Why is it that slashdotters seem to ignore the fact that Mac OS X server has been out for some time now, and it's quite possible to buy Macs off the shelf with it preinstalled? I think that the G4 servers running Mac OS X server would be very nice for this job. A great combination of a good operating system and top notch hardware.
The prices shown on this page are not the edu prices, either.
I'll say one thing, Netscape has really gone down the tubes. The Mac version of 4.7 has serious bugs in it that were known two years ago, and have not been fixed. Mostly Netscape seems to be fixated on adding AIM and Shopping buttons and sending you too Netscape Center. Mac users by nature are anti-Microsoft, but the fact of the matter is that IE is continuing to gain share on the Mac.
This is really important to note because Microsoft doesn't have the same stranglehold on which browser gets installed on the Mac like they do on the PC. Damnit I hate MS and IE, but the fact is that Netscape has really fallen behind technically. I hope Mozilla really does turn into a good competitor to IE. It's crucial in the long run for Linux to be a good desktop machine.
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you dumb shit. Mac OS is dead not the other way around. MacOS 9 is the last MacOS that apple is going to ship. MacOS X is now totally unix
Clueless idiot. Have you seen any of the developer releases for Mac OS X? Let me tell you, the UI is essentially identical to Mac OS 9. In fact Mac OS 9 has the ability to run Carbon apps using the same UI that Mac OS X runs.
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I wish I knew the answer to this. Apple has been taking a lot of heat in the Mac press for the UI on this product.
Dammit, a roadmap is a document put out for marketing purposes only. The product delivered some time in the future usually has little or nothing to do with the roadmap. Remember how Cairo was going to be this big open object soup? .
Don't fall into the trap of playing on their turf. Linux needs goals for technical reasons, like Merced support, better SMP, Journaling. But it also is Open Source which means that you CAN'T roadmap it. People are morphing it all the time into amazing applications like TiVo. Each time this happens it adds to Linux 'stone soup' in a new and unpredictable way. YOU CANNOT PROGRAM OR PREDICT CREATIVITY. It just can't be done.
Microsoft FUD is FUD, and that's it. Not worth the photons needed to carry the image to your eyeballs.
Cringley really blew this one. Jane's is not news, it is reference material. Unlike news, which speed of dissemination is paramount Jane's is supposed to be more scholarly. If you don't do some research you are in big trouble.
Can you imaging someone, who has Never used a computer before, try using Linux??
People forget what it was like to use a computer in the old days. KSR 33's. Cleaning the oil off the high speed tape reader left by previous nitwit user. Keying in bootstrap loaders from switch register. Clearing jammed punch cards from reader and retyping same. IBM JCL.
I think anyone not stuck with a subnormal IQ can learn how to use any modern computer.
This is a good point. I have worked in some industries other than IT that have equipment performance guarantees. These are usually worthless for a number of reasons - if you don't acheive the guarantee rate there is usually some out or extenuating circumstance that the vendor can find to let him off the hook. The remedy in the guarantee is irrelevent compared to the cost of the actaul outage. The performance level in the guarantees you can get is nowhere near what need to be competitive. So as far as I am concerned what is really important is actual real world performance in my application, and you can only determine this by conducting your own tests - i.e. being your own validation engineer. Probably the IT industry is too young to appreciate this in depth, but with incidents like the eBay problems and the costs thereof it is going to become more obvious.
It seems to me that Linux advocates should take this as a great compliment - MS Marketdroids sweating over a free OS that wasn't even a blip on the radar a year or two ago. With the pace of development that is going on, what will it be like 2 years from now? Mature GIUs, several office suites, better SMP, 64 bit CPU support (something lacking in Windows AFAIK).
Now what is needed is a series of articles that debunk the various issues on this page, like the 128M swap partition limit, the 2 GB file limit (isn't this gone under 64 bit CPUs?), a list of industry benchmarks where Linux was shown to outperform Windows, a realistic assesment of support costs including showing the differences between RedHat and MS per instance support, the issue of remote administration, the FUD about having to relink the kernal to add features, and so on.
Coupled with this should be a list of Linux advantages over Win - the high quality free software certainly does drive TCO down in many applications (this is what attracted me to Linux in the first place).
All of this has to be nailed down tight.
And then post it on Linux.com for everyone to see.
