Nobody is telling them they have to stop using VB6, Microsoft says there won't be anymore releases for it. No more security upgrades, and the API's of the future will no longer be VB6 friendly. Why Microsoft keep an decade old API around?
This is a problem with some developers they get too comfortable and don't want to learn anything new, and they don't want to loose their job. I have a friend who works with many people like this. They are horrible developers and don't want to learn.NET, because it scares them. From stories that he has told me they shouldn't be programming VB6 code much less programming a VCR. So I am not sure if putting these guys out of work is such a bad thing.
Also why should Microsoft continue to support a language that they are no longer developing, or using, or plan on using. They have moved into a new area of development, over 3 years ago. The developers that use VB6 had plenty of time to learn.Net or move into PHP, Java, Pyton, etc.
Hey if the customers select the restaurants that lie to them and keep going to them, who is at fault? Fool me once shame on your, fool me twice shame on me. I have walked out of places where I thought the prices were too high before. People need to grow up and stop thinking that everything needs to be micro-managed by government.
Don't forget about the people that don't know McDonalds coffee is hot.
Personally I think the market should sort stuff out in these cases. If there are so many people that don't like the service because the website doesn't reflect current pricing, then the service will fail, or the company will update their website based on feed back.
Either way these kinds of actions can only lead to small businesses that don't primarily deal through the web, getting rid of their web site. Because I can't imagine that a resturante has enough money in most cases to keep a full time or even part time web developer around.
I can't wait this is going to be awsome to develop on. If it is everything they are making it out to be, which is doubtful at this time, I would love querying my file system with SQL, and attaching XML meta data to the files.
I think you are partly right and partly wrong. With Open Source all that you get is the recognition of your project in most cases. If one person draws all the attention away from the group then you can feel left out and angry. How many people here can name any of the people on the FireFox team that haven't been in Wired Magazine. No cheating...
There are probably not many and personally I think this is what drives some of the negativity.
A couple times I have posted a bug to the FireFox Bugzilla, both times they have been duplicates. Both times I have been critisized by the person managing the bug to look before submitting. Both times the title of the bug has been totally different than anything I would have thought of.
Most of the problems come from the lack of dealing with other people. Many of these developers shouldn't be doing the customer interaction. That is why even in small companies 1st level tech support is not the developer who created/developed the project.
Google isn't going to make an OS. That would be one of the most worse ideas out there. The market is already over saturated with OS. Google needs to stick with what they know. Service based web aplications.
Not surprising that Colleen Kollar-Kotelly actually overturned this. She has always been against any kind of free speech as a number of her rulings have shown. She is also a big democratic supporter and the wrath the bloggers gave to John Kerry last election was enough for her to through her guantlet down.
I guess this is what you have come to expect from the American Left these days. If you can't get things done through the election booth use the courts to get it done.
Yes you are a fool, because there are many other IDE's out there besides VisualStudio that I am sure you could have had them buy you. Like Borlands. Or you could just use Emacs or Notepad. What did you gain from your pride nothing but loosing a good paying job.
>> Hear you arrest sikh schoolboys who wear fake one inch daggers on a necklace.
That was a local incident, it doesn't represent the whole country. In American there are 3 levels of government. Federal, State, and Local. The incident that you talked about happened at the local level so it doesn't even represent less than 1% of the population. However with the schoolgirls and the scarves that was a mandate from the government of France.
What a surprise! I am being sarcastic of course. Frances moto seems to be do as we say not as we do. Their leaders sit there and takes oil kick backs while critizing the US for getting into a war for oil. France you are quickly becomming the red-headed-step-child that nobody takes seriously and always laughs at.
>> Which country would that be? (and don't dare say the US, because they are not about free >> enterprise either, otherwise stop the high taxes on softwood lumber and other goods).
The US has a tax rate of about 35%/year. It's not even the lowest there are many countries even going lower than that because their government is supported through free enterprise. They take the French phrase Leise Phair (I know I messed the working up) litterly. Too bad the French don't even take lessons from their own history.
But back to your comment, the US is a fine example of Free Enterprise, because companies like Google and/. can prosper and have the equal right to work and make them selves as un-equal as their abilities will allow... THAT IS FREE ENTERPRISE... And I know you can come up with sensationalized examples of how that is not true, but you have to realize that, one example, is the exception to the rule not the rule it self.
I totally agree with this statement. Google is footing the bill so they can choose to do what ever they want. I am getting tired of Frances socialist attitude twords everything, they mascarade around as a democracy, but when it comes time to actually act like one they fall flat on their faces. They have the worst excuse for Free Speach until you get to 3rd world contries controled by dictators. They baby their citizens so much by giving them free everything, and they pay though their nose in taxes for it. Then they have the nerve to put tariffs on other countries who have a tax rate less than their 70%.
The French need to grow up and realize that some countries still beleive in economics and free enterprise, while France may not, they don't control the world and they can't force their socialist views on the rest of the world.
So did I, there seemed to be no point to the comment. I was waiting for something like "So go read a French book... The greatest French war heros... if you can find the sheet of paper"
I totally agree, this is the first time I have ever heard that the French people had books and knew who to write to boot. Geez what would we do without this guy telling us that French people have books too.
You right it also means that they don't have to waste their time on comming up with an other API for C or C++. They can work on something they like to do, such as developing.net for *nix.
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I thought there was an OSS release of VB6 a couple months ago? I remember something like that being posted on /.
Nobody is telling them they have to stop using VB6, Microsoft says there won't be anymore releases for it. No more security upgrades, and the API's of the future will no longer be VB6 friendly. Why Microsoft keep an decade old API around?
VBScript doesn't equal VB6
Yeah and Open Source languages have really taken off. Granted there is Pyton and PHP, but lets not forget programming languages like D, and C+++.
