody will be happier then me!
You're busted!
Brought to you by your local Grammar Police and the letter A.Its pretty silly, actually. The CNN results page has Gore declared as the winner of Florida and Michigan-- but if you look at the numbers, Bush is way ahead
Michigan
Bush 92,917 53%
Gore 79,511 45%
Yet they have the Winner declared checkmark beside Gore's name!
Same with Florida:
Florida
Bush 952,976 52%
Gore 849,324 46%
Does CNN know something they're not telling us?
It would be fascinating to prowl through these pages in a few years, especially the polls (which aren't normally viewable on slashdot once they're off the main page). Hey Rob, how about setting up a permanent archive of the election stories?
Personally, I'm happy with my choice of Gore. I'm also quite pleased that I didn't have to kill or be killed for my chance to vote. Those of you reading this who served or serve in the armed forces, thanks much.
I use Macs for work, Linux for education, and Windows for cardplaying.
Gore just got Pennsivania...Game over!
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I intend to watch Comedy Central, unfortunately my bastard of a college has classes today.
In the mean time, I've been hitting: http://www.elwood.net/gore
All Praise Al Gore!
-Chuck
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Drudge is up, just very slow.
Funny thing though, in the last 3 'updates' there has been less and less up:
First
DRUDGE REPORT... TUE NOV 07 2000 18:30:21 ET... UPDATED BY MATT DRUDGE...
BATTLE: GORE CORNERS BIG STATES, BUSH PLOWS HEARTLAND...
GORE UP 21% IN NY; 16% IN CALIFORNIA; 15% IN NJ, SAY CAMPAIGN SOURCES...
GORE MOVES AHEAD IN FLORIDA BY 3%, SAY CAMPAIGN SOURCES....
NADER VOTE COLLAPSED...
INDEPENDENTS CUT 2 TO 1 FOR GORE, SAY SOURCES...
HILLARY SET TO CAPTURE SENATE SEAT
then...
DRUDGE REPORT... TUE NOV 07 2000 20:10:51 ET... UPDATED BY MATT DRUDGE...
BATTLE: GORE CORNERS BIG STATES, BUSH PLOWS HEARTLAND...
GORE UP 21% IN NY; 16% IN CALIFORNIA...
NADER VOTE COLLAPSED...
INDEPENDENTS CUT 2 TO 1 FOR GORE, SAY SOURCES...
BUSH SET TO CAPTURE ELECTORAL COLLEGE; HILLARY WINS SENATE SEAT
then...
DRUDGE REPORT... UPDATED BY MATT DRUDGE TUE NOV 07 20:36:47 ET...
GORE WINS BIG STATES, BUSH SET TO CAPTURE ELECTORAL COLLEGE; HILLARY WINS SENATE SEAT
(Don't blame me for the caps, that's all Drudge)
this is just a question, but have you taken a serious look at either candidate? I mean really?
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
Do I vote for GWB so that I can hire unskilled employees for low wages, or Gore so that I can continue to make a living myself? Either way it's like screwing an ugly chick... She really wants to give ya what ya want, but ya know that you gotta look at her true face sometime!
Are YOU listed?
Is anyone else out there just really scared? I think the world is coming to a pretty dismal end, and I'm not kidding. We've got armed U.S. forces in over 100 countries, we're putting harmless marijuana smokers in jail. The FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA make me wanna SMP (shit my pants). That post from that kid that got his computers and code taken away? That sucks! The FDA irradiating food without long-term testing, and telling people that they can't use drugs to help them ease they're pain because they're not 'approved'. I'll tell you what, if I was dying, I wouldn't care what the [enter 3-letter anacronym here] thought about what medicine I was taking.
And woah! doesn't the U.S. remind you of the British Empire back in the day? sure, a lot of 3rd world countries aren't colonies of the U.S., but the people there sure are our slaves, making pennies a day to make cheaper clothes for us. Thank god they're children are working there miserable little lives until the day they die so our children can have a plastic toy with their happy meal.
You can't even drink your water, go swimming in the local lake because of pollution. Nuclear power plants lied about how much radiation is leaking into nature. Chemical plants lie about how much pollution they're leaking. If you think about it, EVERYONE is lying, they refuse to tell the truth when they fuck up!
Carnivore. AHHHHH!!!
This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on and on... about how my Dad's friend got his family farm of 100 years taken away by immenent domain, only to get it back later through a long and expensive lawsuit. Or about how people in my city complained that the parking meters were overcharging, and the city refused to believe it... until an organization tested them and found that 60% were overcharging people! Then the city said that they would fix them, but it would be VERY expensive, so it would take a year or so and at a huge cost. Christ!
Speaking of Christ, don't get me started on fucked up religious people that think you should run your life like they run theirs, even though if there was a hell, THEY would most certainly be going to it. And they've spawned this whole other group of people that hate anyone that is part of any religious group, even if they're totally cool.
Great.
I'd better stop now before this starts turning into straight cussing, but holy shit am I scared about the future when technology combines with all this BULLSHIT.
We have the chance to have this kik-ass world where everyone is a part of this very loving society, but it's looking like that's not gonna happen.
john
I checked ahead. Since my state isn't close, a vote for Nader isn't a vote for Bush. Last I saw, Vermont was going for Gore. If Gore lost Vermont by 1 vote, and Bush won the Presidency by 3 or fewer electoral votes, then you could blame (or thank) me.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Whens the last time so many people have decided the fate of America based on if the candidate is boring (Al Gore) or has some character (Bush). All the major news talk about this and I think its a shame that the future of america is being based on issues like that.
They never have before... Our elections are always approximately a month in duration.
<ding> congratulations for figuring out why Chretien called the election right about now. :-)
He may have, but with his track record on anti-semitism (Keegstra considers him ``good people''. Be afraid. Be very afraid.), and his intention to place ``God's Law'' ahead of our Constitution and Charter of Human Rights, he's probably the most frightening candidate we've had in a while.
Teach your kids: "C++ made baby Jesus cry."
tbanks. i think yelling drained energy from my grammar processing unit.
Stop the brainwash
No, Chretien will win it. Although Canadians want lower taxes, lower government spending, toughness on crime, an end to the Young Offender's Act and real teeth to the Immigration Act's enforcement (e.g. no selling visas to Triad gangs in Hong Kong) they show an absolute inability to actually vote anyone into power who will put this into effect. Chretien will call Day a Nazi and his camp will say fundamentalist Christians are too dangerous to have any position of authority, and the electorate will agree. The CBC is doing a fine job of spewing almost non-stop Liberal propaganda.
My prediction is: CA will go 29% - 35% support, and it'll look like the minority government might happen, at which point just before the election, Jean Chretien will show up on TV (which the CBC will broadcast endlessly thereafter) with P.E.T's photo behind him in a huge backdrop with "Pierre Elliott Trudeau - 1917- 2000 (or whatever)" in gold lettering on it and a red rose, and say "Pierre, hi know dat you wan dat just society.. hile work for dat for sure on dat. Gad bless you Pierre." and sob quietly. Election's over.
All the sensible people have moved to the USA anyway - check out the exchange rate right now. Canadian dollar at 64c and dropping...
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I'm sure i've read it more then you. I'm suprised you're even literate.
There is a difference between what is wrong and what is illegal, and xversely (no clue if this is inverse or converse), a difference between what is legal and what is right. The social contract is based on right and wrong, not on law, and IMO, there is nothing wrong with the sale and use of recreational drugs, from chocolate to crack. None of them are nearly as dangerous as antibiotics. With each prescription, we inch just a little closer to the bug that will kill people by the millions, yet we continue to focus on drugs that people largely enjoy, and generally dull more suffering than any they _may_ create.
As for the other half of our prison population, I still don't see why they can't vote. Exclusion from society doesn't appear to be any more effective than inclusion, so what difference does it make?
Besides, most of the American social degenerates aren't behind bars -- take a look at who ran for office!
I registered my hate for Jon Katz
I especially like how, at the moment, CNN is estimating Gore and Clinton victories. How nice of them to wait for the polls to close and votes tallied to declare a winner... oh wait... they're the fourth branch of government! No, that doesn't sound right... we only have three branches. Lemme see... civics book... civics book. Ah! Here we go. The three branches are "money, "television," and "bullshit."
