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A Computer Display in Ordinary Sunglasses?

DonaldP asks: "I've been making head-mounted displays for wearable computers for a couple or three years now; I think my latest and greatest 3rd Generation display is a big step ahead! It fits inside a normal-looking pair of sunglasses. Why would I do something like this? As far as I know, this is one of the only ones available out there - the only others that come close are made by MicroOptical Corporation, but it's been years and you STILL can't actually BUY any of their products. With large companies like Xybernaut holding plenty of patents on wearable computers and going strong, is there a place for my little one-man company? Any tips for making it on my own? Or is my best hope to hook up with a giant?" I've been waiting for a nice and portable HMD for years, and this has the advantage of not making you look like a Borg reject (although some of you might like that look). HMDs still have a way to go to be practical for everyday use (many still require perfect vision or contacts because they are clumsy with glasses) but I'm sure these drawbacks will be fixed with time.

182 comments

  1. Start small... by ryanwright · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Start small. Make a few of 'em by hand, make sure they all work, and sell them on EBay. Create a nice business oriented web site and link to it in your EBay listings. Research traditional marketing priciples and apply them. A catchy domain name helps, too.

    This is something you could start now for very little $$. Trying to find someone to manufacture these things en masse would be a pain in the ass and likely require a huge investment. I say, make them all by hand for a couple of years until you are so flooded with orders that you just can't keep up. Then take it to the next step.

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    1. Re:Start small... by dstone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I say, make them all by hand for a couple of years until you are so flooded with orders that you just can't keep up. Then take it to the next step.

      That's good advice, unless you find it turns to a nightmare of technical support, repairs, warranty, and eyesight-loss/seizure-related lawsuits that become too much to handle yourself. Then you'll have take it to the next level. ;-) Okay, maybe that's a bit cynical. It sounds like you're onto something good with your device, so I guess what I'm saying is don't let a good idea starve or die because you didn't pay attention to boring/annoying (but important) details that you could have farmed out to someone else (even if that means spending money, giving away equity, revenue sharing, whatever).

    2. Re:Start small... by shrewtamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds like you have the start of a working model. The point about eyesight problems is an important one. I used to work (as a softie) making scanners. The optics guys there had been demonstrated simmilar devices. These had been carefully measured to proove that the image was focused on your retina when your eye was relaxed. Properly set up it sounds like these devices will be a lot better for your eyes. Improperly set up and I expect you'll be screwed. Could the device detect if it had become inappropriately calibrated? What happens if I sit on it at the beech, drop it in my beer, then put them on backwards (I know its called evolution, but imagine a reasonable accident!)
      I doubt that you could market this on your own. I'd expect you'd need some technical help, you do all the mechanics, optics and software by yourself! wow! but are all these areas up to the required standard for sale? Maybe you could find some partners or contract some good people. Sorry to have to use a dirty word but you will need some "marketing" to! Can't believe you'd want to spend the time necessary doing this.
      Are there independant testing labs for the safety of optical devices? (I think there are but have no details.) If this was established and I could see your device working, send me the bill.

  2. Apple's future's so bright by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In 1987, I saw an Apple video (taking place in the future, intended to be a nostalgic review of Apple's past) where Woz wore a paper of MacGlasses, complete with tiny disks that inserted into the side of the frame (shades of the MMC/SD crads) - pretty cool, too bad it didn't happen. (The video also had a newsacst where IBM announced their latest main frames were compatible with teh Apple 3000 series mainframe.

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    1. Re:Apple's future's so bright by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know where such a video might be found that would be awesome to watch.

    2. Re:Apple's future's so bright by mercury7 · · Score: 1

      And in reality the news is that IBM mainframes now can run Linux and Mac OS X is based on BSD.
      Who would have believed it?

  3. New interface, old app by mr_don't · · Score: 1

    When i think of wearables, I usually think of high tech VR interfaces to new, unheard of apps... But it's nice to see PINE running on these glasses!!!

  4. consult by Beckman · · Score: 2, Funny
    If you send me a pair and pay my fee, I'll give you a consultation.

    ;)

    1. Re:consult by unitron · · Score: 2
      Here's a free consultation

      1. Make sure all the words on your page are spelled correctly. (re-intruduction )

      2. Don't seek investors until you have completed Step 1.

      Seriously, it's an impressive product. Promote it professionally.

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  5. Input by KernelHappy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As cool as these kinds of displays are, how do you input data? I mean voice recognition is nice, but there is the problem of privacy, annoying other people and if I recall most people don't think as effectively while speaking outloud (heh kind of obvious).

    Solve the man/machine interface and you won't need to make the displays.

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    1. Re:Input by reverius · · Score: 2

      How about rings (on each finger) that can detect vertical and horizontal movement... which would then be used to function as a keyboard (with whatever "keymap" you like). Different existing keymaps can be used, like QWERTY and Dvorak, or entirely new ones can be made (with the possibilities that a "virtual keyboard" presents...)

    2. Re:Input by Aldreis · · Score: 1



      You could use one of these, I think. It's "A combination keyboard and mouse that weighs 4 ounces and fits in the palm of your hand."

    3. Re:Input by naasking · · Score: 1

      How about rings (on each finger) that can detect vertical and horizontal movement.

      hehe. So what command would flipping the birdie be? :-)

    4. Re:Input by Edgewize · · Score: 2, Funny
      hehe. So what command would flipping the birdie be? :-)


      I don't know about the linux crowd, but any Windows user knows that the middle finger just has to be CTL-ALT-DEL :)

    5. Re:Input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you just don't know how muddy their thinking is until they speak.

    6. Re:Input by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      CTRL+ALT+Backspace?

      Jaysyn

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    7. Re:Input by talonyx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If one integrated:

      3D acceleration
      Head tracking
      Finger motion tracking
      and a sufficiently powerfull processor, it would be possible to make basically a floating keyboard out in front of you, visible stereoscopically through the glasses as being in a comfortable ergonomic position.
      You could then type on this nonexistent keyboard! With headphones, it would even be possible to have audible feedback in your ears every time you hit a key.

      I think it would be cool to walk around with regular sunglasses on and see time/date and other information popups appear around the edges of my vision, focussed to infinity.

      I guess I'll have to wait for brain implanted chips and retinal projectors, though :D

    8. Re:Input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, retinal projectors already exist, they are just sort of bulky.

      Brain implanted chips are being researched via several DARPA grants, and some success has been achieved through implants with animals. Currently, it is possible to do neuron->chip interaction, but the other way (chip->neuron) doesn't work very well yet.

    9. Re:Input by tk · · Score: 1

      How would you feel about a subvocalization recognizer? To my knowledge it hasn't been done, but it seems possible. Recognizers seem to like to filter out the vocal chord exitations anyway since they contribute very little to the differentiation of phonemes and are mostly there just to drive the volume up. There must be other ways of deducing vocal tract shapes (e.g. ultrasound)

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    10. Re:Input by Howie · · Score: 2

      The "traditional" wearable computer input device seems to be the Twiddler - a one-handed chording keyboard. That's what the MIT Wearables crew all seem to use.

      Unfortunately the way they do augmented memory is by typing in the things they see to see if there are notes against them already - the newer things use GPS and spatial detectors to try and avoid that for static objects, and IR-beacons to avoid it for moving (but known) things.

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    11. Re:Input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>If one integrated:

      >>3D acceleration
      >>Head tracking
      >>Finger motion tracking
      >>and a sufficiently powerfull processor, it >>would be possible to make basically a floating >>keyboard
      >>out in front of you, visible stereoscopically >>through the glasses as being in a comfortable >>ergonomic position.

      Surely if technology was good enough to integrate head tracking and finger motion tracking, a virtual keyboard would be a step backwards ... im thinking more like a virtual pen and paper .. or even speech recognition, heck the technology for speech recognition is here already ...

  6. Tip #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disregard anyones advice that includes "Don't get a patent, open up the design so that anyone can manufacture these glasses. You can make a lot of money supporting them. After all, you designed them, you are the go-to-guy for support!"

  7. I were my sunglasses at night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I can,
    so I can,
    read Slashdot and other nerd websites.

