RE: Hayao Miyazaki makes some of the most family friendly and most touching films.
So what? He's still a voyeuristic pederast like many of his contemporaries. Walt Disney made some nice films but it didn't change the fact that he was a virulent anti-Semite.
RE: His Spirited Away was awarded Oscar for Best Animated Film.
Would this be the same Hollywood that supports Roman "drugged and raped a little girl" Polanski?
RE: It's not Japanese culture that is sick, it's American. A sick mixture of sexual innuendo and sexual inhibitions. Britney Spears is OK, salivating for Olsen twins is just fine, but panty shots of girls are sick. Psychiatrists have a name for it - it's "schizophrenia".
I'm not for Olsen Twins or Britney Spears either. We need to cleanse our culture of this kind of vileness.
RE: I agree with you here. But what if a child is willing to get into that situation himself.
That doesn't make it right to exploit that for selfish purposes or to get kids involved in stuff they have no business in either. My three year old son would really like to ride my Harley Davidson. He's not old enough to yet, not legally and he doesn't have the balance to stay on, never mind the neck strength to keep from being killed or worse in an accident. So like a mature adult, I say NO.
RE: I am not saying that all kids do it, I am not saying it is always beneficial, what I am saying is that this is happening and apparently it's no big deal.
No, it is a big deal. What people do vs what they should do are two different things.
RE: So what if some kid wants to have sex with a consenting adult? How is the sex different? All the arguments that you can state against it apply equally well in the situation of sex between children. And we have already established that it is ok, fine, legal and acceptable, even if not very good.
No, I said age appropriate - not acceptable or good. It's one thing to be 15 and with someone of the same age group. It's another to be 29 trolling for 14 year olds.
RE: in most cases there are no STDs. In most cases there is no lifelong trauma.
You naive fool. I will find the studies and present them to you. But suffice it to say this sort of thing leaves lifelong scars. Ask Alanis Morrissette, who regrets being tossed around, as a willing 12 year old, between groups of predatory men even though she was willing at the time.
RE: You might want to read up on the subject. Yes, it is possible to have consensual sex with men, even if you are not gay. You can be bisexual or even straight.
What does this have to do with the discussion?
RE: No, I am not. It won't happen very soon, because some western societies are so preoccupied with pedophiles. That doesn't change the fact that sex with children is not always bad.
Murder isn't always bad, either, but we've a law against it for a damn good reason. Same as for laws that protect children.
RE: First, kids are ready for sex in the sense that they are having sex all the time.
Physically ready != emotionally ready
RE: Second, readiness is not a prerequisite. Some adults are not emotionally or economically ready for sex and its repercussions, but they are still allowed to have it.
Yer right - readiness isn't technically a prerequisite. You can always use force. As for adults - that doesn't mean they should.
RE: Third, the repercussions do not necessarily have to follow. If you use a condom or another contraceptive option,
Which can fail
RE: you can avoid pregnancy
Abortions for ten year olds. Great. That's the kind of childhood experience it'd take a liberal therapist to justify, huh?
RE: but I am confident in my ability to generally avoid them. And when I can't, I will take heed of what I am saying, thanks for the advice again.
Very good. And stay away from my kids.
RE: so I let them stay in their ghettos or wherever they usually hang.
Ah, the "you are uncultured/stupid because you do not agree with my perversion" lie. Whatever. Tell you what, you see how many people who aren't sick in the head agree with you. Very few.
RE: But first things first. I disagree with you that panty shots are unnatural. For example, Hayao Miyazaki
Don't quote the Japanese at me. As a culture it's sick. Buying used underwear from prepubescents in vanding machines... IIRC there's no age of consent at all there, which is why a lot of weird stuff, including children in bondage, is available over there. I may be wrong in this, but I don't want to investigate that avenue. All I know is that their cartoons are sick enough.
RE:I said "latent pedophile" (i.e. the guy who may not even be consciously aware of it).
Ah, the typical defence of the pervert "you mustn't like this because deep down you love it - so deep down even you don't know." Uh huh. Whatever.
RE: But they do exist. Yes, I admit that some pedophiles have psychological problems, but some do not.
You know what? There's something wrong with anyone trying to take children and put them into adult situations. Look at that kid, for example, whose father smacked him around and demanded he become this bodybuilder - making him pump iron even though his bones were still growing, etc. just so he could show him off. Likewise, sex is an adult thing - not a game. Not a pastime without consequences.
RE: It's the same as with, say, gays. You can have sex with men and not be gay,
Only in prison, maybe. If it's against your will.
