Well.. my mail client pops up and asks me if I would like to send a return receipt to those who ask for it. So do most others, or they simply ignore it. I wasn't implying they send it without asking.
Remember, any running process could be trying to allocate memory, not just a new one you are trying ot use.
If you simply deny further memory allocations (which is what is normaly done on most operating systems) stuff stops working.. software is designed thining it can always get more memory if needed. Things get weird.. so this feature was added in an attempt to at least do something.
Killing off processes that aren't asking for new memory, rather than having things just slowly go insane would seem like a slightly better choice.
Of course, it's still horrible.. but generally, you don't run out of VM anyway, right? The main 'feature', if you will, of swap is that the more you use in relation to physical memory, and the more swapping you do, the slower things get due to time spent swapping... so if you pick your swapfile size right, you should notice a gradual degradation of speed as you eat up more and more memory. Even if you have enough physical ram, swap is a good idea for this reason. (otherwise, you smack into that out-of-memory error with no warning)
Who asked for features? I just pointed out that they can be real assholes for no reason.
I'm only pointing out that they like to show off their product, encourage everyone to use it, and then act like assholes towards a lot of the new poeple using it. Not exactly nice neighbour behavior.
Email may not be personal; it is the same as a postal address... okay. I will grant that.
When I move out of my apartment, and the new occupant moves in, I don't "OWN" the mailbox.
HOWEVER... any mail addressed to ME at his address is still mine, and it's a crime for him to open it, or hijack it, or what have you.
It may not be possible to tell who email is for without reading part of it.. but this is where common sense comes in.
I've had postal mail misdelivered that I've opened to find out who it rightfully belonged to, because there was no other way; call me a criminal if you want, but those who received their misdelivered packages in time for Christmas were nothing but grateful.
Besides, the situation you describe is not what happened; they didn't hand out her email address to someone else; they simply didn't turn it off and other people thought she was receiving their email.
Look at phone numbers.. you don't own your phone number either, but the telephone company generally tries to give some time between recycling numbers. If you cancel your phone tomorrow, and I get your number the next day, and get calls for you, if I pretend to be you, that's fraud.
Get the picture?
Also, Canada has stronger privacy laws than the US.... communications that can be reasonably expected to be private are generally protected.
Interestingly enough, the courts established (rightly so) years ago that radio communications have no expectation of privacy because they are broadcast; specifically, analog cellular phones. That's why you can still buy subversive things like cellular scanners in Canada.
Of course it's not lossless; that would violate modern physics.
But the amount of energy lost to friction is huge in modern trains.. if you ran it on maglev, and in vacuum, you would have only a small fraction of the friction to deal with, and that means saving the same amount of fuel... even counting the power required to run the maglev (Which you can't ignore of course)
How different do you think the air pressure is at, say, 40,000 feet and on the moon? I'll give you a hint: it's not much.
Do you need a pressure suit if the outside pressure increases by 1 atmosphere? What about when you head back up? You can lose that 1atm in seconds. Does it kill you? Not likely.
Now.. of course there are issues with rapid pressure loss.. lung overexpansion being primary, the bends (not likely with 1atm difference) as well.
But losing 1 atmosphere will not make your blood boil and your eyes pop out of your head. And you won't explode.
This is not about loss of service; this is about the ISP collecting personal email on her behalf when her account was suspended and she could not get them. If, say, your apartment manager suddenly decides you can't get your mail in your mailbox because he's kicking you out... that is a federal crime. (In Canada & the US alike)
This is not lost mail; the mail was not lost; the mail was right there, everyone knew where the mail was, she just couldn't get at it.
Email is unreliable? The email system in general is desgigned NOT to lose email. If anything, you get duplicates. Yes, mail CAN get lost.. but that's not the case here.
The case here is that everything worked fine and the ISP accepted mail for her and wouldn't give it to her (becuase her account was cut off due to their mistake). That's why it's a privacy issue.
And return-receipt-to is generally sent by the mail client.. not the daemon.
Sorry, that mail protection does not come at a fee. If I write a letter, put your name on it, and drop it in YOUR mailbox (no postal system involved) it is still a crime for someone else to open that letter.
How does that not cut it? When you move out of your apartment, it's a crime for the new occupants to open your mail, or to keep your mail, or to throw your mail away; they are obliged to put it back noting it was misdelivered. It was NOT for them.
When your account with an isp is cancelled, they should not be collecting email on your behalf.
When paypal freezes your account for investigation, they should not be accepting payment.
For instance, why were they accepting private email on her behalf if she didn't have access to it? One could construe that to be a privacy violation, amongh other things. If her account was inactive, mail should not have been accepted on her behalf.