It also give me electoral college chuckles that Bush has more than a million more votes and a few extra states than Gore, but is losing.
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I read this and thought "Isn't it interesting how we all see bias against us." I always thought NPR (to which I am addicted) leaned left. But I'm often wrong.
e rage/issues/satire.html# you will find this poem. I read it as an spin control (a sigh is just a sigh) and a shot at Bush (Bush needs gravitas). Mixed in with a bit of whining (why don't they like my guy?).
n .html with two anti Bush cartoons and one general anti politician panel.
:-)
It is hard to find bias when the data is all audio, memory is so fleeting, but I think I might be able to find a little evidence on the web page.
If you look at the satire at http://www.npr.org/news/national/election2000/cov
Poetic License
From Rewind with Bill Radke
You must remember this:
Gore's kiss was just a kiss.
His sigh was just a sigh.
But the superficial things apply, as polls go by.
And when two guys debate
The pundits concentrate
On who's the nicer guy.
No matter what the substance was, the polls don't lie.
Spin doctors and focus groups, never out of date.
Nights full of cash, a thousand bucks a plate
Bush needs gravitas that only a running mate
Like Dick Cheney can supply.
It's still the same old story,
The fight 'tween Bush and Gore-y
For mom and apple pie.
The world will always welcome charmers, as polls go by
Then there is this description of a radio piece "Rebecca Flowers says all the diversity at the GOP convention made her think of a dream Republican ticket -- Bush and recording artist Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs. The gangsta rapper is black, musical and rich -- all the things the GOP seemed most interested in during convention week. And they probably share similar views on gun control." I haven't heard the piece, but from this it does not seem to kind toward the Republicans.
Ten there is a bit from a (alledegly funny, I can't stand it) quiz show where two of the three questions are slanted against George Bush. I am probably biased, but the one against Al Gore seems less insulting. They claim GW spends 15 minutes each day just approving executions. Not a pretty picture.
From there they have a link to http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/001025.cartoo
As I said, I'm biased and this is just based on text ("Well I remember them saying something about..." just leads to a pissing contest). Still, it looks to me like NPR is kinder to Gore than to Bush.
Dan
PS Last post?
PPS Sorry about spelling errors. Ah for the days of error correcting modems
Well, the limitation is why he isn't RUNNING for president, not why he can't ever be president again. Of course he could, but he can't RUN for the office...
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On behalf of the State of Tennessee, I'd like to apologize for Al Gore. We promise we won't do it again.
It never was a direct one and it never will be. Nader is a washed up consumer advocate who never realized the 60's ended. His ideas are unworkeable and don't work in the real world. People have had ample time to look at his stances on the issues and they are still not flocking to him. This means that he is logically not what the people want.
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Wow, you're worse than CNN, thinking Gore is winning Florida. Where are you getting your crank information? Bush has 62% of the vote in Texas as of RIGHT NOW. And it was never in doubt. Funny, he's also got 51% of Tennessee. Who's home state is that?
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Does anyone actually have a Java program designed to control air traffic, or for the operation of a nuclear facility?
Presumably they're relying on exit polls. But can't they at least have the decency to wait until a significant number of votes are counted? And in such a very close election, might they not consider that a very small error in the exit polls can make a huge difference in the result? Typical exit polls sample only about 1200 voters statewide; surely with things so close this is not a sufficient sample.
And the brethren went away edified.
I watch less than a half-hour of television a week. As a result, it came as a shock when I discovered that the election is happening in the last week of this month.
I mean, didn't they just call it? Shouldn't it take a few months? I thought the CRAP (Combined Reform and Alliance Party) just elected their leader -- how's he supposed to compete when he hasn't even had a chance to settle into the job?
It's all happening way to fast for me, and I haven't found (well, I haven't looked for) a good, independent web press site to get informed. I'm going into this election much more ignorant than ever before. It's scary.
I sure hope there's been good television coverage, for the rest of the Canadian electorate, who's probably all too likely to spend their life in front of the tube.
I did overhear something about Stockwell Day saying he was going to legalize marijuana. I'm not a drug user (save caffeine), but I'll vote for him without hesitation if he really means it. I'd really like the cops to go back to doing something more useful than busting small-time users.
Anyone have a web resource where I can get informed about my choices in this election? Thanks in advance!
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I wonder what it is like being slashdotted on Election day for a news site.
It's kind of zen..
oh yeah, i forgot the punchline.
Neither of the 'big 2' will change any of these.
john
on ABC about scare tactics being used on voters:
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i browse at -1 because they're funnier than you are.
they do exit polling...
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Hank Hill is painfully close to the truth in pretty much any texas city with population
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Are there any escrow services that we can use to gamble on these things. Bush is gunna win man. I'm not even an american and I know that.. hey, anyone wanna tell me why Clinton didn't run again.. or did he and just no-one voted for him?
How we know is more important than what we know.
...it's there in black and white, bush will win the election...
-HobophobE
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Nothing laughs forever.
Hello.. MUTUALLY ASSURE DESTRUCTION. Heard about it? It's cynical, but it's worked for fourty some years.
If the US builds that missile defence, you'll have the other nations going "it's now or never.. think we can make it?"
Stop the brainwash
Don't forget the NID!
Sorry, should have learned about those damn inequality signs in html-marked posts by now. That should have said "population <50000".
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I am extremely sorry as well. I don't know how someone as non-brilliant as GW has made it this far? Oh, wait, yes I do! The Republicans want someone who doesn't think very deeply, but does only what he is told. I don't know how people can accept this? Oh, wait, yes I do! The filthy rich and the ones more ignorant than GW himself. That makes about 50% of the population. McCain would have given the GOP a better chance. No?
Yeah, this seems to be a common theme among the networks with all the elections/states. I bet its just a ploy to ply some more ratings out of tonight, apparently commercials are going as high as a superbowl night rate according to some sources. I think I'll just turn on comedy central and watch indecision 2000 and wait to wake up, turn on my radio to the Walton & Johnson Show (If you're in Louisana, you know what I'm talkin about Baby!) and check out who won. Assuming they don't screw anything up and it takes a week to get this deteremined.
Okay. I agree that it's irresponsible to call Florida a Gore state before the polls are closed. But, at that point, anything goes. I can't quite understand why the popular vote shows Bush up about 9%, and they're calling it Gore. Oh, wait, exit polls. But those ignore the absentee votes! I'm not at all sure Florida is going to Gore.
I am also sincerely sorry, please accept our apologies.
Aaa-hAHAHahaHAhAHAHHAaaa!! (tenticals waving wildly) Always twirling, twirling, twiirrling!
The St. Louis polls are now officially closed. The reason the judge here upheld the decision to keep them open until 10, because the elections were so screwed up! There were countless people who have put in a change 6 month-6 YEARS ago, that weren't able to vote due to state screw-ups!!! And the REPUBLICAN(t's) are calling the very idea of bending the rules (because of gov't screw-up) an evil Democratic plot to try to get more votes! Boy, are they afraid of what the people think! I bet they're also really afraid of having an idea like the IRV system established... The Muppets explain IRV!
I was voting with my girlfriend at 3945 Flad in St. Louis, MO, finishing up around 5 minutes to 7 when I heard workers in the gymnasium aruguing loudly "They ain't making us stay open 'till 10!" and so forth from a few of them (but not all). Two African-American males were turned away at 6:59! They mentioned to us that Bush had better not win, and I hope they're right. On TV, I'm now watching two head Republicans (Senator & Ms. Chairman) and they are really worked up in a frenzy yelling how great it is that the 3 federal judges overturned the local (and more in tune with the cirmumstances) judge's motion to keep the faulty polls open late. I can't believe the "lady" is so arrogant to not see another side of the story - it's clear she doesn't feel sorry for the polls not operated properly, giving good reason to allow everyone to make an important choice. How many votes have been killed?
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Your pathetic, malicious and patently false rumours shall not bring down the Great, the Wonderful, the Adored, 133t j03. You can rant & rave on the sidelines as much as you like - the fact remains that 133t j03 took fp'ing and Trolling to new heights. He turned them into an Artform, one might say.
