GNUStep's reliance upon unmanaged Objective C means it has a long way to go, whereas GNOME is beginning to integrate Mono, and both GNOME and KDE are integrating Python.
Funny you should say that... GNOME's increasing use of Mono is why I'm considering switching back to KDE. Right now it's possible to rip Mono out of Ubuntu and have it still work, but I'm not sure for how much longer that will be the case.
Anyhow, OpenStep/GNUStep was way ahead of GNOME a while back. The only reason it's behind now is that, as I say, Linux users aren't interested in a Mac OS X compatible desktop environment, for whatever reason, so all the attention goes to KDE and GNOME.
Look, Apple used to offer upgrade pricing for OS X and Classic Mac OS. As in, a cheaper price for people who already had a copy, or who had bought their copy recently.
You might as well argue that every copy of iWork is upgrade priced, because everyone has some kind of Apple word processor on their Mac. Or that every copy of Logic is upgrade priced, because everyone has some Apple music software on their Mac. I really don't think you're convincing anyone.
My complaint is that Apple's OS isn't available with upgrade pricing. Saying that it's cheaper than something completely different is not a sensible argument, and doesn't alter the fact that it's no longer available with upgrade pricing.
iWork isn't available with upgrade pricing. Yes, it's cheaper than Quark XPress, but that doesn't alter the fact that it's not available with upgrade pricing.
I use the browser constantly, I just try to keep the number of tabs under control.
(Now: 262MB, 5 tabs.)
Nothing seems reasonable to me these days. People just don't seem to care about bloat, or about documentation, or about commented code. Bring on the woodpeckers.
Yeah, Gentoo hosed me a couple of times, and I decided it was time to move on.
There's a big reason not to use Gentoo that I think a lot of people miss: it's extremely difficult to uninstall anything from a Gentoo system. If you like to try out software and keep what's good, this can be an issue.
I tried following that method. Unfortunately the partitioner in Edgy has a bug that makes it say "no root partition" and refuse to let you proceed.
Turned out there was a workaround--I had to delete a couple of partitions using parted and then allow the Edgy installer to create them again and automatically set one as root. It seems that manually telling it which partition to use as root doesn't work at least part of the time.
So yes, there are issues with Edgy. Real issues, not self-inflicted breakage.
Here's a newsflash. Crappy unsupported third party drivers often break between point releases of OSs. All OSs.
I've had drivers break going from Mac OS X 10.3.1 to 10.3.2. I've had them break going between XP service packs.
Linux does not have any kind of magical ability to fix broken drivers that the packaging system knows nothing about. Blame the people who wrote the drivers, they're the ones who are retarded beyond belief.
You're just playing the redefinition game. You could argue the same way that all Apple software is upgrade priced, since you must have Apple software to run it.
However, most people understand that "upgrade price" means there's another price, the full price, and the upgrade price is less than the full price.
One of the side effects of Apple charging full price for upgrades is that I time my hardware purchases to coincide with OS releases. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and it can't be very healthy for them.
I decided to do a statistical analysis of my music collection. My statistics dispute the idea that music got lost in the 1990s. For me at least, it was all up until 1994 and hasn't dropped much since then.
In Apple's case however, since the retail versions of OS X are often marketed as upgrades, it should be pretty clear that it's not for generic x86 PCs.
If they want me to treat it as an upgrade, they should offer upgrade pricing.
they could release Tiger 10.4 for generic x86 machines for a very low price (say $50).
If you think Apple's margin on a computer is $50, you really need to think harder.
In reality, it's comfortably over 25%. So they'd need to price OS X at $300 or more just to make up for the money they were no longer making selling people a $1500 or more computer.
But it's worse than that. If they sold OS X for generic PCs, they'd have to support OS X on generic PCs, including all the shoddy PC hardware out there. They'd need to spend more on support, more on drivers, more on testing, and so on. There's a reason why Microsoft is so late shipping Vista, it's not just because of bad project management and poor decisions.
So realistically, they'd have to bump the price of OS X up to $400-500. And at that price, nobody would buy it.
Yes, if 50% of the PC market ran OS X, they could sell it for $50 and maintain today's profit levels. The problem is that there's no way to get to there from here without going through bankruptcy.
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Funny you should say that... GNOME's increasing use of Mono is why I'm considering switching back to KDE. Right now it's possible to rip Mono out of Ubuntu and have it still work, but I'm not sure for how much longer that will be the case.
Anyhow, OpenStep/GNUStep was way ahead of GNOME a while back. The only reason it's behind now is that, as I say, Linux users aren't interested in a Mac OS X compatible desktop environment, for whatever reason, so all the attention goes to KDE and GNOME.
Not to mention "We don't torture".
Like the US government? Enron, Diebold, secret energy council meetings?
No doubt not helped by the fact that the US owes it millions of dollars. And isn't the US running the largest spending deficit in world history?
Like the US government during Katrina, you mean?
Sorry, the UN is worse than the US how, exactly?
