I was illustrating my opininon with an example most of the readership would be familiar with, therefore, it's entirely relevant. Now, do you actually have a point, or are just trolling?
That's exactly what we need the govenment for, thanks for spelling it out. If we had to wait for you to give any of your "hard earned" money voluntarily, we'd be here all day...
Frankly, with an attitude like that, the Russians should tell NASA to go fuck themselves and keep MIR in service. I don't think this Cold War bullshit is going to help the space program in any way...
When the next day I showed them that all of this could've been accomplished by hitting the right mouse button and choosing "create a shortcut" they were totally baffled.
Yeah, well, so fucking much for Windows being easy to use...
I'm not scared of a world govenment, because I know Americans and I know non-Americans, and aside from the accent, I can't tell them apart.
Anyway, whenever you buy anything from abroad, you are contributing to the economy of the source country, and that may or may not come back to bite you. That's how trade works, and the internet won't necessarily change matters.
Besides, if there was one world govenrment, there wouldn't be such thing as Mexico invading the US or Russia bombing Chechnia...
Yep, it was the same with me, four years ago. Pity the new Neons are so much uglier than the originals...:(
Actually, that seems to be a trend with American cars in general: A wonderful original design that gets messed with and uglified year after year until the model replacement...
The law passed in Kansas is a catastrophe, whichever way you want to paint it.
I don't remember Kansas passing laws regarding what parts of Physics should be in the curriculum or not. The fact that they felt the need to single out evolution is terrifying.
I'm not American, but I've lived here many years, and I don't see that there is a lack of a sense of community here, or how, even if there were, that would be a bad thing.
In fact, America is much less of a melting pot than it's purported to be. In cities like Paris or London the races work and live together much more closely than they do in, for example, Los Angeles.
Having lived in both Europe and the US for many years, I can tell you that whatever misconceptions the rest of the world may have about the US, they pale in comparison to American misconceptions about the rest of the world. I distinctly remember a Texan referring to Europe as "socialist police states"... LOL.
Besides, what the rest of the world thinks about the US is 95% the responsibility of the American media. If you feed the world a steady diet of "Walker, Texas Ranger" and Gangsta Rap, what do you want them to think?
As opposed to a monstrous Stalinist bureaucracy, of course. I think our respective biases are showing.:)
I guess they are showing, but Spain did end up under the thumb of the Catholic church, whereas the Stalinist bureaucracy is simple speculation.
After the Civil War Spain was mostly in ruins. They rebuilt rather well- better than, say, Greece or the Warsaw Pact nations.
Fuck that. The Civil War shouldn't have happened, and the responsibility for the destruction of the Spanish economy, and its failure to grow to match the rest of Europe are Franco's only.
Notice he never went all the way with them, though, in spite of major-league wheedling by Adolf. Franco knew Spain was in no shape to get involved in WW2 and wisely stayed neutral.
Neutral my ass. Spain was one of the main suppliers of raw materials for the German war machine, and sent troops to the Eastern front in several ocassions. Besides, Spain would have certainly been in the Allied side on WW2 hadn't it been for Franco.
No place is pretty if you're on the losing side of a civil war and have to run for your life. It still beats the hell out of living in Cuba at any time during the Castro regime.
Whatever. I'll take Castro over Franco, Pinochet or the Argentinian Junta any day of the week.
Well, maybe the belief in a God (maybe even a Creator) will not totally determine your views in AI, but if you believe in, say, souls, that will certainly color your position regarding machine consciousness and rights.
I would suspect that a scientist's religious beliefs would have no effect on their views on inorganic chemistry or geology, for example, but I think that they will probably bear on their views on evolution, animal consciousness or machine intelligence. Science is, at the end of the day, not some sacred entity, but the distilled product of what the scientists do.
I think you got the plot of Cradle confused with Michael Crichton's Sphere. Don't feel bad, though. They were both abominable crap, although Cradle more so.
Franco didn't have any right to keep anybody from coming to power in Spain, or to turn Spain into a monstrous Catholic theocracy that prevented it from being a reasonably prosperous European country, rather than the rural backwaters it was after the Civil War.
Spain would arguably have been better off if it had been involved in WWII on the right side, rather than flirting with the Axis like Franco did.
The comparison is not with Spain today, but with Spain under Franco, which wasn't a pretty sight.
Penrose put the stake through what exactly? It seems to me that Penrose is just going Theist in his late years... I don't really think the AI community at large takes him seriously.
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I was illustrating my opininon with an example most of the readership would be familiar with, therefore, it's entirely relevant. Now, do you actually have a point, or are just trolling?
Errr... Good point on your part and bad example on mine...
That's exactly what we need the govenment for, thanks for spelling it out. If we had to wait for you to give any of your "hard earned" money voluntarily, we'd be here all day...
Frankly, with an attitude like that, the Russians should tell NASA to go fuck themselves and keep MIR in service. I don't think this Cold War bullshit is going to help the space program in any way...
