This has nothing to do with instant messaging.. it's about the actual AOL signon procedure.. not AIM.
And trillian rocks.... to be sure. Needs some UI work.. some stuff you really have to hunt for. Needs proxy support.. and needs file transfers to work properly.. but otherwise, it's superb.
Good points.
Like any job, you have to be aware of how it can harm you.
If you lift things all day, you know to lift with your legs, not your back, or else you end up with long-term back problems.
Same with a computer.. If you rely on your wrists/hands for your income... please, learn to sit properly, type properly, use a mouse properly, and get some exercise on those wrists/hands (and I don't mean from frequent computer use).
That's all it takes to keep your hands healthy and strong.
Firstly.. I don't think that 'all graphical programs are limited in UI'.
In general, they are.
If I take a windows PC, and a Linux PC, and I want to do something 'innovative'.. like have my IP address automatically posted to a web page, and have my incoming ICQ messages automatically logged to a file, as well as copied & zipped to another file, then ftp'd to a remote host...
These sort of tasks are very difficult to automate in Windows, and very straightforward to automate in unix. That's why people think this way.
And on your point about the unix philosophy being 'mistaken'. You seem to think ifconfig should output exactly what you want... like a single ip address, for instance. The problem is.. that philosophy requires the designer of ifconfig to determine exactly what kinds of output every potential user might want, and forsake the rest.
That's not the unix way; the unix way is to make the program output as much information as you could reasonably want, and let OTHER tools sort it out, so the user can always get what they want.
To give context, he's discussing full transparent process migration, so a process can move *completely* to new hardware, transparently. If this were the case, you could build a 'true' cluster where tasks could move around to different hardware at will.
He's saying that current 'clustering' solutions are NOTHING like this. They are all application specific. Veritas, Sun, whoever is offering you clustering technology is simply offering you their own version of something you can probably think up at home.
He's saying, in point 2, that to have real QOS you need to have redundant hardware, but the unwritten context is that it's not really 'redundant' if processes can't switch to it seamlessly. Otherwise it's just 'other' hardware.
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Well.. true. Even the drug trade is messed up!
Look at it...
The standard drug-dealer measurements for marijuana.. for instance. You sell in grams.. but then as soon as it's over 2, you switch to fractions of an oz.. then the pound.
Yet, with cocaine, you go from grams, or fractions thereof, to the famous '8-ball' or eighth of an ounze', and eventually switch back to Kilograms! It's messed up I tell you!
I've heard this over and over again.. and having travelled around the world a bit, I've come to two conclusions.
The first, is factual. There is no such continent as 'America'. Canada, the US, Mexico, Nicaragua, Costa Rica... are all in 'North America'. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, etc... are in 'South America'. So saying 'America' must mean something ELSE....
The second is observational. When anyone in the world says 'American', they mean someone from 'The United States of America'. I even hear my fellow Canadians refer to them as 'Americans' all the time, you probably do it too. How else do you refer to our neighbors? United Statsians? Get real.
'American' is a term, the world over, that refers to those citizens of the United States. Get used to it.
I do not consider myself part of 'America'. I am from 'Canada'.
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No.. it doesn't. It is based off a certain number of arc-seconds or whatever at the equator, so in a sense, yes, it's derived from the roundness of the earth, but has no other practical value once you go to a different latitude.
It's just a traditional number.
BTW.. the meter is also based on the earth..
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Get real. Hell.. I grew up in a Metric country (Canada), and it doesn't bother me one bit to hear imperial measurements used.
Imperial measurements are still official in the US.. so who are you to tell them NOT to use them?
Raster does NOT work for 'Mandrake'. His co-developer on E is nicknamed 'Mandrake', this has nothing at all to do with Mandrake Linux...
And Mandrake used to work at VA (Still does? I have no idea, haven't checked).
Yeah.. I have done quite a bit of rs232 programming, both past and present.
You can change your calculations by a character or two.. I just chose 4 off some web page.. I don't know what the 'standard' is.. but it's not far off.
I still doubt you can type fast enough that the only thing slowing you down is the 300 baud modem... that's my point.
So... what's your point about HW flow control? You talk about how you are some kind of expert because you wrote some terminal program.. but what's your point?
RTS/CTS is not going to slow a 300 baud modem down enough so you can type faster than it can eat.