RE: you can be gay and not be mentally ill (though as recently as 50 years ago homosexuallity was barbarically "treated" with sex hormones).
So, so you're saying in ten years if you get your way the idea of a forty year old with a twelve year old will be just another lifestyle choice? Over my dead body. The essential difference here, mate, is that gay men are adults. Two adult men want to do whatever they want with each other, fine. But kids are not physically or emotionally ready for this kind of thing, and they certainly aren't economically ready for some of the lifelong repercussions of their actions.
RE: It is not fully serious.:) It's half an attempt to make you angry and half a bad-taste joke.
In certain groups I travel in, you would not have been able to finish that sentence. Once again I'm not threatening you - I'm just pointing out that while you're sitting here pontificating about liberty and well in Scandinavia they believe this, and logical fallacy that most people have a sense of right and wrong and pulling children into an adult arena for your own selfish pleasure IS WRONG. And many groups of people will hurt you or worse for making those kinds of statements. Because this isn't some intellectual game or some airy conjectures about life - this is people's lives. Grow up.
Ooooh, and this is even more interesting: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=147838 5 - in which you talk of sharing everything from bukkake to child porn with your friends, and say at the end of your node that it's based on personal experience.
I think perhaps your trip is that you're some kind of libertarian or something. I think perhaps you've never had personal experience with someone who was molested, and others who went too far too soon with people old enough to know better. You seem to suggest at the end of yer node that computers will allow people to make safe kiddie porn.
As someone who regularly assists anti-kid-porn and survivors of child abuse groups, let me tell you this - the prime use of kiddie porn is for diddlers to convince other kids that it's OK to do what's being shown to them in the pictures. So kiddie porn per se is evidence of a crime, and computer generated porn something used to assist people in committing crimes. So I take a very dim view to your point of view. Perhaps this will enlighten you. But considering you're in that pit of holier than thou deviance called E2, I doubt it.
Well, well, well, isn't THIS interesting. A quick search of danila found you on everything2.
This node, http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=149432 9, speaks volumes. Not only are you aware of different child porn sites, but you argue that there's a fine line between kiddie porn and art. You even go on to suggest that thanks to computer generated porn kiddie porn as acceptable public content will be here to stay. That is sick. If you need me to argue exactly why then that goes to show me how far gone you've gone.
Other nodes on that site you wrote include instructions on hiding pornography stashes.
Hey, man, rather than lecturing me on my own psychology, which is firmly rooted in people of legal age of consent, or making suggestions I would molest my own kids, you should go see a shrink.
Alright, Danila, I'll admit that kind of comment was out of line, to some degree, but I'm entitled to get hot under the collar about it.
No, it isn't because I like little girls. I don't. My idea of a woman is a real woman, though there's a typo above I'm into a fully grown developed 20something woman. Kids don't interest me in any way - not physically, not as someone to talk to, etc. I'm very secure in this.
However, I will say this. Even if I was wired to look at a 15 year old and develop an interest, which I can certainly understand, this has to be tempered with an understanding of just how messed up things can get. Tell you what - get into a relationship with someone messed up by childhood diddling, or see at 15 your 15 year old female classmates who are supposedly mature, supposedly with it, hip and together modern women manipulated and screwed up by older men.
I've never seen a man of the age of consent, esp. in his 20s, who was interested in sniffing around the high school who didn't have some kind of serious problems relating to other people. Would I suggest it isn't possible that someone of 15 can make up her own mind and her own decisions? Nope! But two things - 1) neither of you are gonna die if you wait a few years and 2) if when she's 18 you're no longer interested in her that reveals it to be fetish, not love.
I am still not happy with your strong suggestion I molest my daughter. Either prove it or retract it. And by the way, you might get away with that in Russia, but here most people would violently assault you for making that suggestion - so in future be real careful how sarcastic you get. That's a word of advice, not a threat.
RE:Or do you mean that it is perfectly natural for a girl to wear panties, but this fact should be hidden from anyone
That's correct. Just as, people do use the bathroom and most people have rectums, but taking photos of the process isn't considered appropriate by most people.
RE: Of course. Just lake latent homosexuals are the worst homophobes. Tone down your indignation, that's giving you away.
Oh, so now I'm a closet child molestor because I disapprove of people ogling little girls? Very very interesting. I wonder if you'd have the balls to make that kind of accusation to my face, internet warrior.
If you were a 16 year old boy, I'd dicuss the difference between appropriate and inappropriate actions, and that it would be INappropriate for her to flash her skivvies onscreen even if she wanted to - because of the fact that there are adults who don't know what appropriate and inappropriate is, and direct him to the postings of the baby-diddler supporters here. I would not denigrate your age-appropriate feelings for one of your peers.