She isn't suing because of a service failure on their part.. she's suing them for accepting mail on her behalf while refusing service to her.
Are you one of those guys who bitches at every probe nasa sends as not ambitious enough? Look at the whole scope of what they do and say it's not ambitious. What should they do.. stop sending any kind of probe anywhere and do what.... research on fusion rockets? Oh wait, they already do that... research antigravity? Oh.. they already do that too...
You probably won't be happy until they start hollowing out the moon and then launching it into interstellar space.
Hey look.. I fully realize that OpenBSD doesn't "OWE" me anything, including features I want.
My point was that the key players seem to come across as assholes a lot of the time. It's not that they don't want to add a new features; they can pick and choose what they develop, of course...
My point wasn't that they should add features, it was that, if you ask about a feature that was left out, they proceed to lambast you and/or tell you why that feature "Sucks". They would be better off to say "we just didn't see it as important" and be polite.
Often they would be better off simply not responding.
Because Tivo doesn't really care. They are doing this, probably, so that they can safely say that joe average doesn't have these features.
Do you think they are so stupid as to think that the community won't crack this? of course they know it will.. the point is that they be seen as shipping a product with these features disabled.
If it's too easy, and already public knowledge, they will change it, otherwise they could be seen as supporting those features, and could end up in court. Forcing peopel to go through this kind of crap makes it so it's easy for them to point out that it's unsupported, not part of their main product, etc.
I am free to remove that muffler if I wish. Ford cannot sue me for removing the muffler. Ford cannot prevent me from doing it.
I can do whatever I want TO it, but laws regulate what I cna do WITH it.
Local noise bylaws are what prevent me from driving around with no muffler; it's rude, inconsiderate, and directly affects the peace of mind of others in my community.
If I buy a tivo, I am also free to do whatever I want TO it. IF I decide to walk out on the street and bash your head in WITH it... there are laws against that.
What laws are those? THe public good of a business climate? People come first. Unauthorized use? What unauthorized use? Copyright law permits me to make copies of those tv shows I'm recording, as many as I want, provided I'm not distributing them.
The DMCA covers technical copyright protection mechanisms; but the mdeia being recorded onto a tivo was not protected in the first place, so it's doubtful the dmca could really be brought to bear.
Regarding unpatched installs.. I'm talking about real world applications here, not newbies setting up their first network. How secure it is out of hte box is not as much of a concern; I lock it down anyway. THat means OpenBSD takes me 5 minutes less to set up. Whoptie doo.
Secondly: No policy routing. If I am wrong, PLEASE let me know... but from what I can see, OpenBSD does not do policy routing. I require policy routing.
A large corporate user might use OpenBSD, but can you explain to me how I can use OpeNBSD on a 4 or 8 processor box and get any kind of speed increase out of it? No? That's my point. Clustering works, but only to a point and only for some applications.
OpenBSD does some firewalling tasks very elegantly and uniquely.. and for that they get a cookie.. but overall it lacks.
As for your cheapshots... 1) Putting up unconfigured installs on the net is stupid anyway. 2) Everyone quotes how 'security enhanced' OpenBSD is... like some kind of blind dumb mantra. Yes, they audit the code like mad, yes, the default install is secure. And when I put up my debian box for a firewall... it has no services running either, and you would be HARD pressed to get into it that quickly.
You can make the argument that a firewall should be as simple as possible, in which case OpenBSD is fine.. but it lacks flexibility that I need.
What I miss was that old (but not the oldest) sun keyboard with the blank key. No label, nothing. It returned a keycode. but had no default function that I am aware of.
One one hand, we have people professing how great it is and that anyone should use it, and on the other, we have a community that is so elitist that they come down like the mighty hammer of God on anyone who isn't already an expert.
Something could be more user friendly? That's because it's for experts only.
Some feature isn't added that everyone else has? That's because nobody REALLY needs it, and it sucks anyway.
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Well.. my mail client pops up and asks me if I would like to send a return receipt to those who ask for it. So do most others, or they simply ignore it. I wasn't implying they send it without asking.
Is that not the same thing?
And this is an old, old issue....
Yeah, like nobody knows that.
The point is that you CAN tell, after a fashion, that something was destined for you or not.
If it says "Dear Joe Martinez" and your mane is Jay Martin.. obviously it is not for you.
The current process IS the running process.
Remember, any running process could be trying to allocate memory, not just a new one you are trying ot use.
If you simply deny further memory allocations (which is what is normaly done on most operating systems) stuff stops working.. software is designed thining it can always get more memory if needed. Things get weird.. so this feature was added in an attempt to at least do something.
