RE: YOUR kink, whatever it may be, is just fine and good. MY kink, however, is sick and twisted and disgusting.
I don't particularly care what anyone's kink is. I'm opposed to people who molest kids, molest the handicapped (e.g. non consensual) or comatose, rape, or do other things in which they take advantage of immaturity, insecurity, etc. or outright abuse the other person. I have a problem with date rape drugs or people who get others smashed to take advantage of them.
RE: I would point out to you that the age of consent in much of the world is 14, not 18, as you seem to believe.
I don't care what other people in other parts of the world do. In other parts of the world they do female genital mutilation or send their children out to be suicide bombers. I care about what people in a normal, sane, mature and decent society do.
REL I find this entire concept of "age of consent" somewhat tenuous, at best. It seems to imply that there is an age at which one magically is able to make intelligent, rational decisions about their own body and their sexuality,
Much of our law has that concept in mind. You can't drive at 16. Heck, there are people in their 20s who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. But that's no excuse to lower the driving age to 8.
RE: rational decisions... and plenty of 12 year olds who are. People mature at different ages. Get over it.
I seem to remember Alanis Morrissette deeply regretting her relationships with adult men. Back when she was 12-15 she thought herself mature, cool, urbane, sophisticated, in charge, etc. Now she realised she was being used, and wished she'd known better. Many 12-15 year olds think they know everything, but they don't - which is EXACTLY why there's laws preventing their exploitation by adults.
RE: And this post is courtesy of a 49-year-old married man with kids of my own, but, unlike you, with a rational view of human sexuality.
So you've no problem with sex with children, and you have kids? Wow. I don't know what more to say.
RE: So much for your idea that anyone who thinks such things are OK must have problems with adult relationships.
I have no idea what your relationships are like. Hey, does your wife know you're into kids?
RE: As a libertarian, I believe it's no business of the State to get involved with anything two people do consentually in private.
And as a rational, sane, decent human being I posit to you that certain things, like driving a car, sex, and voting should be deferred to a certain age and maturity. There's evidence that sex at younger ages cause greater risk for cervical cancer - as in, the female body needs some time to mature before it's ready for certain things.
Emma Watson lives in England, and the movie was made (to the best of my knowledge) there.
It was not made in Thailand, she isn't Thai, she doesn't come from a culture in which she's expected to be a sex object long before the age of consent.
She didn't sign up to do bikini scenes, she isn't topless in any scene - she's playing a repressed, bookworm nerd.
What you're in essence arguing is "don't project your mores on my society". Well, matey, she's English, and in England she's jailbait. Don't project your mores on hers.
Notice that all these liberated, pro kiddie diddling people post anonymously?
If you've got the courage of your convictions that diddling children is OK then hey, post with your actual accounts.
Oh, you don't?
Right.
Screw Karma, screw everything else. Sexualising children is WRONG, creepily projecting fantasies on people who don't want that attention is WRONG, and I will stand by my words and proudly post them under my account.
I wouldn't look at something like that Harlequin, but if you're right then I take back my comment about his clock. Anything that makes stuff like that revolting is OK in my book.
She's a kid. She's underage. She's off limits. If you don't understand that, then you have a big problem.
RE: Oh, nice strawman. Sure, she's a 'little girl'. Sure.
Let's see, how old was she in the first film? 12? How old is she now? 15? Neither is an appropriate age to be trying to look at her underwear. You can play semantic games all you want, but you can't get around the fact that that crap is off base and outa line. Unless you're R. Kelly.
RE:to which I submit that you're just proving you can't think for yourself or independently of what society tries to tell you.
I can think for myself. I can also recognise that sexualising children is wrong. You can't seem to work that out. And I feel sorry for you. I don't see you as liberal, liberated, independant or whatever. I see you as a sicko. You can do any kind of perversion with a consenting adult person - don't care if the person is male, female, black, white, etc. But lusting after someone who's between 12 and 15 is quite wrong. And all parts of society - even the lowest of the low in jail - disapprove of your attitude. Do you know what happens to diddlers in jail?
RE: Plus, you obviously don't recall high school, or you just never got laid during it.
