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  1. Re:Offtopic - really... on MS Dirty Tricks Archive Trickles Back Online · · Score: 1

    I've harbored strict disdain for MS's penchant for rewriting history for many years.

    Oh, come on anyone with enough power/money/social status has history rewritten to their benefit when they know that their is an account out their that puts them in a negative light. It's a basic human trait. What's the big shock that MS is trying to do what every human org has always done?

  2. Re:Ping on Building the Interplanetary Internet · · Score: 1

    ping marsbase.com.mars.sol
    When I saw the .sol in the presentation I was pretty impressed... theres a little bit of future proofing in that one....


    so will that mean all earth based websites will need earth.sol tacked on at the end? I think that NASA needs to come up with an IP spec that includes the computers GPS location. Um, currently GPS as far as I know just applies to Earth. NASA need to come up with a scheme of mapping the entire solar system for gps addresses.

    If I'm pinging myspaceprobe.org.asteriodbelt.sol from myhomecomputer.ar.us.earth.sol how the hell would all the intermediate hops know where in the asteriodbelt that my probe is? I can easily see them keeping track of the infrastructure orbiting planets or moons incase I was ping something at myprobe.europa.jupiter or myprobe.mimas.saturn, but if I'm sending a myprobe to some orbiting rock in sol, how would they narrow it down? Just wait one day they'll have to worry about myprobe.intransit.alphacenturi or some such.

  3. Re:I'm curious how you people think about this on Ex-judge Gets 27 Months on Evidence From Hacked PC · · Score: 1

    Because obviously the hacker is guilty of more crimes than that judge
    All this obviously without a court order, or even being in the police force.
    This is also seriously worse than the riaa has ever done. So what should the punishment for the hacker be ? Clearly he cannot go free, despite having caught this criminal.


    Um, death, kill the hacker! It doesn't matter that he might have tried to make himself good by ratting out one criminal. He broke into thousands of computers. He could have planted that information into thousands of computers and their users wouldn't have had a clue. All evidence this guy ever submitted should be declared illegal and unusedable in any criminal courts. I don't trust the word of a known criminal to provide true witness when he could just as easily planted a dozen emergency child porn collections that he knows about just in case he was ever busted that he could turn them in. Nah. I don't trust the hacker.

  4. Re:Bust the buster? on Ex-judge Gets 27 Months on Evidence From Hacked PC · · Score: 1

    Not to mention having access to 3000 other innocent people's systems including police and military personal. Not only that, but he could also view any email correspondence by that judge, which could have included sensitive court material.
    While his actions are most likely altruistic, he should be punished for his deeds and then be enlisted by some the Canadian police and do it legally.


    Sounds like the guy just wanted to hack into "important" peoples computers and see what they were doing. Um, this is illegal. I hope they throw the book at the guy and through out any and all evidence this guy may have "uncovered."

  5. Re:Lousy summary on Ex-judge Gets 27 Months on Evidence From Hacked PC · · Score: 1

    "Brad Willman, the Canadian hacker, forwarded the information to an anti-pedophile watchdog group, which then sent the information to Irvine police detectives." "Dubbed 'Citizen Tipster' by police, Brad Willman, spent night after night writing a Trojan Horse program that gave him complete control over every computer that downloaded it. "

    Um, o.k. how do we know that was actually the judge's porn stash and not evidence planted by Brad William to frame several thousand people? If he had complete control of their computers, he could have used them to do anything. If I were the judge, I'd pled innocent that Brad William put all of it on his hacked computer.

  6. Re:Updated Technology on NASA's New Mission to the Moon · · Score: 1

    The initial estimates are that this time around the mission is going to be far less expensive. One NASA official, who wished to remain anonymous, said, "CGI has really matured to a point where shooting a return to the moon is now viable. Instead of a sandy soundstage we'll simply have our guys in front of a greenscreen. In fact, some of the more optimistic estimates posit that by 2020 we won't even need live bodies in the studio."

    Just grab the guys that film the Star Trek TV shows, B5, the Star Wars movies, and the other popular space scifi shows and have them film a series that pretends to go out into space, build up space resources, and explore other planets. Why pay NASA as much as we do when we'd rather watch NASA space opera porn? Heck, let's just build a mock up space station, stick it full of cameras and have people pretend to be in space and do space experiments for a few years. You can just green screen the spacy background pics.