Europe/Asia/etc. would love to have had Microsoft as a homegrown company arising from someone's garage
Uh... several European nations are already conducting their own investigations into Microsoft's practices. As far as Asia goes, are you familiar with the Chaebols in Korea, and their impact on the Korean working class? Or the problems with the Japaese Bureaucracy and the kieretsu?
how must a monopoly in software be proven? And how can its misuse be proven?
These are specific legal questions. DOes Microsoft have > 90% of the market, and are they using this monopoly power to compete unfairly, that is are they using this monopoly to gain market share in other areas? It isn't illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to use that monopoly to extend control into other areas.
but you'll only hurt the industry - the same way the DOJ's interference in IBM's
I think that it is an open question as to whether this will hurt or help the market. The breakup of AT&T probably helped the consumer. Nobody has claimed that the breakup of JP Morgan's oil empire hurt industry, either.
Do you have anything to back up your assertion that the Antitrust finding against IBM hurt the mainframe market?
In my opinion it is an open question as to whether Microsoft's market power is hurting software innovation.
Personally I don't think a breakup makes sense. What I think is going to happen is that the DOJ will place certain restrictions on Microsoft - no undocumented API's, publish the source code for Windoze, can't add certain types of features to the OS, can't give away software for free, etc.
You may think MS is truly bad and evil, but the reality is they are just like any other company.
I think that Microsoft is in fact not like any other company. Look at their margins - no other company has profits and margins like these, and this level of profitability is evidence that their monopoly position is hurting consumers by keeping prices much higher than they would be without a monopoly. To me this is bad.
As far as your other assertions of monopoly, many don't hold water - Palm has only a 60% market share, with legions of competitors, including lots of Windows CE machines.
Oracle's midrange competition includes DB2, Informix, MS SQL and others. Their market share is only 55% on UNIX. Not even close to a monopoly.
As far as DB2 on 390's - perhaps that qualifies as a monopoly, but it's hard to say that IBM is using this monopoly to compete unfairly in other areas. You don't see IBM introducing products like SAP/R3 tightly tied or as free add-ons to DB2 for example - and this is what people are complaining about with Microsoft.
Give me a break. When you sell millions of machines per year you are always going to get a few that slip into the cracks. Comprehensive surveys like JD Power always rate Apple service and support very highly.
As far as speed goes, how the hell can you make a statement like that? The results are so dependent on what application is used that the only thing you can say for sure is that if you want to run MS Office, stick with Windows (big surprise).
The home PC's on the market with heat problems are x86's with big power consumption and CPU fans. Such things don't exist in the Mac world unless you are messing with overclocking. PPC cpus are just much more power efficient. It's a big deal, ESPECIALLY on portables where the PPC architecture has it all over the x86.
As far as the floppy drives are concerned - the market has spoken - Apple is selling millions of iMacs without floppy drives.
I don't know about this deranged chemist thing. With all these monocultures in agriculture it wouldn't take that much to put together a pretty nasty attack on the food supply.
Debating people instead of ideas smacks of ad hominem
How can you identify a point of view unless you can figure out if a message is attributable to a specific poster?
and counting a pseudonym as "the courage to post under a name" is absurd
Nonsense. Read what I said. Courage to post under a name means exactly what is says. I didn't say YOUR name, I said A name. A name includes a vast universe of possibilities.
Nobody is harrassing or persecuting anyone for unpopular expression (except Mayor Guliani). I don't care if he posts his own name, a pseudonym, or whatever. It is simply a matter identification of an individual for the purpose of carrying comprehensive debate, something impossible with AC system because you cannot determine one voice from another. You cannot carry on a debate this way.
So are you saying that Huckleberry Finn should be excluded from public libraries? That the Kansas board of Ed was right to drop evolution because of voter demand? I don't think the value of Huckelberry Finn as a work of literature is open to debate, yet in some places it's place in public libraries has been challenged. And the Kansas Board of Ed is not an isolated case, just the most recent.
The founders of this nation included the Bill or Rights to limit the power of government. This is necessary because populist opinions will often trample individual rights. Elected officials follow the mob. Gulliani's behaviour is a perfect example of this. Your position challenges these limits on goverment power in a VERY dangerous way.
Where does this lead? Do you think that the internment of US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII was right? Do you think that the segregation laws in the south up to the early 60's were right? Certainy these were cases of goverment following popular opinion.