This is a problem with some developers they get too comfortable and don't want to learn anything new, and they don't want to loose their job. I have a friend who works with many people like this. They are horrible developers and don't want to learn .NET, because it scares them. From stories that he has told me they shouldn't be programming VB6 code much less programming a VCR. So I am not sure if putting these guys out of work is such a bad thing.
.Net or move into PHP, Java, Pyton, etc.
Also why should Microsoft continue to support a language that they are no longer developing, or using, or plan on using. They have moved into a new area of development, over 3 years ago. The developers that use VB6 had plenty of time to learn
Stop whining...
Hey if the customers select the restaurants that lie to them and keep going to them, who is at fault? Fool me once shame on your, fool me twice shame on me. I have walked out of places where I thought the prices were too high before. People need to grow up and stop thinking that everything needs to be micro-managed by government.
>> Basically, consumers were screwed.
Well luckily there is more than one resturante in the city.
Don't forget about the people that don't know McDonalds coffee is hot.
Personally I think the market should sort stuff out in these cases. If there are so many people that don't like the service because the website doesn't reflect current pricing, then the service will fail, or the company will update their website based on feed back.
Either way these kinds of actions can only lead to small businesses that don't primarily deal through the web, getting rid of their web site. Because I can't imagine that a resturante has enough money in most cases to keep a full time or even part time web developer around.
I can't wait this is going to be awsome to develop on. If it is everything they are making it out to be, which is doubtful at this time, I would love querying my file system with SQL, and attaching XML meta data to the files.
Take a look at the informal definition of http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=customerc ustomer.
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>> i say we should appreciate them rather than criticize them
I say if they can't handle the pressure get out of the game.
I think you are partly right and partly wrong. With Open Source all that you get is the recognition of your project in most cases. If one person draws all the attention away from the group then you can feel left out and angry. How many people here can name any of the people on the FireFox team that haven't been in Wired Magazine. No cheating...
There are probably not many and personally I think this is what drives some of the negativity.
A couple times I have posted a bug to the FireFox Bugzilla, both times they have been duplicates. Both times I have been critisized by the person managing the bug to look before submitting. Both times the title of the bug has been totally different than anything I would have thought of.
Most of the problems come from the lack of dealing with other people. Many of these developers shouldn't be doing the customer interaction. That is why even in small companies 1st level tech support is not the developer who created/developed the project.
Google isn't going to make an OS. That would be one of the most worse ideas out there. The market is already over saturated with OS. Google needs to stick with what they know. Service based web aplications.
Yes but she overturned the ruling now not in 2000.
Not surprising that Colleen Kollar-Kotelly actually overturned this. She has always been against any kind of free speech as a number of her rulings have shown. She is also a big democratic supporter and the wrath the bloggers gave to John Kerry last election was enough for her to through her guantlet down.
I guess this is what you have come to expect from the American Left these days. If you can't get things done through the election booth use the courts to get it done.
THIS IS LAME AND SO IS COLLEEN KOLLAR-KOTELLY.
Yes you are a fool, because there are many other IDE's out there besides VisualStudio that I am sure you could have had them buy you. Like Borlands. Or you could just use Emacs or Notepad. What did you gain from your pride nothing but loosing a good paying job.
>> Hear you arrest sikh schoolboys who wear fake one inch daggers on a necklace.
That was a local incident, it doesn't represent the whole country. In American there are 3 levels of government. Federal, State, and Local. The incident that you talked about happened at the local level so it doesn't even represent less than 1% of the population. However with the schoolgirls and the scarves that was a mandate from the government of France.
What a surprise! I am being sarcastic of course. Frances moto seems to be do as we say not as we do. Their leaders sit there and takes oil kick backs while critizing the US for getting into a war for oil. France you are quickly becomming the red-headed-step-child that nobody takes seriously and always laughs at.
>> Which country would that be? (and don't dare say the US, because they are not about free
/. can prosper and have the equal right to work and make them selves as un-equal as their abilities will allow... THAT IS FREE ENTERPRISE... And I know you can come up with sensationalized examples of how that is not true, but you have to realize that, one example, is the exception to the rule not the rule it self.
>> enterprise either, otherwise stop the high taxes on softwood lumber and other goods).
The US has a tax rate of about 35%/year. It's not even the lowest there are many countries even going lower than that because their government is supported through free enterprise. They take the French phrase Leise Phair (I know I messed the working up) litterly. Too bad the French don't even take lessons from their own history.
But back to your comment, the US is a fine example of Free Enterprise, because companies like Google and
I totally agree with this statement. Google is footing the bill so they can choose to do what ever they want. I am getting tired of Frances socialist attitude twords everything, they mascarade around as a democracy, but when it comes time to actually act like one they fall flat on their faces. They have the worst excuse for Free Speach until you get to 3rd world contries controled by dictators. They baby their citizens so much by giving them free everything, and they pay though their nose in taxes for it. Then they have the nerve to put tariffs on other countries who have a tax rate less than their 70%.
The French need to grow up and realize that some countries still beleive in economics and free enterprise, while France may not, they don't control the world and they can't force their socialist views on the rest of the world.
ahhh... come on this librarian was really asking for it.
So did I, there seemed to be no point to the comment. I was waiting for something like "So go read a French book... The greatest French war heros... if you can find the sheet of paper"
Now it's considered the language of whiny people with nothing productive to do.
I totally agree, this is the first time I have ever heard that the French people had books and knew who to write to boot. Geez what would we do without this guy telling us that French people have books too.
You right it also means that they don't have to waste their time on comming up with an other API for C or C++. They can work on something they like to do, such as developing .net for *nix.
It's a 20MB runtime environment, and a 200MB SDK envieronment.