And when it comes to your accusations of Homosexuality, despite the evidence to the contrary, it sounds like what the Psychologists call 'projection'. You are projecting your own personality traits and insecurities onto 133t j03.
133t j03 bestrides this world like a Trolling Collosus, Fucker!
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I saw Haeglin on Politically Incorrect a while back. He is WAY too smart to be president. The guy just amazed me, he actually knew what he was talking about (on Politically Incorrect, that is rare). It is a shame that the Reform party went wacky and voted Buchanan. They pretty much killed themselves with that move. They had such a golden opportunity with Haeglin, then they nominate that xenophobe Buchanan.
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Gore has been declared the winner of Michigan, even though only 2% of the precincts have reported, and according to them, Bush has 52% of the vote, while Gore only has 46%. I wouldn't think that Bush would be able to be declared the winner so early, so how can they say Gore will win it when he has 6% fewer votes than Bush?
Your assumptions could be considered unreasonable in the state of Pennsylvania... we have a rather rural area in the middle of PA called the "T" that has thrown votes in the past. The reason is high turnout combined with late (near midnight) results. Other states have similar anomolies.
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Tweedlelyingstiff and tweedleilliteratemoron are not much of a choice...
Bradley is a personal hero of mine and McCain is by all accounts a decent guy and a hero in his own right. And they had more than just real (not to mention relatively well thought-out) positions on the issues; they had character.
BTW the fact that Bradley recently signed on as a spokesperson for and advisor to UPromise - the company I work for - has nothing to do with my opinion.
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never though of mnyself as a prognosticator. But here are the rest of the battle ground states.(as found on CNN.COM)
Maine New Hampshire
Deleware Pennsylvania
West Virginia Ohio
Michigan Wisconsin
Illinois Iowa
Missouri Arkansas
Louisianna Tennessee
Florida New Mexico
Arizona Nevada
Oregon Washington
The more of these states each Candidate takes will put them closer to winning.
The ones most likely to be taken by Gore in my view are. Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Missouri, Tennessee, Illinois, and Wisconsin.
the rest are to close to call. But with these electoral votes (121) along with the 150 he was predicted to get anyways should put him over the top.
Well, if you look closely at the returns, Bush is ahead in the number of votes in Florida, but somehow Gore is the winner there. Just like in New York, where Lazio is ahead by 14,000 votes (10% of the precincts reporting) but Clinton is somehow the 'declared' winner.
On yeah, and CNN is equally as bad. They gave Delaware to Gore when 1% of the precincts had reported in. On the "good" side, Missouri went from a Gore state on their map to undecided.
Kierthos
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
She would have made a way-better president than the Shrub. I just hope that everybody realizes that there are Liberals in Texas too.
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As of 9:15 PM Eastern time, according to the ABCNews website, with 35% reporting in Florida, Bush is leading 51% to 47%. I too wonder how they can predict that Gore wins the state already. Of course, I'm in denial over the whole thing, as I want Bush to win : )
What's odd is that (here in Florida) they are saying that Gore has won, but that Bush received 49% of the vote and Gore received only 48%. I would think they would label FL 'too close to call' at this point since not all of the districts or precincts or whatever have reported. The major networks, however, are no longer talking about FL so I don't know what there statistics show. It will be interesting to see if anything develops from this.
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Biggest snafu is Florida vote while Bush is ahead 51% (with 29% precints in) and Gore is 47%.
Yet, CNN announces that Gore wins the Florida.
WOrse yet, ABC, CBS, M$NBC relayed the exact same information.
NPR just projected Pensylvania for Gore. There were three large states (Michigan, Florida, and Pensylvania) that could go either way and Gore is winning all three of them.
Missouri is keeping its polls open late due to long lines at the polls. The Republicans are going to federal court to get them closed.
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It's obvious that the media is doing their best to keep the electoral vote tight for higher ratings.
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How we know is more important than what we know.
I am enrolled at a small college in Maryland. I was utterly depressed by the amount of students who did not vote.
The only thing that depressed me more was reading quotes in the school newspaper where people talked about who they were going to vote for and why. None of them had ANY idea about how that candidate stood on ANY issues. I am embarassed to simply be a part of the age group I am.
Why is it that young people don't vote? Im 20, and due to some kind of screw up with my absentee ballot, I drove 6 hours round trip today to vote, and managed to get back to attend classes.
The only positive thing I noticed was that a high percentage of computer science students I know voted. Why is this? Can anyone explain it to me?
Fact: A very large number of .com, .net, and .org sites exist outside the US. If they was US-only, the names wouldn't exist.
.org, not .ca, which is *definitely* not true. You're way off track now.
Fact: The whole argument started because some AC ignorantly suggested that this site only contains US material because the tld is
Drudge Report Down?
I've been trying to dredge up THE DRUDGE REPORT since this morning. It's been 12 hours so far. What's up with that? Anybody else able to get in?
He's been bragging all week about how he's going to be posting exit polls as they become available, even if the polls are still open. Slate tried the same thing during the primaries until they were threatened with a law suit by Voter News Service and changed their minds.
Friend Jonah Goldberg is quoted as saying,"I would be shocked, knowing Drudge like I do, if he doesn't do it -- particularly if it pisses people off."
Could DRUDGE be server swamped? DOS'ed? Technical difficulties? chickened out?
Is anyone else out there just really scared?
Well, I wasn't till you brought all this shit up!
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
Huh, did Rather just say a big wheel through a cotton field?
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This question is really bugging me, because the networks are all still projecting Florida to go to Gore, but... statistically, it is more likely to go to Bush at this moment. Are they not able to say "Whoops! We spoke too soon!"
I have been watching the election results come in on cnn.com rather studiously, and plan to do so for wuite some time. The catch? I'm not an Amercan, nor do I live there.
Why am I interested? Being a Canadian, american policies and decisions affect my life enormously. Under Bush, Canada would probably do slightly better economically. However, a win for Bush would bolster Canada's Stockwell Day, a religious-right political leader for the Canadian Alliance, in our upcoming federal election. I am left-wing, and would not want to see anything like that getting into canada's legislature.
From the reactions of others that posted here, it would seem that almost everyone either doesn't care, or is so single-minded all they can say is "my penis won texas". These are not the reactions I expected on slashdot, where, usually, the debate is of a high level.
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Well, if you look at the exit polls, Gore has over 50% of the votes. The other results are from actual pricincts reporting. Those are going to be heavily biased, since a few Republican-stronghold princincts reporting would make it seem like Bush is doing better than he is. The exit polls are of course unofficial and could be wrong, but they're probably a better indicator than the results of ~30% of princincts actually reporting.
I was looking forward to getting my updates from Drudge, but the website has been down all day. Anyone know the skinny?
Given such a broken electoral system, I see nothing morally wrong with voting tactically.
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...if you don't vote with integrity. If you feel that Nader is the candidate who has the best ideals, policies, attitude and ethics, then vote for him.
Voting for an undesirable candidate because he's less undesirable than the alternate isn't democracy in action: it's a perversion, a mockery, an abomination of what democracy is meant to be.
Get out there and vote for the *best* candidate! It's the only hope you have for saving your nation!
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Wow, so I've been working for American companies all these years because they have .com addresses?
And here I was, thinking that they were Canadian all this time, just because we were headquartered here.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I bet you think that U-571 was historically accurate, too.
make up your mind. cuba or succession...? or are you going to be ambitious and try to do both?
"onward!" cried the copper man, little knowing brass corrupts...
I'm a first-time voter, and i'm really wondering what significance my vote has. I'm one of the few of my friends that actually drove back home (from college) to vote. They cited the way the electoral college is used as their reason for not voting. How much weight does my vote have on determining the president? Is the electoral college bound in any way by the popular vote? Why is the electoral college being used, if essentially, with the prominence of computers, the popular vote could be tallied relatively quickly? Who really picks our president? Thanks...
//radiotakeover.
Yup, you heard it here. This Green Massachusetts liberal voted Libertarian because Ten Kennedy is a dufus. He didn't deserve to win that election, but he won by default. Still, I'm glad Howell won some votes. I voted Nader in the general election and have promised myself I'll vote for Greens, Independants, and Libertarians in that order... screw the Democrats and Republicans.
