(1) You don't need a family (why does no-one factor this in as a moral decision in terms of how this will impact their behaviour to make moral decisions in the future?), nor in the West will your family starve if you don't have a job;
(2) You don't need to pay the mortgage.
Try carefully to read the context: you don't need that job to survive.
It's much tougher to have the courage of your convictions but simply being temporarily poor will not kill you in most of the Western world.
There are exceptions: those physically and mentally unhealthy or at the lower end of intelligence may not be able to cope with the difficulties of being poor.
I don't really think there's a medicine gold rush. The time it takes to finally get to a real job (7-11+ years after college depending on specialty) puts a damper on that.
5 years of medical degree before salaried employment begins in the UK - sure, you do foundation training and then specialisation, but you're already earning and comfortable. Contrast with many other professional careers where you also only really begin your specialisation after you start employment but there's less in the way of job security.
It takes a doctor to tell everyone how insanely tough and long-winded his journey to qualification was. Yes, it's a more lengthy journey in the US, partly because you don't have A-levels in the UK (or used to be - they've got way easier) comparable to first year of US university and partly because it's typical to do a separate undergraduate degree rather than a medical programme straight out of high school. Again, though, this is typical of professional qualifications. And, in terms of academic skill, someone pursuing a PhD is expected to reach far higher in a similar number of years.
solicit prices for plumbing work from different plumbers
How is a plumber nonproductive? Or am I missing the sarcasm tags?
Like a toupee on a fading fame, Final whistle in a losing game, Thick lipstick on a five year old girl, Makes you think that’s it’s a plastic world.
Plastic world were all plastic too, Just a couple of different faces in a dead-mans queue The world is turning Disney and there’s nothing you can do, You’re trying to walk like giants but your wearing Pluto’sshoes.
And the answers fall easier from the barrel of a gun, Than it does from the lips of the beautiful and the dumb. The world won’t end in darkness it’ll end in family fun, With Coca-Cola clouds behind a Big-Mac sun.
Howling scream in a church asleep, Rusting bicycle in the ocean deep, Like an earring on a newly born, Strong perfume on a winters morn.
The world is perfumed and were perfumed as well, Petals from a flower that blossomed in hell. You can’t breathe the air through the thickness of the smell, And you can’t see the hair through the grease or the gel.
And the answer falls easier from the barrel of a gun, Than it does from the lips of the beautiful and the dumb. The world won’t end in darkness it’ll end in family fun, With Coca-Cola clouds behind a Big-Mac sun.
The output device is better suited to arranging the various streams of data than the decoder. Just as your DVD player doesn't choose where you position your speakers if you can hear, it shouldn't choose how you display your subtitles if you're deaf. They're not inherently part of the video. See also the difference between HTML+CSS+included files and a pre-rendered BMP of everything.
(And it doesn't normally put subtitles onto the picture anyway - although for upconverting players this may be the only option, creating the issue where subtitles only sometimes work.)
Compression, yes. DTS-MA and mpeg-4 are indeed compressed formats.
Sorry, yes, compressed audio in multiple streams may be supported, though I'm unsure what's part of the base standard apart from PCM. MPEG4 / video in general though?
Since injunctions like this have existed for all of the past 15 years of popular Internet and have worked at minimising information spread in the UK without anyone being up in arms... I'd say the law is effective.
Sounds like you just have something against people "who studied law", though, which is a bizarre appeal to ignorance. Established law mostly adapted to the Internet quite well, as is the way with common law systems. It's new legislation lobbied for by special interests with a good knowledge of the Internet which has damaged things, from the pressure which produced the IWF all the way to the draconian DEA.
Yes, why does anyone post on the Internet when all datasheets and journal papers are already written?
All I could find in the documentation was an API for reading the GPIO bits one pin at a time and using the USB under serial emulation. I wondered whether perhaps there was some direct passthrough, e.g. using isochronous USB mode, supported by the hardware. Failing that, IN low / OUT low / IN high / OUT high / LOOP - not quite there with the specs you describe, but I was needing nearer 1.5MHz and I wasn't sure what the real upper clock limit is. Back 2 ARM.
