We agree that Apple power cords, lightning/dock/usb cables and headphone cables eventually have the white plastic/rubber sheath flake.. I've moved on to cables with braided exteriors when possible and for some things like dongle cables, a shrink-wrap overload is fine but the magsafes, ah, theres the rub...
That said, all my magsafes are still functional. I have 3 anyway so I can leave one home, one at work and take one with me (and can use the home/work one if I forget my normal one at a client's site). The home magsafe rubber sheath is frayed and uses some sugru + some coloured rubber network cable sleeves to reinforce at both ends.
Now that Apple looks to be moving to USB-C for all future MacBooks, they'll be leaving the magsafe sheath issues behind. If the Apple USB-C cable isn't good enough, just get one that is. I'll regret the magsafe connecter but there's a (less elegant) magnetic cable solution for USB-C.
Never had a 2011 MBP so admittedly ignorant on thunderbolt ports on it. I'd thought that thunderbolt came in with the rMBP.
Ahhhh, _intelligent_ criticism! It's almost as if it's 2007 on slashdot again...
Re: Apple absent at the high end: No argument. Some are still holding their breath waiting for Tim Cook's promises of a new modular mac but most have died of asphyxia.
My first Mac was a Mac II (the first modular mac) running A/UX. I kept it as our main computer for over a decade but eventually moved to PC's when I needed windows for work compatibility. When VMWare became sufficiently mature (& Vista induced projectile vomiting made Windows unpalatable) after bad experiences with HP, Dell & Lenovo hardware, I moved back to Apple's superior build quality.
None of my macs are seeing the issues you are with spotlight or powerd but not saying you aren't.
Why not shut spotlight down or limit it through settings>Spotlight>Search results/Privacy? If it's _that_ bad it's what I'd do. You _have_ attempted to see if a clean install (with no apps/files copied over) has the same issues? Further tests by manually adding in your files and then apps gradually? Are you sufficiently technical to use dtrace? Have you attempted to reset the SMC? Some weird problems can be SMC related.
I've never rebooted my Macs except for electrical work, updates (and a couple rare SMC issues) & don't see the most recent OS's as being less good than the tabby series. I work in IT security & have professional grade firewalls protecting my nets so staying updated is important to me. Given how you are seeing strange issues I begin to wonder if you might have a problem with stowaways.
I'd prefer it if the haters would intelligently promote their platforms. Unfortunately, too too many just keep repeating the same stupid debunked lies.
Yeah sure. but you'd never actually _test_ it without the 3rd party extension as that would prove that they were right & you were an idiot. Much better for your ego to hide behind "they wuz wrong"...
Yeah verily, Apple has sucked sooo bad _every_ year since the 90's you're whining about that it turned them from nearly bankrupt into the 900 billion dollar company they are today.
The thing is, one can only judge who you are on the Internet from what you post & not what you claim to own.
Instead of going to Ars, reading for yourself the difference in tone/content and judging for yourself, you say "if you say so" and list a bunch of apple gear (which changes nothing).
I will climb down off of labelling you a hater though, If what you've revealed is true, you're an Apple malcontent still pissed that Apple discontinued your favorite 17" MBP. Nothing Apple has done since (& I'm not for _every_ change) can counterbalance the disappointment that they didn't judge that your preferred platform format was worth pursuing.
I could have been who you you claim to be as I almost bought a 17" but when Apple didn't refresh it & came out with the 15" rMBP instead, I bought that & still use it every day. Harder on my ageing eyes & needs dongles, but then I got glasses and found that the lighter weight & having 2 true Gb ethernet ports was very useful (still have every dongle I bought though one or two have shrink tube thermoplastic I added to protect the flaking cords).
Oh stop with the laughably transparent straw men will you? "Apple used to be perfect", "Apple presents themselves as flawless", "Ever since Jobs died Apple has lost it's way", etc. You're not fooling anyone with the fake arguments.