  7. Re:John Glenn is Pro ISS (In Case It Wasn't Clear) on US Not Getting Money's Worth From ISS · · Score: 2, Informative

    Both moon and mars programs have high potential for mining metals, including some that are very useful but rare in the Earth's crust (like platinum).
    I personally think manned moon and mars missions would be interesting without such a direct practical benefit, but if you want one, there you go.


    I'm sorry, but the price of platinum isn't several billion for a few kilograms of it. That's what we'd end up with from either a moon or mars mission. Energy collection is the easiest and shortest term project that has a visible payoff. Long term mining could be profitable. Short term it won't be happening. Heck, you'd have to bring back tons of rare metals to be able to break even. That's not a good ROI. We need solutions and reasons that the average person can see and want to spend money on. A space power station could be "cheaply" built and once built would require some routine maintance. Those routine space flights could be used for other purposes as well. We don't have a developed enough transport industry in space to mine yet. That's sort of like the spanish setting off to conquer and mine gold from the New World without being able to profitable build ships to transport the mined the gold or couldn't sail a ship one way across the ocean. We can barely repeatedly get out the gravity well. We need much better tech before the space age can start.

  8. Re:Back in my dad's day on States Seek Laws to Curb Online Bullying · · Score: 1

    The threat of violence works. It is what human beings are conditioned to respect. Bullies frequently get away with it because today they're protected by bureaucrats ranging from school employees to social welfare people to the legal system. You beat one up today, you get expelled and possibly prosecuted. All of the laws against the use of force by students protect the aggressor today, not the victim. School shootings only happen because people refuse to admit that people like bullies only understand the language of violence.

    I've used violence against bullies before, and I know from experience that it works. The more they bully, the more you make them suffer. Eventually, they get the idea and leave you alone. To paraphrase Heinlein, it's as easy as training a puppy.


    Um, both actions should be illegal. You aren't the cops, police or an authority figure. I don't want the police, teachers, or school admin beating the crap out of anyone they think or want to label as bullies. I don't think that you or those bullied should have to take it until you crack and commit what you see as corrective violence on the bully. Your corrective violence is wrong and is illegal and you should be locked up in jail for 30 days or so for punishment for it. Verbal assualt and threatening others is usually illegal or against the rules. Bullies should be thrown in jail as well. I don't want either set of violent prone individuals around me or my kids thank you. I'd want all the bullies or those that use corrective violence to be filtered into their own two seperate school systems and let them be keep away from those that haven't commited violence yet folks. The only solution to bullying is physical seperation from the bully. Violence on the bully isn't an acceptable form of treatment. Would you like all medical diseases or criminals to be treated to various forms of violence?

  9. Re:Stupid Stupid STUPID on States Seek Laws to Curb Online Bullying · · Score: 1

    That it happens in a school social setting is not new, as was stated, but the lack of training for students as to what constitutes libel, slander, or other actions that could result in litigation or penalties is sad.
    Oh give me a fucking break.
    Students shouldn't be "educated" on how to become even more litigious than we already are. What people should be educated on is how to *personally* deal with the problems they face and how to not take out anger and persecution on others.


    This is why we need life recorders ASAP for our kids safety! How do you defend yourself? You document and submit as evidence a/v files that this individual was harrassing you and you felt fear of your person and the work, home, or school environment wasn't safe with said bully around. We need life recorders and to teach our kids not to sue, but how to successfully bring charges against others ASAP to remove undesirables from the population that you interact with. Bullying and threatening are or should be illegal. As we currently exist, it is hard for a minor or students word to mean anything againt another minor, adult and sometimes authority figures. With life recorders, anyone that commits a crime against a person will have a/v evidence against them that the individual should be taught to bring to police notice and ask to file charges against people and use your rights to their fullest. Bullies are common. It's often a family condition. You might have to have restraining order filed against an entire family for your families's safety. This is what the law is for because it's illegal for you to have your private feud and kill each other off that away. Kids need to be taught to use what power/control that they have over others ASAP. It'll be good when 18-22 year old voters are a stronger voting block than the over 65 voting block.

  10. Re:This shit is out of control on States Seek Laws to Curb Online Bullying · · Score: 1

    Back in the day there weren't school shootings cause kids weren't taught to be little girls and cry everytime someone was mean, they were taught to stand up for themselves.