  8. Sell them to the government by CuriousGeorge113 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the US goverenment would have a need for sungalsses with small displays in them.

    If not them, then at least Holywood ;)

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    1. Re:Sell them to the government by superpeach · · Score: 1

      Of course they would have a use for them, being able to browse porn sites more discreetly for one thing.

    2. Re:Sell them to the government by Whitehawke · · Score: 1

      Actually, the army has been working on a milspec wearable for a couple of years now. I suspect that your display would need to come up a few notches in features before they would be interested, and you'd need to be able to provide mass quantities, but you there is a market there...perhaps you could do a deal to work as an expert advisor to the program, or something like that.

      Look here for details: http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/landwarrior.htm

      Dave Storrs

  9. Mann by H3XOR · · Score: 1

    You should try and contact Steven Mann. I think he was a one many army and pioneered some of the first wearable computer components.

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  10. oh no.... by Prion86 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and we thought it was bad when all we had to deal with was bad drivers and cell phones...

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    1. Re:oh no.... by corky6921 · · Score: 2

      Yes, I can see it now:

      SCENE: the courtroom. A large lady is waving her arms madly. A skinny guy with glasses and unkempt hair is trying not to look scared of her.

      LADY: You wrecked my car and killed my 3-year-old! (points to Exhibit A)

      GEEK: Really, ma'am, I was just trying to check my email during the traffic jam... I got these cool new sunglasses and they run Pine...

      GEEK sighs, realizing the situation is hopeless...

    2. Re:oh no.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's not even the least bit funny.

  11. Didn't IBM have a commercial... by dafoomie · · Score: 1

    Didn't IBM have a commercial with this guy in a park ordering stocks with something like that? It could just be a concept/prototype or total bs from them, but I liked it... Looked like one of those eye things the Dominion use.

    1. Re:Didn't IBM have a commercial... by eeyanduf · · Score: 1

      IBM have had a wearable prototype for years - I think I first saw it back in 1998.
      The first version was a stripped out thinkpad 560, running at between 100-200Mhz (cant remember exactly - my memory is failing with advancing age), using an IBM microdrive for storage (and to reduce size.) I think it had a 320x240 monochrome screen.
      I remember they had souped this up to an 800x600 colour screen in a later version.

      The unit didnt have a keyboard - just a trackpoint mouse mounted on your finger to be operated by your thumb, and a kind of 'trigger' mouse button, along with a mic for voice commands.
      If I remember correctly, it was envisioned for engineer types to look up plans and diagrams whilst working on the machinery. eg. a jet engine technician could call up a schematic and have it superimposed on the actual parts of the engine as he was working on it.

      heres a link I dug up
      http://www.ibm.com/news/ls/1998/09/jp_3.phtml

    2. Re:Didn't IBM have a commercial... by dafoomie · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks, I like it... Could take the display and stick it on a Crusoe or something smallish but good. I could see it as being extremely useful for what they intended and for other stuff (stuff we want it for), but if you want it to be two eyes then it might look like Geordi's visor. Though, they probably have no intention of putting these into production. Oh well.

  12. nefarious and otherwise. by motherhead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Why would I do with something like this?"

    Hmmm, I have private investigator friends (insurance fraud, they don't get to carry guns and drive Ferraris) that would love a pair of completely innocuous shades that would let them point say... a video camera in a suitcase one way while they are looking elseware.

    We actually had a discussion about this the other day, wondering if you could do it wireless and have the antenna and power pack/receiver disguised as a "sports loop".

    I would like this same rig because I am just plain a Bad Person ;}

    1. Re:nefarious and otherwise. by infiniti99 · · Score: 2

      ...wondering if you could do it wireless...

      Hey maybe there are some uses for x10 equipment after all! But hurry! This sale ends tomorrow even though it will be on sale again the next day!

      (Ducks to avoid a popup ad)

    2. Re:nefarious and otherwise. by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      Even worse ... I e-mailed them to ask them what the diff was between several similar sounding products. I quickly got a response.

      And then I got 1 e-mail everyday from the damn marketting department. Too bad a good company is being dragged around my marketting on steroids.

      Though from what I hear about the quality of the X-10, you would probably get some serious eye-strain from the images produced...kinda like living in a world of stereograms!

    3. Re:nefarious and otherwise. by DonaldP · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It can get cooler. With my first-generation display (with a black & white mini camera in it) I looped it back into the display. I amused myself by turning out the lights, and using a remote control as a flashlight to see in the dark.

      Nearly all monochrome mini cameras are IR-sensitive. It was cheap night-vision.

  13. isn't it bad for your eyes? by RelliK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there an optometrist on /. who can answer this question? (year right!) Staring at an object so close to your eyeballs can't be good. Wouldn't it strain your eyes a lot more than conventional monitor?

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    1. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 1

      Once you get 3D working (dual lenses and all), you could make the display as if it was a 100 m tall display that was 50 m away, or however you would want it.

    2. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't change the fact that you'd have to focus your eyes a whole lot closer...try putting your hand right in front of your face and focusing on it with just one eye. Hopefully these things contain some way to change the focal point.

    3. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand the concept then. You're looking at light. This is just like standing right next to a glass window and looking out. Is it bad for your eyes standing too close to a window and looking outside?

    4. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, that's comparable to looking through the glasses at the light coming through the lenses. But the image on the lenses would be comparable to something written on the window in marker - see-through, but visible. It's harder for an individual eye to focus on something that close.

    5. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 1

      While that is how this technology is based, combining two lenses with some clever software could trick your eyes into seeing something that seemed farther away.

    6. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not an object, it's an image. An image can be deconvoluted in software so that you need to focus through it for it to come into focus [if you see what I mean] - i.e. it can be calibrated so that you need to focus any given distance away. You could even have different layers that come into focus at different distances.

    7. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by DonaldP · · Score: 3, Informative


      That would be true, except that the lens changes the focal length of the display to appear "normal" - ie at the same depth as other things around you.

      You can see this effect for yourself with a magnifier lens of some kind. Preferably a jewele's loupe or some other small magnifying lens.

      Hold the lens up to one eye. Keep both eyes open. Hold a paper with writing up to the eye with the lens. Move the paper back and forth until it comes into focus. You'll see what I mean.

      It's just like looking into a video camera's eyepiece.

    8. Re:isn't it bad for your eyes? by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      No. It's probably not.
      It's stressful on the eyes to focus on something too close.. that's all.
      This only appears in one eye.. you don't try to focus on it.. should be fine.

  14. You rock. by Fixer · · Score: 1
    So, wearable output has an apparently decent solution. Now for input. Have you looked at doing something like this? Or perhaps offer a Twiddler with your other parts for sale?

    I like the Xybernaut's design, yet it's price is beyond my means (and I'm usually an early adopter of geek chic). If you could offer just a few more components for sale, or a construction service, that's competitive with the big guys, I think you could make a decent living. As a previous poster mentioned, Ebay works.

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  15. Why would I do this? by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    Oh, I don't know.

    Maybe to make money and not scare off the chicks when they notice that you've got a webcam on your shoes?

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  16. Is this like IBM's commercial? by antdude · · Score: 2

    With the guy sitting outside with pigeons on the ground and he talks to himself with his sunglasses? I am not sure if the commercal was made by IBM.

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    1. Re:Is this like IBM's commercial? by unitron · · Score: 2

      Well it was probably made by a production company for IBM, but it was an IBM commercial. The glasses were more like tinted lens regular glasses than sunglasses.

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  17. All this.... by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 1

    And they only cost $1500 US and take 4-10 weeks. Not bad considering they aren't even mass-produced!
    Purchase a 3rd Generation HMD

  18. naming and apple by Maskirovka · · Score: 1

    Just be carefull not to market your glasses as generation 3. I believe Apple has a G3 trademark, and would be more than happy to sue you.

    1. Re:naming and apple by bwulf · · Score: 1

      Are you thinking of this guy?

    2. Re:naming and apple by bwulf · · Score: 1

      D'oh, that should've been a reply to comment #2394306.