I know this is OT, but if I have a 2MHz band which I'm sampling per Nyquist through an ADC with 14 bit resolution, are any Arduinos in practice going to let me stream that to the USB? I'm assuming the Arduinos' own ADCs aren't good enough. Just for a project I thought I'd waste a few days on...
Look, you got it wrong and now you're playing the "overly pedantic geek" card. Radiotelephones to a base station allowed you to specify who you could speak to. In early days it was a human operator who physically patched you through, but hey, "it is never specified" how it happened on Star Trek and maybe Uhuru had a massive switchboard that we just never saw. Or maybe each communicator had a speech recognition unit to set peer frequency based on name.
Star Trek communicators did not routinely work like cell phones: there was no setting up of a cell in between beaming down to a planet and first contact with the ship or each other. Your most Occam-defying counterargument might be that one of the crew members was secretly assigned the role of "portable cell tower carrier" and that said crew member was conveniently never annihilated/forcefielded such that - in the many billions of Star Trek episodes where communicators become ineffective - the problem is never described in terms of this.
Re cellphones: they are so called because they use a network of cells, which is precisely what you don't get when you're visiting other planets. Instead you get the single base station - the ship - and perhaps peer-to-peer, IOW classical radiotelephone.
Re Styalator: Well, yes, until the advent of LCD in the late '60s, merging tablet and screen was going to be a problem. The Dynabook, contemporary with Star Trek, was the realisable conceptual equivalent.
Re the expert system: they're already available in the form of MYCIN and descendants. Perhaps all that's interesting in the Tricorder is the apparent ability to quickly take vital stats without contact, which could of course be useful for pros and laymen.
Have you actually read the original study? The conditions are so restricted and and number of people involved so small that we can barely conclude anything.
1. Star Trek had radio telephones, not "cell phones" - they've been around since before WW2: dumb tool leaving the thinking to humans;
2. The Styalator tablet input device was produced in 1957: dumb tool leaving the thinking to humans;
3. The MRI was fairly recent, but PET (and Star Trek didn't distinguish) applied to medical imaging was discussed by Sweet and Brownell in 1953: dumb tool leaving the thinking to humans;
4. The tricorder could be considered a combination of imaging, sensors and an expert system: attempt to replace human judgement with AI.
Unsurprisingly, one of these things is glaringly missing from everyday modern life.
Provide evidence in the form of research results which demonstrate that corporal punishment is effective.
You say:
There's no correlation between the punishment of bad behaviour, and a corresponding increase in good behaviour? Are you really saying that!?
(1) "!?" is not a suitable argument technique - it shows that you're flustered by an attempt to poke at your prejudice with reason;
(2) You've erected a straw man: we're discussing corporal punishment, not punishment in general;
(3) Even your straw man is fairly sturdy: punishment of general bad behaviour (e.g. by locking up in jail) isn't a very good deterrent. It tends at worst to be no better than much cheaper and more humane methods of modifying behaviour. Soooo much research on recidivism.
There is evidence of a strong correlation if you are willing to look for it. It is hidden from you by people who would rather it was not true.
LOL, a conspiracy theory about hiding the effectiveness of corporal punishment of children? I love the Internet!
One relevant fact is that the inner city schools once were effective educational establishments with good discipline. That was 50 years ago. What happened since?
Well, 50 years ago there were lots of secure training and job opportunities. Page 24 might help you.
Newsflash: he's right.
Whatever you say, Violet.
If the Left really cared about social mobility, helping the poor and disadvantaged, social justice and so on, then they'd call for the reintroduction of effective discipline without delay.
Discipline is worthless without opportunity. Effective discipline does not translate into corporal punishment.
As for "sheltered", I do IT for a living, and all of the companies I work with-- from missions organizations, to auto shops, to dentist / podiatrist / general MD offices, to law firms, to economists, all can do nothing when their network backbone (switch) goes down.
Nothing? Wow, that is bad. A decade or two ago all these places probably didn't even have a computer network. Must make your wallet proud that they've all come to rely on this unnecessary point of failure in such a short time. Hell, even when I was working as a software developer in an office I estimate that most of my work involved thought, design and discussion rather than bashing a keyboard - we were able to carry on productively with the network/power out.
Why do you think OLPC is putting a focus on mesh networking in Africa?