There have _always_ been issues with iPhone software, from the first iPhone to every single release since then. No native apps. No flash. Not all apps are retina. The new taller screen format isn't supported by all apps. It doesn't sync with my work exchange server.
Jobs as the perfect Apple CEO? You clearly don't remember the Apple Cube...
Walk up to 100, 1000 or even 10000 iPhone owners and ask them if "Not neatly aligning the heading with the search bar" == "Buggy as hell". I doubt any will care.
Walk up to the slashdot android zealots searching for reasons to justify their choice of platform and _there_ you'll find those who _pretend_ to care.
Again, when Apple gets criticised for faults on Ars, yes there's an issue but when Apple gets blasted on slashdot, it's usually just haters hating.
Or, you know, one could use the modding of people who comment on stories that paint Apple badly on slashdot compared to other site like Ars Technica as a proxy.
There aren't enough OCD perfectionists in the world to make up enough people claiming "Not neatly aligning the heading with the search bar" == "Buggy as hell". However the ranks of Android zealots here that see Everest behind every molehill...
On Slashdot, people who point out legitimate inconsistencies in stories like the "FaceTime already HACKED" story from earlier this week were downmodded into oblivion. and the people saying "This is why I'll never buy APPLE TRASH" were upmodded.
On Ars, people asking "if this is a legitimate hack, and not someone who trained FaceTime using the device password to recognise the 3D print, why don't they say so" were upmodded.
Wait a few days and it is clear that the claims of FaceTime being hacked were by people having the password. Ars doesn't lack stories calling out Apple for problems (Where is the Mac Mini renew. Why is the New MBP & iPhone X so expensive, etc), but they have avoided becoming the abode of trolls like Opportunist who get upmodded here for merely stating "I Hate Apple".
There really is only one conclusion that can be drawn and it doesn't put slashdot in a good light.
Beyond my personal disdain of people obsessing on minor details to make mountains out of molehills, were Ars to come out with a similar story where enough people were upset with the details to comment and mod the complaints up, I'd believe that there was a problem. Right now it's just the usual slashdot haters doing their thing.
The "bugs" are almost all sufficiently minor to not bother people without OCD issues.
From a brand that used to pride itself on impeccable visual design, that's actually quite sad. From Microsoft, or even most Android manufacturers, it wouldn't be such a big deal, because that level of visual perfection was never their thing and they never attracted those OCD users in the first place like Apple did.
Apple spent years cultivating the following of these people, now they're seeing what happens when you trigger them.
There's no way to be certain but if there were, I'd wager everything I could that almost all the "claimed OCD iOS users" are instead apple haters flocking to another molehill in attempts to build another fake mountain.
It's fast, but are you seeing problems with it like I am? As an example here on slashdot's Interactive Discussion system (D2), with FF57 I can no longer click on low modded article headers to expand them.
I have a similar problem on Ars Technica forums.
I can adapt to all the other new changes but if FF57 breaks essential functions I'll be moving to chrome in short order.
Then don’t renew every year but every 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. iPhones are generally supported by Apple with updates to be OS for more years than android phones are. Besides which, Apple will take back and responsbly recycle old phones when you buy new iPhones at an Apple store.
Yeah,/. has become the abode of Apple haters like Opportunist who make the same lame stupid jokes over and over.
For intelligent discourse i’ve moved on to Ars Technica anyway where the editors intelligently noted that the claimed hack is dubious followed by intelligent discussions on FaceID benefits/drawbacks.
Slashdot, no longer news for nerds, just Apple hater clickbait.
Anyone using a passcode & not a password deserves to get hacked anyway.
I use 1password on Android/IOS/MacOS/Windows because I have thousands of unique passwords (clients). That you think it is a waste of money merely shows that you don't know how to use it.
They appear to have trained the iPhone to recognise the 3D Scan by using the passcode/password to update the model after multiple failures until it finally worked.