  19. it's all in the optics by Tekmage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The focal point is actually far in front of you. On my unmodified M1, I have to wear my glasses (I'm near-sighted) to read the display.

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  20. Never Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    My experience wearing a computer was not very comfortable. That 19 inch ViewSonic was a real pain in the neck. The backpack frame holding the Dell Dimension dug into my shoulders. Also, I kept tripping over the keyboard and mouse cables while kicking along the Honda generator.

    1. Re:Never Again by bwulf · · Score: 1

      Are you thinking of this guy? Got to love the fact he included speakers (headphones would have been plenty).

  21. maybe a conversion kit by freonfighter · · Score: 1

    what if you sold a conversion kit for turning your own sunglasses into a HMD?

  22. Mann already did this by s20451 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Check out Steve Mann's web page, which has a picture of him wearing his display sunglasses. Not shown in the scene is the waist pack which holds the hardware, and the clever one-hand "keyboard" he uses for data entry. I've seen him walking around campus wearing it; he even teaches a graduate course at the University of Toronto on the subject. Very cool.

    Also see this paper at wearcam.org.

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    1. Re:Mann already did this by nanospook · · Score: 1

      World's first gargoyle!!!!

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    2. Re:Mann already did this by Whitehawke · · Score: 1

      Well, Mann built a covert display into sunglasses, yes. I applaud his ingenuity and his technical expertise, but he built *one* pair, for his own use.

      The author of this piece is talking about making them in quantity (eventually), and selling them to those of us who do not have the time/skills/inclination to build them ourselves. To my mind, that would be a greater service to the world.

      Dave Storrs

    3. Re:Mann already did this by DonaldP · · Score: 1

      Professor Mann has done some incredible work. His display indeed predates mine. However, for people who want to get into wearables, you have only a couple options regarding the display:

      1) Make it yourself
      2) Buy off-the-shelf and get the "borg" look

      I hope I can bring things a step closer to buying off-the-shelf while totally avoiding borgification.

      I admit I wouldn't wear a borg-looking display in public. I'm not popular enough to be different. :)

  23. Barriers to entry into the hardware market by hillct · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While the covert HMD is a really neat spiffy product, the bariers to entry into the hardware market are quite high. In order to compete you'll need to be able to finance production operations (the easy part) and incur substancial legal expenses to insure that none of the many wearable computing patents - mentioned as being held by large players in this market - apply to your hardware, and in the event that some can ce construed to apply, you'll need to handle licensing which will probably be at great expense as well. Furthermore, although the SSSCA will probably not add requirements to your hardware but given the current legislative enviroment, similar legislation that would apply, might appear at any moment. As we all know - the wearable computer maker has not reached mass aceptance yet so without sufficient customer base for the computing hardware, the market for the display hardware - normally some percentage of the market for the compute platform - will be extremely small, regardless of how cool the hardware is. For these reasons I'd recommend considering licensing your hardware to a larger player in the market. While you won't derive nearly as much revenue as if you marketed the product yourself, the revenue you collect will be predictable and will be recieved within a timeframe (and I'm making an assumption about Anubis Enterprises) acceptable for small businesses to maintain solvency.

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    1. Re:Barriers to entry into the hardware market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but since the market is small (but growing), starting out small is the right way to go. Get a production line going that can pump out a significant number of these, and start your own web business selling them.

      Better yet, create a specialized version designed for a specific task that will have 10,000's of customers willing to spend good money on them.

  24. Some questions... by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although I think this technology is very cool, I think a key thing missing is the lack of a video camera. While he does mention that this drastically increases the size, it would make this technology MUCH more useful.

    There is some usefulness for these sorts of displays (heads-up current information like current stock quotes for example), without some new input device to control such a radically different gadget from what we are used to. Somehow I don't see people 10 years from now running pine off to the side!

    While perhaps some kind of hand-pad would be a good short-term compromise (What do people think should be hooked up to one of these, maybe a Handspring Expansion?), the most intuitive and relevant inputs would be voice and/or sight recognition.

    Imagine searching a crowd for a friend. You say aloud, "Where's Paul?" and this baby runs a face-pattern recognition algorithm to help you... Just a thought ;-)

    1. Re:Some questions... by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      "....I think a key thing missing is the lack of a video camera. While he does mention that this drastically increases the size, it would make this technology MUCH more useful. "

      Yes, imagine it. i could use the camera to project an image of what im looking at right in front of my own eye!!!

    2. Re:Some questions... by spauldo · · Score: 1

      Yes, imagine it. i could use the camera to project an image of what im looking at right in front of my own eye!!!

      Or have it point backwards... good for backstabbing corporate environments :)

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    3. Re:Some questions... by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 2
      The classes were all ripped off from other games, so I hadn't noticed.


      Didn't /. just do an article on the in-effectiveness of curent face-recognition software? With current technology, there's no way a computer would be better at finding a friends face than you would be.


      Still, a very cool piece of equipment.

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  25. oh my god by Myopic · · Score: 1

    oh my god this guy is going to make a million dollars

    1. Re:oh my god by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      Too bad that leaves him about 3 Million short of covering the design, licencing, legal and production costs.

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  26. Discussion: Software? by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 1

    Just thinking aloud, what does everyone think would be the best operating software to run on an interface like this?

    Personally, I think the coolest thing would be if the glasses implemented an immersive translucent 3D workstation sort of like the ones in the Final Fantasy movie. Then place little sensors on your fingernails as described here. Some kind of radio sensor network (I know it's not a trivial thing to do) could detect when you pressed a certain virtual button, and run programs, display data, etc.

    I think playing with something like that would be sweet. The funny thing would be that all the people walking or sitting would be waving their hands around like they were conducting an orchestra. :-)

    1. Re:Discussion: Software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what does everyone think would be the best operating software to run on an interface like this?

      Whatever it is, I want it to be open. That way, I can modify my copy, so that whenever I see na adverstisement, the system replaces it with "Obey" or "Sleep" like in that movie.

  27. Steps to success... by KFury · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's all about publicity. The first thing you need to do is dupe^H^H^H^Hconvince Slashdot editors that your idea is cool, real, and one VC funding round away from changing the world as they know it.

  28. Wearables ... by zangdesign · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Three questions:

    I wear prescription glasses. Would this cause any problems?

    Is it possible to use this with a Windows-based computer? (Don't freak out - I have my reasons and they are valid ones)

    Can you drop the price a hair?

    Seriously, I can foresee a great number of uses for this. I would suggest you go for it, but hire a patent lawyer to do some research for you. There's probably a ton of prior art on this by other companies, but there might be some government research you can base off of.

    Anyway, good luck and all.

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    1. Re:Wearables ... by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 1

      I wear glasses too, and I don't know the answer to your first question.

      As for your second question, the device appears to be the display only. So I believe that once it's working properly, you could plug any old monitor cable into it.

      As for your third question, I don't think the price is that bad! Especially when you compare it to some flat-screen monitors.

    2. Re:Wearables ... by Whitehawke · · Score: 1

      I wear glasses and have a horrific fear of contacts (can't stand the thought of actually *touching* my eyeball).

      Nonetheless, if I had a set of these things, I would learn to wear contacts.

      Dave Storrs

    3. Re:Wearables ... by Ravagin · · Score: 2

      I wear glasses and have a horrific fear of contacts (can't stand the thought of actually *touching* my eyeball).

      Hear, hear.

      For a long time I've had toruble with the glaucoma test (glaucoma sort of runs in the family) involving the lightbulb against the eyeball, and only recently have gotten the hang of it.

      I still don't dig the idea of contacts. I'll keep my spectacles, thankyouverymuch. Besides, it's sometimes handy to be able to defocus everything further than an arm's length away.

      --

      Karma: T-rexcellent.

    4. Re:Wearables ... by DonaldP · · Score: 1

      Hi - in response to your questions:

      I wear prescription glasses. Would this cause any problems?

      Yes. You would need contacts. Or put a prescription lens between your eye and the display. I did this in my 1st generation glasses.

      Is it possible to use this with a Windows-based computer?

      Yes, so long as it outputs VGA or TV Out (or you use a scan converter).

      Can you drop the price a hair?