    I'm looking forward to the day that the bullies and folks like you are both held to adult criminal standards while in school and kids are taught to report and press charges on any bullies so we'd have these bullies all jailed. Verbal and physical assualt is wrong. It doesn't matter if you are 2, 6, 12, 18, 25, or 35. It is wrong and you should be sent some where bad and punished for it. The problem is that we seperate out minors and adults just because of age. We need to treat all humans the same and apply adult laws to current minors as soon as is practical. It might be that we should just lower the minor age from 18 to 12 or to 8. Once you get that age, you get arrested and go through a judical process of your peers and properly sentenced as any other person should be. I dislike this stand up for yourself line of BS. It doesn't work because typically standing up for yourself involves you breaking the law to beat the shit out of someone.

  11. Re:John Glenn is Pro ISS (In Case It Wasn't Clear) on US Not Getting Money's Worth From ISS · · Score: 1

    What John Glenn is actually saying is that the ISS should be getting more money so that it can fulfill its purpose and reach its true potential. There's been no follow-up with Glenn, but I'd imagine what he's really saying is that instead of cutting the ISS's budget to pay for manned missions to the Moon and Mars, how about increasing NASA's budget so it can make the ISS successful and also go to the moon?

    Nah, we need to cut NASA completely off. We need to give the department of energy the directive to build a space based solar power array. Let 'em hire the former NASA guys and just throw up big rockets that work to get it in space and working. Who cares about Mars, the moon, or space? We need energy and resources. It's "cheap/free" energy and resources that will make space attractive. If we spend billions launching anything into space it shouldn't be for just science reasons. It should have a return on investment that makes a few billion for our government. Um, going to the moon or mars are both currently wastes of money. Space based solor panels can atleast double as spaced based death rays as you get to beam the energy doun via microwaves so we could even have the DOD build it for our big stick polic policy cause its useful having a big stick to hit others with.

  12. Re:MTBF on Everything You Know About Disks Is Wrong · · Score: 1

    Finally, I think someone really ought to mention that there is no way that a disk manufacturer is actually going to measure MTBFs of 100000 hours prior to printing up the data sheets. The problem is that there are only around 750 hours in a month. And you need a reasonable number of failures (many quality guys would say at least 4) in order to get a reasonably valid MTBF. In order to actually measure a six digit MTBF, the manufacturer would have to run maybe 500 units for a month. My guess is that isn't going to happen. If they have the production line producing 500 units, they are going to ship them. Manufacturer MTBF data are surely based on data from a handful of engineering and preproduction units plus a bunch of wild guesses.

    Why is this allowed? Let's use our old fashioned car anaology. Consumer Reports, the government, and insurance companies, environmental groups and some other car buying groups buy production cars and run them for 3 months, 1 year, 5 years to get various stats to let folks know the things like what the real mpg or real cost of maintenance for a car is. Why don't we do the same things for our computers either by entire system or parts? (I'd say the old reason was that someone would just buy a new computer/part after 2-3 years rather than bother with properly rating parts.) Companies, government, and insurance should all want industries properly regulated with reliable stats. This is like just taking the automakers word that all their cars have 50+ mpg, last 1 million miles, and last 20 years with no one else verifying it. Um, come on its nature for the drive manufacters to slant things to their benefit. It's up to all their consumers and other folks to test, verify, and hold them accountable for their claims.

  13. Re:moving parts on Everything You Know About Disks Is Wrong · · Score: 1

    Every single mechanism with moving parts will fail. It's just a matter of when. In a few years, when everybody is using solid state drives, people will look back and shake their heads, wondering why we were using spinning magnetic platters to hold all of our critical data for such a long time.

    Well, electrons move so we are in trouble since all our computers are based on moving electricity!
    Eventually, entropy will get you no matter what you use.

  14. Re:Letting all your crimes be known? Would you? on Recording Your Entire Life · · Score: 1

    I'd look forward to all school bullies and sibling violence being treated as if they were adult crimes.

    Reminds me of the monitor Ender (and his siblings) had in Ender's Game. They weren't charged with anything for what they did, but it gave him some protection against anyone who wanted to hurt him - similarly, if someone was to be murdered, this (life recording) would make sure they're punished for it. Presuming the recording wasn't taken, which would mean it would have to be uploaded somewhere wirelessly.