Last I checked, OLPC is a feel-good waste of time by a bunch of rich kids with no sense of perspective, explaining why they were getting nowhere.
Do you realize that if the people actually had access to information about just how bad Mugabe was, information NOT controlled by him, they might actually break free?
You're an idiot. Everyone there knows how he behaves, just as the side of my family which grew up in a particular dictatorship could gnash their teeth at the bullshit which came out from the Generalissimo but were powerless to do anything about it. And every regime from the US to NK has elements in power which are trying to censor the Internet: the difference is that the US doesn't feel a pressing need to because it has the resources to drown out dissent. This hasn't stopped US, EU and AU from implementing censorship to varying degrees.
Then there's copyright, a suppression of speech barely practised in China but strongly upheld in the US. Even the Constitution's framers acknowledged that copyright was a limited exception to the natural freedom of ideas and their expressions in order to promote science and the useful arts. But copyright is no longer anything of the sort.
Yea, and screw the printing press, its 500 years old. What is your point?
That you're a fool to consider basing your country's continued functioning on something 15 years old.
Sounds like a "no true scotsman argument", to me. I showed you how our enrollment is better in the US, and you reply "but Cuba has better enrollment in REAL Universities"?
That's not a "no true Scotsman" argument. I never said that University enrollment was a measure of quality of life. All I was doing for you is illustrating a simple reason why you can't use that as a measure of QoL. Consider the UK: in the '80s, Thatcher decided to rename hundreds of polytechnics (essentially technical schools) to universities with the consequent effect that what were technical/vocational qualifications were now called "degrees". Would people like you declare that Thatcher had miraculously increased the number of university undergraduates overnight?
If you have something to show in that regard, Id LOVE to see it,
Because You really cant travel 100 miles ON an island thats only 265 sq miles;
Wow, has Wikipedia really got so bad that it reports Cuba as "265 sq miles" or did you accidentally copy-paste that from elsewhere? Oh, hahaha, I see what you've done, you read the "265 people per square mile" population density in the little info box. With each paragraph you demonstrate more and more that you don't really know what you're talking about and that you're just desperately looking stuff up to support a conclusion you've already made. OK, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to the rest of your post, but I'm not engaging in any further responses... this is just embarrassing.
Or perhaps you're just talking out your arse. Which would be fairly apt.
Well, I can't give you proof of what I witnessed, can I? Would it help if I told you that the misbehaving boy's name was George and the slow kid was Giles? Well, of course not, but there you go...
But I also gave you an account by a famous author which you can check to show you that it does happen.
Really? You did an observational study did you? Because its contrary to my experiences.
We were talking about my experiences. Yes, I did "observe" my own experiences.
Perhaps you should have gone to an inner london comprehensive like I did instead of some posh boarding school.
No, that's OK, I'd rather go to the posh boarding school which educates you than the inner London comprehensive which hits you. Wouldn't you? And, if you lacked the intelligence to get a scholarship / family means to pay for it, would you at least prefer that your school learnt from its betters and improved the lot of its pupils?
If you'd sooner suffer pain than improve your behaviour then perhaps the best route for you would be a psychiatrist.
Of course I'd rather suffer minor pain than kneel before someone who claims authority. I can think of a few regimes other than the one in your authoritarian fantasy which would regard me as needing a psychiatrist for thinking like this, of course.
You made the initial assertion that it did no good. You back it up.
OK, now you're trolling. The default is not to assume a correlation.
Hell yes, I am not advocating microfiche as a substitute for preservation of the originals. I am just strongly in favour of making copies which can be read without requiring society to remain stable and replete with advanced digital technology.
As well as witnessing it and hearing it happen elsewhere, I recall Woolf's biography of Roger Fry describing a similar incident. Perhaps it's a common way for young English boys to respond to flogging.
how many of the other kids *didn't* shit their pants but behaved a lot better?
None.
have memories of school too funnily enough and the teachers who had the most discipline had the best behaved classes. The ones who tried to be nice to the kids and "be their friend" (usually women) ended up with anarchy.
I've never been in a class experiencing "anarchy", although the best way for a teacher to gain respect was to show a high level of competence and combine this with a willingness to engage and discuss. Physical action by teachers all but disappeared beyond pre-preparatory school, although I recall around the age of 14 one very good teacher once losing it on a classmate who was being a bit of a dick, throwing a chair at him. That was just hilarious to everyone concerned, including the chair target (and the teacher suffered no consequences).