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Actually, a few basic statistical principals show that once you have even a few thousand votes the chances of the winner being different from the one predicted is incredibly small--essentially, the odds go down by a factor of two for every additional vote on one side or another. This does assume that the votes are counted in no particular order, a reasonable assumption for each state race but not for the electoral college (coast are democratic, central states aren't, polls close progressivly)
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Well, I thought I found it here but wouldn't you know the 11th district is the only one that doesn't appear to be updating.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
hehe. I mentioned to my mom this morning that the reason the polls close at 7 is because the old people get tired :)
It's not a matter of dumb people down south, but rather they are more religious. Some people confuse religious with stupid. This is easy to do.
I voted for Bush, but I'm atheist. I guess that makes me stupid :)
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Presidential Election 2000 Florida
Tuesday November 7 9:55 PM ET
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Electoral Vote: 25
50% reporting
Al Gore, Dem 1,280,948 - 46%(declared winner)
George W. Bush, GOP 1,416,422 - 51%
I didn't have to have any sort of card to vote. I went to the polling place, gave them my name. They did nothing to verify this. They gave me a ballot. I voted. I found it very unsettling. When they looked me up, I saw they still had my sister in the book of voters. She moved years ago. I thought it was wierd.
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Anyone else tired of listen to a certain stations "projected electorial votes"? It is annoying! And what is this about a decieced man on the ballots in St. Louis??
Exactly - Bush lost my vote on day one because of this issue...what a freakin psycho
ok?
The national vote is still very much up in the air. Right now, there are 119 electoral votes for Gore and 124 for Bush.
Many states won't close the polls for hours.
How is this wrapping up!?
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Yahoo is good for that sort of thing:
US overview here
State-by-state breakdown here
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Hmmm... Gore 182... now that's a Punk band that'll bore you to death...
I hate to agree with davecrazy but...
Based on two samples in our center (1 MacOS Mac/G4, 1 W2K P3), the NPR Quicktime stream is smoother and better sounding than the Real stream on both MacOS and W2K. We've only heard a couple of small pauses in the QT stream, while the Real stream constantly drops out. To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if NPR's Real server is getting hit a lot harder than the QT. I'd be interested in a technical post mortem from NPR's server admins.
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Nah.
You have the Republicans who think that Clinton is the antichrist and Gore is antichrist jr., they will stop at nothing to get them out of office.
Then you have the Democrats who all think that if Bush gets elected we will not be able to get abortions anymore and have to say a prayer everytime we enter a school. Most unspeakable.
Is that caring about government? Maybe, I think these people are taking this stuff way out of proportion and ignoring all the real issues.
Q.
Don't blame it on me, I voted for Kang.
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
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What bullshit!
And the brethren went away edified.
cnn is messed
Does anyone know the outcome of the Alabama vote to eliminate its constitutional ban on interracial marriage?
What does it say when you lose your own home state?
A comment on Bush's leadership abilities? Just a bit...
Exit polls show Gore winning because he is getting a majority of the female, latino, african-american, and oriental vote. therefore off the districts already counted and the results of the exit polls they are using statistical reckoning and showing a Gore victory
CNN declared Gore the winner in the state of Florida in a 50%-48% win, with only FIVE percent of the results in. Currently, they still have him declared as the winner, but Bush is WINNING the state despite this, again, 50%-48%, with closer to half the results in. Check out cnn.com for full details. Is this fair at all? Irresponsable speculation could very well influence the election results.
Yes, it's full of typo's. I'm in a hurry, so people might actually read this.
From World Net Daily, this article talks about how data from a different level of government is being used by the Clinton/Gore administration to sway the vote of people who's residancy status is not yet confirmed!
-- DuckWing
I just thought I'd make my own follow-ups. CNN got their act together, and even Larry King is making fun of them. And moderators, you suck. =)
I wonder how many people would give a false indication of how they voted to someone conducting an exit poll?
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Showing up only to wait in line and waiting that line out long enough to vote are two different things. I would think that the latter is a more reliable indicator of voters' dedication to the "democratic process" :)
Who wins California, wins the election.. its clear now. And it was traditionally democarat's state, no?
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Tell it, brother.
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Update
What the hell?! The unofficial vote counts are very in favor of Bush, in FL and MI now. Its like they aren't even paying attention to their figures..
Quid rides ignare?
As I see it Gore now (21:46 EST) has 192 electoral votes. This, plus the 72 combined votes of the three west cost states (California, Washington, and Oregon), gives him the 270 needed to win.
Congratulations Al.
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voter.com projected 230-232 without the 'battleground sates'... with Gore taking Fla, PA and MI it is ALL OVER.
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All the education tax credits we have now came in the last 4 years. 99% of open source software is made possible by those education loans and tax credits.
I distinctly heard him say close only counts for hand-grenades and horse shoes.
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People who violate the social contract (ie criminals) don't have any rights because they violated other's rights in the commission of their crime. Since voting is a priviledge under the social contract and since said contract has been violated felons have no right to get the benefits.
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The Muppets Explain IRV !
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IRV is fair for ALL, - it's TRULY NON-PARTISAN!
Yay! It looks like Bush will lose! Whew, that was a close one! Or is that what they wanted us to think? Mwaa-hahahahahaha!
Your vote is only wasted if it doesn't reflect your true feelings. The ones with your heart & logic, not the wallet & rich religious leaders! The environment is more important than corporations...
precincts reported vs exit polls...
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
Really, I haven't seen the results yet.
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If bush wins im movin to cuba! VIVA LOS TACOS!
"Think, It aint illegal.....yet" - George Clinton
I think the reason the voter turnout is so high is because A LOT more people wanted to be a little more cautious so we won't get another Clinton. Or they are really wanting another Clinton. It goes both ways. Clinton unintentionally put a lot more veiws in peoples minds on what happens when you vote, or don't vote. That's why more people really researched thier candidates this year! That is also why it is much closer.
The Texan voter's dilemma is an interesting one... do we vote Bush out of office, or take one on the chin for America by keeping him here?
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Go ahead, blame me... I voted for Nader!
Another interesting thing is the type of candidate we get. Our federal elections, though on the outside may appear to be a personality conest, in the end, our citizens do vote for the person who can get the job done. Our current Prime Minister (John Howard), is deemed by many to be pretty much a joke. Gosh knows how many times he's embarrased himself, yet he gets the job done. The opposition leader (Kim Beazley), on the other hand, is the most cuddly, adorable person in politics, yet, in the end, he lost an unlosable election (the main issue was tax reform, during which the opposition campainged a whole lot of FUD, yet when the system came into place this year, the general verdict was, 'hey, it's actually pretty good!').
I think it's a shame that the US elections are a personality contest. Clearly Gore is the right man for the job. Though he may appear robotic in exterior, he doesn't seem to be the sort of person who'll muck things up. Being the most powerful country in the world, the US simply cannot afford having a person with little expertise at the helm. I also think that it's an even bigger shame that there will be some people who won't take advantage of the opportunity to vote simply because the weather may not be in their favour, hence potentially jeapordising the outcome. if I'm not mistaken, the average turnout is about 50%. That really is an appalling figure. For a nation of people renouned for their patriotism, it is quite sad that half of them don't care who's in charge.
I have no need of Barbie dolls (unlike you, it seems). And who said anything about being funny? I'm merely a Fan. I'm paying homage to the Troll master. You should too. You will feel better when you admit that:
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Their info isn't as up to date as it claims to be, it still says that Bush won Florida.
My Friends! Ahahaa! The end is near... As of theis moment (Tue. Nov. 7, 2000 9:49pm east.) Gore is winning! 192 electoral votes to 185!! Whether you like Gore, Nader or (shudder) Bush, you need to look at our site!!! www.FearBush.com Its an awesome site with links quotes, and more!!!!
Yes, I know they're using proven statistical methods to make the projections. But there is that tiny little margin of error...
To email, do the obvious.
That is awesome! Unfortunately the Libertarians aren't doing so well in NC. Then again, most of our polls aren't reporting yet. Our Libertarian for Senate only has 2% so far.
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I have a website. It's about Macs.