Thank goodness Vista will lock out third-party firewall software, and prevent these kinds of problems.
Oh, wait...
The open source OS X exists; it's called GNUStep.
Unfortunately, the Linux community as a whole isn't interested in it. Both KDE and GNOME are more popular.
Look, Apple used to offer upgrade pricing for OS X and Classic Mac OS. As in, a cheaper price for people who already had a copy, or who had bought their copy recently.
You might as well argue that every copy of iWork is upgrade priced, because everyone has some kind of Apple word processor on their Mac. Or that every copy of Logic is upgrade priced, because everyone has some Apple music software on their Mac. I really don't think you're convincing anyone.
My complaint is that Apple's OS isn't available with upgrade pricing. Saying that it's cheaper than something completely different is not a sensible argument, and doesn't alter the fact that it's no longer available with upgrade pricing.
iWork isn't available with upgrade pricing. Yes, it's cheaper than Quark XPress, but that doesn't alter the fact that it's not available with upgrade pricing.
What's wrong with emerge -C is you need to follow it with
# emerge --update --deep --newuse world
# emerge --depclean
# revdep-rebuild
and revdep-rebuild didn't exist when I was using Gentoo (or if it did, it wasn't mentioned in the documentation I saw.)
I use the browser constantly, I just try to keep the number of tabs under control.
(Now: 262MB, 5 tabs.)
Nothing seems reasonable to me these days. People just don't seem to care about bloat, or about documentation, or about commented code. Bring on the woodpeckers.
I tried switching the partition to ext3 and it didn't seem to help. However, letting gparted create a reiserfs partition worked fine.
Reading the SourceForge announcement, they want someone who's prepared to either live in Fremont, California, or do lots of traveling.
Well, air travel is a nightmare these days, and living in Fremont is unaffordable. So I wouldn't even bother to glance at the actual job.
Horses for courses. I have a 3G and a 4G iPod, and I vastly prefer the virtual wheel and separate control buttons of the 3G iPod.
271MB here. 4 tabs open. Running for 26 hours.
Yeah, Gentoo hosed me a couple of times, and I decided it was time to move on.
There's a big reason not to use Gentoo that I think a lot of people miss: it's extremely difficult to uninstall anything from a Gentoo system. If you like to try out software and keep what's good, this can be an issue.
I tried following that method. Unfortunately the partitioner in Edgy has a bug that makes it say "no root partition" and refuse to let you proceed.
Turned out there was a workaround--I had to delete a couple of partitions using parted and then allow the Edgy installer to create them again and automatically set one as root. It seems that manually telling it which partition to use as root doesn't work at least part of the time.
So yes, there are issues with Edgy. Real issues, not self-inflicted breakage.
Here's a newsflash. Crappy unsupported third party drivers often break between point releases of OSs. All OSs.
I've had drivers break going from Mac OS X 10.3.1 to 10.3.2. I've had them break going between XP service packs.
Linux does not have any kind of magical ability to fix broken drivers that the packaging system knows nothing about. Blame the people who wrote the drivers, they're the ones who are retarded beyond belief.
You're just playing the redefinition game. You could argue the same way that all Apple software is upgrade priced, since you must have Apple software to run it.
However, most people understand that "upgrade price" means there's another price, the full price, and the upgrade price is less than the full price.
Yeah, I have an 800MHz Mac I'm still using.
One of the side effects of Apple charging full price for upgrades is that I time my hardware purchases to coincide with OS releases. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and it can't be very healthy for them.
Wrong. You generally install OS X alongside OS 9.
Tell that to the government.
OS X is the same price for a computer that doesn't have a copy of OS X. Like an old Mac running OS 9.
I decided to do a statistical analysis of my music collection. My statistics dispute the idea that music got lost in the 1990s. For me at least, it was all up until 1994 and hasn't dropped much since then.
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XP Pro full from Best Buy: $269.99.
OS X Tiger full from Apple.com: $129.00.
Upgrade pricing discount from Microsoft: 35%.
Upgrade pricing discount from Apple: 0%.
I have enough of a CD storage problem that if I decide there are CDs I never listen to, I sell them. I've only sold 10 or 20 over the years though.
If they want me to treat it as an upgrade, they should offer upgrade pricing.
If you think Apple's margin on a computer is $50, you really need to think harder.
In reality, it's comfortably over 25%. So they'd need to price OS X at $300 or more just to make up for the money they were no longer making selling people a $1500 or more computer.
But it's worse than that. If they sold OS X for generic PCs, they'd have to support OS X on generic PCs, including all the shoddy PC hardware out there. They'd need to spend more on support, more on drivers, more on testing, and so on. There's a reason why Microsoft is so late shipping Vista, it's not just because of bad project management and poor decisions.
So realistically, they'd have to bump the price of OS X up to $400-500. And at that price, nobody would buy it.
Yes, if 50% of the PC market ran OS X, they could sell it for $50 and maintain today's profit levels. The problem is that there's no way to get to there from here without going through bankruptcy.