Killing off processes that aren't asking for new memory, rather than having things just slowly go insane would seem like a slightly better choice.
Of course, it's still horrible.. but generally, you don't run out of VM anyway, right? The main 'feature', if you will, of swap is that the more you use in relation to physical memory, and the more swapping you do, the slower things get due to time spent swapping... so if you pick your swapfile size right, you should notice a gradual degradation of speed as you eat up more and more memory. Even if you have enough physical ram, swap is a good idea for this reason. (otherwise, you smack into that out-of-memory error with no warning)
Who asked for features? I just pointed out that they can be real assholes for no reason.
I'm only pointing out that they like to show off their product, encourage everyone to use it, and then act like assholes towards a lot of the new poeple using it. Not exactly nice neighbour behavior.
THAT is my only point.
Email may not be personal; it is the same as a postal address... okay. I will grant that.
When I move out of my apartment, and the new occupant moves in, I don't "OWN" the mailbox.
HOWEVER... any mail addressed to ME at his address is still mine, and it's a crime for him to open it, or hijack it, or what have you.
It may not be possible to tell who email is for without reading part of it.. but this is where common sense comes in.
I've had postal mail misdelivered that I've opened to find out who it rightfully belonged to, because there was no other way; call me a criminal if you want, but those who received their misdelivered packages in time for Christmas were nothing but grateful.
Besides, the situation you describe is not what happened; they didn't hand out her email address to someone else; they simply didn't turn it off and other people thought she was receiving their email.
Look at phone numbers.. you don't own your phone number either, but the telephone company generally tries to give some time between recycling numbers. If you cancel your phone tomorrow, and I get your number the next day, and get calls for you, if I pretend to be you, that's fraud.
Get the picture?
Also, Canada has stronger privacy laws than the US.... communications that can be reasonably expected to be private are generally protected.
Interestingly enough, the courts established (rightly so) years ago that radio communications have no expectation of privacy because they are broadcast; specifically, analog cellular phones.
That's why you can still buy subversive things like cellular scanners in Canada.
Of course it's not lossless; that would violate modern physics.
But the amount of energy lost to friction is huge in modern trains.. if you ran it on maglev, and in vacuum, you would have only a small fraction of the friction to deal with, and that means saving the same amount of fuel... even counting the power required to run the maglev (Which you can't ignore of course)
How different do you think the air pressure is at, say, 40,000 feet and on the moon?
I'll give you a hint: it's not much.
Do you need a pressure suit if the outside pressure increases by 1 atmosphere? What about when you head back up? You can lose that 1atm in seconds. Does it kill you? Not likely.
Now.. of course there are issues with rapid pressure loss.. lung overexpansion being primary, the bends (not likely with 1atm difference) as well.
But losing 1 atmosphere will not make your blood boil and your eyes pop out of your head. And you won't explode.
Frictionless, or nearly frictionless?
If you remove ALL the air, and run it on maglev, there is no friction.
Since when is maglev "nearly frictionless"? Am I missing something?
(i'm referring to the maglev system, not air friction, pretend we are on the moon here)
This is not about loss of service; this is about the ISP collecting personal email on her behalf when her account was suspended and she could not get them.
If, say, your apartment manager suddenly decides you can't get your mail in your mailbox because he's kicking you out... that is a federal crime. (In Canada & the US alike)
This is not lost mail; the mail was not lost; the mail was right there, everyone knew where the mail was, she just couldn't get at it.
Email is unreliable? The email system in general is desgigned NOT to lose email. If anything, you get duplicates. Yes, mail CAN get lost.. but
that's not the case here.
The case here is that everything worked fine and the ISP accepted mail for her and wouldn't give it to her (becuase her account was cut off due to their mistake). That's why it's a privacy issue.
And return-receipt-to is generally sent by the mail client.. not the daemon.
Sorry, that mail protection does not come at a fee.
If I write a letter, put your name on it, and drop it in YOUR mailbox (no postal system involved) it is still a crime for someone else to open that letter.
How does that not cut it? When you move out of your apartment, it's a crime for the new occupants to open your mail, or to keep your mail, or to throw your mail away; they are obliged to put it back noting it was misdelivered. It was NOT for them.
When your account with an isp is cancelled, they should not be collecting email on your behalf.
When paypal freezes your account for investigation, they should not be accepting payment.
etcetera.
Right.. but there are other laws as well.
For instance, why were they accepting private email on her behalf if she didn't have access to it? One could construe that to be a privacy violation, amongh other things. If her account was inactive, mail should not have been accepted on her behalf.
She isn't suing because of a service failure on their part.. she's suing them for accepting mail on her behalf while refusing service to her.