The best map I have found would be this one:
/ index.html
http://cbsnews.com/campaign2000results/election
If you update it regularly, it seems to be faster than CNN!
Also check out the Iowa Electronic Market. They have legal gambling on the election. And the current prices on this link: http://128.255.244.60/quotes/29.html can essentially be interpreted as probability of winning.
as long as the economy is strong (even if growth slows, as long as it doesn't stop) i'm happy. i don't care if the president kills every baby he sees, as long as the stock market goes up.
How insipidly vacuous can you get? And this was rated as insightful. How sad.
The system is so messed up, it will never be fixed until we all live in a totalitarian state. Of course, by then the guns will be all locked up, but that's OK because we will have all voted for it every step of the way.
We are so incredibly stupid. Watch the media circus and vote for the choices presented. Ignore the men behind the curtain. It's so stupidly pointless I don't see why anybody bothers.
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Most all news stations have reverted Florida to being too close to call (10:21pm). And Bush took New Hampshire and Missouri, while Gore has Michigan and Pennsylvanis. It's extremely close, and extremely frightening, but hopefully you'll be correct.
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im an idiot....its FearBush.com not".cm sorry! :)
Am I the only person who thinks this is a little pathetic
Microsoft(tm) - a particular virulent virus that has infected most Pc's.
What sites aren't handling the load of the election crush...
So far, I can't get into cbsnews.com except for once in the past three hours.
cnn.com -- been humming along without any problems.
msnbc.com -- a real mess. 90% of the time I try, it won't load...
Slashdot .. er, still going! :)
Hmmm... using Netscape 4.x of Linux, the ABC informs me that Bush has 73569556% of the vote, Gore has 56601243%, and Buchanan has 43180%. Talk about an exciting race!
Or maybe it's just a formatting and/or math problem...
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Try clicking the "Polls" link in the slashbox (next to "Results")
http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?
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Just as a humorous aside in my sister's 9th grade history class they did a election with all candiates and the breakdown was like this 16 Bush 7 Gore 3 Nader 3 Jigglypuff That's right Nader is as popular as Jigglypuff (of Pokemon Fame) as far as a candiate
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I'll second *this* opinion of yours, and in force ... not just insightful, but insightful(x3) ... egad. Vacuous and targeted at the wrong audience -- it's not like Congress reads Slashdot or anything :)
Yet another bit of plaintive wailing written out in choppy sentences. I can maybe understand one person marking it insightful, but the snowball effect is jarring.
Talking down to (absent) officials of both political parties as though their behaviors are but expressions of childish instincts, thinking that our elected representatives need only be chided to put things right again, not considering for a moment that there was no single reason for the Presidential investigation (to lift one example), but rather, many ...
*sigh* I think I've been second-hand trolled :)
Did you vote today? Come tell your voting story in the {fray} ! This is the site that Jon Katz mentioned earlier today, where we're collecting stories from Election 2000. Come and share yours!
(And, yes, I know, I'm just promoting my site. But hey, at least it's on topic!)
I'm watching CBS, and they have Florida and Michigan for Gore, even though Bush is head in those states. When they called Michigan, it was literally "The polls have just closed in Michigan, and we're giving it to Gore." I believe it was New Hampshire that was called for Gore, even though it was 48% to 48%. Don't you just love a liberal media? That's why I don't usually watch CBS, cable is gone though, so no Fox News.
My mistake. take all of my references to house and change them to senate. Thanks to sneak241 for the heads up...
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The 1993 election was 7 weeks.
The 1997 election was 6 weeks.
The 2000 election is 5 weeks.
At the rate this is going, in 2016 (or 2012, or 2020 for that matter) we'll be voting the day after the Governor General dissolves Parliament.
But at least our vote counts for something, unlike the Electoral College, in which the popular vote can mean, quite literally, nothing at all.
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Check out Michigan, all the networks have Gore picked to win. Even CNN is picking Gore to win Michingan who is also reporting Bush ahead 53% to 45%!!! That's with 20% of the vote!! Do they have a legitimate reason for this or are they just plain stupid???
Honestly...what do we need this topic for?
The Telegraph has this nice equal-area graphic that lets you see which states have declared and compare the number of college votes visually.
I dont understand this, but they are calling Gore in Michigan, But Bush has 53% of the Vote compared to 45%?!?!?
/. campus has anything to do with this?!??
I wonder if the
salon has many AP and salon articles, and a map, too. politics section of salon.
Whaddayamean, "no choice??!?!"
;)
We've got a rich white guy in his 50s vs. a rich white guy in his 50s, debating about whether we should cut taxes, or whether taxes should be cut; whether there should be a prescription drug benefit as part of Medicare, or whether Medicare should pay for prescription drugs; whether the military should get bigger, or whether the military should be increased in size, etc.
There's lots of choice! Just not according to the news!
I personally voted libertarian.
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That's what they say.. currently 10pm est, bush has 1408647 or 51% and gore has 1282304 or 47%, and they say he wins.. mustn't have counted Miami yet.. Exit polls are being used, I suppose.
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Stop the brainwash
And no don't mention the drug problem there are far more substantive issues than drugs to worry about like Social Security and various international issues and obove all taxes.
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Bush is winning in states he's supposed to win. Gore is winning some states that were up for grabs like Florida & Michigan. This is according to NPR.
www.npr.org
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Just so you know, I *am* watching the election. I'd vote Nader or Gore, but alas I'm Canadian.
Most other people Iv'e talked to (here in Toronto) would do the same.
Looks like I was way to slow with that 1st post.
Got unlucky 13th instead. Uh oh... maybe Bush will win.
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Ahh, but if you look closely at the county level results, you would see that populous counties in Florida like Broward, Orange, and Palm Beach, Gore is winning by a 2 to 1 margin (read:landslide), and only 20ish percent of those counties precincts are reporting.
For example:
De Soto County
73 % of Precincts reporting:
Gore 1,477 votes
Bush 1,653 votes
Broward County
22% of Precincts reporting:
Gore 67,866 votes
Bush 38,476 votes
So as you can see, Bush is marginally winning in the more rural areas (that have finished reporting, and don't have a whole lot of votes), but Gore is winning comfortably in the urban areas (which have a whole lot of votes, and it will take longer to count that many votes).
Hope that helps explain the Too close to call/undecided prediction for Florida. I imagine that the other states that are undecided may have the same thing happening for either candidate.
The news media can't shut up.
They're sitting there in front of the cameras, with live mic's in their faces, and they gotta talk...
So they keep saying *something* even though what they're saying is based on complete conjecture.
A lot of what they're saying is based on exit polls; a significant number of people resent being exit-polled, and lie!
It's basically a pissing contest between CNN and NBC and blahblahblah...
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WTF? If you were realistic, you would realize that the probability that your vote is going to affect the outcome of an election with a hundred million voters is as close to zero as anything you've ever seen. You are much more likely to be run over by a car on your way to the voting booth. Strategic voting is nonsense, just vote for whomever you think is best.
Oh, by the way, it will be so funny tomorrow morning, once Bush has won, and the "strategic" Gore voters realize that they wasted their votes for fucking nothing.
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I'll have to take your word for it. I didn't notice that earlier, and now my Fox affiliat seems to be having "Newsradio" cover the election. I'll watch for a laser pointer on the radio.
Okay, why is NBC using a whiteboard on someone's knee to show the latest tally? It is kind of retro...
the major networks just pulled florida from Gore and set it back to undecided. too close to decide just yet...
The absentee votes will make a big difference in Florida. Remember that many of the members of our military are overseas and thus voting absentee and are also based out of Florida. A good percentage of those in the military are Republican, so this will make a large difference in Florida (and other states with large military populations that are currently overseas). As of 9:51 ET, Florida has Bush at 51% and Gore at 47%, but all the media outlets have Gore as the winner.
I'm afraid 133t j03 turns his nose up at your ugliness, however, so just drop it! I'm not going to introduce you to him nomatter how much you spread your legs for me or beg. Now leave me alone.
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at etv.go.com. I don't know how they do it, but the web page is in sync with the TV show. Cool!
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Keep your eye on the Battle Ground states that are won like Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Missouri. These are states that are to statistcally close to call but were leaning slightly towards Gore.