Once again - there's a difference between two six year olds playing doctor and a twenty one year old wanting to play doctor with a six year old. And legal provisos are usually made for same. I wouldn't have a problem if it came out that members of the cast were more interested in each other than they let on on-screen... they're of an equivalent age and though I wouldn't think it the best course of action, that's age-appropriate and normal. What isn't is an adult male in a predatory mode.
Careful, by the way projecting things on to me. Suggesting that I have some kind of hangup or cannot get sex has nothing to do with the discussion. But for what it's worth most kiddie diddlers can't handle relationships with adults and are emotionally stunted. Most of the 20+ year olds sniffing around my high school had low self esteem, low IQs and if they did work worked part time at places like McDonald's. No wonder they'd go after kids. No adult female would want em.
She's underage. You're going well over the line in making remarks about panty shots.
If you don't respect the fact that she's jailbait, at least respect the fact that she's a human being. I remember reading somewhere she actually was quite shy about a scene in which she was supposed to HUG one of her fellow actors. I can't imagine how I would feel being in a film knowing that pimply, greasy nerds and other creepy people were trying to picture my genitalia.
So in short, grow up and get a life. As for the guy with the "coming of age" clock - anyone who produced something like that about my daughter gets his CPU reprogrammed with a softball bat and rightly so. Get it? Even if I was creepy enough to look at a little girl in a sexual manner, I would accord the same respect to Emma Watson and to her father as I would expect shown to me and my own kids.
When did we as a society decide this kind of sick crap was OK? Fatty Arbuckle's career was ruined by the suggestion he was a diddler. R. Kelly, of whom we have VIDEO EVIDENCE he's a child molestor and kiddie rapist, is top of the charts. Go figure.
Do you have a source for this? Or is this hearsay. I'd be interested to see which monk and what ideas he had.
Seems to me you're looking at quarterstaff techniques with something like that. A frag'leh or whatever yer talking about is that semicircular bladey thing the Klingons were hoying around, right?
RE: If flint doesn't have the industries to support itself as it used to, then instead of trying to maintain past glory, they should get realistic.
I truly hope and pray someday you find yourself in your fifties, with a mortgage and three children, suddenly to find that not only is the industry in which you've invested your life sold you out for a temporary increase in some CEO's bottom line, but also that when you try and retrain you either can't afford it (can't go back to entry level pay with three kids/mortgage) or people look at you as "too old" and discard you, too.
And then, I'll come over to you and say too bad for you, but you have to be realistic.
It's not a loss for Flint. The loss of good jobs, manufacturing etc. means that less and less people are making more and more while the quality of life truly slides for everyone.
Is when they start innovating themselves as opposed to competing on price.
There's always going to be people who won't want to buy cheap knock offs - for example, when wrenching on the (old) Harley (the one made in the USA) I want tools that are well made, not some Harbor Freight well at least they're cheap things.
But when Ling Liong Wen Hung Flung Wuong Chang Inc. comes up with the next killer app in conjunction with RamaChandraChakraGuru Enterprises, that's when to upgrade to brown alert.
We may not be cheap, but we are usually the engines of creation. Asia does it cheap, Europe does it with style (or at least with government subsidy) - we tend to do it first and forge ahead...
RE: Indeed. If free trade keeps kicking different sectors in the ass, eventually there will be enough pissed voters to do something about it. A lot of jobs have the potential to be offshored. Manufacturing and tech are just the start.
No they won't. "Hey, we're getting screwed, and our rights are being pissed away, and we're being offshored and exploited, but golly gee gilly dang, them Dimmocrats wants to make gay marraige compulsory!"
RE: Americans were confronted with the same situation in the 1980's when the Japanese behemoth swamped American auto and steel production, leading to the "Rust Belt" throughout the American Northeast. America recovered via the IT and telecommunications industries.
Yeah, but once you've surrendered design, engineering, manufacturing and the like to everyone else, what's left? Eminem records, reality television and Hooters. Sorry, but that's not going to put bread on the table for most, here.
It's getting to the point where people are no longer chasing the bleeding edge because the cost of entry is too damn high, and the payoff miniscule - in the sense that yeah, you make nice money for a few years, but then it gets outsourced and you STILL have to pay for those student loans.