    Ender was treated that way because he was an miltary resource not a normal child. There were tight enforced 1-2 child only policies as well. Having a 3rd child had a real social stigma. The only reason that Ender was allowed to be born was that he could be trained as a general for humanity. From what I got reading from the monitor, they were constantly judging if he'd make good material for their war school and constantly running a psych profile on him. I didn't get that the monitors were internal, but I may have missed that part.

  15. Re:Those around him... on Recording Your Entire Life · · Score: 1

    I wonder how those around him have been forced to change their lives based on the fact that they're being so thoroughly documented.

    Personally, the idea of this creeps me out. I mean, if you want to completely destroy your own privacy, I guess that's okay, but if you want to damage the my privacy by recording everything I do in your presence, then that's different.


    You are don't believe that you actually had privacy before? These things will just be records of the past. We will have people try to use them to control others. That's expected. That won't last. I'd expect youtube will end up with the most out of context embrassing videos of most people's lifes. Do you try to hide from everyone around you? Just because they'll forget you or not pay attention to you, doesn't mean that you had privacy. This tech could enable you to record and auto-tag every individual that you ever encounter. It'll be really cool when you can easily search through them though. Say you like looking at FBI's, your state's, or your cities most wanted or national missing and exploited childerns database. Well, you had this tech with some good ID tech, your software could automatically inform you or at your discretion the police or other authorities if you see a most wanted person or missing kid. I'd use it to id just the random people that work in my office building that I see day in and day out, but have no idea what their names are. I'd use it to search images of those people and come up with names, job titles, and work numbers. It'll be useful.

  16. Re:Letting all your crimes be known? Would you? on Recording Your Entire Life · · Score: 1

    I think the truth of it is that people (of all religions) need to realize that no one lives without fault/sin/whatever they call it, and be ready for the real brutal truth of all a person's dirty secrets.

    I'm a musician/creative type and I know that I wouldn't want a hard record of everything that goes on around me. I'm sure that everyone else has seen/done things they wouldn't want expressed eventually to the entire world.


    I think that it could be a good thing. I wouldn't want to be part of the 1-3rd generation that tries this, but from 4th generation onward it'll be the norm and every one every where will have their entire lives stored. Those people will have to live with the legal mistakes and mis steps of those early generation folks. I think that you'll see an ironclad digital personal privacy admendment somewhere around the time the 2n and 3rd generation are walking around with these things. The first generation will be the ones abused by the current system. The 2nd and 3rd generation will change the system and use their records against those that try to torment them. Those with the most documentation will when the legal battles. You just won't get more documentation than entire life recordings. The odd beware what you do cause God is always watching you won't be anything compared to beware what you do because everyone else could review your life and find out if you've been good or bad. Forget Santa & God, those guys generally stick to themselves, these devices could be real terror devices. I'd look forward to all school bullies and sibling violence being treated as if they were adult crimes. That'll be the first good thing to come out of this.

  17. Re:You think they missed the mark? on Recording Your Entire Life · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't suspect that in a few years we won't have terabyte storage on our personal devices, do you? That would be really short sighted. If we're still here in 7 or 8 years, 1TB will probably be pretty ho-hum.

    We have TB of HD space for what $700-$800? It's not quite there, yet. I get excited every time I look up the current prices/storage sizes of those USB thumb drives. When we can pick up 1TB of thumb drive space for $20-$40; this'll start happening far more than anyone previously thought.

    I could see folks using cell phones to silently record everything. We'd need some high speed automated way for a program to search an audio stream for selected text, or for all the audio to be converted to text with it noted, which different speakers are talking. We'd need the same to apply to video as well, but I think that'd be harder. I could see people streaming their life to video.google.com or some other site. It's only a matter of time.

  18. Re:Kneejerk Bans Don't Work on Australia Outlaws Incandescent Light Bulb · · Score: 1

    Instead of a ban, let's create an economic pressure. Tax the incadescent light bulbs, so that they are significantly more expensive than compact fluorescents, and use the money for conservation. This way, the shift will be natural, and the people who prefer/need incadescent bulbs, can still purchase them, albeit at 10X+ the current price.

    That's worse than a blanket ban. Actually, I'm all for efficency standards, but taxing a product out of the market isn't right. They could then use that as an excuse to tax any low priced products that they didn't like out of the market.