      I would love to, but not at this time. Each display is handmade and represents many hours of delicate work with components not very forgiving of mistakes. :(

      However, as things go forward prices come down. My goal is not payola. It's to make something available that should have been off the shelf for, like at least 5 years now.

      These things are NOT the sole product of some R&D Lab somewhere. They can be made, and they can be made today.

  29. Wow by nexex · · Score: 1

    Those are sweet, now all I need is a comp that will fit in your pocket - and run a decent amount of time between charges, and internet that will go anywhere that is affordable...

    --
    Winter 2010: With Glowing Hearts
    1. Re:Wow by wyrmBait · · Score: 1

      You mean something like this?

      Okay, so it's not "pocket sized" according to the article, but I'm sure there are lots of possibilities out there. The fact that this one is so well equipped in the I/O department just caught my eye.

      --
      -- "Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -Amy Weiss, RIAA
    2. Re:Wow by wyrmBait · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Okaaay...
      Why the heck did Slashcode decide it necessary to add "[canadacomputes.com]" there?

      --
      -- "Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -Amy Weiss, RIAA
    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a feature of Slash 2.2. You can turn it off in your user preferences.

    4. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They (the evil Slashdot dictators) implemented this 'feature' some time ago. It's rather amusing that after all the fuss the /bots made about things like SmartTags (modifications of content, controlled by the user), hardly anyone has complained about this alteration of comments, not controlled by the user.

    5. Re:Wow by DonaldP · · Score: 1

      You may want to check out Doug Sutherland's Fashion Wearable. Take a look at Cliff Leong's wearables as well.

    6. Re:Wow by spauldo · · Score: 1

      Because this way you won't click into goatse.cx when you forget to hover over the link before clicking it.

      Good thing for slow connections... I almost got sucked into that site at work once.

      --
      Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
  30. Re:Twiddler2 by dav · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been looking at these for awhile now, and decided after following that link to purchase one.

    But I got a bit nervous when I checked the security certificate information for their SSL connection like I always do, and noticed it was some other webiste I'd never heard of.

    Well that could just be their purchasing service, but just to be safe I decided to call their listed phone number (631) 474-4405 and that turned out to be no longer valid. I didn't call the new number given yet; I know I'm paranoid, and frankly I like it that way, but does anyone know if this is the legit link?

  31. Possible uses and how to make progress by Ben+Wills · · Score: 1

    Perhaps something of this nature could be used to instruct a large group of people....i could see a refined version of this used by the government to inform agents in real time in certain operations....

    as far as where to go with something like this...if you really wanted to take the idea commercial, and you have a lower cash flow, you may want to consider "partnering" with a company that can either benefit from your product, or a company that can make your product better(or vice versa)....

    ben

    --
    =-=-=-=-=-=-= phil thompson is my dad.
  32. Here's a "Why" for you by deenie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it's called "Retinitus Pigmentosa."
    A friend of a friend of mine is gradually losing his sight to it. Apparently he can still see just a limited area at the center of his former field of vision. But he still uses the comuter (and watched the WTC collapse).

    If the "eye strain" objection cited elsewhere isn't a factor, something like this might at least return a full view of the computer screen (and then, movies? live video feed?

    1. Re:Here's a "Why" for you by brocheck · · Score: 2, Informative

      Retinitis pigmentosa is an inherited condition of the retina in which specific photoreceptor cells degenerate, thusly it becomes increasingly more difficult to see in dim light.

      It is not caused by "eye strain", but by a specific mutation in the rhodopsin gene.

      My cat hates you.

      --

      suddenly I feel very tired

    2. Re:Here's a "Why" for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retinitis pigmentosa is an inherited condition of the retina in which specific photoreceptor cells degenerate, thusly it becomes increasingly more difficult to see in dim light.

      It is not caused by "eye strain", but by a specific mutation in the rhodopsin gene.

      Right, but generally people with low vision conditions of any kind want to avoid eyestrain. Besides, eyestrain from this baby, plus the constant eystrain from dealing with RP would cause one hell of a headache. So I can see how that would be a concern. But if this thing can be adapted for use in a limited visual feild, without causing extra eyestrain, it could make a realy nice device.

      hmmmm.... maybe I could even have my left side peripheral vision pretend to be normal ;-)

  33. Re:Twiddler2 by Aldreis · · Score: 2, Informative

    does anyone know if this is the legit link?

    Try this. Apparently they're moving right now.

  34. Concept for VR Navigation by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Something I have considered for quite awhile (Back in '94!) is how to get around in virtual worlds. The solution I came up with is by no means 'true VR', but instead aims to be natural. The idea is that you have a platform a couple inches thick by about 8 feet square. (The size could change depending on what is most comfortable for the majority of people.) The platform would then be divided up like this:

    <code>

    ________
    |\ /|
    | \___/ |
    | | | |
    | |___| |
    | / \ |
    |/_____\|

    </code>

    The user would normally stand on the center square. Each of the divisions ahead, behind, to the left, and to the right represents a direction that the user may wish to go. While in the virtual world, all the user has to do to move forward, is to take a single step forward onto the division in front of him. Similarly the division behind him would cause him to back up. The left and right would strafe.

    The left and right could potentially be a 'turn' as it is in most FPS, but I fealt that the turning should rather be handled by the HMD (say via a Boom Tracker) due to the fact that side stepping is a more natural result to taking a step left and moving your head is a more natural 'turn' motion.

    Anyway, that was my idea and since I don't have the time to build it, I'm sharing it with everyone here. A tip on building tho. It would probably be easiest to take a cheapo gamepad and strip it out for its interface. That way the electronics and software will be compatible with existing and future programs.

    If anyone builds one of these things, I'd love to hear about it. Shoot me a mail at: jNOSPAMbanes@techie.com

    Just remove the NOSPAM.

    1. Re:Concept for VR Navigation by FrenZon · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're looking for something like the NES Powerpad ?

      Or any of the dance-pads available for the PSX?

    2. Re:Concept for VR Navigation by psych031337 · · Score: 2

      I've seen something like you described advertised on german TV. It was an add-on for Playstation games (and will probably be available for other consoles).

      It consisted basically of the platform you described (it came in form of a "mat" with sensors, so it could be easily rolled together for storage). It also had the different field for going standing still/going forward/backing up/left/right. Additional to that were two poles standing upright on the front part of the mat. These poles sported some IR sensors.

      The purpose of this thingamajig (retailing for about 200Marks, which comes down to $90) was adding reality to "beat-em-up" games like Mortal Combat. Using the map fields you could go forwards and backwards. The IR sensors on the poles would detect your fist/arm "punching". Also it could distinguish between arm and leg usage (probably by using a dedicated sensor circuit for each foot). Also high and low kicks could be done, and a slight jump (with you just leaving the floor for some inches) onto the fore/aft pads would trigger a jump in the game.

      I am sure this thing is available in the US as well.

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      +++ath0
    3. Re:Concept for VR Navigation by JakeS · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good, simple idea. Could work very well.

      But why make it square? As long as we're dreaming, why not make it round, and have the outer zones "soft", controlled by where the HMD is pointed. That way, if you are facing south west, you could take a step to your left (south east), and strafe left. Turn 45 degrees right, and a step to the south would strafe left.

    4. Re:Concept for VR Navigation by ReindeerBeer · · Score: 1

      I have given this some thought, and I came to the conclusion that you could use a type of reverse-mouse. Basically, you have a large ball that the user walks on. When the user walks foward, or backwards, or anywhere, the ball simply rolls underneath the user, creating an extremely realistic interface. The only thing which would be required is to track what direction the user is actually pointed, but this would be very easy to implement.

    5. Re:Concept for VR Navigation by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      Why not something that works like a 3d treadmill? indiviual platforms that can raise/lower/move (collectively when necessary) to match your movements.
      You could do stairs.... everything.

  35. Cool by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    I never know that NES made a pad similar to the design I laid out. I'd always known about the 'twister' style pad, but all that had was a 'sprint race' game and an arobics game. Of course the NES hardware was always way ahead of its software with the Power Glove being the crowning example. (I still have the RS232 interface I built for that thing.)