RE: What? Do you suggest that underage girls should not wear panties?
When did I say this? RE: What's wrong with panty shots, you, sicko?
Of an underage girl? Tons, especially with perverts like you around, scumbag.
RE: Do you think that they give hardons to every male? Nope, only to latent pedophiles like yourself
I'm the one arguing against em. You're the one arguing for being able to diddle a six year old. Now shut up and stick your head in the oven and get out of our gene pool.
I don't see Emma Watson either dressing, acting, talking or in any way being a sexual being in any of the films. Unless you're one of those people who think she's asking for it by dressing in a private school uniform.
In actual fact, she seems to be a rather shy, timid, reserved and conservatively dressed person.
Not that I'd condone people leering at a 15 year old Britney Spears clone, I mean I think the whole marketing schtick behind T.A.T.U (underage lesbians!) is vile... but in this case Watson's sending off no signals whatsoever.
I dunno - a fully grown woman vs. a 15 year old. I'd take the 15 year old. Used to be the sex symbols were people like Marilyn Monroe and Betty Page who had adult bodies. These days people are being steered to 12 year olds, or people with those builds.
RE: Age of consent laws are wrong... Basically if the child was harmed - guilty. But if a 10-year old kid had a healthy sexual relationship with an adult with the consent of the child's parents, why is it wrong simply because the child is underage?
Because the child is not yet mature enough to determine right from wrong, appropriate behaviour from inappropriate, etc. Small children by nature want what feels good not necessarily what's best for them - overeating candy, staying awake really late even though they will feel wrecked in the morning, etc. because they're immature. Sex is not a funtime pastime it's a game with consequences. AIDS, pregnancy, hurt feelings, lifelong trauma.
Some people mature and at certain points are given various rights and privileges as a result. OK? Some people like you on the other hand fly in the face of common knowledge and morality and decide that there is no right and wrong, no weal and no woe. If it feels good just do it. And that's why society is going to hell in a handbasket. So what if we destroy our industry? We'll get a good couple of quarters and $2 more on our stock price RIGHT NOW. Why save for what we want when there's easy instant credit?
RE: Age of consent are wrongs, because they contradict reality, because there is no scientific, factual basis behind them, only religious and moral justification.
There's quite a LOT of justifications. If ya can't trust a 12 year old to raise a baby you can't trust her to be doing them things which will result in a baby.
RE: Children are sexual beings and that they should not be
Humans are sexual beings - but there's time, place and appropriateness for behaviour. Some of us learn this. Some of us don't.
We've always found children to be off limits. It's just recently that we've decided to extend childhood.
And dude, you're not an animal - there's always a filter that eliminates hot. You could have an attractive mother, sister - or your friend has an attractive spouse or you see an attractive nun and the "yeah, this is hot" circuit breaker should get tripped.
As in, your interest should go to nil.
If it doesn't, there's something pathologically wrong with you.
RE: a 19-year-old (never mind how you know this) woman walks by. a HOT 19-year-old. you drool, because hey, 19. he stares at you. "in my country, she is a child! you creep! you child molestor and kiddie rapist! do you play doctor with 6-year-olds? you should go to prison, where even the lowest of the low will look down on you!"
Here's something that may clarify matters for YOU
She showed up on screens at 12 and was being lusted after then. She's being talked of in terms of panty shots and worse at 15. This is not a case of 18 in a place where it's 19. Though she's legal in Cameroon and parts of Canada, it's way off base in most of the US and the civilised world, and off base in her home country. DIG?
You can think me a vile pervert for not being Islamic, and I am equally as entitled to oppose your country's liberal attitude towards slavery.
RE: I can't tell you how many times I've been out and seen a girl where I honestly couldn't work out the faintest clue as to how old she was - anywhere between 15 and 26. I'm in my 20s and not the least bit interested in anyone under 21, but in some cases, you genuinely can't tell from looks alone.
Here's what happens. You ask a girl out, you find out she's under $AGE_OF_CONSENT, and at that point you excuse yourself, explain the situation, and leave.
You don't airily talk about how in Cameroon the age of consent is 9 or whatever and ask if she wants to shack up.
RE: I know one very sexy, gorgeous 24-year-old night-clubbing girl who has even commented out-of-the-blue that she really doesn't like going to all-ages events because the 14 year olds make her feel so unsexy and plain in comparison.
I haven't seen sadomasochistic homosexual kiddie porn either, but I'll tell ya sure as shootin I disapprove of that too.
Just as I know for sure I wouldn't like sticking my privy parts into a meat grinder without having tried it.