Anyway, my experience with corporal punishment experienced from parents, witnessed at school from teachers, and experienced at school from older boys (a staple of boarding school) has been to laugh at people who threaten violence. I know what physical punishment feels like and I don't care. A kick or a lash or a slap heals over - if it's the best authority can impose then I guess I'm above authority.
Total and utter looney left crap, but you keep believing it
Provide evidence in the form of research results which demonstrate that corporal punishment is effective. In order to do this, you need to show (i) that it provides better outcome than other less severe methods, e.g. a timeout; (ii) that it has a long-term positive effect rather than just stopping immediate behaviour.
I recall one kid who was hit when he misbehaved. When he was hit, IIRC, he'd deliberately shit his pants to annoy the teacher. This slap in the face of teacher's almighty authority[tm] in full view of the whole class was enough to stop the class taking the teacher's authority seriously. It's hard to respect someone three times your size who is outwitted and out-willed by a kid under the age of 10.
Of course, eventually she learnt her lesson and stopped hitting the kid. It turns out that not rising to a challenge and sometimes simply sending the kid out of the room to be alone without an audience can work rather well.
Punishment in general (do not confuse this with reward-based incentive nor removal for the protection of others) does not work for producing a free society, let alone corporal punishment. No research has/ever/ been published to the contrary. Corporal punishment is pure sadism.
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(1) You don't need a family (why does no-one factor this in as a moral decision in terms of how this will impact their behaviour to make moral decisions in the future?), nor in the West will your family starve if you don't have a job;
(2) You don't need to pay the mortgage.
Try carefully to read the context: you don't need that job to survive.
It's much tougher to have the courage of your convictions but simply being temporarily poor will not kill you in most of the Western world.
There are exceptions: those physically and mentally unhealthy or at the lower end of intelligence may not be able to cope with the difficulties of being poor.
They made you?
Did they also force you not to loudly announce what had happened at the front of a full store?
Protip: In most of the Western world, you don't need that job to survive.
If you're not a pulmonologist, stop breathing.
I don't really think there's a medicine gold rush. The time it takes to finally get to a real job (7-11+ years after college depending on specialty) puts a damper on that.
5 years of medical degree before salaried employment begins in the UK - sure, you do foundation training and then specialisation, but you're already earning and comfortable. Contrast with many other professional careers where you also only really begin your specialisation after you start employment but there's less in the way of job security.
It takes a doctor to tell everyone how insanely tough and long-winded his journey to qualification was. Yes, it's a more lengthy journey in the US, partly because you don't have A-levels in the UK (or used to be - they've got way easier) comparable to first year of US university and partly because it's typical to do a separate undergraduate degree rather than a medical programme straight out of high school. Again, though, this is typical of professional qualifications. And, in terms of academic skill, someone pursuing a PhD is expected to reach far higher in a similar number of years.
solicit prices for plumbing work from different plumbers
How is a plumber nonproductive? Or am I missing the sarcasm tags?
I look forward to the law/medicine gold rush.
Well, it'll be nice to see as many doctors as in Cuba, and paid similarly.
Lawyers/"business"? It's hard to put value on nonproductive work.
This reminds me.
Like a toupee on a fading fame,
Final whistle in a losing game,
Thick lipstick on a five year old girl,
Makes you think that’s it’s a plastic world.
Plastic world were all plastic too,
Just a couple of different faces in a dead-mans queue
The world is turning Disney and there’s nothing you can do,
You’re trying to walk like giants but your wearing Pluto’sshoes.
And the answers fall easier from the barrel of a gun,
Than it does from the lips of the beautiful and the dumb.
The world won’t end in darkness it’ll end in family fun,
With Coca-Cola clouds behind a Big-Mac sun.
Howling scream in a church asleep,
Rusting bicycle in the ocean deep,
Like an earring on a newly born,
Strong perfume on a winters morn.
The world is perfumed and were perfumed as well,
Petals from a flower that blossomed in hell.
You can’t breathe the air through the thickness of the smell,
And you can’t see the hair through the grease or the gel.