    I've seen the dance pads in the arcades and I assume that those are similar to the PSX ones. The problem with the 'plunger' design is that you have to make sure you hit the target. When you are in a VR world, you would have trouble with such a design, whereas actual platforms would provide both a large target and feedback by dropping a little (either a 1/2 inch drop or a satifying click like on a mouse).

  36. More tech to aid low vision by SlyDe · · Score: 1

    RP and many other diseases of the retina are very good reasons to keep an eye (no pun intended) on this and similar projects. Here are a few good resources for other types of low-vision coping technology:

    autofocus eyewear [lowvision.org]
    the Jordy [enhancedvision.com] (yes, trek-inspired!)
    wire a camera to your brain [artificialvision.com]
    artificial retina [mit.edu]

  37. Palm HMD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been looking everywhere for an HMD I can connect to my Palm. does anybody make something like this?

  38. /.'d by kalanar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Google Cache to main page (not all about the glasses)

    Related

    Front Page of Glasses page.

    This is a third generation covert HMD display. Through these sunglasses, I have a monochrome 320x240 VGA display superimposed right in front of me. I can see normally. If I were looking at you, I would see a computer screen floating over your face, centered on your nose.

    My first generation displays were crude and bulky in comparison - but many of my first generation displays also contained a video camera in addition to the display.

    The second generation displays were much improved and incorporated a beam splitter (half-silvered mirror) into the design rather than a front-silvered optical mirror. The main lens was also customized.

    The third generation design fits well in my sunglasses and is more rugged, smaller in overall dimensions, and has custom parts for everything - including the backlight for the display itself.

    The third generation covert display is also a leap forward in appearance. Previous generations either required oversized safety glasses to house the display, or had pieces or wires very exposed. The third generation display looks almost completely normal from the front as well as from the side that houses the display. The single thin, flexible black cable - easily concealed - is the biggest hint there is more than meets the eye!

    A look through the glasses

    This is what it looks like to look through the glasses. Here you can see the "pine" mail program running while I look at my good friend Jack Daniels. This is an actual unedited (but cropped) picture taken with a digital camera through the display. It sees what your eye would see. (The white bar at the bottom is a video artifact due to the modeline I was using to supply the video signal)

    The display itself uses a beamsplitter to reflect the image into your eye. The unique properties allow it a "see-though" effect (demonstrated in the following links with a second-generation display) that makes the reflector display an image when the unit is powered on, and appear transparent when the display is off.

    Fourth-Generation?

    So, what is next? Right now there is no immediate path forward to a fourth-generation display, but it will doubtlessly incorporate one or several of the following advances:

    Color
    Higher resolution
    Even smaller optical assembly
    re-intruduction of embedded video camera

    The ultimate display would be able to fit unnoticed in a regular pair of untinted eyeglasses.

    YES! I build third-generation displays for people! I don't have the info on the web yet, so please email me if you are interested!

    You can also take a quick look at my For Sale page, where I currently have services listed for building Second-Generation displays.

  39. Getting there by Ryvar · · Score: 1

    This looks great for a nice wearable SSH2 session, but the bulk of my time (and that of the majority of people using computers, I'd think) is spent digging around the web or using tools of fairly high resolution demands in Win2k (3D Studio MAX, Photoshop, MSDEV, etc.).

    If you manage to get it to 1600x1200x32x85hz and retain the general physical characteristics of current models, I'll pay as much as/kill whomever you wish for one. Using an RSI 'cast' to gauntlet-mount a Half Keyboard on one hand and a 4D mouse on the other in combination with one of those tiny stripped down Celery 700 boxes, I'm pretty much set.

    --SB

    1. Re:Getting there by Whitehawke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ummm...would you like the moon with that too?

      Respectfully, this is WAY beyond what the state of the art can support right now, or in the foreseeable future.

      It's a chicken-and-egg problem...the masses won't be interested in wearables until they are more or less equivalent to desktops. But until the masses are interested, the major players won't devote major funding to getting wearables up to desktop level. Which means that only hobbyists and small businesses will do it. Which means that progress will be very slow.

      On the other hand, I think you may be overestimating what you really need. Instead of thinking "What do I need from a wearable in order to do the things that I do on my desktop?" try thinking "What can I do on my wearable that I can't do on my desktop?"

      Here are some suggestions:

      * have a combined MP3 player/watch/note taker/scheduler/data bank/voice-over-IP cell phone/email/pager, all in one go-anywhere device

      * have a personal electronic assistant that helps you remember things based on your current surroundings and other cues (check out the Remembrance Agents Page for more details)

      * broadcast video of what you're seeing back to your home basestation. If you get mugged, you have a video of the guy's face. If you see a beautiful sunset, you can watch it (admittedly on a small screen) with your sweetie later.

      * mapping software that updates in realtime, showing you where you are and providing you detailed instructions on how to get to your destination.

      * ...use your imagination

      Dave Storrs

    2. Re:Getting there by Telek · · Score: 2

      yeah and what happens when the government starts realizing that they can record everything that you see, and hackers start to grab in and record what you're seeing too? Dunno if I like the implications of that, especially in wake of recent events.

      --

      If God gave us curiosity
  40. Video Camera by nanospook · · Score: 1

    Do you want the video camera put in the 4th gen so you can pick up eye signals to control the computer? Blink twice rapidly to close window...

    --
    Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
  41. Umm I was wearing a full color version 2 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm this is older than my grandma and she codes in cobol! I was working with stuff smaller and better than this 2 years ago. DUH! :B

  42. Re:Be aware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely.

    +5 Correct

  43. Security Field by Dakisha · · Score: 1

    A good market for this could be security. Combine a HMD with some form of wearable PDA or 'small' laptop (It doesn't need to be anything high tech, a secure strap/backpack), set it up with wireless networking and you could beam images from security cameras to the users sunglasses/goggles. A 'button', 'pad' or custom trackball style device could be used to navigate between cameras. This would be a niche market admittedly, but I'm sure various uses could be thought of for such a device.. Open for thoughts..

  44. Come to Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of those pattents are only legal in the US, you could come to Europe, produce them and seel them in a web site.

  45. *Obviously* this is for *Cell Phones*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen you! You've got a *great* application for cell phone usage. Think - Cars & Cell Phone = Accidents. Whats the solution? Use a Monitor Glasses to help a person dial a number which is the most difficult part of the conversation.
    Also, Japan is coming out with Video Cell Phones. What about that? Plug the glasses into a cell phone!

    1. Re:*Obviously* this is for *Cell Phones*! by spauldo · · Score: 1

      In japan you can't use a cell phone while driving. The military had to get special permission to use their radios while driving as well.

      --
      Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
  46. Re:Umm I was wearing a full color version 2 years by __aaaaxm1522 · · Score: 2

    Yes, you were. And you (if you actually paid for your toy and it wasn't company property) paid at least $6k for it.

    There are, unfortunately, very few wearable HMD systems that are discrete and don't make you look like a reject from the Collective. ;)

  47. ...then get posted to Slashdot... by David+Gould · · Score: 3, Interesting


    You should also try and figure out a way to get your page posted someplace where it'll be seen by about a quarter-million geeks who've been dreaming of something like this for at least ten years.

    Seriously, at $1500 a pop, limited to 320x240 greyscale, and with a 2-month waiting list (and that was presumably before today), I'd guess that you're not quite at the point where every single one of us will buy one, but even so, you probably did just secure at least a few orders. (It'd be interesting if you'd post back in a few days with the results.) The sweet spot would probably be if you could hit 640x480 and at least 8-bit color without going too far over $600.

    Still, this is already pretty nice -- I'd call myself "tempted", but not quite "seriously tempted", as it is; definitely interested enough to keep an eye on your progress. The price point is probably more important than the features: I'd be more likely to buy it as it is if you got the price down than at the current price if you got the features up.

    Good luck.

    --
    David Gould
    main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
    1. Re:...then get posted to Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      You should also try and figure out a way to get your page posted someplace where it'll be seen by about a quarter-million geeks who've been dreaming of something like this for at least ten years.

      Maybe the goatse.cx guy would let you use some space.