You will notice that most of the Strong Bush States are going Bush but the first of the needed Battleground States (Florida) has been taken by Gore.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out because I was doing a little math and if the Really close gore Leaning states go Gore instead of Bush... the Gore Finishes with 280 Electoral votes... but not necesarily a majority of the popular vote.
As I was casting my vote today in Washington state, I was looking at all the third party candidates, and thinking how little of an impact they're having on a close race like this. Even Nader and Buchanan's numbers are adding up to 2% at the moment.
Right... Napster, Copyrights, Patent laws, all that political stuff is behind you for the next four years until the next opportunity to put a mark on a piece of paper....
I'm Canadian, so our election is still a few weeks away.
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73569556% should be 735695 absolute votes, 56 percent.
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Salon has an electoral vote map here . They've been sluggish about updating it though.
NPR also has ongoing coverage, and it's quite good. You can just turn on your local NPR affiliate, or listen to it on the web NPR
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I didn't watch the lower channels on Satellite and I never once saw a political ad. :) I stayed on the sci-fi channel, the Cartoon network, and the History Channel, etc.
:)
Of course I did vote. But I'm gonna find a way to pass the time while waiting for Hawaii to get done voting.
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I guess you've never watched election coverage before, eh? Hardly ever do they wait on even 50% of precincts reporting. The reason Florida's "call" got switched back to undecided is because west florida's votes hadn't come in at all yet. We won't know 100% for a few days probably, what with absentee ballots and all, and people are just hungry for something, anything- and that's exactly what they get.
Be a moderator, not a brick.
Also, I voted the Progressive Anthony Pollina for Governor- he got 10%! That's damn good- that's about 10X any of the other third party candidates.
By all means go to sleep for another 4 years, CmdrTaco- that sounds nice. Us third party loonies are not going to go to sleep- the Presidential race in particular is a Pyrrhic victory no matter who wins, and we need to do better than that next time, assuming we _get_ a next time. I for one am _sold_ on Voting For (and will never 'vote against' again). Who knew? It looks like every third party candidate I voted for (Progressive/Green in Vermont) got a _big_ chunk of the mainstream, easily enough to swing an election. It's about being noticed. You ask Gush or Bore, "You wouldn't want, oh, 7% of an edge in your race?" You ask the Vermont gubernatorial candidates from the major party if they are paying attention to the _10%_ neither of them got because Pollina grabbed it. A lot of the third party results are like "Baz Foobar, 0% (27 votes)"... but NOT all of them.
don't get me started on fucked up religious people that think you should run your life
A lot of them do think they should be able to run your life. But at least they don't have the power to actually do so. Every other case you mention either involves direct government action against you (Carnivore), or government explicitely allowing criminal acts to occur (chemical plants).
It's perfectly okay for people to tell you what to do. It is NOT okay for them to FORCE you to do what they tell you to do. Don't direct your anger at the wrong people.
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From the CNN front page
"CNN has also given Al Gore New Mexico's 5 electoral votes. Bush now has 217 electoral votes and Gore has \. In addition to Florida, the highly competitive st.."
Gore has Slashdot ?
Your vote doesn't determine the Presidency. Only the electoral college does. The electoral college, more often than not, goes with the popular vote of the state. Otherwise, they risk being elected out of office for "not representing their people." Personally, I don't see a reason why we are still using an electoral college. I can only say why it was used in the first place:
1. As Jesse Ventura said on Larry King Live yesterday, it was necessary back in the days when communication was done through horses and counting ballots for millions was just too much of a burden. Like you said with electronic polling, it's really unnecessary. Going through the electoral college to pick a president is like going through a horse's ass.
2. There was a time when illiteracy rate was high. Politicians decided that presidential decision should be left to the "pros" and not to the uneducated and uninformed. Today, with our great public education system, illiteracy is still high but we have T.V. I think every American can get enough information about the candidates before choosing their President.
3. It's another form of checks and balances. The President will have to work with the Senate and the House of Reps. If he/she pisses all of them off (on a continuous basis), the Senate and House can get rid of him/her. However, I think if the people like the President, then the hell with what the Senate and House think.
Most Americans already feel alienated from Washington. The electoral college is just another layer between the people and politicians that we should get rid off. Of course, try convincing your Senator or House Representative to strip themselves of this power in determining the President. It's almost like asking them to pass a bill to take a pay dock.
Mr. I-Invented-The-Internet couldn't even carry his own state. Sad, but they must really know him down there.
Looks like he may be in the lead for a while.
Monkey lover...
Actually, a few basic statistical principals show that once you have even a few thousand votes the chances of the winner being different from the one predicted is incredibly small
That only applies if the sample is unbiased, i.e. it is equally likely to pick any particular member of the sampled population.
But like-minded people cluster. For instance: voters in inner city neighborhoods may vote almost entirely Democrat while those in rural districts vote almost entirely Republican. (Or vice-versa - NOT! B-) ) Selecting a couple PRECINCTS at random is NOT an unbiased sample of VOTERS.
Further: The first precincts to report are the first ones to get their data to the counting operation. This may be small rural precincts that closed early after everybody registered had voted. Or it might be inner-city urban precincts that happened to vote at, or near, the place where votes are counted.
So early returns don't tell you anything - unless you compare them to the demographics of the precincts in question and correctly extrapolate them to the demographic mix of the entire state.
The reporting operations do - which is why you'll sometimes see early returns massively in favor of one candidate and the news services calling the election to go to the other.
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This place a whopping 54 electoral votes in the VP's column...
Seriously, you have to wonder about a state where the split is 87% Bush - 8% Nader - 3% Gore?!? - 3% Buchanan.
I'd rather have someone respond than be modded up.
CNN.com took Florida away from Gore, and shows Bush ahead by about 3%.. uh oh :(
BilldaCat
gore takes the lead with a win in california.
i'm still pulling for George though...
Joseph W. Breu
This is a perfect example of why every ISP should be multicast enabled!
Discussing the general election here at work over the last few days a lot of us seem to conclude one thing. This race would have been a heck of a lot more interesting had it come down to Bradley/McCain rather than Gore/Bush. Two candidates with divergant views and values and positions as compared to the slightly right centrist and slightly left centrist choice we have right now.
*sigh* Sadly, I wish I could have voted for Skull.
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Which one of you guys hacked the Florida Polls?
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It says: "Bush now has 217 electoral votes and Gore has \. "
OK, that's a backslashdot, not slashdot, but hey!
Screencap is here in case they fix it before you look at it.
No, I'm not making this up.
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I just helped a Progressive candidate for governor pull roughly 10% in a _close_ and hard fought gubernatorial race. (The Libertarians, in Massachusetts, damn near beat the Republican candidate for Congress- though the race predictably went to 'Teddy'. In that race the _Republicans_ were damn near the 'third party')
Get up tomorrow, read the final results for the elections and then go to whatever organizations genuinely represent you (Greens, Progressives, Libertarians, Socialist Worker Party, _whatever_) and ask them, "Now what should I do?" Start building it into your regular life that you're going to put a certain amount of effort into supporting politics you can LIKE- and you're going to see who else you can find who feels the same way.
I don't know what's more impressive, pulling 10% in a hard fought race, or nearly whipping the Republican candidate in a race where it's a foregone conclusion- but either way this illustrates the people are out there.
Let's see to it that it's ten times as many people next time- always assuming we get a next time! It must be great to roll over and go back to sleep politically, but whether it's Greens on environment issues, Libertarians on government spending or Progressives on corporate rule and correlation between work and wealth, a LOT of us just do not have that luxury. Don't just be scared- organise!
even with california, gore might not win.
this scares me.
utah's results are just plain SICK.
and nader is stuck at 2.3%
Right now, the Shrub is ahead. Does this mean we're going to be getting a run on the Canadian border by all the smart people in America?
Utah. Even though I don't like Nader (Voted Browne this time and hope to vote Ventura in 4 years)I am proud to be in the state where Gore is a third party. hehehehehehe But that Bush number does sicken me. Oh well.
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Obviously, we need one or two SlashDotters to actually look at the results as they come in, and report to the rest of us. This would lower the load on the news servers. Now, let's start electing the representatives...
Comedy Central man, Half-Baked is on. and Jon Steward on afterwards for some decent coverage for once.