And the answer falls easier from the barrel of a gun,
Than it does from the lips of the beautiful and the dumb.
The world won’t end in darkness it’ll end in family fun,
With Coca-Cola clouds behind a Big-Mac sun.
"Last week in EE101 my TA told me..."
The output device is better suited to arranging the various streams of data than the decoder. Just as your DVD player doesn't choose where you position your speakers if you can hear, it shouldn't choose how you display your subtitles if you're deaf. They're not inherently part of the video. See also the difference between HTML+CSS+included files and a pre-rendered BMP of everything.
(And it doesn't normally put subtitles onto the picture anyway - although for upconverting players this may be the only option, creating the issue where subtitles only sometimes work.)
Optical HDMI is available via media converters.
Everything is optical via a media converter ;-).
Compression, yes. DTS-MA and mpeg-4 are indeed compressed formats.
Sorry, yes, compressed audio in multiple streams may be supported, though I'm unsure what's part of the base standard apart from PCM. MPEG4 / video in general though?
[compression] Why does this matter?
What might be some advantages of compression?
If you need ECC on a connection like this, then your equipment is broken. [optical] Why does this matter?
You're answering your own question:
I could see it for going long distances, but otherwise I don't get it.
For short distances, cable choice doesn't matter much either.
You're doing it wrong. Horribly wrong.
Enlighten me. What is the right way?
Since injunctions like this have existed for all of the past 15 years of popular Internet and have worked at minimising information spread in the UK without anyone being up in arms... I'd say the law is effective.
Sounds like you just have something against people "who studied law", though, which is a bizarre appeal to ignorance. Established law mostly adapted to the Internet quite well, as is the way with common law systems. It's new legislation lobbied for by special interests with a good knowledge of the Internet which has damaged things, from the pressure which produced the IWF all the way to the draconian DEA.
Thank you.
None of the benefits of analogue combined with none of the benefits of digital.
Compression: nope;
Error-checking/correction: nope;
Optical fiber: nope;
Text channel (e.g. for closed captioning): nope;
Content "protection": yep.
Yes, why does anyone post on the Internet when all datasheets and journal papers are already written?
All I could find in the documentation was an API for reading the GPIO bits one pin at a time and using the USB under serial emulation. I wondered whether perhaps there was some direct passthrough, e.g. using isochronous USB mode, supported by the hardware. Failing that, IN low / OUT low / IN high / OUT high / LOOP - not quite there with the specs you describe, but I was needing nearer 1.5MHz and I wasn't sure what the real upper clock limit is. Back 2 ARM.
I know this is OT, but if I have a 2MHz band which I'm sampling per Nyquist through an ADC with 14 bit resolution, are any Arduinos in practice going to let me stream that to the USB? I'm assuming the Arduinos' own ADCs aren't good enough. Just for a project I thought I'd waste a few days on...
Look, you got it wrong and now you're playing the "overly pedantic geek" card. Radiotelephones to a base station allowed you to specify who you could speak to. In early days it was a human operator who physically patched you through, but hey, "it is never specified" how it happened on Star Trek and maybe Uhuru had a massive switchboard that we just never saw. Or maybe each communicator had a speech recognition unit to set peer frequency based on name.
Star Trek communicators did not routinely work like cell phones: there was no setting up of a cell in between beaming down to a planet and first contact with the ship or each other. Your most Occam-defying counterargument might be that one of the crew members was secretly assigned the role of "portable cell tower carrier" and that said crew member was conveniently never annihilated/forcefielded such that - in the many billions of Star Trek episodes where communicators become ineffective - the problem is never described in terms of this.
Also, nerd fight! :-)
Re cellphones: they are so called because they use a network of cells, which is precisely what you don't get when you're visiting other planets. Instead you get the single base station - the ship - and perhaps peer-to-peer, IOW classical radiotelephone.
Re Styalator: Well, yes, until the advent of LCD in the late '60s, merging tablet and screen was going to be a problem. The Dynabook, contemporary with Star Trek, was the realisable conceptual equivalent.
Re the expert system: they're already available in the form of MYCIN and descendants. Perhaps all that's interesting in the Tricorder is the apparent ability to quickly take vital stats without contact, which could of course be useful for pros and laymen.
