It also has the benifit of allowing their products to be used on *nix in the future. If the Mono guys do a good enough job and Microsoft gets products such as Office and Excahnge running in.Net, with a combiniation of Mono and maybe a little help from Wine Exchange could run in.Net and that would be added income for Microsoft. Then from that point the next step from a Linux/Exchange combination is a Windows/Exchange combination. So it's win/win for Microsoft and they get the publicity.
Everybody talks about living under the mercy of Microsoft when using Mono, but really it isn't an different than living under the mercy of Sun, both companies have their history of sqaushing compitition.
Mono is a wonderful piece of reverse engineering, many of these apps I didn't even realize were Mono apps and I have been using them for a while now. In addition I found a couple that I am going to start using such as portage-sharp.
Keep up the good work Mono team, I love C#, and I love how you are brining it to *nix.
I fear the day when Microsoft will come and snatch this out from under the Mono team, but I really think this benifits Microsoft just as having an open source version of Java benifits Sun.
No spam involved. It's on my signature, just like everybody else who has a signmature. But I guess some people are less enterprising than others which may be the reason you haven't been paid in months.
This is really offensive use of the Law and even though I like Lexmark products I wish they would fail as a business, because I beleive in punishing companies though the use of the consumers walets. I am not going to buy their products anymore, one person won't matter but if everybody does this or at least all/.ers it will be a big step.
I think you are missing the point. Two simularly set-up machines. What use is Linux as a server if it doesn't have any software on it used for servering web pages.
Does anybody in this forum actually realize that humans produce CO2 by breathing? Or is it just me? I heard yesterday on the BBC that China and India hadn't joined yet, and they are predicted to product the most CO2. So I guess if they want to join Kyoto they need to start killing people, since they are the two largest nations in the world, population wise. I am just kidding on that last part, but really there is no solid evidence about CO2 actually cuasing global warming.
There really isn't any evidence of global warming at all. Because inorder to do a _valid_ study you have to have a control group. (i.e. a pervious full cycle of the earth to measure it against, if I remember my earth science right it's about 23,000 years) So you are telling me we are killing the earth when it has survived molton lava and being iced over?
If you could actually read, and I really doubt you read my whole post. I was saying that Martha Stweart Inc., was the one that took the brunt of all the bad press, because there stock dropped heavily. This was because they shared the same name and when Martha Stweart the person got in trouble the company with her name sake also took the heat. Just like what is going to happen to Linux, if one distro has a bad year it will drag the rest of the OS's down with it. The name sake is too close because they all carry around the same name.
This is one of the problems with "Linux", people compare Windows, the OS, to Linux, the kernel. I bet most of the patches from Red Hat were non-kernel related patches. However this is the beast that will have to be dealt with soon, because as soon as a company like Red Hat or Suse or who ever has a bad patch year it is going to bring down the whole Linux community, economically. It's just like Martha Stewart and how her company went in the tank because her name was attached to it. The name Linux is tied to closely to the OS's, that is my point.
Oh boy I can't wait.:) But I don't think FireFox is going to have anywhere near the problems of spyware that IE has. But I think the bigger threat is phishing attacks. I have already received e-mails from spammers trying to give my information to PayPal. And this was only announced yesterday. What is this world comming too. Can't anybody make an honest dollar anymore.
If you read he says it's a creaky Sony Vio, it was most likely running something like Windows ME or 98. I seriously doubt it was XP, because you at least get the stupid firewall that should keep some programs at bay for more than 4 mins when you first install it.
I totally agree with you. Anybody stupid enough to put any OS out with out a firewall should be shunned from any user group and laughed out of/. instead of givin a front page article.
Come on this sounds likea wives tale, only four mins being on the internet? That is just bad external protection, and if he truely set up Windows XP without lying about the time it should have had the Firewall (though stupid should keep stuff at bay for more than 4 mins). I really think this is a hoax or just unscrupulas jornalism.
I can't wait there have been a few bugs in FireFox that I hope they fix. But all in all keep up the good work guys, I am a little peaved you missed a delivery date, but I can deal.
I think the next big milestone is when/. starts rendering correctly by fixing their HTML.
Hopefully he will listen to many of the concerns of corporations and the GPL use with in. If they make a better GPL it will be awsome, because my company won't be so hesitant to use or develop anything under the GPL. My company's biggest complaint with GPL is anything developed using GPL libraries must be GPL and released. They just want to make money and contribute back when it's nessisary and important.
What about the question "Is there such a thing as seperation of church and state?", because this is a big one that always comes up. Because a ton of people I talk too of all ages thinks there is a seperation defined in the first amendment.