When the next day I showed them that all of this could've been accomplished by hitting the right mouse button and choosing "create a shortcut" they were totally baffled.
Yeah, well, so fucking much for Windows being easy to use...
I believe they are both technically correct, although "were" definitely sounds both more distinguished and more educated.
Yep, and the Montana Freemen can probably live without many other government services. So? Not everybody can or should be measured against you.
Well, Microsoft is proof enough that corporations don't necessarily come up with the best results, even in competitive, free market environments.
I'm not scared of a world govenment, because I know Americans and I know non-Americans, and aside from the accent, I can't tell them apart.
Anyway, whenever you buy anything from abroad, you are contributing to the economy of the source country, and that may or may not come back to bite you. That's how trade works, and the internet won't necessarily change matters.
Besides, if there was one world govenrment, there wouldn't be such thing as Mexico invading the US or Russia bombing Chechnia...
Yep, it was the same with me, four years ago. Pity the new Neons are so much uglier than the originals... :(
Actually, that seems to be a trend with American cars in general: A wonderful original design that gets messed with and uglified year after year until the model replacement...
The law passed in Kansas is a catastrophe, whichever way you want to paint it.
I don't remember Kansas passing laws regarding what parts of Physics should be in the curriculum or not. The fact that they felt the need to single out evolution is terrifying.
Drat... I had a calculator program that did that on the Amiga. Haven't seen any since. :(
I'm not American, but I've lived here many years, and I don't see that there is a lack of a sense of community here, or how, even if there were, that would be a bad thing.
In fact, America is much less of a melting pot than it's purported to be. In cities like Paris or London the races work and live together much more closely than they do in, for example, Los Angeles.
Having lived in both Europe and the US for many years, I can tell you that whatever misconceptions the rest of the world may have about the US, they pale in comparison to American misconceptions about the rest of the world. I distinctly remember a Texan referring to Europe as "socialist police states"... LOL.
Besides, what the rest of the world thinks about the US is 95% the responsibility of the American media. If you feed the world a steady diet of "Walker, Texas Ranger" and Gangsta Rap, what do you want them to think?
What do they have on the women in Dublin? :-P
As opposed to a monstrous Stalinist bureaucracy, of course. I think our respective biases are showing. :)
I guess they are showing, but Spain did end up under the thumb of the Catholic church, whereas the Stalinist bureaucracy is simple speculation.
After the Civil War Spain was mostly in ruins. They rebuilt rather well- better than, say, Greece or the Warsaw Pact nations.
Fuck that. The Civil War shouldn't have happened, and the responsibility for the destruction of the Spanish economy, and its failure to grow to match the rest of Europe are Franco's only.
Notice he never went all the way with them, though, in spite of major-league wheedling by Adolf. Franco knew Spain was in no shape to get involved in WW2 and wisely stayed neutral.
Neutral my ass. Spain was one of the main suppliers of raw materials for the German war machine, and sent troops to the Eastern front in several ocassions. Besides, Spain would have certainly been in the Allied side on WW2 hadn't it been for Franco.
No place is pretty if you're on the losing side of a civil war and have to run for your life. It still beats the hell out of living in Cuba at any time during the Castro regime.
Whatever. I'll take Castro over Franco, Pinochet or the Argentinian Junta any day of the week.
Well, maybe the belief in a God (maybe even a Creator) will not totally determine your views in AI, but if you believe in, say, souls, that will certainly color your position regarding machine consciousness and rights.
I would suspect that a scientist's religious beliefs would have no effect on their views on inorganic chemistry or geology, for example, but I think that they will probably bear on their views on evolution, animal consciousness or machine intelligence. Science is, at the end of the day, not some sacred entity, but the distilled product of what the scientists do.
They will be independent when Bill Gates unclenches his butt enough so that they can pull their tongues out...
That crap new SGI logo has to GO.
"Mongoose"? That would explain that guy posting as Rikkitikki... :)
I think you got the plot of Cradle confused with Michael Crichton's Sphere. Don't feel bad, though. They were both abominable crap, although Cradle more so.
Franco didn't have any right to keep anybody from coming to power in Spain, or to turn Spain into a monstrous Catholic theocracy that prevented it from being a reasonably prosperous European country, rather than the rural backwaters it was after the Civil War.
Spain would arguably have been better off if it had been involved in WWII on the right side, rather than flirting with the Axis like Franco did.
The comparison is not with Spain today, but with Spain under Franco, which wasn't a pretty sight.
Hey, someone moderate that post up, please...
Yeah, well, didn't they use to say the same about blacks, asians, women, the poor, and anybody who just didn't happen to follow the Deity of the Week?
Penrose put the stake through what exactly? It seems to me that Penrose is just going Theist in his late years... I don't really think the AI community at large takes him seriously.
There are self-aware machines. Us.