    2. Re:...then get posted to Slashdot... by DonaldP · · Score: 1


      You bring up an interesting point. Right now it's useful for what it is and for interface to a semi-embedded system (like wearables).



      However, to be really useful in a variety of applications (in-glasses camera viewfinder, private computer display, private video entertainment, etc etc) it needs at least color 640x480 for real flexibility for many applications.



      The day's coming though. One of these days I or someone else will pull it off. :)

  48. Complete wearable by moebius_4d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The picture for wearable fans is getting steadily better. Consider an Ipaq with wireless package, pcmcia video card, IBM 1Gb Microdrive, a Twiddler2, and one of these HMDs. The specs to hook up a Twiddler2 are already out there. You run linux from here and you're all set.

    Well, maybe you might want another battery :)

    Sure it has a redundant screen. I used to hate that idea. But now I realize that it just means I can still use the machine in situations where the wearable is not appropriate (like the beach) or when I've already taken it off.

    Every year these little handhelds get more powerful and the peripheral market around them gets richer. I think this is the critical mass that will finally allow the normal (non-EE) person to put together usable and powerful wearables. The HMD is really the missing link.

    Just as an aside, I wrote the author about modifying my own M1 to his first-gen sunglasses hack some time ago, and he refused to do the job (for money, I mean) because he felt that his current design required too much "tuning" for each person's ergos. I guess he's licked that problem, and it's nice to know that some people really aren't just in it for the money. He's a good guy.

  49. A few applications by horza · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes the input device is problematic, but ignoring this and plugging it into a pack with hard drive think of the applications:
    • pop up map of the area when walking around trying to find the place you are supposed to be having a meeting. Using GPS the map scrolls and stays centered on you
    • watch videos whilst sitting on the Tube instead of just listening to MP3s
    • discretely pull up information on items during an auction preview so as not to show you are interested in bidding
    • get GREAT marks in those exams
    • sun, sea, sand, shades... and email! Heaven
    • bored with making love to the same woman? Superimpose Nicole Kidmans face
    • Who Wants to be a Millionaire*



    Ok, it's getting late. Will stop there.

    * gameshow, for those that don't know it.

    Phillip.
    1. Re:A few applications by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 2

      Plug it (or wireless it - better) into your car's onboard computer and have head up speedo, tachometer, fuel, oil pressure, anything else you care about. But personally I'd find a head up speedo most useful.

      --
      I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
    2. Re:A few applications by compwizrd · · Score: 2

      Indeed, they are nice.. Controller's Bonneville SSEi has a HUD for radio, speed, signals, and a few other things.. Works great. I thought of putting a similar system in my own car, but mounting it on the dash so it doesn't look horrible, is the hard part.

  50. Privacy? by ruszka · · Score: 1

    How exactly does the display work? What would someone see looking at the glasses from in front of you? I have no knowledge in the whole beamsplitting, reflection thing so you'll have to excuse me :P but would it be possible someone could use a similar device directed toward the glasses that could "steal" or capture what's being displayed? or do the glasses have some sort of protective 'coating' (not sure on a good term) that would prevent this?

  51. PDA Application? by MikeyNg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about if you could figure a way to work this with a PDA? The resolution and lack of color would seem to work well with a Palm OS guy. You'd have to work on the interface a bit, but it'd be relatively cool to have your address book handy right where you could see it. You could scribble notes to yourself while walking down the street and what not. HMD+PDA+Expedia = easy navigation, or a quick car crash. (You get my point, though.) Combine your HMD with the black and white Clie's with the jog dial, and you may be able to sell some. Especially to those tech-crazy Japanese.

    --
    Where the wind blows, the tumbleweed goes.
  52. The Eye Strain Problem by spiro_killglance · · Score: 2, Informative
    The main problem with a computer display in
    glasses is as discussed above eye strain.


    Imagine an standard but small LCD display in
    front of your eye. To focus on it, is the same
    as focusing on any object 2 cm away from you
    eye, downright impossible unless your extremely
    short sighted. This is easy to fix you put a
    lens in front of the LCD so that to correctly everything
    is focused at infinity or maybe 20 feet away,
    i.e. your
    eye has to focus as if the image was at infinity or 20 feet. But this is still is not good enough.


    The eye (and brain) is built to be continously
    focusing on different objects at different depths,
    and keeping it locked at in single focal depth for
    very long produces eye strain. Worse still is that
    if your viewing a 3d image, the parallex clues the brain gets to what distance an object is
    at, have nothing to with what depth the eye has
    to focus at, and this could cause further problems
    with eye strain, that you wouldn't normally get
    just by staring somewhere for a long period of time.


    True when you look around a room you don't tend to
    notice objects coming in and out of focus, but this is
    in fact because the Brain uses the eye
    to update the model of your surroundings and it
    is this model you normally perceive.

    Until someone can design a system that has
    different virtual objects at different focal depths, eye strain will painfully prevent such
    displays becoming popular consumer items.

    1. Re:The Eye Strain Problem by Fixer · · Score: 1
      I have questions for you: First, since I play 3D shooters quite often and for long stretches at a time, I should be suffering massive eye-strain. I don't. Doesn't bother me. Here's why:

      I've developed the habit of looking away from the screen for a second or two when nothing's going on. Works great.

      Now, you have a display floating in your field of view, but not totally encompassing your view nor blocking the view. My adaptation would apply, I think. And I didn't conciously develop this, it just sort of happened.

      So I don't think eyestrain is a real problem with this particular form of display. Now, if the display covered your entire view field, then you might have issues.

      --
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  53. MicroOptical's HUD *is* available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although there is no "sales" page on their site, this is normal for a product in prototype stage which costs several thousand dollars. If you send them an email, they will be happy to inform you that their glasses are available, and range in price from $1500 to $2500.

  54. Re:Twiddler2 by Whitehawke · · Score: 1


    I bought a Twiddler a couple years ago, and a Twiddler2 a few months ago. Chris George, the guy who basically IS Handykey, is on the up-and-up, and even went to a fair amount of trouble to support me...I dropped my Twiddler, and the cable started to get spotty. He took it back, and sent me a new one with no trouble.

    Dave Storrs

  55. Time For CONVENIENT eBooks? by theodp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A year or two ago, Newsweek did a feature on eBooks.

    The chief lament was that they were more incovenient than real books.

    Elsewhere in the same issue, there was a story about computer displays embedded in (albeit oversized at the time) eyeglasses.

    EUREKA!!!!!!!!

  56. small...and small-ER!???? by sewagemaster · · Score: 1


    and i thought parents used to complain that the gameboy screen being too small and that kids are looking at the damn things way too close and get really bad perscription on their eyes. now isnt it great to have something closer and have a shorter distance between your eye and itself!

  57. Now give me this... by 2Bits · · Score: 1
    A Vaio PictureBook, this "eyeglasses" (preferably can display 1024x768, full color) with an integrated ear bud for audio, a high-speed wireless internet card.


    Now, that's what I want.

  58. Re:Jump to conclusions by mrpull · · Score: 1

    I have this idea too. You take a mat, and put two feet in the middle. Then you write a bunch of _conclusions_ all around the mat. When you have a question that you need answered, you stand on the two feet and JUMP. What ever you land on, is your CONCLUSION.

    Get it? *Jump to Conclusions!*

    errrr...I think somebody else must have thought this up before....

    mr.

  59. It takes some guts... by Eslyjah · · Score: 1

    ...but borrow money. the fed just cut short-term interest rates to 2.5%, which is below the rate of inflation (free money). find a lawyer who can incorporate you, so that if your business fails, you don't lose your house. borrow however much money you think is reasonable. i'm sure there are lots of talented people you could hire to help you run operations, since the economy is bad and lots of people have been laid off.

    i know it's a gutsy move, but there is no great gain without great risk. give it a shot.

    1. Re:It takes some guts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's free money if the borrowing rate is less than the saving rate.
      inflation has nothing to do with it.