RE: When we, ( I mean America, the "West" and probably Japan ) no longer make anything, or design anything, but only consume, consume consume... we will fall apart.
Too late. That started about twenty years ago.
Does nobody remember how England fell? Before Britian became an empire she produced shipbuilders, explorers, conquerors - when they started turning out staid middle managers and turning everything else over to the colonies, it was the beginning of the end.
RE: I moved to Tennessee and had to provide a social security card and a notarized birth certificate before I could even take a test here.
Sure, but you know, even people who are in the country on temporary visas, even TNs, are entitled to Social Security cards (in fact, you have to have one to work here, even for a few months), but they're stamped to the effect that they aren't valid without INS authorization (e.g. try to get a job with one, they'll ask for a visa).
Since most places insist you change your license within 30 days, you technically have to under a three year H1-B deal. So no, you can technically get a driver's licence without being a citizen (looks at his own driver's licence) and hey, that's why it isn't sufficient.
In 1996 I watched some Canadians being denied reentry to Canada because they didn't realize they needed something other than a driver's licence. Even though they smoked Export A, spoke like Bob McKenzie and had mullets, eh.
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I have a problem with that too.
RE: YOUR kink, whatever it may be, is just fine and good. MY kink, however, is sick and twisted and disgusting.
I don't particularly care what anyone's kink is. I'm opposed to people who molest kids, molest the handicapped (e.g. non consensual) or comatose, rape, or do other things in which they take advantage of immaturity, insecurity, etc. or outright abuse the other person. I have a problem with date rape drugs or people who get others smashed to take advantage of them.
RE: I would point out to you that the age of consent in much of the world is 14, not 18, as you seem to believe.
I don't care what other people in other parts of the world do. In other parts of the world they do female genital mutilation or send their children out to be suicide bombers. I care about what people in a normal, sane, mature and decent society do.
REL I find this entire concept of "age of consent" somewhat tenuous, at best. It seems to imply that there is an age at which one magically is able to make intelligent, rational decisions about their own body and their sexuality,
Much of our law has that concept in mind. You can't drive at 16. Heck, there are people in their 20s who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. But that's no excuse to lower the driving age to 8.
RE: rational decisions... and plenty of 12 year olds who are. People mature at different ages. Get over it.
I seem to remember Alanis Morrissette deeply regretting her relationships with adult men. Back when she was 12-15 she thought herself mature, cool, urbane, sophisticated, in charge, etc. Now she realised she was being used, and wished she'd known better. Many 12-15 year olds think they know everything, but they don't - which is EXACTLY why there's laws preventing their exploitation by adults.
RE: And this post is courtesy of a 49-year-old married man with kids of my own, but, unlike you, with a rational view of human sexuality.
So you've no problem with sex with children, and you have kids? Wow. I don't know what more to say.
RE: So much for your idea that anyone who thinks such things are OK must have problems with adult relationships.
I have no idea what your relationships are like. Hey, does your wife know you're into kids?
RE: As a libertarian, I believe it's no business of the State to get involved with anything two people do consentually in private.
And as a rational, sane, decent human being I posit to you that certain things, like driving a car, sex, and voting should be deferred to a certain age and maturity. There's evidence that sex at younger ages cause greater risk for cervical cancer - as in, the female body needs some time to mature before it's ready for certain things.
Where would that be? Canada?
Emma Watson lives in England, and the movie was made (to the best of my knowledge) there.
It was not made in Thailand, she isn't Thai, she doesn't come from a culture in which she's expected to be a sex object long before the age of consent.
She didn't sign up to do bikini scenes, she isn't topless in any scene - she's playing a repressed, bookworm nerd.
What you're in essence arguing is "don't project your mores on my society". Well, matey, she's English, and in England she's jailbait. Don't project your mores on hers.
Notice that all these liberated, pro kiddie diddling people post anonymously?
If you've got the courage of your convictions that diddling children is OK then hey, post with your actual accounts.
Oh, you don't?
Right.
Screw Karma, screw everything else. Sexualising children is WRONG, creepily projecting fantasies on people who don't want that attention is WRONG, and I will stand by my words and proudly post them under my account.