  19. Re:More likely on Fermi Paradox Predicting Humankind's Future? · · Score: 1

    The problem is, expansion is driven by population pressure. The kind of space travel you're theorizing wouldn't do a damn thing to relieve local population pressure, so it would be more of a sort of species level masturbation, to send out ships to make colonies that are so far away that you'd never be able to engage in any sort of trade or cultural exchange.

    You say that like it is a bad thing. I think most people wouldn't care what the rest of humanity is doing at any given time. I could easily see city ships of 50K-50M floating around just listening to science output of the rest but ignoring all other cultural exchange. We can't imagine what they'd compete for. I could see groups that are afraid of others such as Jews, Christians, Musliums each building and sending off their own religious state ships so that Earth's government woudln't meddle with the religious affairs of the various commnities. Could you envision the city ship slashdot? I wonder with space hab. if they would even bother splitting off to other solar systems or just sticking around in local space until the government or others started bugging them too much and then they'd just push off to do their own thing. Of course, they'd ignore the main culture of the rest of humanity, but that's a good thing in some respects.

  20. Re:There is nothing as unusual... on Fermi Paradox Predicting Humankind's Future? · · Score: 1

    Unless it is their goal not to disturb? A civilization sufficiently advanced that they're going around inspecting and cataloging life around the universe is almost certainly sufficiently advanced to hide their presence from the subjects they're studying.

    Come on, we could envision it. If you have the tech to get here, then you are in space. You either have STL or FTL. If you are STL, then you are prepared for long voyages. Now, how difficult would it be to leave 3-5 slightly monitoring stations in orbit around all the interesting planets for 3-5 million years or 3-5 billion years? Oh, anything we'd build would break with a few thousand years, but it should be possible to build a self repairing monitoring station that just watches the planet/system for a few million years and has all that data for when the next star ship comes by to pick it up. Ideally you'd automate vast portions of that. It could take thousands of years for recent data to get filtered back to where ever home is, but they could have really detailed long stats on every system of interest to them. If they noticed that a race was almost able to get into space/find/shoot down the monitoring stations, you could have them programmed to either hide the data, send it along or just move all the remaining monitoring stations into the sun so that they are disposed and the species doesn't learn much from them.

  21. Re:Well... the cop changed his mind. on Couple Who Catch Cop Speeding Could Face Charges · · Score: 1

    For those that are too lazy to read either article, it seems that they were also emailing the officer in question about his speeding and he wanted some kind of court order to prevent them from continuing to email them. Neither article clearly specifies what exactly the "stalking" was referring to: the actual recording of the speeding event, or the constant emails he received from them (or perhaps both).

    From what I read, the Stipples where doing a stupid thing. Em-ailing/spamming the cop in question about his speeding. That isn't what they should have done. They should have called their local police department and asked to speak to their on duty supervisor and/or their chief of police. He/she should listen and take their complait and start an IA on the police person in question. Police like going through "their chain of command" if you complain to the supervisor and the behavior isn't corrected, then you complain to the chief of police. The chief of police will listen to the complaint and if they side with you, will come down either like the wraith of god on that one officer or more likely issue new general orders/policy statements that the next police person that is reported by a citizen for speeding toward a non-emergency incident will be in trouble. The news article didn't make clear if the Stipples ever complained to the supervisors. It sounded from that source like they just repeatedly e-mailed the single cop that was speeding infront of their house. That's just the wrong way to do get a policy change made.

  22. Re:Whoever is crazy enough to download drivers on Listing of Vista Drivers · · Score: 1

    I mean, all good intentions aside, but drivers are binary files, it's rediculous enough that most of them aren't digitally signed even when downloaded from the original manufacturer. But explain why exactly this site is sending us to "files.3dnews.ru" to download ATI drivers???

    Shit, I can't even come up with a hooker/unprotected sex analogy that's silly enough to describe this.


    Oh, damn now that made me actually think of one. All OS driver sex is bad because you just can't find "clean" virgins out there. Open source drivers are in theory "safer" as they'll let you check to see if they are either a virgin or clean of STDs or drugged up though no one really bothers with that when installing anything opensource. (They trust that some one else has checked so its safe.) In the closed source world, companies give out free fairly clean sex to only their customers though each companies method of finding these girls is completely obtuse and each of these girls is really picky and will only perform if you are exactly her type that doesn't apply if you've downloaded one of those unified universal drivers that applies to their entire product line, those girls will generally put out for any of their companies customers. Now, this site makes it easy to find these free and some times hard to find girls, but you don't know if these girls are the clean STD free girls just for you, or a STD/drugged up hooker lookalike that has been downloaded only by the most gullible.