  60. Funny you should say that. :-) by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    I mentioned square because it can easily be built out of plywood and contact sensors. When I think of a round version, I think of a professional high impact plastic version with nice arc wedges that make a satisfying click similar to that of a mouse button (only on a larger scale). Of course then it would look like a giant Simon. ;-) Keep in mind that I actually drew up plans to actually build this thing at some point, so I was looking at it from the perspective of how cheap and easy it is to build.

    As for the re-defining of the controls, I thought of that too. However, you really need a round design in that situation. The reason is, what if you turn 45 degrees? You wouldn't really have a paddle in front of you. On the other hand, a round version would allow you to divide it into eight partitions instead of four. The eight would be close enough together that you will always have a forward, back, left, and right. As a bonus, you would also gain diagonal movement. :-)

  61. Not to be rude... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    ...but ACK! How would you balance on the ball? Anything large enough to be reasonable to stand on would also take up the better part of a large room.

  62. How 'bout a Sphere by Ian+Peon · · Score: 1

    Check out this site for an even more immersive (though theoretical) hardware. If you have the dough, looks like you can actually pick up something similar here.

  63. Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to make a paper kite to my son, but failed. And you, you make wearable glasses.

  64. Vary your focus by KegDude · · Score: 3, Insightful
    (RelliK:) Staring at an object so close to your eyeballs can't be good. Wouldn't it strain your eyes a lot more than conventional monitor?

    (Tekmage:) The focal point is actually far in front of you..

    As a bonus with these displays, make the focus point of the text vary slowly over time, so your eyes aren't always set to a particular distance.

    Hey, it's a selling point too.. Exercise for your eyes, while you work!

    Seriously, it seems pretty obvious that it would be very beneficial for your eyes to not have to be set to the same focus all day, like it may be right now, if your work involves staring at your monitor all day long.

  65. Already been done by greggman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    4 or 5 years ago a company called Virtual Vision had sunglass based consumer displays. They nearly went under when they found there was no market for them.

    They are still around and they do mostly vertical market stuff now and they've become a subsidiary of eMagin which makes super small LCD displys (like 1280x1024 in less than 1 inch)

    Since the sunglass thing they also make Borg like half sunglass attachements. The uses I've heard of are for example, a surgeon can wear one and have all your vital signs in his view (or just at a glance to the side of his forward view) at all times so instead of having to look up at all those machines hanging over the operating table he can concentrate on the surgery.

    Another I've heard of is supposedly it takes a truckload of manuals to cover maintainence on commerical airliners. Well, they made a belt worn wireless networked computer connected to one of their displays with voice input so instead of having to bring the truck over and search through the paper manuals while trying to fix something the mechanic could just call it up on the display he's wearing and glance at it while he works on the problem area.

    PS: My Father works for that company.

  66. Face Reconigtion with added Camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Imagine, you could have a database of faces of people you know, and have a little camera on those glasses which reconigses a face when you push the little red button on your pda.

    Then to the side of your vision (assumming higher res) brings up things like birthdays. Then you attach a mic listening for keywords like "..the email you sent me last week about ..", and it pulls up all emails from that person last week from all their known account, and auto opens any that have that subject in that subject line, or reference to it in the body.

    Sure, you need more computing power, better batterys, a mini camera, but the technology is not 10 years away...

  67. Technology making it easier to cheat by gomerbud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, some punk ass kid gets one of these things for his birthday. Its got a camera, OCR software, and a computer algebra package. All of a sudden he starts pulling A's in his math classes without learning a thing...

    If these things get mass produced, and I hope they do, they will probably be treated by academia like the origonal pocket calculators. If you get caught with one, you get expelled. Watching this industry mature is going to be very interesting. Its just one step closer to the cyberpunk lifestyle in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. And damn, it is cool.

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    1. Re:Technology making it easier to cheat by Telek · · Score: 2

      *if* they were entirely conspicuous then perhaps you would have a point, but they're not. And I think it will be a very long time until they will be. How many teachers let you wear sunglasses into your exams? And sunglases with a wierd looking attachment on the side and wires running out of it?

      I think that you're looking at 10+ years until this type of technology is even close to real use, and all it would require is for all glasses to be briefly checked as you head into the exam room.

      And besides, if you want to check it's not very hard to. There are many many ways to get away with cheating pretty cleanly, but then again you're only cheating yourself in the long run.

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  68. that MIT "borg guy" software + these by Barbarian · · Score: 2

    On /. a few weeks ago there was a link to the wearable computers guy at MIT who's been doing the wearable borg thing for like 10 years--he had software that would show someone's name superimposed next to their face... combine that with these low profile glasses and you have something for forgetful people...think, no more:

    "Hi, I'd like you to meet Anna"

    "My name's Arlene."

    "oh, err...."

  69. Magnets by beable · · Score: 1
    How would you balance on the ball?
    Magnets. Duh.
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    1. Re:Magnets by ReindeerBeer · · Score: 1

      Mmy brother and I were discussing this, and an array of small balls would produce the right results. By creating a flat surface of many balls, this would allow the user to walk in any direction on the spot. This would again require the system to track the direction the user is moving in, but that would be easy.

    2. Re:Magnets by sh4na · · Score: 1

      That is really, really interesting!
      Tracking is a piece of cake, like a giant trackball, and this would allow for all kinds of movement and speed with little restriction.
      Now, to build such a thing, what would one need? mmm....

      ;Shana; Gone Crazy, Back Soon, Leave Message...

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    3. Re:Magnets by ReindeerBeer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, basically, you'd need a bunch of trackballs, and possibly something to keep the user from moving away, a tether of sorts. The rest is simply current trackball technology.

  70. is this at all possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it. In order to be focused properly on the retina, all the incoming light beams would need to be close to parallel.

    Ususally this is achieved using mirrors that reflect the light one or more times, producing the same result as if it had followed a long physical path before entering your eye. (Right?)

    This makes sense, as you can't focus on something 2-3 cm from your eyes. (Try your nose.)

    Is there another way? Light emitting in narrow beams?

    Judging by the look of the glasses, whatever it is, it must be done using coating and electrodes around the edges, since the glasses look perfectly normal.

    So.. is this page a hoax or what?

  71. Hollywood doesn't need them.. by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 2

    ..they just take silly-looking sunglasses from (insert leading vendor here) and pretend there's a screen on the inside. (Think M:I-2.)

    That said, the goal here does seem to be glasses where it's impossible to detect the display technology, even with untinted lenses. I can't wait to see a fourth- or fifth-generation display from this guy mass-marketed for a reasonable price. (I'd pay the price of a high-quality 19" CRT, but not much more.)

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  72. Ipaq by nr · · Score: 0

    Intresting. Would be great use if they could be used in conjunction with the Ipaq with nowadays got WLAN, GPRS and Bluetooth integrated into one backpack module. And it can run fullblown Linux to and PocketPC 2002.

    http://www.abnw.se/wireless_products/1/1.asp

  73. Computer enhanced reality. by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about this:

    A pair of display glasses kept next to the copy machine. When it jams in location D2, the user puts them on and an animation of how to remove the jam is superimposed on the actual mechanism. The same applies to any kind of mechanical task (think fixing an automobile, or the advanced chapters of the Kama Sutra).

    Or this:

    A firefigter eners a burning building; it's smoky and nothing can be seen. Radar maps the suroundings and shows a wireframe model on his heads up display. (Actually, I think they have things already which can see through smoke, but perhaps they could be made lighter). Or maybe containers of hazardous materials would have a transponder that would alert the firefighter to its presence, display a red dot at its location, and show its material safety data sheet on request.

    Or this:

    A headset that gives a surgeon a heads up view of her patient's vital signs, displays plans she has made for complex operations, and integrates with advance sensors to give her the equivalent of x-ray vision.

    Or this:

    A pair of glasses that would allow people identifying rare plants or insects to compare specimens to the taxonomic databases. They could even be integrated with a video microscope so the user doesn't have to bend of a stereo microscope all day.

    Personally, I'd like to get rid of computer monitors. They're an ergonomic disaster, and scaling them up in size creates all kinds of space and energy problems. But I could probably think of a hundred other applications for them in every day life. I believe computer enhanced reality has a huge potential.