In actuallity there is no seperation defined in the first amendment, or any other amendment, just the restriction of the government enacting laws that limit the worship of a citizen. (see http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constituti on.billofrights.html#amendmenti)
It's just certain people in the government, now, that like to censor the use of churches during politics, because they know their base doesn't attend or beleive in what people that go to chruch beleive. But I am guessing because this is being reported on CNN that the group that conducted this research blatently ignored the most disgusting representation of the first amendment that has been going on for the last 50 years. There are those out there that have even convicned judges to enact laws to take down religious based artifacts from court houses because they violate the first amendment.
I admit that it wasn't until I was out of college until I really started taking my constitutional rights seriously, so don't blame this on the students. It is the teachers fault, and the teachers of the teachers, that are really to blame for pandering to teachers unions, which tend to lean in the direction that doesn't usually support the first amendment in it's entirity.
You really have nothing, all that you can do is pick apart my post in a hope to make everybody think that it is not relativent. However, you short answers really show that my post was right on the money and you really have nothing but hate for Microsoft to post against a company that made a "standard" (for Office 2003) and put it out there for others to use.
Of course they want you to use their product. However by making it open they make their product more viable to the developer, and if there are other projects that use this "standard" they will gain more money.
I guess to the hate mongers at/., no matter what Microsoft does is going to be wrong.
You tell them to open their products XML schema, they do, and you hate them more.
You tell them to release software under an open source license, they do, and you hate them more.
I guess this next part is more of an open ended question to the people that just want to hate Microsoft for making money off software.
What can Microsoft do inorder for you to say, this is a turning point that will satisfy both us/.ers and the Microsoft people.
Microsoft has only freed up the right to use their XML schemas. This move doesn't change the way they sell Office. They still get their revenue from selling Office.
It sounds like you are saying it is a bad thing for a company to gain money from something they invest time and research money in? Let me ask you what you do, unless you get paid by the government or university, your company is doing the same thing on some level. And if you work for the government, or university you are just adding an extra layer to the process. So people get paid from comercial companies, and then they pay the university or government though taxes or grants.
I would really like to know what you point is. What are you not going to be happy until we move to a totally un-capitalistic society (i.e. socialism)? A majority of research money to advance technology comes from what companies take in as profit. That includes the money that Microsoft gives to universities, to advance computer science, and thus advance Linux as well as all other software. Every company contributes this way, Apple, Red Hat, IBM, Microsoft, etc. And the leaches over at the Linux Kernel group just take the technology and don't contribute anything to the universities.
So I don't sound like a total troll, the Linux Kernel by proxy goes and helps IBM, and Red Hat to donate to these causes. Also Apple, and Microsoft are probably two of the largest contributers to universities and thus Open Source, even though both of them do very little for the open source community.
You should really check your hate at the door when replying to these articles. In addition you mentioned that 50% of Office users have a pre-2003 version, it is probably higher than that, but does that mean they should just cease development on the product and stop moving it forward. In addition somebody has to define the schema for the files, why not Microsoft?
Go Defense contracting. Many of the large companies Boeing, Lockheed, Ratheyon, Northrup, all have long term needs to for programmers, and many of them work very interesting jobs. Althought if you are a person that likes to talk about what you are doing with yoru spouse, it probably isn't the best place. Unlike many industries defense programming jobs CANNOT be shipped over seas.
If you are looking for a job change, I know Lockheed is down in San Diago.
At the outset you seemed to be typing yourself as anti-lock-in. I'm confused.
I was saying that the chipset in the iPod supports WMP, so why not offer it.
Most people choose the lesser of two evils, and here you are, proposing that Apple sleeps with the devil.
Spoken like a true Apple-Koolaid drinker. The fact is that Microsoft hasn't locked people into there format like Apple has. By that I mean there are many places, 10+, that you can get WMP's from all with ranging incentives and prices. When looking for songs from the AAC format there is 1 place where you can get songs from, with one incentive, and one price. I am waiting for the day that Apple raises it's price to 1.10 or whatever they may do and people start really caring about having a compeditor with AAC format.
In addition Microsoft isn't squashing WMP providers that are comming up from the woodworks as long as they are licenced. Apple is squashing anybody that tries to offer an alternative to AAC, Real is a good example of this.
And talking about the devil, Microsoft can't even get up to the level of dictatorship that Apple likes to force over it's users.
I agree they are the big guy in the market now, but there are many players out there currently that have more to offer than iPod. For example my Rio Karma, I not only got if for 1/2 the price of my iPod, it also supports UPnP, Ogg, WMP, MP3, [host of other formats], great sounds, and Rio went out of the way to include some good equipment, such as the Sennheiser mx300 head phones.
Given enough time people are going to start switching away from iPod, if iTunes doesn't open the doors to the AAC format.