So I was wrong about the clock. But the whole idea is distasteful. What do you think my chances are about the kiddie porn being OK? "Oh, I'm terribly sorry - that was art! That was wonderful and witty social commentary." Uh huh....
He's not thinking of the 39 year old seducing his 12 year old daughter, who of course, thinks she knows it all, etc. and naturally when she gets pregnant at 13 and "Chevy" takes off to find a younger woman and it's the poster who gets saddled with the bills (cause tho the 13 year old's parts all work, she can't drive the kid to the doctor's and is still at least seven years away from enough schooling to realistically support herself never mind a kid)...
He's more likely to be secretly wishing his 12 year old daughter would bring her friends home. And that's wrong.
RE: However, expression of sexual attraction to a physically adult human being sounds vulgar to me, but not nearly as vulgar as your threat of death by softball bat that you spewed
RE: Frankly, I think you have more problems than the majority of people posting here. I sure don't watch 'Harry Potter' movies looking for panty shots, but if you've never seen a fifteen-year-old you wanted to shag
Nope, sorry. I see a bunch of kids standing by the bus stop, I want em to be kids. But then again I don't go around looking at everyone as potential sex objects, either.
RE: then I can only presume you're deluding yourself or have no libido...
No, just a sane libido. I don't find men attractive either.
RE: and claiming that attacking someone with a razor because they shagged a fifteen-year-old is 'decent' behaviour make you look like a psychopath.
Tweren't me, that was the rest of the estate. I was young at the time. The bikers who caught up with the guy weren't.
RE: Perhaps in your part of the world, but not in many others. [ageofconsent.com]
WTF? In some parts of the world I could kill you for looking at me funny. Does that make that right, too?
RE: Why? Because you say so?
I say so, the law says so, most people say so. I tell you what. You get caught in a compromising position with a 14 year old, and when you get to jail, you can tell the fellow inmates all your palaver crap about how it's OK because they do this in Cameroon. If you live, write me back. Looks to me that even thieves and murderers have more decency to you.
RE: I'm sorry, but it appears that you're the one with the problem - you are deliberately ignoring evidence presented to you that you are wrong.
I am not wrong. You are wrong. Sexualising children, diddling children, preying on kids is wrong. You'd find few people appreciating you hanging around the high school cruising for tail, making appreciative comments about how hot a 14 year old looks, etc. It's wrong legally, it's wrong morally, etc.
RE: Bullshit. You have made an arbitrary decision about based on an imcomplete representation of facts. There are *many* people here who are her age (typically the ones making these comments), and you're saying it's inappropriate for them to want to sneak a look?
Yeah, I do. Got a problem with that?
RE: If you believe that, you should go in for some councilling - repressing your feelings that much is just asking for trouble.
Dude, I have no feelings for little kids. You're the one arguing for the right to do that kind of thing.
RE: Ohh.. another straw man! Seems to me that we were discussing 15 year olds, weren't we?
Replace six with fifteen. Same trip.
RE: Got a tip for you: if you want people to take you seriously, you shouldn't make stupid arguments that have no bearing on the topic at hand, all you do is make it look like you don't have any relevant arguments, and are grasping at straws in order to convince yourself you're right.
Got a tip for you. Wait til my daughter's 18 or I set you on fire. Deal?
RE: Barely: and if she'd been born on a council estate she'd have a couple of kids of her own by now. You're living in a fantasy world if you think that underage sex isn't a regular occurence in the UK.
Underage with underage, fair enough - though I don't think it's the perfect state of affairs it happens. I can of course have a problem with adults shacking up with kids. And I dunno about you but where I came from the 25 year old who knocked up the 15 year old ended up razor scarred and fleeing the province for his life.
RE: In any case, it wouldn't surprise me at all if NuLab reduced the age of consent to fourteen: after all, they've already reduced the butt-shagging age for boys to sixteen, and I'm sure they'd like to reduce that further.
And of course, there'll be people like me saying it's wrong, and these oh so enlightened folk claiming that it's repression or whatever that's the root cause. Whatever happened to decency?
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RE: Hayao Miyazaki makes some of the most family friendly and most touching films.
So what? He's still a voyeuristic pederast like many of his contemporaries. Walt Disney made some nice films but it didn't change the fact that he was a virulent anti-Semite.
RE: His Spirited Away was awarded Oscar for Best Animated Film.
Would this be the same Hollywood that supports Roman "drugged and raped a little girl" Polanski?