Just got in to the Drudge Report at 10:33 PM EST. Says the number of hits he's gotten so far today is
2,333,736.
Heh, atleast they seem to be releazing it at this point. I think the networks are a little overzealous to declare a winner. :)
Anyway, I'm happy, Nader has 7% in MN here so he'll get his funding if the trend is the same in the other states.
We gave him 7% in Vermont...
If you've never watched The Daily Show tonight is the night.
It is THE place to get biting political comentary, it is so funny. IMHO the best show on TV.
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Just heard this, and it is REALLY a bummer for Gore supporters. In CNNs eyes, Florida, which was for Gore, is now too close to call... That means bush is up 197 to 167
CNN has taken Florida out of the Gore column, for a big hit in his ev count. Apparently they're losing confidence in their polls.
And the brethren went away edified.
I noticed the same thing....currently 52% of the votes are counted. Bush 51% Gore 47% The only reason I can think than Gore was picked so early and continues to be is the exit poll. (Check them out on CNN). It favors Gore big time. Maybe the popular votes that haven't been counted are in Democratic areas, or maybe they just f'ed up. That's the problem with polls, there is always room for error.
.. but not because of issues. Rather, it is because he is the tallest candidate, and has the best hair. (He invented hair!)
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So what if Gore wins Florida? All that means is that he isn't totally out of it. He will still need a hell of a lot of luck to win.
I don't think there is really any doubt about which way this election will go. Bush is going to win, and the margin will not be narrow.
Republicrats 1, American People 0.
It really doesn't matter who wins, because in the end it will still be politics as usual, just leaning a little more towards big business with Bush, and more towards censorship with Gore.
I voted Libertarian myself, but it won't mean much overall.
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Personally, I think it's just a ploy by the university of Alaska to raise their enrolment.
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But being in Texas, maybe we can get ship Bush away. This sucks. I'm either stuck with Bush as a president or Bush as a Governor. Never thought I'd say this, but i'm up to my neck in Bush! I want Clinton back. I don't mind if Monica comes back too.
Can you say wecho-wecho-wecho-wecho-wecho-wecho
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I'm really regretting the fact that I didn't register at the moment. I haven't exactly followed the race until recently, and I've ignored politics ever since the government shut down a few years ago, the results of which affected me not at all.
The way I see it, if Bush gets in, we're completely fucked. All of us- not just the states. The man is a complete idiot that would be handed the reigns to the largest armed force and nuclear arsenal in history- culpable enough to serve as puppets for a republican controlled congress.
Whoever gets it is going to be appointing several supreme court justices, meaning we'll be dealing with the legacy for the next twenty to thirty years, if not longer.
Republicans in the house and senate.. a republican president... a republican supreme court... Fruit of the Reagan/Bush era come back to haunt us.
If Gore gets it, whoop. I'll breath a sigh of relief, wake up and drink my breakfast. Life goes on.
But really, the idea of Bush getting the crown and being handed the keys to the empire... with the world situation being what it is, the shift in social structure brought on by greed, technology and pending regulation.... the best years of our lives may very well be behind us.
Do we really want Big Government in control of our lives?
In four years, will we even have the capacity to object?
Gore or Bush?
Let's put it in perspective:
Herpes or Syphallis?
Does everyone realize that we could have neither canidate with 270 electoral votes?
Using CNN's current listings, if Bush takes CO, AR,FL,NV, and OR, giving him 267 EV's. And Gore takes AZ, IA, WI, CA, WA, AK, and HI giving him 265 EV's.
This would give neither canidate 270 EV's. It's my understanding (I very well may be wrong) that neither canidate would have the sufficent EV's to become president. If this is correct... What happens????
"Madness and Genius are separated solely by Degrees of Success." -Unknown
What a shame. It was a funny episode, but they could have filled another hour with just being silly with results. Too bad.
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They say they are going to carry 5 or 6 of the last 10 states.
Does anyone else think that the electoral college needs to be axed?
Joseph W. Breu
has anyone noticed that CNN reports Gore at 231 EVs when the website reports 230?
Ok, who has the off-by-one error?
Joseph W. Breu
Either way you look at it, both candidates are really unattractive and ratty. You could at least hope that presidential candidates would have the courtesy of looking cute/pretty...sigh...
i mean....shit..?!!?
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Anyone keeping track if Nader has the 5% the Green Party needs?
If you get all your info from the 11 o'clock news or slashdot I can understand but there are real and substantitive issues that are big enough that there is a real chance to deal with them at the polls. Try to look at the The News Hour with Jim Lehrer a bit and tell me that that's what people are deciding on. In fact do a little research on thomas and tell me that the democratic and republican parties are all the same. Some people really have to have some extreme wackos calling for all sorts of thigs to think that they have a choice when the differences are like the difference between fine wines.
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Okay, so I see this headline on CNN or MSNBC,(I don't remember which) that FL is keeping its polls open later, but both media bastards have GORE as the winner!? But now, the unofficial vote count has Bush in first. Its very annoying, the networks should wait till 100% of precincts in a state report in before it jumps the gun and awards a state to the possibly wrong candidate!
Quid rides ignare?
Since most of your scrawny websites seem to be falling over, you might want to try the BBC site for election coverage ... since we're all asleep now and don't really care much which right wing business stooge you elect, it isn't getting too many hits.
I was kinda pissed. I had figured out which candidate that nearest fit my views, which was Dr. Hagelin. I go to the polls here in Austin, TX to find that i can't even write him in because Buchanan took the independant slot (in otherwords if i had written him it really would be throwing the vote away because they wouldn't even keep track). So i voted for my second choice Gore, though it doesn't mean a damn thing here in republican central... aka TEXAS
For those who don't know, the position of Governer here in Texas has less to do with control of the local Govt compared to position of Lt. Govn. (Rick Perry) which does all the decision making.
/end rant
The CNN results get updated every few minutes.
What happened to Drudge Report, who swore on reporting election results throughout the day (before the polls closed in each state)? It's been down all day.
Nuff said.
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
At this time(2030 EST), the race is still too close to call.
In the next few hours, a President will be elected. It'll be George W Bush or Al Gore.
No matter who it is, let's not make the same mistakes we made last time.
Let the new guy do his job. Let's not pick through his sexual past. Let's not drool over blue dresses, and piccadilloes that no one really cares about.
Congress, stop playing like a bunch of whiny crybabies. Work positively, not negatively. Don't investigate the President. Leave him be. You blew too much money on absolutely nothing. Let it go.
If your party gets defeated, take it. Deal with it. Work to make the country better. Five year olds hold grudges - not the men we put in office.
This time, let's come behind our President. He really is OUR President. He may belong to one party or the other, but he is ours. Support him as much as you can. You can disagree, but he is our symbol.
Good luck to all.
Hey don't forget... GW has a brother who's also a governor. don't promise what you can't stop from happening all over again!!!
EOM
But still- good job! Also, I think we can boast that we fought a harder fight- Vermont is _split_ by our pioneering Civil Unions law (allowing marriagelike legal status for gay and lesbian couples) and the governor's race was fought brutally. There are 'Take Back Vermont', 'Take Vermont Forward' signs _everywhere_. By contrast, the reason you Libertarians kicked the Republican's butt so hard is he was running against Ted Kennedy :)
Still, it gives you a warm feeling to see either Dems or Reps taking third place or desperately struggling to avoid that fate. Keep it up, and beat the Republican next time- when Teddy gets old and too vague for politics you can pounce :)
Meanwhile, it looks like it's going to be like armwrestling here in Vermont, and that's cool too...
I havent had any problems with any news sites, other than the ridiculous projections 'seesawing;' What will be interesting is the kind of post-election reaction that will come from such a close race... especially if there really is a huge jump in participation, as well, this year. Doesnt a tie SCREAM Choose and Lose? (CC's DS InDecision 2000 was great) Here in Bush territory (SC)... 580k Bush, 440k Gore 85% reporting... I hope Bush loses.
I DID do something about it! My brother, Bill Healy, is running for Washington State Representative as a Libertarian! http://www.electbillhealy.org (i made the webpage :)
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Now this isn't my words, but someone who wants to remain anonymous.