Have you actually read the original study? The conditions are so restricted and and number of people involved so small that we can barely conclude anything.
1. Star Trek had radio telephones, not "cell phones" - they've been around since before WW2: dumb tool leaving the thinking to humans;
2. The Styalator tablet input device was produced in 1957: dumb tool leaving the thinking to humans;
3. The MRI was fairly recent, but PET (and Star Trek didn't distinguish) applied to medical imaging was discussed by Sweet and Brownell in 1953: dumb tool leaving the thinking to humans;
4. The tricorder could be considered a combination of imaging, sensors and an expert system: attempt to replace human judgement with AI.
Unsurprisingly, one of these things is glaringly missing from everyday modern life.
I said:
Provide evidence in the form of research results which demonstrate that corporal punishment is effective.
You say:
There's no correlation between the punishment of bad behaviour, and a corresponding increase in good behaviour? Are you really saying that!?
(1) "!?" is not a suitable argument technique - it shows that you're flustered by an attempt to poke at your prejudice with reason;
(2) You've erected a straw man: we're discussing corporal punishment, not punishment in general;
(3) Even your straw man is fairly sturdy: punishment of general bad behaviour (e.g. by locking up in jail) isn't a very good deterrent. It tends at worst to be no better than much cheaper and more humane methods of modifying behaviour. Soooo much research on recidivism.
There is evidence of a strong correlation if you are willing to look for it. It is hidden from you by people who would rather it was not true.
LOL, a conspiracy theory about hiding the effectiveness of corporal punishment of children? I love the Internet!
One relevant fact is that the inner city schools once were effective educational establishments with good discipline. That was 50 years ago. What happened since?
Well, 50 years ago there were lots of secure training and job opportunities. Page 24 might help you.
Newsflash: he's right.
Whatever you say, Violet.
If the Left really cared about social mobility, helping the poor and disadvantaged, social justice and so on, then they'd call for the reintroduction of effective discipline without delay.
Discipline is worthless without opportunity. Effective discipline does not translate into corporal punishment.
As for "sheltered", I do IT for a living, and all of the companies I work with-- from missions organizations, to auto shops, to dentist / podiatrist / general MD offices, to law firms, to economists, all can do nothing when their network backbone (switch) goes down.
Nothing? Wow, that is bad. A decade or two ago all these places probably didn't even have a computer network. Must make your wallet proud that they've all come to rely on this unnecessary point of failure in such a short time. Hell, even when I was working as a software developer in an office I estimate that most of my work involved thought, design and discussion rather than bashing a keyboard - we were able to carry on productively with the network/power out.
Why do you think OLPC is putting a focus on mesh networking in Africa?
Last I checked, OLPC is a feel-good waste of time by a bunch of rich kids with no sense of perspective, explaining why they were getting nowhere.
Do you realize that if the people actually had access to information about just how bad Mugabe was, information NOT controlled by him, they might actually break free?
You're an idiot. Everyone there knows how he behaves, just as the side of my family which grew up in a particular dictatorship could gnash their teeth at the bullshit which came out from the Generalissimo but were powerless to do anything about it. And every regime from the US to NK has elements in power which are trying to censor the Internet: the difference is that the US doesn't feel a pressing need to because it has the resources to drown out dissent. This hasn't stopped US, EU and AU from implementing censorship to varying degrees.
Then there's copyright, a suppression of speech barely practised in China but strongly upheld in the US. Even the Constitution's framers acknowledged that copyright was a limited exception to the natural freedom of ideas and their expressions in order to promote science and the useful arts. But copyright is no longer anything of the sort.
Yea, and screw the printing press, its 500 years old. What is your point?
That you're a fool to consider basing your country's continued functioning on something 15 years old.
Sounds like a "no true scotsman argument", to me. I showed you how our enrollment is better in the US, and you reply "but Cuba has better enrollment in REAL Universities"?
That's not a "no true Scotsman" argument. I never said that University enrollment was a measure of quality of life. All I was doing for you is illustrating a simple reason why you can't use that as a measure of QoL. Consider the UK: in the '80s, Thatcher decided to rename hundreds of polytechnics (essentially technical schools) to universities with the consequent effect that what were technical/vocational qualifications were now called "degrees". Would people like you declare that Thatcher had miraculously increased the number of university undergraduates overnight?