    How is that for a hooker/unprotected sex analogy?

  23. Re:I just don't get it... on Kansas Adopts New Science Standards · · Score: 1

    Well, that Adam and Eve story is the entire basis of Christianity, because that's where sin originated. If there is no original sin, then what was Jesus sent to save us from? If Jesus was just a man who was trying to preach love, he wouldn't be the savior of the world, whatever that means.

    So that's why Christians have to not believe evolution. If they accept evolution, then the entire point of Christianity is called into question.


    I've never felt comfortable with Christainy or with the concept of sin. What is sin? Anything God doesn't like. Who says what God doesn't like? Priests/Preachers/little old ladies in the back of the church (you know who I mean.) I believe in a supreme being that created the universe. I've not come to a conclusion if that being just started the universe or if the being is the universe or if the universe was spawned from other universes and we are just by products, or if the supreme being is actively playing with the universe or us. I think that we'd be below the notice of the supreme being for the most part. Religion is about enforcing a set moral code on your populance. When you have a religious people following the basic morals of your religion then you don't need a police state. It's always been non practical to deploy the kinds of police states slashdot likes to theorize about. Religious states are the closest to a mental police state where everyone monitors everyone else for obeying the rule set. This is why people like things like the ten commandments. Really, we'd like 5 now a days : don't steal, don't kill other citizens, don't rape, and don't commit assault or battery, and behave yourselves! Your average person can't remember more than 4-5 rules anyway so you shouldn't expect them to be able to be able to follow 10. I can't wait until we build God or something like John Ringo's Mother that could track every living thing on the planet. We could then slip in 1 rule for people to remember don't do anything that Mother wouldn't like. Why? Because Mother could instantly fry any one's ass on the planet. That was the old school reason for following God. How long will it take folks to build one to enforce their rule set on everyone else?

  24. Re:"God Says it" on Kansas Adopts New Science Standards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally I'm less bothered by teaching science; I just wish the US would start teaching a bit of history, like the the idea that the country was founded on the principle of religious tolerance.

    Yes, it's really surprising that we turned out so well considering those Pilgrims. They basically were religious Nazis that killed off the native Indians rather than convert them to Christiainty. The natives weren't human because they weren't white European Christains so it was o.k. to kill them off.

    The only religious tolerance that this country even thought about was for various sects of non-Calthoic christainity. We've only recently started to pretend that religions other than our versions of Christainity may get any tolerance.

    Actually, it could be argued that slashdot is a religious forum that worships open source and Linux and bashes MS and Bill Gates as their models for earthly material evil. That really boils down the slashdot community right there.

  25. Re:Cue the music on US Group Wants Canada Blacklisted Over Piracy · · Score: 1

    Peace is good for business.
    and
    War is good for business.

    This is slightly better than the Bush let's invade two countries foreign policy.

    I would guess there are several companies that profit hugely from this policy ...


    Well, peace would dominate when there are more multinationals that depend on peace to do business within your two countries and are actively lobbing in both of them. If peace doesn't matter if I'm selling McDonald's to the public, then I'm not going to push it. If I make war toys or war related toys, duh of course I'm going to push war. If I don't do any business in that other country, but could use an engineered war to open their market, duh of course I'll use a war footing for our advantage. If I'm selling sneakers, or clothing and want to sell them that other country, I might have to push for peace in order for that other country to have any money to buy our products.

    It's interesting though that this conflicty is 1st World nation against 1 resource 3rd worldish nation. Other than oil, there isn't anything in Iraq that the average US person cares about. Now, if we were having disagreements with France, UK, Germany, Japan, China, or Canada, well there are tons of US/forgein/multinational businesses that wouldn't want a 1st world vs 1st world war. You could blink and it would stop. There wouldn't be any money for most businesses in it. The war toys companies have sweet long term R&D deals with their governments for just in case emergencies. They'd like to make more money, but they know that all the economic trouble with all the various businesses and trade wouldn't make war popular. We just need more peace oriented companies