I have been out of college for 25 years. Just because I work for a living doesn't mean I have lost my ideals. In fact, my maturity and better understanding of history that I have gained over time and the travel to other countries I have done has led me to realize to a far greater extent the importance of these ideals than when I was in college.
I really feel sorry for people like you. Everything boils down to the almighty buck, and if there is something you don't like the first thing out of your mouth is profanity and a desire to supress it. Your ideas are so inimical to the precepts on which this country was founded that it is scary. And you don't even have the courage to post under a name.
Thank God most New Yorkers have chosen to disagree with you. Polls conducted in NYC show that even amoung Catholics, the Mayor has a support level of only about 30%.
Do these things have any sort of expansion slots for a network card? It seems to me that a PC like this would be a lot better sharing an internet connection rather than requiring it's own ISP and maybe phone line.
What I want to know is what monsters are going to re-appear after this latest Japanese radiation leak. Mothra? Godzilla? Gamera? Ghidorah? Gyaos? Rhodan?
When that happens we can clone something REALLY impressive.
I agree that there is no right to subsidy of free speech. You do not have a right to go to the government and demand that they fund your radio station. That is not the issue here. The issue is that once the government starts funding something this they do not have the right to determine who gets funding based on the content of the message so long as it is protected speech under the First Amendment. If you were to allow this you would estabilsh the rule that if you receive government funding you give up your First Amendment rights. Given that we have many important public institutions that receive government funding one way or another, there is a real danger that the application of this sort of doctrine would corrupt the First Amendment.
This sort of thing has already been ruled to be unconstitutional in numerous cases, and I am sure that the lawsuit being brought by the Boroklyn Museum will bear this principle out.
Well, if you go back 30 years I feel pretty safe to say that we had a lot more of a Police state than we do now. These were the days of the FBI keeping dossiers on anyone who went to an eastern college, Police Riots in Chicago, the Nixon enemies list and so on.
Since then I think that things really haven't changed much, either way, except maybe the fall of the USSR has cut the legs out of a lot of military and covert operations. The CIA is a mere shell of what it used to be.
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Why is it that slashdotters seem to ignore the fact that Mac OS X server has been out for some time now, and it's quite possible to buy Macs off the shelf with it preinstalled? I think that the G4 servers running Mac OS X server would be very nice for this job. A great combination of a good operating system and top notch hardware.
The prices shown on this page are not the edu prices, either.
I'll say one thing, Netscape has really gone down the tubes. The Mac version of 4.7 has serious bugs in it that were known two years ago, and have not been fixed. Mostly Netscape seems to be fixated on adding AIM and Shopping buttons and sending you too Netscape Center. Mac users by nature are anti-Microsoft, but the fact of the matter is that IE is continuing to gain share on the Mac.
This is really important to note because Microsoft doesn't have the same stranglehold on which browser gets installed on the Mac like they do on the PC. Damnit I hate MS and IE, but the fact is that Netscape has really fallen behind technically. I hope Mozilla really does turn into a good competitor to IE. It's crucial in the long run for Linux to be a good desktop machine.
you dumb shit. Mac OS is dead not the other way around. MacOS 9 is the last MacOS that apple is going to ship. MacOS X is now totally unix
Clueless idiot. Have you seen any of the developer releases for Mac OS X? Let me tell you, the UI is essentially identical to Mac OS 9. In fact Mac OS 9 has the ability to run Carbon apps using the same UI that Mac OS X runs.
I wish I knew the answer to this. Apple has been taking a lot of heat in the Mac press for the UI on this product.
Dammit, a roadmap is a document put out for marketing purposes only. The product delivered some time in the future usually has little or nothing to do with the roadmap. Remember how Cairo was going to be this big open object soup? .
Don't fall into the trap of playing on their turf. Linux needs goals for technical reasons, like Merced support, better SMP, Journaling. But it also is Open Source which means that you CAN'T roadmap it. People are morphing it all the time into amazing applications like TiVo. Each time this happens it adds to Linux 'stone soup' in a new and unpredictable way. YOU CANNOT PROGRAM OR PREDICT CREATIVITY. It just can't be done.
Microsoft FUD is FUD, and that's it. Not worth the photons needed to carry the image to your eyeballs.
Cringley really blew this one. Jane's is not news, it is reference material. Unlike news, which speed of dissemination is paramount Jane's is supposed to be more scholarly. If you don't do some research you are in big trouble.