RE: It's not Japanese culture that is sick, it's American. A sick mixture of sexual innuendo and sexual inhibitions. Britney Spears is OK, salivating for Olsen twins is just fine, but panty shots of girls are sick. Psychiatrists have a name for it - it's "schizophrenia".
I'm not for Olsen Twins or Britney Spears either. We need to cleanse our culture of this kind of vileness.
RE: I agree with you here. But what if a child is willing to get into that situation himself.
That doesn't make it right to exploit that for selfish purposes or to get kids involved in stuff they have no business in either. My three year old son would really like to ride my Harley Davidson. He's not old enough to yet, not legally and he doesn't have the balance to stay on, never mind the neck strength to keep from being killed or worse in an accident. So like a mature adult, I say NO.
RE: I am not saying that all kids do it, I am not saying it is always beneficial, what I am saying is that this is happening and apparently it's no big deal.
No, it is a big deal. What people do vs what they should do are two different things.
RE: So what if some kid wants to have sex with a consenting adult? How is the sex different? All the arguments that you can state against it apply equally well in the situation of sex between children. And we have already established that it is ok, fine, legal and acceptable, even if not very good.
No, I said age appropriate - not acceptable or good. It's one thing to be 15 and with someone of the same age group. It's another to be 29 trolling for 14 year olds.
RE: in most cases there are no STDs. In most cases there is no lifelong trauma.
You naive fool. I will find the studies and present them to you. But suffice it to say this sort of thing leaves lifelong scars. Ask Alanis Morrissette, who regrets being tossed around, as a willing 12 year old, between groups of predatory men even though she was willing at the time.
RE: You might want to read up on the subject. Yes, it is possible to have consensual sex with men, even if you are not gay. You can be bisexual or even straight.
What does this have to do with the discussion?
RE: No, I am not. It won't happen very soon, because some western societies are so preoccupied with pedophiles. That doesn't change the fact that sex with children is not always bad.
Murder isn't always bad, either, but we've a law against it for a damn good reason. Same as for laws that protect children.
RE: First, kids are ready for sex in the sense that they are having sex all the time.
Physically ready != emotionally ready
RE: Second, readiness is not a prerequisite. Some adults are not emotionally or economically ready for sex and its repercussions, but they are still allowed to have it.
Yer right - readiness isn't technically a prerequisite. You can always use force. As for adults - that doesn't mean they should.
RE: Third, the repercussions do not necessarily have to follow. If you use a condom or another contraceptive option,
Which can fail
RE: you can avoid pregnancy
Abortions for ten year olds. Great. That's the kind of childhood experience it'd take a liberal therapist to justify, huh?
RE: but I am confident in my ability to generally avoid them. And when I can't, I will take heed of what I am saying, thanks for the advice again.
Very good. And stay away from my kids.
RE: so I let them stay in their ghettos or wherever they usually hang.
Ah, the "you are uncultured/stupid because you do not agree with my perversion" lie. Whatever. Tell you what, you see how many people who aren't sick in the head agree with you. Very few.
RE: But first things first. I disagree with you that panty shots are unnatural. For example, Hayao Miyazaki
:) It's half an attempt to make you angry and half a bad-taste joke.
Don't quote the Japanese at me. As a culture it's sick. Buying used underwear from prepubescents in vanding machines... IIRC there's no age of consent at all there, which is why a lot of weird stuff, including children in bondage, is available over there. I may be wrong in this, but I don't want to investigate that avenue. All I know is that their cartoons are sick enough.
RE:I said "latent pedophile" (i.e. the guy who may not even be consciously aware of it).
Ah, the typical defence of the pervert "you mustn't like this because deep down you love it - so deep down even you don't know." Uh huh. Whatever.
RE: But they do exist. Yes, I admit that some pedophiles have psychological problems, but some do not.
You know what? There's something wrong with anyone trying to take children and put them into adult situations. Look at that kid, for example, whose father smacked him around and demanded he become this bodybuilder - making him pump iron even though his bones were still growing, etc. just so he could show him off. Likewise, sex is an adult thing - not a game. Not a pastime without consequences.
RE: It's the same as with, say, gays. You can have sex with men and not be gay,
Only in prison, maybe. If it's against your will.
RE: you can be gay and not be mentally ill (though as recently as 50 years ago homosexuallity was barbarically "treated" with sex hormones).
So, so you're saying in ten years if you get your way the idea of a forty year old with a twelve year old will be just another lifestyle choice? Over my dead body. The essential difference here, mate, is that gay men are adults. Two adult men want to do whatever they want with each other, fine. But kids are not physically or emotionally ready for this kind of thing, and they certainly aren't economically ready for some of the lifelong repercussions of their actions.
RE: It is not fully serious.