Yes.. for a few characters in a row, you MAY exceed 300bps.....but that's still not 'typing faster than the modem'. You may experience a delay while waiting for the remote echo from whatever software you are using.. so you might think you are going 'faster' than the modem.. but you aren't.. you're just waiting for processing & return on the other end.
Perhaps it's because, in the last several years, unix went from having a few small window managers, to having many... many wrote wm's just for fun...
Then.. things stabilized.... I mean, if you wanted to make a new wm. how do you compete with E? nothing is that sexy looking (or that bloated.. of course).
There are basically enough window managers already... there's nothing else you need.
You want a new release of E? Why? is it a car, where the manufacturer has to release a new model every year? Come on.. they only do that to try to make you think your car is 'old'.
A Baud is not a Bit. You don't have a 9600 Baud modem.. you have a 9600bps modem, operating at propbably 2400 baud.
The maximum theoretical baud rate on a phone line is about 3200 baud or so.. I'm not positive what's used for each bps rate.
I believe 28.8k modems use 9bits per baud... making the line 3200 baud...
Hmm... I believe 300 baud/bps is 30 cps.... you have 10 bits per character. (start & stop bits)
As for your 'steady stream of characters'.... uhh...that's irrelevant. You don't wait on rts/cts unless either end is saturated.. and even then, they are plenty fast enough not to interfere. Using HW flow control does not slow down your connection. The modem would drop CTS to the computer when it's buffers are full, and can no longer accept bytes from the computer.. and would raise it again when it's ready.
The modem can keep up with your typing, to be sure.
I believe it's general to assume the average word is 4 characters.... so 30cps/4=7.5wps.... * 60 seconds is 450 WPM. That sounds high.. someone find a flaw in my math? Looks right to me though...
So you say don't even really touch-type, and you can type 450 words per minute? I don't think so.
I have 100 workstations here. Each needs office, which means each needs windows.
People need office so they can a) look at some simple spreadsheets, created by some accounting staff, and b) Use a word processor for doing reports.
This costs me a great deal of money. on top of good hardware, I have to intsall Windows on them all, plus Office.. that adds up to a grand a workstation just in software.
I can use Linux + Staroffice and save myself 100 grand.. how hard is that to figure out?
The person placing the bet is an entirely different matter than the bookie.
Placing a bet is, in many jurisdcitions, illegal.
Running a book isn't.
Just like... the laws governing a few friends playing a game of poker is veyr different than someone running a poker room, taking a cut of the action.
If stereo providers move out of the country, you tax the goods as they come into the country.. that's already done, tha'ts what 'import duty' is for.
Perhaps we need to question the necessity of taxes in the first place... why should the government be able to take a piece every time money is exchanged? that's rediculous.
You are right that it's a problem.. but the problem is the thought that 'we should be able to tax this but we can't'. That's wrong... they SHOULD NOT be able to tax everything.
I'm not saying taxes are bad.. but there has to be a limit.
You talk about compensating, via a tax on electricity or something.. but compensating for what? How much money does the government need? how do you put a limit on it? Cause these days.. you don't.. they just tax whatever they can get away with taxing.
Again.. I suspect that the real reason behind such regulation is either Religious, or Greed...
The state want's it's taxes.
Gambling is regulated so the government can make money.. period. Every other 'excuse' for regulation is just that.. an excuse. 'Let us take care of that.. we're the government... that's our job'.
Why not something that works like a 3d treadmill? indiviual platforms that can raise/lower/move (collectively when necessary) to match your movements.
You could do stairs.... everything.
No. It's probably not.
It's stressful on the eyes to focus on something too close.. that's all.
This only appears in one eye.. you don't try to focus on it.. should be fine.
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This has nothing to do with instant messaging.. it's about the actual AOL signon procedure.. not AIM.
And trillian rocks.... to be sure. Needs some UI work.. some stuff you really have to hunt for. Needs proxy support.. and needs file transfers to work properly.. but otherwise, it's superb.
Because this isn't directly a copyright issue.
The DMCA makes breaking a copy protection mechanism illegal.. which this isn't.
That's what high school science doesn't explain properly. Energy is a mathematical property...
There's not really any such thing as 'pure energy'.
Good points.
Like any job, you have to be aware of how it can harm you.
If you lift things all day, you know to lift with your legs, not your back, or else you end up with long-term back problems.