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It also has the benifit of allowing their products to be used on *nix in the future. If the Mono guys do a good enough job and Microsoft gets products such as Office and Excahnge running in .Net, with a combiniation of Mono and maybe a little help from Wine Exchange could run in .Net and that would be added income for Microsoft. Then from that point the next step from a Linux/Exchange combination is a Windows/Exchange combination. So it's win/win for Microsoft and they get the publicity.
Everybody talks about living under the mercy of Microsoft when using Mono, but really it isn't an different than living under the mercy of Sun, both companies have their history of sqaushing compitition.
Why do you say this Mono has done a good job at implimenting the CLR from the ECMA specifications?
Mono is a wonderful piece of reverse engineering, many of these apps I didn't even realize were Mono apps and I have been using them for a while now. In addition I found a couple that I am going to start using such as portage-sharp.
Keep up the good work Mono team, I love C#, and I love how you are brining it to *nix.
I fear the day when Microsoft will come and snatch this out from under the Mono team, but I really think this benifits Microsoft just as having an open source version of Java benifits Sun.
No spam involved. It's on my signature, just like everybody else who has a signmature. But I guess some people are less enterprising than others which may be the reason you haven't been paid in months.
What you don't like Mac or something. Sorry I am a little strapped and I need to upgrade from my old Mac.
This is really offensive use of the Law and even though I like Lexmark products I wish they would fail as a business, because I beleive in punishing companies though the use of the consumers walets. I am not going to buy their products anymore, one person won't matter but if everybody does this or at least all /.ers it will be a big step.
I think you are missing the point. Two simularly set-up machines. What use is Linux as a server if it doesn't have any software on it used for servering web pages.
Does anybody in this forum actually realize that humans produce CO2 by breathing? Or is it just me? I heard yesterday on the BBC that China and India hadn't joined yet, and they are predicted to product the most CO2. So I guess if they want to join Kyoto they need to start killing people, since they are the two largest nations in the world, population wise. I am just kidding on that last part, but really there is no solid evidence about CO2 actually cuasing global warming.
There really isn't any evidence of global warming at all. Because inorder to do a _valid_ study you have to have a control group. (i.e. a pervious full cycle of the earth to measure it against, if I remember my earth science right it's about 23,000 years) So you are telling me we are killing the earth when it has survived molton lava and being iced over?
If you could actually read, and I really doubt you read my whole post. I was saying that Martha Stweart Inc., was the one that took the brunt of all the bad press, because there stock dropped heavily. This was because they shared the same name and when Martha Stweart the person got in trouble the company with her name sake also took the heat. Just like what is going to happen to Linux, if one distro has a bad year it will drag the rest of the OS's down with it. The name sake is too close because they all carry around the same name.
But you went off on some tangent about a TV show.
I don't know this really sounds like a cover up to me.
This is one of the problems with "Linux", people compare Windows, the OS, to Linux, the kernel. I bet most of the patches from Red Hat were non-kernel related patches. However this is the beast that will have to be dealt with soon, because as soon as a company like Red Hat or Suse or who ever has a bad patch year it is going to bring down the whole Linux community, economically. It's just like Martha Stewart and how her company went in the tank because her name was attached to it. The name Linux is tied to closely to the OS's, that is my point.
Oh boy I can't wait. :) But I don't think FireFox is going to have anywhere near the problems of spyware that IE has. But I think the bigger threat is phishing attacks. I have already received e-mails from spammers trying to give my information to PayPal. And this was only announced yesterday. What is this world comming too. Can't anybody make an honest dollar anymore.
If you read he says it's a creaky Sony Vio, it was most likely running something like Windows ME or 98. I seriously doubt it was XP, because you at least get the stupid firewall that should keep some programs at bay for more than 4 mins when you first install it.
I totally agree with you. Anybody stupid enough to put any OS out with out a firewall should be shunned from any user group and laughed out of /. instead of givin a front page article.
Come on this sounds likea wives tale, only four mins being on the internet? That is just bad external protection, and if he truely set up Windows XP without lying about the time it should have had the Firewall (though stupid should keep stuff at bay for more than 4 mins). I really think this is a hoax or just unscrupulas jornalism.
I can't wait there have been a few bugs in FireFox that I hope they fix. But all in all keep up the good work guys, I am a little peaved you missed a delivery date, but I can deal.
/. starts rendering correctly by fixing their HTML.
I think the next big milestone is when
Hopefully he will listen to many of the concerns of corporations and the GPL use with in. If they make a better GPL it will be awsome, because my company won't be so hesitant to use or develop anything under the GPL. My company's biggest complaint with GPL is anything developed using GPL libraries must be GPL and released. They just want to make money and contribute back when it's nessisary and important.