Can you imaging someone, who has Never used a computer before, try using Linux??
People forget what it was like to use a computer in the old days. KSR 33's. Cleaning the oil off the high speed tape reader left by previous nitwit user. Keying in bootstrap loaders from switch register. Clearing jammed punch cards from reader and retyping same. IBM JCL.
I think anyone not stuck with a subnormal IQ can learn how to use any modern computer.
This is a good point. I have worked in some industries other than IT that have equipment performance guarantees. These are usually worthless for a number of reasons - if you don't acheive the guarantee rate there is usually some out or extenuating circumstance that the vendor can find to let him off the hook. The remedy in the guarantee is irrelevent compared to the cost of the actaul outage. The performance level in the guarantees you can get is nowhere near what need to be competitive. So as far as I am concerned what is really important is actual real world performance in my application, and you can only determine this by conducting your own tests - i.e. being your own validation engineer. Probably the IT industry is too young to appreciate this in depth, but with incidents like the eBay problems and the costs thereof it is going to become more obvious.
It seems to me that Linux advocates should take this as a great compliment - MS Marketdroids sweating over a free OS that wasn't even a blip on the radar a year or two ago. With the pace of development that is going on, what will it be like 2 years from now? Mature GIUs, several office suites, better SMP, 64 bit CPU support (something lacking in Windows AFAIK).
Now what is needed is a series of articles that debunk the various issues on this page, like the 128M swap partition limit, the 2 GB file limit (isn't this gone under 64 bit CPUs?), a list of industry benchmarks where Linux was shown to outperform Windows, a realistic assesment of support costs including showing the differences between RedHat and MS per instance support, the issue of remote administration, the FUD about having to relink the kernal to add features, and so on.
Coupled with this should be a list of Linux advantages over Win - the high quality free software certainly does drive TCO down in many applications (this is what attracted me to Linux in the first place).
All of this has to be nailed down tight.
And then post it on Linux.com for everyone to see.
GMAFB. Wordprocessors dack in the CPM days were highlighting spelling errors.
Europe/Asia/etc. would love to have had Microsoft as a homegrown company arising from someone's garage
Uh... several European nations are already conducting their own investigations into Microsoft's practices. As far as Asia goes, are you familiar with the Chaebols in Korea, and their impact on the Korean working class? Or the problems with the Japaese Bureaucracy and the kieretsu?
how must a monopoly in software be proven? And how can its misuse be proven?
These are specific legal questions. DOes Microsoft have > 90% of the market, and are they using this monopoly power to compete unfairly, that is are they using this monopoly to gain market share in other areas? It isn't illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to use that monopoly to extend control into other areas.
but you'll only hurt the industry - the same way the DOJ's interference in IBM's
I think that it is an open question as to whether this will hurt or help the market. The breakup of AT&T probably helped the consumer. Nobody has claimed that the breakup of JP Morgan's oil empire hurt industry, either.
Do you have anything to back up your assertion that the Antitrust finding against IBM hurt the mainframe market?
In my opinion it is an open question as to whether Microsoft's market power is hurting software innovation.
Personally I don't think a breakup makes sense. What I think is going to happen is that the DOJ will place certain restrictions on Microsoft - no undocumented API's, publish the source code for Windoze, can't add certain types of features to
the OS, can't give away software for free, etc.
You may think MS is truly bad and evil, but the reality is they are just like any other company.
I think that Microsoft is in fact not like any other company. Look at their margins - no other company has profits and margins like these, and this level of profitability is evidence that their monopoly position is hurting consumers by keeping prices much higher than they would be without a monopoly. To me this is bad.
As far as your other assertions of monopoly, many don't hold water - Palm has only a 60% market share, with legions of competitors, including lots of Windows CE machines.
Oracle's midrange competition includes DB2, Informix, MS SQL and others. Their market share is only 55% on UNIX. Not even close to a monopoly.
As far as DB2 on 390's - perhaps that qualifies as a monopoly, but it's hard to say that IBM is using this monopoly to compete unfairly in other areas. You don't see IBM introducing products like SAP/R3 tightly tied or as free add-ons to DB2 for example - and this is what people are complaining about with Microsoft.
Give me a break. When you sell millions of machines per year you are always going to get a few that slip into the cracks. Comprehensive surveys like JD Power always rate Apple service and support very highly.