Are you one of those guys who bitches at every probe nasa sends as not ambitious enough? Look at the whole scope of what they do and say it's not ambitious.
What should they do.. stop sending any kind of probe anywhere and do what.... research on fusion rockets? Oh wait, they already do that... research antigravity? Oh.. they already do that too...
You probably won't be happy until they start hollowing out the moon and then launching it into interstellar space.
Hey look.. I fully realize that OpenBSD doesn't "OWE" me anything, including features I want.
My point was that the key players seem to come across as assholes a lot of the time. It's not that they don't want to add a new features; they can pick and choose what they develop, of course...
My point wasn't that they should add features, it was that, if you ask about a feature that was left out, they proceed to lambast you and/or tell you why that feature "Sucks". They would be better off to say "we just didn't see it as important" and be polite.
Often they would be better off simply not responding.
let me ask you this.
You are all talking about how cracking this seems "wrong" and whatnot...
Has Tivo complained? No?
Shut up.
Because Tivo doesn't really care. They are doing this, probably, so that they can safely say that joe average doesn't have these features.
Do you think they are so stupid as to think that the community won't crack this? of course they know it will.. the point is that they be seen as shipping a product with these features disabled.
If it's too easy, and already public knowledge, they will change it, otherwise they could be seen as supporting those features, and could end up in court. Forcing peopel to go through this kind of crap makes it so it's easy for them to point out that it's unsupported, not part of their main product, etc.
I am free to remove that muffler if I wish. Ford cannot sue me for removing the muffler. Ford cannot prevent me from doing it.
I can do whatever I want TO it, but laws regulate what I cna do WITH it.
Local noise bylaws are what prevent me from driving around with no muffler; it's rude, inconsiderate, and directly affects the peace of mind of others in my community.
If I buy a tivo, I am also free to do whatever I want TO it. IF I decide to walk out on the street and bash your head in WITH it... there are laws against that.
What laws are those? THe public good of a business climate? People come first. Unauthorized use? What unauthorized use? Copyright law permits me to make copies of those tv shows I'm recording, as many as I want, provided I'm not distributing them.
The DMCA covers technical copyright protection mechanisms; but the mdeia being recorded onto a tivo was not protected in the first place, so it's doubtful the dmca could really be brought to bear.
Regarding unpatched installs.. I'm talking about real world applications here, not newbies setting up their first network. How secure it is out of hte box is not as much of a concern; I lock it down anyway. THat means OpenBSD takes me 5 minutes less to set up. Whoptie doo.
Secondly: No policy routing. If I am wrong, PLEASE let me know... but from what I can see, OpenBSD does not do policy routing. I require policy routing.
A large corporate user might use OpenBSD, but can you explain to me how I can use OpeNBSD on a 4 or 8 processor box and get any kind of speed increase out of it? No? That's my point.
Clustering works, but only to a point and only for some applications.
OpenBSD does some firewalling tasks very elegantly and uniquely.. and for that they get a cookie.. but overall it lacks.
As for your cheapshots...
1) Putting up unconfigured installs on the net is stupid anyway.
2) Everyone quotes how 'security enhanced' OpenBSD is... like some kind of blind dumb mantra. Yes, they audit the code like mad, yes, the default install is secure.
And when I put up my debian box for a firewall... it has no services running either, and you would be HARD pressed to get into it that quickly.
You can make the argument that a firewall should be as simple as possible, in which case OpenBSD is fine.. but it lacks flexibility that I need.
What I miss was that old (but not the oldest) sun keyboard with the blank key. No label, nothing. It returned a keycode. but had no default function that I am aware of.
The mystery key.
That's when you run out of virtual memory.. not physical, and that's a last resort feature that you want to plan never to run into.
THe alternative is just to stop allocating memory and let everything crash.
Right.
That's the problem with OpenBSD.
One one hand, we have people professing how great it is and that anyone should use it, and on the other, we have a community that is so elitist that they come down like the mighty hammer of God on anyone who isn't already an expert.
Something could be more user friendly? That's because it's for experts only.
Some feature isn't added that everyone else has? That's because nobody REALLY needs it, and it sucks anyway.
He means you don't use it to do tons of things on one server.
Usually because you can't run it on large hardware (lack of SMP support).
Oh, you CAN, of course, it's a solid bsd... but you smack into scaling problems on any kind of volume.
As a firewall and a router, it is NOT as functional as Linux, and there are things it simply will not do that linux will.
Okay.. it's me pet peeve.. but...
Can OpenBSD do policy routing?
I don't mean "kind of in some situations with this hack".. but actual policy routing.
Not to mention that OpenBSd allows remote root login via ssh... something that has traditionally been verbotten.