Same with a computer.. If you rely on your wrists/hands for your income... please, learn to sit properly, type properly, use a mouse properly, and get some exercise on those wrists/hands (and I don't mean from frequent computer use).
That's all it takes to keep your hands healthy and strong.
Firstly.. I don't think that 'all graphical programs are limited in UI'.
In general, they are.
If I take a windows PC, and a Linux PC, and I want to do something 'innovative'.. like have my IP address automatically posted to a web page, and have my incoming ICQ messages automatically logged to a file, as well as copied & zipped to another file, then ftp'd to a remote host...
These sort of tasks are very difficult to automate in Windows, and very straightforward to automate in unix. That's why people think this way.
And on your point about the unix philosophy being 'mistaken'. You seem to think ifconfig should output exactly what you want... like a single ip address, for instance. The problem is.. that philosophy requires the designer of ifconfig to determine exactly what kinds of output every potential user might want, and forsake the rest.
That's not the unix way; the unix way is to make the program output as much information as you could reasonably want, and let OTHER tools sort it out, so the user can always get what they want.
I think he's saying two different things.
To give context, he's discussing full transparent process migration, so a process can move *completely* to new hardware, transparently. If this were the case, you could build a 'true' cluster where tasks could move around to different hardware at will.
He's saying that current 'clustering' solutions are NOTHING like this. They are all application specific. Veritas, Sun, whoever is offering you clustering technology is simply offering you their own version of something you can probably think up at home.
He's saying, in point 2, that to have real QOS you need to have redundant hardware, but the unwritten context is that it's not really 'redundant' if processes can't switch to it seamlessly. Otherwise it's just 'other' hardware.
Well.. true. Even the drug trade is messed up!
Look at it...
The standard drug-dealer measurements for marijuana.. for instance. You sell in grams.. but then as soon as it's over 2, you switch to fractions of an oz.. then the pound.
Yet, with cocaine, you go from grams, or fractions thereof, to the famous '8-ball' or eighth of an ounze', and eventually switch back to Kilograms! It's messed up I tell you!
I've heard this over and over again.. and having travelled around the world a bit, I've come to two conclusions.
The first, is factual. There is no such continent as 'America'. Canada, the US, Mexico, Nicaragua, Costa Rica... are all in 'North America'. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, etc... are in 'South America'. So saying 'America' must mean something ELSE....
The second is observational. When anyone in the world says 'American', they mean someone from 'The United States of America'. I even hear my fellow Canadians refer to them as 'Americans' all the time, you probably do it too. How else do you refer to our neighbors? United Statsians? Get real.
'American' is a term, the world over, that refers to those citizens of the United States. Get used to it.
I do not consider myself part of 'America'. I am from 'Canada'.
No.. it doesn't. It is based off a certain number of arc-seconds or whatever at the equator, so in a sense, yes, it's derived from the roundness of the earth, but has no other practical value once you go to a different latitude.
It's just a traditional number.
BTW.. the meter is also based on the earth..
Get real. Hell.. I grew up in a Metric country (Canada), and it doesn't bother me one bit to hear imperial measurements used.
Imperial measurements are still official in the US.. so who are you to tell them NOT to use them?
Raster DID work at Redhat....
Raster does NOT work for 'Mandrake'. His co-developer on E is nicknamed 'Mandrake', this has nothing at all to do with Mandrake Linux...
And Mandrake used to work at VA (Still does? I have no idea, haven't checked).
Yeah.. I have done quite a bit of rs232 programming, both past and present.
You can change your calculations by a character or two.. I just chose 4 off some web page.. I don't know what the 'standard' is.. but it's not far off.
I still doubt you can type fast enough that the only thing slowing you down is the 300 baud modem... that's my point.
So... what's your point about HW flow control? You talk about how you are some kind of expert because you wrote some terminal program.. but what's your point?
RTS/CTS is not going to slow a 300 baud modem down enough so you can type faster than it can eat.
Yes.. for a few characters in a row, you MAY exceed 300bps.....but that's still not 'typing faster than the modem'. You may experience a delay while waiting for the remote echo from whatever software you are using.. so you might think you are going 'faster' than the modem.. but you aren't.. you're just waiting for processing & return on the other end.
Perhaps it's because, in the last several years, unix went from having a few small window managers, to having many... many wrote wm's just for fun...