In certain groups I travel in, you would not have been able to finish that sentence. Once again I'm not threatening you - I'm just pointing out that while you're sitting here pontificating about liberty and well in Scandinavia they believe this, and logical fallacy that most people have a sense of right and wrong and pulling children into an adult arena for your own selfish pleasure IS WRONG. And many groups of people will hurt you or worse for making those kinds of statements. Because this isn't some intellectual game or some airy conjectures about life - this is people's lives. Grow up.
Ooooh, and this is even more interesting: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=147838 5 - in which you talk of sharing everything from bukkake to child porn with your friends, and say at the end of your node that it's based on personal experience.
I think perhaps your trip is that you're some kind of libertarian or something. I think perhaps you've never had personal experience with someone who was molested, and others who went too far too soon with people old enough to know better. You seem to suggest at the end of yer node that computers will allow people to make safe kiddie porn.
As someone who regularly assists anti-kid-porn and survivors of child abuse groups, let me tell you this - the prime use of kiddie porn is for diddlers to convince other kids that it's OK to do what's being shown to them in the pictures. So kiddie porn per se is evidence of a crime, and computer generated porn something used to assist people in committing crimes. So I take a very dim view to your point of view. Perhaps this will enlighten you. But considering you're in that pit of holier than thou deviance called E2, I doubt it.
Well, well, well, isn't THIS interesting. A quick search of danila found you on everything2.
2 9, speaks volumes. Not only are you aware of different child porn sites, but you argue that there's a fine line between kiddie porn and art. You even go on to suggest that thanks to computer generated porn kiddie porn as acceptable public content will be here to stay. That is sick. If you need me to argue exactly why then that goes to show me how far gone you've gone.
This node, http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=14943
Other nodes on that site you wrote include instructions on hiding pornography stashes.
Hey, man, rather than lecturing me on my own psychology, which is firmly rooted in people of legal age of consent, or making suggestions I would molest my own kids, you should go see a shrink.
Alright, Danila, I'll admit that kind of comment was out of line, to some degree, but I'm entitled to get hot under the collar about it.
No, it isn't because I like little girls. I don't. My idea of a woman is a real woman, though there's a typo above I'm into a fully grown developed 20something woman. Kids don't interest me in any way - not physically, not as someone to talk to, etc. I'm very secure in this.
However, I will say this. Even if I was wired to look at a 15 year old and develop an interest, which I can certainly understand, this has to be tempered with an understanding of just how messed up things can get. Tell you what - get into a relationship with someone messed up by childhood diddling, or see at 15 your 15 year old female classmates who are supposedly mature, supposedly with it, hip and together modern women manipulated and screwed up by older men.
I've never seen a man of the age of consent, esp. in his 20s, who was interested in sniffing around the high school who didn't have some kind of serious problems relating to other people. Would I suggest it isn't possible that someone of 15 can make up her own mind and her own decisions? Nope! But two things - 1) neither of you are gonna die if you wait a few years and 2) if when she's 18 you're no longer interested in her that reveals it to be fetish, not love.
I am still not happy with your strong suggestion I molest my daughter. Either prove it or retract it.
And by the way, you might get away with that in Russia, but here most people would violently assault you for making that suggestion - so in future be real careful how sarcastic you get. That's a word of advice, not a threat.
Whoops, I meant to say would ignore the 15 year old. Now watch danila jump on this typo as evidence of repressed pedophilia. Sigh.
RE:Or do you mean that it is perfectly natural for a girl to wear panties, but this fact should be hidden from anyone
That's correct. Just as, people do use the bathroom and most people have rectums, but taking photos of the process isn't considered appropriate by most people.
RE: Of course. Just lake latent homosexuals are the worst homophobes. Tone down your indignation, that's giving you away.
Oh, so now I'm a closet child molestor because I disapprove of people ogling little girls? Very very interesting. I wonder if you'd have the balls to make that kind of accusation to my face, internet warrior.
If you were a 16 year old boy, I'd dicuss the difference between appropriate and inappropriate actions, and that it would be INappropriate for her to flash her skivvies onscreen even if she wanted to - because of the fact that there are adults who don't know what appropriate and inappropriate is, and direct him to the postings of the baby-diddler supporters here. I would not denigrate your age-appropriate feelings for one of your peers.
RE: What? Do you suggest that underage girls should not wear panties?
When did I say this?
RE: What's wrong with panty shots, you, sicko?
Of an underage girl? Tons, especially with perverts like you around, scumbag.