If you have something to show in that regard, Id LOVE to see it,
Oh, all right, start here.
Because You really cant travel 100 miles ON an island thats only 265 sq miles;
Wow, has Wikipedia really got so bad that it reports Cuba as "265 sq miles" or did you accidentally copy-paste that from elsewhere? Oh, hahaha, I see what you've done, you read the "265 people per square mile" population density in the little info box. With each paragraph you demonstrate more and more that you don't really know what you're talking about and that you're just desperately looking stuff up to support a conclusion you've already made. OK, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to the rest of your post, but I'm not engaging in any further responses... this is just embarrassing.
where is your source th
Or perhaps you're just talking out your arse. Which would be fairly apt.
Well, I can't give you proof of what I witnessed, can I? Would it help if I told you that the misbehaving boy's name was George and the slow kid was Giles? Well, of course not, but there you go...
But I also gave you an account by a famous author which you can check to show you that it does happen.
Really? You did an observational study did you? Because its contrary to my experiences.
We were talking about my experiences. Yes, I did "observe" my own experiences.
Perhaps you should have gone to an inner london comprehensive like I did instead of some posh boarding school.
No, that's OK, I'd rather go to the posh boarding school which educates you than the inner London comprehensive which hits you. Wouldn't you? And, if you lacked the intelligence to get a scholarship / family means to pay for it, would you at least prefer that your school learnt from its betters and improved the lot of its pupils?
If you'd sooner suffer pain than improve your behaviour then perhaps the best route for you would be a psychiatrist.
Of course I'd rather suffer minor pain than kneel before someone who claims authority. I can think of a few regimes other than the one in your authoritarian fantasy which would regard me as needing a psychiatrist for thinking like this, of course.
You made the initial assertion that it did no good. You back it up.
OK, now you're trolling. The default is not to assume a correlation.
Hell yes, I am not advocating microfiche as a substitute for preservation of the originals. I am just strongly in favour of making copies which can be read without requiring society to remain stable and replete with advanced digital technology.
A very likely story.
As well as witnessing it and hearing it happen elsewhere, I recall Woolf's biography of Roger Fry describing a similar incident. Perhaps it's a common way for young English boys to respond to flogging.
how many of the other kids *didn't* shit their pants but behaved a lot better?
None.
have memories of school too funnily enough and the teachers who had the most discipline had the best behaved classes. The ones who tried to be nice to the kids and "be their friend" (usually women) ended up with anarchy.
I've never been in a class experiencing "anarchy", although the best way for a teacher to gain respect was to show a high level of competence and combine this with a willingness to engage and discuss. Physical action by teachers all but disappeared beyond pre-preparatory school, although I recall around the age of 14 one very good teacher once losing it on a classmate who was being a bit of a dick, throwing a chair at him. That was just hilarious to everyone concerned, including the chair target (and the teacher suffered no consequences).
Anyway, my experience with corporal punishment experienced from parents, witnessed at school from teachers, and experienced at school from older boys (a staple of boarding school) has been to laugh at people who threaten violence. I know what physical punishment feels like and I don't care. A kick or a lash or a slap heals over - if it's the best authority can impose then I guess I'm above authority.
Total and utter looney left crap, but you keep believing it
Provide evidence in the form of research results which demonstrate that corporal punishment is effective. In order to do this, you need to show (i) that it provides better outcome than other less severe methods, e.g. a timeout; (ii) that it has a long-term positive effect rather than just stopping immediate behaviour.
I recall one kid who was hit when he misbehaved. When he was hit, IIRC, he'd deliberately shit his pants to annoy the teacher. This slap in the face of teacher's almighty authority[tm] in full view of the whole class was enough to stop the class taking the teacher's authority seriously. It's hard to respect someone three times your size who is outwitted and out-willed by a kid under the age of 10.
Of course, eventually she learnt her lesson and stopped hitting the kid. It turns out that not rising to a challenge and sometimes simply sending the kid out of the room to be alone without an audience can work rather well.
Punishment in general (do not confuse this with reward-based incentive nor removal for the protection of others) does not work for producing a free society, let alone corporal punishment. No research has /ever/ been published to the contrary. Corporal punishment is pure sadism.