As far as speed goes, how the hell can you make a statement like that? The results are so dependent on what application is used that the only thing you can say for sure is that if you want to run MS Office, stick with Windows (big surprise).
If it weren't for the first post b.s. I would have moderated you up for being funny.
The home PC's on the market with heat problems are x86's with big power consumption and CPU fans. Such things don't exist in the Mac world unless you are messing with overclocking. PPC cpus are just much more power efficient. It's a big deal, ESPECIALLY on portables where the PPC architecture has it all over the x86.
As far as the floppy drives are concerned - the market has spoken - Apple is selling millions of iMacs without floppy drives.
I don't know about this deranged chemist thing. With all these monocultures in agriculture it wouldn't take that much to put together a pretty nasty attack on the food supply.
Taking out a power grid is much less impressive.
Debating people instead of ideas smacks of ad hominem
How can you identify a point of view unless you can figure out if a message is attributable to a specific poster?
and counting a pseudonym as "the courage to post under a name" is absurd
Nonsense. Read what I said. Courage to post under a name means exactly what is says. I didn't say YOUR name, I said A name. A name includes a vast universe of possibilities.
Nobody is harrassing or persecuting anyone for unpopular expression (except Mayor Guliani). I don't care if he posts his own name, a pseudonym, or whatever. It is simply a matter identification of an individual for the purpose of carrying comprehensive debate, something impossible with AC system because you cannot determine one voice from another. You cannot carry on a debate this way.
So are you saying that Huckleberry Finn should be excluded from public libraries? That the Kansas board of Ed was right to drop evolution because of voter demand? I don't think the value of Huckelberry Finn as a work of literature is open to debate, yet in some places it's place in public libraries has been challenged. And the Kansas Board of Ed is not an isolated case, just the most recent.
The founders of this nation included the Bill or Rights to limit the power of government. This is necessary because populist opinions will often trample individual rights. Elected officials follow the mob. Gulliani's behaviour is a perfect example of this. Your position challenges these limits on goverment power in a VERY dangerous way.
Where does this lead? Do you think that the internment of US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII was right? Do you think that the segregation laws in the south up to the early 60's were right? Certainy these were cases of goverment following popular opinion.
I have been out of college for 25 years. Just because I work for a living doesn't mean I have lost my ideals. In fact, my maturity and better understanding of history that I have gained over time and the travel to other countries I have done has led me to realize to a far greater extent the importance of these ideals than when I was in college.
I really feel sorry for people like you. Everything boils down to the almighty buck, and if there is something you don't like the first thing out of your mouth is profanity and a desire to supress it. Your ideas are so inimical to the precepts on which this country was founded that it is scary. And you don't even have the courage to post under a name.
Thank God most New Yorkers have chosen to disagree with you. Polls conducted in NYC show that even amoung Catholics, the Mayor has a support level of only about 30%.
Do these things have any sort of expansion slots for a network card? It seems to me that a PC like this would be a lot better sharing an internet connection rather than requiring it's own ISP and maybe phone line.
What I want to know is what monsters are going to re-appear after this latest Japanese radiation leak. Mothra? Godzilla? Gamera? Ghidorah? Gyaos? Rhodan?
When that happens we can clone something REALLY impressive.
I agree that there is no right to subsidy of free speech. You do not have a right to go to the government and demand that they fund your radio station. That is not the issue here. The issue is that once the government starts funding something this they do not have the right to determine who gets funding based on the content of the message so long as it is protected speech under the First Amendment. If you were to allow this you would estabilsh the rule that if you receive government funding you give up your First Amendment rights. Given that we have many important public institutions that receive government funding one way or another, there is a real danger that the application of this sort of doctrine would corrupt the First Amendment.
This sort of thing has already been ruled to be unconstitutional in numerous cases, and I am sure that the lawsuit being brought by the Boroklyn Museum will bear this principle out.
Well, if you go back 30 years I feel pretty safe to say that we had a lot more of a Police state than we do now. These were the days of the FBI keeping dossiers on anyone who went to an eastern college, Police Riots in Chicago, the Nixon enemies list and so on.
Since then I think that things really haven't changed much, either way, except maybe the fall of the USSR has cut the legs out of a lot of military and covert operations. The CIA is a mere shell of what it used to be.
Half of Congress or more sponsored the SAFE Bill. It is not much of a distinction.