RE: Do you think that they give hardons to every male? Nope, only to latent pedophiles like yourself
I'm the one arguing against em. You're the one arguing for being able to diddle a six year old. Now shut up and stick your head in the oven and get out of our gene pool.
I don't see Emma Watson either dressing, acting, talking or in any way being a sexual being in any of the films. Unless you're one of those people who think she's asking for it by dressing in a private school uniform.
In actual fact, she seems to be a rather shy, timid, reserved and conservatively dressed person.
Not that I'd condone people leering at a 15 year old Britney Spears clone, I mean I think the whole marketing schtick behind T.A.T.U (underage lesbians!) is vile... but in this case Watson's sending off no signals whatsoever.
I dunno - a fully grown woman vs. a 15 year old. I'd take the 15 year old. Used to be the sex symbols were people like Marilyn Monroe and Betty Page who had adult bodies. These days people are being steered to 12 year olds, or people with those builds.
Yeah, I am.
Stealing a $500 Honda scooter vs a $10,000 car.
Both are thefts.
RE: Age of consent laws are wrong... Basically if the child was harmed - guilty. But if a 10-year old kid had a healthy sexual relationship with an adult with the consent of the child's parents, why is it wrong simply because the child is underage?
Because the child is not yet mature enough to determine right from wrong, appropriate behaviour from inappropriate, etc. Small children by nature want what feels good not necessarily what's best for them - overeating candy, staying awake really late even though they will feel wrecked in the morning, etc. because they're immature. Sex is not a funtime pastime it's a game with consequences. AIDS, pregnancy, hurt feelings, lifelong trauma.
Some people mature and at certain points are given various rights and privileges as a result. OK? Some people like you on the other hand fly in the face of common knowledge and morality and decide that there is no right and wrong, no weal and no woe. If it feels good just do it. And that's why society is going to hell in a handbasket. So what if we destroy our industry? We'll get a good couple of quarters and $2 more on our stock price RIGHT NOW. Why save for what we want when there's easy instant credit?
RE: Age of consent are wrongs, because they contradict reality, because there is no scientific, factual basis behind them, only religious and moral justification.
There's quite a LOT of justifications. If ya can't trust a 12 year old to raise a baby you can't trust her to be doing them things which will result in a baby.
RE: Children are sexual beings and that they should not be
Humans are sexual beings - but there's time, place and appropriateness for behaviour. Some of us learn this. Some of us don't.
We've always found children to be off limits. It's just recently that we've decided to extend childhood.
And dude, you're not an animal - there's always a filter that eliminates hot. You could have an attractive mother, sister - or your friend has an attractive spouse or you see an attractive nun and the "yeah, this is hot" circuit breaker should get tripped.
As in, your interest should go to nil.
If it doesn't, there's something pathologically wrong with you.
RE: a 19-year-old (never mind how you know this) woman walks by. a HOT 19-year-old. you drool, because hey, 19. he stares at you. "in my country, she is a child! you creep! you child molestor and kiddie rapist! do you play doctor with 6-year-olds? you should go to prison, where even the lowest of the low will look down on you!"
Here's something that may clarify matters for YOU
She showed up on screens at 12 and was being lusted after then. She's being talked of in terms of panty shots and worse at 15. This is not a case of 18 in a place where it's 19. Though she's legal in Cameroon and parts of Canada, it's way off base in most of the US and the civilised world, and off base in her home country. DIG?
You can think me a vile pervert for not being Islamic, and I am equally as entitled to oppose your country's liberal attitude towards slavery.
RE: Gimme one example of thongs being marketed to 5 year olds
I believe the Gap was the company that was told to pull them.
RE: I can't tell you how many times I've been out and seen a girl where I honestly couldn't work out the faintest clue as to how old she was - anywhere between 15 and 26. I'm in my 20s and not the least bit interested in anyone under 21, but in some cases, you genuinely can't tell from looks alone.
Here's what happens. You ask a girl out, you find out she's under $AGE_OF_CONSENT, and at that point you excuse yourself, explain the situation, and leave.
You don't airily talk about how in Cameroon the age of consent is 9 or whatever and ask if she wants to shack up.
RE: I know one very sexy, gorgeous 24-year-old night-clubbing girl who has even commented out-of-the-blue that she really doesn't like going to all-ages events because the 14 year olds make her feel so unsexy and plain in comparison.
There's totally something wrong with this.
I haven't seen sadomasochistic homosexual kiddie porn either, but I'll tell ya sure as shootin I disapprove of that too.
Just as I know for sure I wouldn't like sticking my privy parts into a meat grinder without having tried it.
So I was wrong about the clock. But the whole idea is distasteful.