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    1. Re:Computer enhanced reality. by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 2
      A firefigter eners a burning building; it's smoky and nothing can be seen. Radar maps the suroundings and shows a wireframe model on his heads up display. (Actually, I think they have things already which can see through smoke, but perhaps they could be made lighter). Or maybe containers of hazardous materials would have a transponder that would alert the firefighter to its presence, display a red dot at its location, and show its material safety data sheet on request

      Yes, it is called a Thermal Imager. I think the hardest part of this would not the technology, but the application. We see heat in excess of 1000 degrees F, which would quicky melt most any sunglasses.

      However, and this may be a thought to the originator. When we enter a hazardous condition (read: fire, HazMat), we are wearing our SCBAs. These include a mask that connects to our air tank. If there was a way that you could integrate the display onto those masks, with an on/off button, there would probably be a gigantic market for it.

    2. Re:Computer enhanced reality. by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      Or a pair of glasses that gives a surgeon a HUD of how much health insurance a patient has left...

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    3. Re:Computer enhanced reality. by CYberPhreak · · Score: 1

      Wasn't something similar to this used in Michael Chrichton's (sp) Airframe?

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  74. Emailing his site by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 1

    Another thing you might want to think about is checking to see what information your site is displaying,especially when potential investors are heading over. For example, I clicked on the interactive script that lets me see your last 16 emails, and got this:

    --- cut here ---
    10:12 am having trouble getting mail to domain
    10:27 am works now
    10:28 am what's the command to find an ip
    10:31 am no replies yet from u? will re-send all mails
    11:01 am i think you're emails broken
    12:53 pm thanks for the replies - all works now
    12:58 pm can't find your web site URL again - can you re-send?
    1:00 pm found it in my bookmarks, nevermind
    1:52 pm can you give me your phone # to talk now cause you don't
    always reply to email right away like you should
    7:02 pm Got your replies - reading them (Re: give me your phone#)
    7:31 pm I THINK YOU GOT VIRUS PUTTING BAD WORDS IN YOR REPLYS!!1!
    7:43 pm Bob here says he cant' see yahoo - is it down?
    7:46 pm Nevermind - bob says it works (Re: Bob here says he can')
    8:50 pm hope your email get's fixe'd soon
    9:35 pm you replied!
    9:38 pm whats "restraining order" ? is it my account name pls rply
    --- cut here ---

    Probably not the best thing for us to see. Though some of them show you have friends very similar to mine. :)

    1. Re:Emailing his site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...i think that was a joke.

  75. Sell them to skydivers! by yelligsc · · Score: 1

    After making a few jumps this last summer, i noticed that skydivers are more or less obsessed with getting realtime data while in free fall. As far as i know, all the existing technology is audible only.

    But I can imagine some people really getting a kick out of seeing their vertical speed, altitude, heading, and maybe even some big flashing messages when they get down to beakoff and pull time.

    I know many people now jump with sunglasses, so if you can just find a reasonable small ic to read airpressure, and some more electronics to process it and output a VGA signal, this could be very cool :)

    Plus people who spend thousands and thousands on gear wouldnt mind dropping 1500$ on some cool eye wear.

    Just a thought,

    Scott.

  76. MicroOptical? I don't think so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The actual display is built by The Microdisplay corporation.

    http://www.microdisplay.com

  77. And another application... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 2

    You know those situations where you meet someone and they recognise you but you haven't a clue who they are... easy. Face recognition software and it prints up in your sunglasses... 'that's your mother'.

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  78. Reinventing the wheel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to the idea of using the refractive properties of the lens to reflect an image back to the eye?

    How does the technology accommodate those with minor visual impairments (i.e., those that wear corrective lenses)?

    Are you staring at my breasts? staring off into space? Are we, as a society, ready to accept the social interaction implications?

    Some still find it odd when they encounter people who are seeming talking to themselves, but who are in fact talking via inobtrusive, wireless headsets.

  79. This application rocks by DrDeaf · · Score: 1

    If you're a rock musician and, well, I mean like, you know... When you're playing a really crazy gig and it's all at the stage where you can't remember the words? You could have your Word Man just roll 'em by while you rock! Cool.

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  80. I cant see! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG!!! Im Blind!! Everything just went BLUE?!?!?!

    I can barely make out some words..."Windows Has Detected An Error"....Heeeeeellllp!

  81. VR Surfboard... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    Not my idea, but I have never seen an implementation of it, so I wrote a how-to a long while back on building it:

    Cheap VR Issue 3

    Basically, it works like a joypad, only larger, where you "lean" in the direction you want to "go".

    BTW, don't bother emailing the address contained in the issue - it don't work anymore, instead, email to phoenixgarage addy...

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  82. Facinating by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    My first thought was "wouldn't you fall off?", but then I read your article and got a better understanding of what you were saying and it is really a good idea. The largest technical challenges I could see would be in the calibration of the switches to the resistence of the innertube. With the wrong calibration, you could accidently trip switches that you didn't intend to trip, or not be able to trip switches that you do want to trip. Other than that, your idea is extremely sound (and similar ;-)). Do you know if anyone has actually built one of these?

    1. Re:Facinating by cr0sh · · Score: 2

      No, I don't know if anyone has, nor have I myself. It is one of those "back burner" projects (actually, I have been waiting forever to somehow create or buy a cheap sourceless head tracking system to create this - I suppose a boom mounted tracker could be used, maybe).

      You are right on the calibration issues. I suppose if you could hook up some variable resistors or strain gauges, and mount the thing on springs, then you could measure the tilt that way, and provide a calibration loop in the software. Step on, calibrate center, then use.

      Or, how about this - between two round pieces of plywood or steel, space a few piezo elements spaced around, in a circle, about a third of the way in from the edge (so you have plywood round-piezo elements-plywood round kind of sandwich). A thin bead of silicone caulking around the edge and near the center might provide a little support and prevent slippage. Then, as you tilt and "mash" the piezo elements, varing voltages would be generated, which could be sensed and used to determine direction. It would be a thinner platform, possibly even easier to construct. Or, do the same with a single plywood, steel or plastic round, but epoxy the elements on the 8 directions around the edge, then epoxy short steel, wood or plastic "legs" - thinest of all if used on a hard floor...

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  83. Hmmm.... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2

    No, I don't know if anyone has, nor have I myself. It is one of those "back burner" projects

    Just like mine, eh? The power glove was as far as I ever got. :-)

    Then, as you tilt and "mash" the piezo elements, varing voltages would be generated, which could be sensed and used to determine direction.

    That could work, but I think we would end up with the same problem as the joysticks of yore. IIRC, most of them used piezo elements to detect joystick movement in liu of a (then expensive) analog to digital converter. The problem of course was that they needed to be very specifically calibrated (and as they wore out, recalibrated). With an "assitant processor" one could handle it automatically, but I don't think it would make a very good direct interface.

    You could use gyros, but I think that would be more difficult and would probably require much of the same calibration. Probably the best way would be to put the switch on the base board, put a spring around the sensor, and attach a long piece of wood (or whatever) to the top board and also place it inside the spring. With a gap of say 1/2 inch to an inch you could probably have a reasonable reliable setup. The down side of course is that you would need a lot more "give" than your previous design, but calibration wouldn't be a problem.

    Of course, I could be talking out of my ass. :-)

  84. Old Joysticks by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    All original PC joysticks used a timing system of a capacitor/potentiometer circuit that timed based on discharge rates (or something similar - there is more than enough docs on the net about this - look up "joystick programming" on google, heck, I might even have a link on the site), not piezo elements.

    That isn't to say such elements were never used, but it certainly was far from common. Switches would be better to use, and your idea for a spring system might be workable. Some robotics projects have used similar systems for "whisker" sensors...

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  85. Sunglasses and HUD in one! by Vapor · · Score: 1

    I have been curious about the availability of an aftermarket HUD for my car. This would be a great solution.

    Of course, there would need to be other equipment to attach to your vehicle... and you would probably want to wirelessly transmit the data from your car to the glasses... but you could keep tabs on everything that is normally on your dash through your glasses... plus other things.

    This just gets us back to the whole computer enhanced reality thing of course... but it would be cool!