I wouldn't look at something like that Harlequin, but if you're right then I take back my comment about his clock. Anything that makes stuff like that revolting is OK in my book.
RE: She is a fully physically mature woman.
She's a kid. She's underage. She's off limits. If you don't understand that, then you have a big problem.
RE: Oh, nice strawman. Sure, she's a 'little girl'. Sure.
Let's see, how old was she in the first film? 12? How old is she now? 15? Neither is an appropriate age to be trying to look at her underwear. You can play semantic games all you want, but you can't get around the fact that that crap is off base and outa line. Unless you're R. Kelly.
RE:to which I submit that you're just proving you can't think for yourself or independently of what society tries to tell you.
I can think for myself. I can also recognise that sexualising children is wrong. You can't seem to work that out. And I feel sorry for you. I don't see you as liberal, liberated, independant or whatever. I see you as a sicko. You can do any kind of perversion with a consenting adult person - don't care if the person is male, female, black, white, etc. But lusting after someone who's between 12 and 15 is quite wrong. And all parts of society - even the lowest of the low in jail - disapprove of your attitude. Do you know what happens to diddlers in jail?
RE: Plus, you obviously don't recall high school, or you just never got laid during it.
Once again - there's a difference between two six year olds playing doctor and a twenty one year old wanting to play doctor with a six year old. And legal provisos are usually made for same. I wouldn't have a problem if it came out that members of the cast were more interested in each other than they let on on-screen... they're of an equivalent age and though I wouldn't think it the best course of action, that's age-appropriate and normal. What isn't is an adult male in a predatory mode.
Careful, by the way projecting things on to me. Suggesting that I have some kind of hangup or cannot get sex has nothing to do with the discussion. But for what it's worth most kiddie diddlers can't handle relationships with adults and are emotionally stunted. Most of the 20+ year olds sniffing around my high school had low self esteem, low IQs and if they did work worked part time at places like McDonald's. No wonder they'd go after kids. No adult female would want em.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Maybe you should consider changing that state of affairs.
OK you sickos.
She's underage. You're going well over the line in making remarks about panty shots.
If you don't respect the fact that she's jailbait, at least respect the fact that she's a human being. I remember reading somewhere she actually was quite shy about a scene in which she was supposed to HUG one of her fellow actors. I can't imagine how I would feel being in a film knowing that pimply, greasy nerds and other creepy people were trying to picture my genitalia.
So in short, grow up and get a life. As for the guy with the "coming of age" clock - anyone who produced something like that about my daughter gets his CPU reprogrammed with a softball bat and rightly so. Get it? Even if I was creepy enough to look at a little girl in a sexual manner, I would accord the same respect to Emma Watson and to her father as I would expect shown to me and my own kids.
When did we as a society decide this kind of sick crap was OK? Fatty Arbuckle's career was ruined by the suggestion he was a diddler. R. Kelly, of whom we have VIDEO EVIDENCE he's a child molestor and kiddie rapist, is top of the charts. Go figure.
It's pretty much common knowledge people think better while on the throne, so to speak. Using the lav, for those of us on the other side of the pond.
Has anyone looked into another similar explanation for eureka moments while in the littlest room?
Do you have a source for this? Or is this hearsay. I'd be interested to see which monk and what ideas he had.
Seems to me you're looking at quarterstaff techniques with something like that. A frag'leh or whatever yer talking about is that semicircular bladey thing the Klingons were hoying around, right?
1) The thumbprint is the hardest one to match. Though 1:1 is very good, still....
2) This is a gym. How many jock boys have opposable thumbs?
And of course, we've got #3, in the tradition of Douggy Adams..
3) Scratches, scrapes, dead skin, flakes, etc. will make the image different enough to screw up the match. Add in sweat, gym chalk, bandages etc...
No, he's thinking of Cybermats, which also caused that cheesy 70s effect.
Probably Return of the Cybermen...
Because we have kids to feed.
There's a difference between agreeing in principle to the free market, and being on the losing end of the stick.
There will always be people/ways in which someone gets the raw deal. I'm talking from the perspective of someone in the biz here.