What do you think my chances are about the kiddie porn being OK? "Oh, I'm terribly sorry - that was art! That was wonderful and witty social commentary." Uh huh....
Well, I can go you one further.
Imagine someone in the 1950s proposing that thongs be marketed to five year olds.
Imagine someone, even in the swingin 60s, proposing that stiletto heeled hooker boots be made in four year old sizes.
Think they'd have kept their jobs, if not their front teeth?
So why is it acceptable today?
There's a difference between thinking someone's cute, or attractive, and/or sexually so.
I think babies are cute, and dogs are cute. I think certain works of fine art are pretty and beautiful as well.
But that doesn't mean I'm into doing babies, dogs, etc.
Thank you, bwalling. I was feeling like the lone voice of sanity, here.
He's not thinking of the 39 year old seducing his 12 year old daughter, who of course, thinks she knows it all, etc. and naturally when she gets pregnant at 13 and "Chevy" takes off to find a younger woman and it's the poster who gets saddled with the bills (cause tho the 13 year old's parts all work, she can't drive the kid to the doctor's and is still at least seven years away from enough schooling to realistically support herself never mind a kid) ...
He's more likely to be secretly wishing his 12 year old daughter would bring her friends home. And that's wrong.
RE: However, expression of sexual attraction to a physically adult human being sounds vulgar to me, but not nearly as vulgar as your threat of death by softball bat that you spewed
It was the server I threatened with a bat.
RE: Frankly, I think you have more problems than the majority of people posting here. I sure don't watch 'Harry Potter' movies looking for panty shots, but if you've never seen a fifteen-year-old you wanted to shag
Nope, sorry. I see a bunch of kids standing by the bus stop, I want em to be kids. But then again I don't go around looking at everyone as potential sex objects, either.
RE: then I can only presume you're deluding yourself or have no libido...
No, just a sane libido. I don't find men attractive either.
RE: and claiming that attacking someone with a razor because they shagged a fifteen-year-old is 'decent' behaviour make you look like a psychopath.
Tweren't me, that was the rest of the estate. I was young at the time. The bikers who caught up with the guy weren't.
RE: Perhaps in your part of the world, but not in many others. [ageofconsent.com]
WTF? In some parts of the world I could kill you for looking at me funny. Does that make that right, too?
RE: Why? Because you say so?
I say so, the law says so, most people say so. I tell you what. You get caught in a compromising position with a 14 year old, and when you get to jail, you can tell the fellow inmates all your palaver crap about how it's OK because they do this in Cameroon. If you live, write me back. Looks to me that even thieves and murderers have more decency to you.
RE: I'm sorry, but it appears that you're the one with the problem - you are deliberately ignoring evidence presented to you that you are wrong.
I am not wrong. You are wrong. Sexualising children, diddling children, preying on kids is wrong. You'd find few people appreciating you hanging around the high school cruising for tail, making appreciative comments about how hot a 14 year old looks, etc. It's wrong legally, it's wrong morally, etc.
RE: Bullshit. You have made an arbitrary decision about based on an imcomplete representation of facts. There are *many* people here who are her age (typically the ones making these comments), and you're saying it's inappropriate for them to want to sneak a look?
Yeah, I do. Got a problem with that?
RE: If you believe that, you should go in for some councilling - repressing your feelings that much is just asking for trouble.
Dude, I have no feelings for little kids. You're the one arguing for the right to do that kind of thing.
RE: Ohh.. another straw man! Seems to me that we were discussing 15 year olds, weren't we?
Replace six with fifteen. Same trip.
RE: Got a tip for you: if you want people to take you seriously, you shouldn't make stupid arguments that have no bearing on the topic at hand, all you do is make it look like you don't have any relevant arguments, and are grasping at straws in order to convince yourself you're right.
Got a tip for you. Wait til my daughter's 18 or I set you on fire. Deal?
RE: Barely: and if she'd been born on a council estate she'd have a couple of kids of her own by now. You're living in a fantasy world if you think that underage sex isn't a regular occurence in the UK.
Underage with underage, fair enough - though I don't think it's the perfect state of affairs it happens. I can of course have a problem with adults shacking up with kids. And I dunno about you but where I came from the 25 year old who knocked up the 15 year old ended up razor scarred and fleeing the province for his life.
RE: In any case, it wouldn't surprise me at all if NuLab reduced the age of consent to fourteen: after all, they've already reduced the butt-shagging age for boys to sixteen, and I'm sure they'd like to reduce that further.
And of course, there'll be people like me saying it's wrong, and these oh so enlightened folk claiming that it's repression or whatever that's the root cause. Whatever happened to decency?