With the election of a figurehead used by the American senate to attempt the facade of caring for the American people in both local and global affairs...
May take this time to say, our saintest candidate is FICTIONAL, I refer to the Duke2000 campaign...
If he had a body of a substance of any material, besides pen, paper, and creativity... he would be our safest bet to send into office, now, I'm not going to go into the cons and cons of the two main candidates this year, or the pros of any third party, because lets face it, our main candidates have both contributed to the least socialy apealing election in a long time if ever. And for those of you who say "what about a third party?" Well its time you face it America is a two pary system with a couple Media-whores along for the ride.
Back to the subject at hand though, I encourage all you poor souls to read the back strips of a comic strip known as Doonsbury, and tell me with all honestey that Duke does not have a sane case... Anyone that can campaign through rural USA and completely pass up the small towns because they just aren't noticable, anyone that can atempt to crash politcal conventions Mission Impossible style, anyone that can come up with that clever of media hooks and scandals to grab atention in the 11th hour, it takes a noticible candidate like that to grab the attention, of the average citizen... also, to encourage the younguns, by explaining taxes in a family sense, nothing grabs the future voters like explaining taxes as billions of dollars put away for little billy...
Now the point has been made, any candidate of any genus able to formulate words, of any gender: male, female. 80/20*, anyone with ideals like this, can easily run and sway the masses, to become our next scandal-ridden figurehead to the entire free-world... With politics like this, why even stop at one large Super-Power, use it as a springboard to launch a attempt at becoming the evil overlord, for a NWO that rules the entire world, exactly as every conspiracy theory details.
and yes, this is just boredom, if anyone has been offended I humbly apologize.
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Duke for Pres, them Evil Overlord of the world, and finaly CEO of the illuminati!!!
*A reference to a link on the Portal of Evil awhile back ago. After all, transgendered bunny girls have rights too!
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He is jealous of 133t j03's Porsche, Ferrari, H4x0r1ng business, millionaire status, willing female partners (most of them Chanel models) etc etc
He wants to defame and usurp 133t j03. But he won't! Why? Because:
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He has been posting early, and he's been right on almost every call.
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We in Vermont voting Progressive did almost as well for the governor's seat:
Democrat: 53%
Republican: 36%
Progressive: 10%
(from the Burlington Free Press site)
I'll concede we didn't split the opposing vote half as well as you guys did, but you've also answered one question of mine- in Vermont, Libertarians made an awful showing, very little turnout. I wondered what happened to them. Clearly they were all in New Hampshire! And doing themselves proud- good job :)
Tip of the hat from one third-partyite to another!
I agree, FOX has been "projecting" out thier asses for 2 hours now, and there is still 3 hours left! Not fair for the west cost...
Yes 'Half-Baked' RULES.
You know it's good s!@t, when it makes you float!
A few hours grace before the madness begins again.
The major news sites are all covering the results, but they are also really bogged down.
You think the majors are bogged?
Matt Drudge promised to break the embargo by reporting exit poll data before the polls close. But I haven't been able to get his site to respond with a page for more than 6 hours. (Last success was at 11:15 PST, or 2:15 PM EST.)
Site responds to pings, though. (Paranoia strikes: Maybe somebebody doesn't like Matt reporting results before poll closing. B-) )
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Hooray for Gore!
The Libertarians didn't get enough press. I saw Harry Browne on TV *once* this whole campaign.
CNN's election results for the 11th congressional district in Virginia don't even show the Libertarian candidate. Come on! There were only 4 candidates for that seat. You don't have enough space to show 4 lousy candidates? I know he's not going to win, but if people saw the names of 3rd party candidates, and saw how many votes they got, it might make them curious.
Does anybody know where I can get ALL the results for VA 11th district?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I just can't deal with the fact that I have to hear more soundbites of Hillary Clinton on NPR for another 6 years...sigh. Lazio must be a complete idiot.
Might have just lost Florida for Gore...Have we seen an example of this yet?
F*ck..
Can you say "right-wing dictatorship"?
Well, you may have to learn how to...
t_t_b
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As I write this, all the networks are pretty much calling Florida a toss-up.
"..yeah, and if frogs had sidepockets, they'd carry handguns." "It's not over until the heavy lady sings. But somewhere backstage, we can definately hear her humming." He's either going senile and forgot his medecine, got tenure, getting fired tonight, or all three!
I was watching the elections tonight at work.
(hehe tech support at an ISP)
Anyway, I was really amazed at how the states would go in.. (like Gore getting Florida) then they would be removed. Don't these places (like CNN) have better sources of information? SHEESH!
That's so fucked up. I wasn't asked for an id today either and I was about to go back inside and remind the so called election judges that they should do their damn jobs and stop reading Stephen King.
I was wrong, Gore is getting the chick vote, if the exit polls are accurate.
Just goes to show how much I know about what women find attractive... (or, of course, the whole "majority resorting to primitive instincts" theory is wrong)
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Sure, with the chick vote making the difference, usually it's the taller guy, but Al Gore has the personality and charm of a wooden plank.
Let's say roughly 90% of people are too dumb to follow the issues. The 45% dopey men are influenced by a variety of factors, but mostly it's pack-think and they vote for the man they'd like as the captain of their football team; the important thing here is that the male candidates understand these factors, and the Democrats and Republicans are about equally good at fighting over them. The 45% dopey women judge the men as members of the opposite sex, and vote for the one they'd rather mate with, which usually means the better looking one, but they must be able to have some sort of emotional connection, and Al Gore has no warmth. The candidates don't understand the women's vote as well, which is why it tends to be the deciding factor.
Don't laugh, I'm not joking: Clinton got in last time on "bad boy" sex appeal.
As for the 10% of men and women bright enough to form a reasoned opinion based on the issues, they are irrelevant when the other 90% are voting Gore or Bush (who are pretty much the same). They are bright enough to recognize that there aren't enough of them to bring in another party, and try to shift the balance; once you decide that you have to choose the lesser of two evils, there's so little to recommend either one that this vote is split, too (and a significant number end up just saying "to hell with it, I'd rather pretend it's meaningful and vote for who I really want", or just choosing not to vote).
Democracy just doesn't work.
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Though I did take a run by the Canadian immigration site to see what it would take. Turns out I have enough points (profession, education, etc.) that it'd be almost a given :-).
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Things aren't shaping up good. BUSH JUST WON BOTH DAKOTAS!!!! At least they didn't go for Beuchannan or something... for the people that were wondering about the small % of precincts, I think they're saying that they won the state because of the exit polls. Just a coupla seconds ago, they said Hillary won NY, but I really couldn't care less about NY. Almost as little as the Dakotas. =)
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I live in upstate New York, which is having huge turnout. I went to the polls already being told by the media that Gore would win by a landslide.
There are two reasons why I voted this morning.
1. Cast a vote for a third party canidate (Browne) to voice my dis-taste of the "system."
2. The reason most people in my area were voting, who would not normally be...to vote against Hillary, who will most likley win due to the New York City vote. It is sad that so many people in my area will be voting only because they hate Hillary, and wish she would go back to Arkansas, DC, or where ever she came from. Once you rule out party line republicans, and people who hate hillary, you have very few people who actually LIKE lazio.
fuck...the Hillary win was just announced...anyway...
Lazio is getting 40% percent of the vote...with almost NO REAL VOTES! How sad is that! ok, the hillary win has me pissed off and I'm not longer writting very well any longer...I'll post something else later once I cool off.
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Bush is sweeping through the South like a tornado through a trailer park.
God I love Dan Rather, no other anchor has the balls to say weird shit like that...
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It seems that all the good websites with up-to-date election information are bogged down and loading incredibly slowly. Voters.com seems to have crashed, and the msnbc.com site is constantly getting the error "we are getting too much traffic right now". Anyone know of a decent site that actually loads with up-to-date election info? Thanks.
"there is no truth, there is only you, and what you make the truth"
I live in NH but apparently all my news stations are broadcast from MA. Interesting results in a Congressional seat:
Democrat (Kennedy, duh): 74%
Republican: 13%
Libertarian: 12%
Wow! That's the kind of numbers that get parties and issues noticed!
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The Onion's election coverage.