That being said, I wouldn't have a problem with India becoming a powerhouse. That's a good thing. But one based on accomplishment, not cut-rate price.
While on the subject of Canada, let's remember right now that it prohibits free association. Ask the Hells Angels.
The US is going the same way...
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Subsidies for the defence/industrial complex.
Looks like they needed a bailout.
RE: If flint doesn't have the industries to support itself as it used to, then instead of trying to maintain past glory, they should get realistic.
I truly hope and pray someday you find yourself in your fifties, with a mortgage and three children, suddenly to find that not only is the industry in which you've invested your life sold you out for a temporary increase in some CEO's bottom line, but also that when you try and retrain you either can't afford it (can't go back to entry level pay with three kids/mortgage) or people look at you as "too old" and discard you, too.
And then, I'll come over to you and say too bad for you, but you have to be realistic.
It's not a loss for Flint. The loss of good jobs, manufacturing etc. means that less and less people are making more and more while the quality of life truly slides for everyone.
Which member of the Republican Party ARE you?
Is when they start innovating themselves as opposed to competing on price.
There's always going to be people who won't want to buy cheap knock offs - for example, when wrenching on the (old) Harley (the one made in the USA) I want tools that are well made, not some Harbor Freight well at least they're cheap things.
But when Ling Liong Wen Hung Flung Wuong Chang Inc. comes up with the next killer app in conjunction with RamaChandraChakraGuru Enterprises, that's when to upgrade to brown alert.
We may not be cheap, but we are usually the engines of creation. Asia does it cheap, Europe does it with style (or at least with government subsidy) - we tend to do it first and forge ahead...
RE: The same things were said when Japan made a move to dominate the car industry, so what happened?
Go to Flint, Michigan and find out. What is it, 70% unemployment, bitter, grinding poverty, crime, etc?
RE: Indeed. If free trade keeps kicking different sectors in the ass, eventually there will be enough pissed voters to do something about it. A lot of jobs have the potential to be offshored. Manufacturing and tech are just the start.
No they won't. "Hey, we're getting screwed, and our rights are being pissed away, and we're being offshored and exploited, but golly gee gilly dang, them Dimmocrats wants to make gay marraige compulsory!"
RE: Americans were confronted with the same situation in the 1980's when the Japanese behemoth swamped American auto and steel production, leading to the "Rust Belt" throughout the American Northeast. America recovered via the IT and telecommunications industries.
Yeah, but once you've surrendered design, engineering, manufacturing and the like to everyone else, what's left? Eminem records, reality television and Hooters. Sorry, but that's not going to put bread on the table for most, here.
It's getting to the point where people are no longer chasing the bleeding edge because the cost of entry is too damn high, and the payoff miniscule - in the sense that yeah, you make nice money for a few years, but then it gets outsourced and you STILL have to pay for those student loans.
RE: When we, ( I mean America, the "West" and probably Japan ) no longer make anything, or design anything, but only consume, consume consume... we will fall apart.
Too late. That started about twenty years ago.
Does nobody remember how England fell? Before Britian became an empire she produced shipbuilders, explorers, conquerors - when they started turning out staid middle managers and turning everything else over to the colonies, it was the beginning of the end.
RE: I moved to Tennessee and had to provide a social security card and a notarized birth certificate before I could even take a test here.
Sure, but you know, even people who are in the country on temporary visas, even TNs, are entitled to Social Security cards (in fact, you have to have one to work here, even for a few months), but they're stamped to the effect that they aren't valid without INS authorization (e.g. try to get a job with one, they'll ask for a visa).
Since most places insist you change your license within 30 days, you technically have to under a three year H1-B deal. So no, you can technically get a driver's licence without being a citizen (looks at his own driver's licence) and hey, that's why it isn't sufficient.
In 1996 I watched some Canadians being denied reentry to Canada because they didn't realize they needed something other than a driver's licence. Even though they smoked Export A, spoke like Bob McKenzie and had mullets, eh.
I'm a product of the Canadian/British educational systems and the American way of life.
In other words, I can read, write, spell and think critically. But I can also think for myself without being prey to a bunch of socialist dogma.
It isn't COOL.
Wheels should be COOL.