What about the question "Is there such a thing as seperation of church and state?", because this is a big one that always comes up. Because a ton of people I talk too of all ages thinks there is a seperation defined in the first amendment.
i on.billofrights.html#amendmenti)
In actuallity there is no seperation defined in the first amendment, or any other amendment, just the restriction of the government enacting laws that limit the worship of a citizen. (see http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitut
It's just certain people in the government, now, that like to censor the use of churches during politics, because they know their base doesn't attend or beleive in what people that go to chruch beleive. But I am guessing because this is being reported on CNN that the group that conducted this research blatently ignored the most disgusting representation of the first amendment that has been going on for the last 50 years. There are those out there that have even convicned judges to enact laws to take down religious based artifacts from court houses because they violate the first amendment.
I admit that it wasn't until I was out of college until I really started taking my constitutional rights seriously, so don't blame this on the students. It is the teachers fault, and the teachers of the teachers, that are really to blame for pandering to teachers unions, which tend to lean in the direction that doesn't usually support the first amendment in it's entirity.
You really have nothing, all that you can do is pick apart my post in a hope to make everybody think that it is not relativent. However, you short answers really show that my post was right on the money and you really have nothing but hate for Microsoft to post against a company that made a "standard" (for Office 2003) and put it out there for others to use.
/., no matter what Microsoft does is going to be wrong.
/.ers and the Microsoft people.
Of course they want you to use their product. However by making it open they make their product more viable to the developer, and if there are other projects that use this "standard" they will gain more money.
I guess to the hate mongers at
You tell them to open their products XML schema, they do, and you hate them more.
You tell them to release software under an open source license, they do, and you hate them more.
I guess this next part is more of an open ended question to the people that just want to hate Microsoft for making money off software.
What can Microsoft do inorder for you to say, this is a turning point that will satisfy both us
It sounds like you are saying it is a bad thing for a company to gain money from something they invest time and research money in? Let me ask you what you do, unless you get paid by the government or university, your company is doing the same thing on some level. And if you work for the government, or university you are just adding an extra layer to the process. So people get paid from comercial companies, and then they pay the university or government though taxes or grants.
I would really like to know what you point is. What are you not going to be happy until we move to a totally un-capitalistic society (i.e. socialism)? A majority of research money to advance technology comes from what companies take in as profit. That includes the money that Microsoft gives to universities, to advance computer science, and thus advance Linux as well as all other software. Every company contributes this way, Apple, Red Hat, IBM, Microsoft, etc. And the leaches over at the Linux Kernel group just take the technology and don't contribute anything to the universities.
So I don't sound like a total troll, the Linux Kernel by proxy goes and helps IBM, and Red Hat to donate to these causes. Also Apple, and Microsoft are probably two of the largest contributers to universities and thus Open Source, even though both of them do very little for the open source community.
You should really check your hate at the door when replying to these articles. In addition you mentioned that 50% of Office users have a pre-2003 version, it is probably higher than that, but does that mean they should just cease development on the product and stop moving it forward. In addition somebody has to define the schema for the files, why not Microsoft?
Go Defense contracting. Many of the large companies Boeing, Lockheed, Ratheyon, Northrup, all have long term needs to for programmers, and many of them work very interesting jobs. Althought if you are a person that likes to talk about what you are doing with yoru spouse, it probably isn't the best place. Unlike many industries defense programming jobs CANNOT be shipped over seas.
If you are looking for a job change, I know Lockheed is down in San Diago.
At the outset you seemed to be typing yourself as anti-lock-in. I'm confused.
I was saying that the chipset in the iPod supports WMP, so why not offer it.
Most people choose the lesser of two evils, and here you are, proposing that Apple sleeps with the devil.
Spoken like a true Apple-Koolaid drinker. The fact is that Microsoft hasn't locked people into there format like Apple has. By that I mean there are many places, 10+, that you can get WMP's from all with ranging incentives and prices. When looking for songs from the AAC format there is 1 place where you can get songs from, with one incentive, and one price. I am waiting for the day that Apple raises it's price to 1.10 or whatever they may do and people start really caring about having a compeditor with AAC format.
In addition Microsoft isn't squashing WMP providers that are comming up from the woodworks as long as they are licenced. Apple is squashing anybody that tries to offer an alternative to AAC, Real is a good example of this.
And talking about the devil, Microsoft can't even get up to the level of dictatorship that Apple likes to force over it's users.
Sorry about the spelling and grammer, it's early.
Well people start to care when they see a song on every other service, except iTunes and realize that iTunes doesn't have everything.
I agree they are the big guy in the market now, but there are many players out there currently that have more to offer than iPod. For example my Rio Karma, I not only got if for 1/2 the price of my iPod, it also supports UPnP, Ogg, WMP, MP3, [host of other formats], great sounds, and Rio went out of the way to include some good equipment, such as the Sennheiser mx300 head phones.
Given enough time people are going to start switching away from iPod, if iTunes doesn't open the doors to the AAC format.