Then.. things stabilized.... I mean, if you wanted to make a new wm. how do you compete with E? nothing is that sexy looking (or that bloated.. of course).
There are basically enough window managers already... there's nothing else you need.
You want a new release of E? Why? is it a car, where the manufacturer has to release a new model every year? Come on.. they only do that to try to make you think your car is 'old'.
RTS/CTS were not even used on many 300 baud modems.. there was no need.
RTS/CTS became popular as people started to use higher serial speeds than modem speeds... (using 56k port speeds for 14.4k modems, etc..)
Many, many people didn't see the Internet coming... it was an academic network.
MSN wasn't exactly a bbs... it was a huge online service, a-la prodigy, or AOL, or.. damn. Can't remmeber the others. Compuserve... etc.
And he had the right idea.. he just didn't pull it off.
Here's my karma whoring troll for the day...
A Baud is not a Bit. You don't have a 9600 Baud modem.. you have a 9600bps modem, operating at propbably 2400 baud.
The maximum theoretical baud rate on a phone line is about 3200 baud or so.. I'm not positive what's used for each bps rate.
I believe 28.8k modems use 9bits per baud... making the line 3200 baud...
96kbps modems use 4 bits/baud...
Hmm... I believe 300 baud/bps is 30 cps.... you have 10 bits per character. (start & stop bits)
As for your 'steady stream of characters'.... uhh...that's irrelevant. You don't wait on rts/cts unless either end is saturated.. and even then, they are plenty fast enough not to interfere. Using HW flow control does not slow down your connection. The modem would drop CTS to the computer when it's buffers are full, and can no longer accept bytes from the computer.. and would raise it again when it's ready.
The modem can keep up with your typing, to be sure.
I believe it's general to assume the average word is 4 characters.... so 30cps/4=7.5wps.... * 60 seconds is 450 WPM. That sounds high.. someone find a flaw in my math? Looks right to me though...
So you say don't even really touch-type, and you can type 450 words per minute? I don't think so.
Well.. I beg to differ.
If you are speaking of the average techie.. sure, go use another piece of software.
To a windows convert, being able to select a file/folder and hit 'share' would be great.
OKay.
I have 100 workstations here. Each needs office, which means each needs windows.
People need office so they can a) look at some simple spreadsheets, created by some accounting staff, and b) Use a word processor for doing reports.
This costs me a great deal of money. on top of good hardware, I have to intsall Windows on them all, plus Office.. that adds up to a grand a workstation just in software.
I can use Linux + Staroffice and save myself 100 grand.. how hard is that to figure out?
The thing is.. with gambling transactions...
The person placing the bet is an entirely different matter than the bookie.
Placing a bet is, in many jurisdcitions, illegal.
Running a book isn't.
Just like... the laws governing a few friends playing a game of poker is veyr different than someone running a poker room, taking a cut of the action.
If stereo providers move out of the country, you tax the goods as they come into the country.. that's already done, tha'ts what 'import duty' is for.
Perhaps we need to question the necessity of taxes in the first place... why should the government be able to take a piece every time money is exchanged? that's rediculous.
You are right that it's a problem.. but the problem is the thought that 'we should be able to tax this but we can't'. That's wrong... they SHOULD NOT be able to tax everything.
I'm not saying taxes are bad.. but there has to be a limit.
You talk about compensating, via a tax on electricity or something.. but compensating for what? How much money does the government need? how do you put a limit on it? Cause these days.. you don't.. they just tax whatever they can get away with taxing.
Again.. I suspect that the real reason behind such regulation is either Religious, or Greed...
The state want's it's taxes.
Gambling is regulated so the government can make money.. period. Every other 'excuse' for regulation is just that.. an excuse. 'Let us take care of that.. we're the government... that's our job'.
Why not something that works like a 3d treadmill? indiviual platforms that can raise/lower/move (collectively when necessary) to match your movements.
You could do stairs.... everything.
No. It's probably not.
It's stressful on the eyes to focus on something too close.. that's all.
This only appears in one eye.. you don't try to focus on it.. should be fine.
He means its' a compiler to be used in situations where you would traditionally do hand-optimized assembly.
Why even put it to a vote? It's obvious, isn't it?
Opt-In is best for the consumer... Opt-Out is favorable for the business.