How fortunate Android users are to NOT be vulnerable to to exploitation when the bad guys have: - the Phone - A detailed 3D model and print - the passcode/password
That won't work as everyone who has tried to do it already knows.
"Sir, you can't use FaceID if you give your password and your phone and a high resolution 3D print of your face to someone so that they can retrain FaceID to recognise the 3D print over a dozens/hundreds/thousands of failed attempts until it works and uses it to unlock your phone!"
Because having the password/passcode isn't already game over, duh.
FaceID constructs a 3D model of your face which is then updated over time so that gradual changes (facial hair, etc) can be integrated into the model. These updates take place after FaceID successfully recognises your face -- and after unsuccessful face-id challenges followed by the use of the passcode/password.
The claimed hack gives absolutely no information on whether "the hack" was performed using a 3D printed model that had never been shown to the iPhone or whether they trained the iPhone to recognise the 3D model by showing it to the iPhone and repeatedly typing the password after every failure.
If you already have the passcode/password which _always works_, FaceID is already bypassed.
Until more details come out and others reproduce it, I'd take the claim that FaceID has been hacked with a _large_ grain of salt.
That you think that Stealth jets & Helicopters have the same capabilities and missions says it all: Anyone with even a 10 year old girl's understanding of naval aviation would see that I have abundantly & repeatedly answered why the USMC, Royal Navy, etc, need STOVL F35Bs. That you fail to recognize that lives depend on being able to perform effective defensive and offensive operations in todays and tomorrows potential theaters from non-supercarrier ships just underscores how totally clueless you are on the subject.
But then you don't care about the 11 USMC MEU's & RN battlegroups becoming sinking coffins for the tens of thousands of Marines and Sailors that would die should they be needed in any real conflict. You've decided after extensive wargaming with your barbie & ken dolls that the U.S. will only be fighting insurgencies in Iraq/Syria for the next 40 years with cover provided by USN Supercarriers. Go back to choking yourself and your chicken ms clueless.
Ah, Mr clueless believes that because the USMC, the Royal Navy, The Spanish Navy, the Italian Navy etc, are not involved in active warfare _RIGHT_NOW_, that STOVL stealth jets are worthless. Because Mr clueless has never heard Si vis pacem, para bellum and is incapable of understanding it even if he had an education.
Because Mr clueless thinks that 11 carriers are sufficient for all needs and that having stealth jets on the 9 MEUs brings no advantages whatsoever -- because Mr clueless has already stated with all the authority he has (aka none) that "they'll just use helicopters like they do now". Because Mr clueless doesn't believe in self protection of the existing USMC, Royal Navy, etc platforms (thats's ships to you mr clueless, you know those things that float on the water) even though they are in desperate need of having a threat that cannot be trivially shot down with anyone using 50 year old fighter or SAMs. Because Mr Clueless doesn't believe that force projection by STOVL carriers could be useful by themselves or in concert with CTOL carriers.
Mr clueless is sufficiently ignorant to believe that because the USN & USMC are sufficiently redouble _today_ to halt actions by potential adversaries that this will continue to be the case for the next 40 years -- even _without_ leaving the USMC any weapons more potent than helicopters.
Mr clueless believes that threats & conflicts _today_ define the threats of _tomorrow_ -- because he never studied/understood history.
Straight face: Korea, should the rocket man step over the line. The straights of Formosa and the South China Sea should China decide that nothing credible is stopping them from seizing Taiwan or the Philippines. The Persian Gulf for any number of reasons. The Timor Sea should Indonesia's moderates lose to the hard-line Muslims and they decide that NW Australia looks soft and inviting. The eastern Med should Erdogan decide that he needs to focus opinion on foreign threats once his "rescue" of Cypress and a few other islands falters.
Now stop playing that choking game to pleasure yourself and go get an education you twit.
Is counting beyond 10 hard for you unless you take off your shoes? Junior, _you_ have been the clueless one throughout the thread. I merely reposted the question that you never answered after you displayed an astounding level of ignorance by stating "Right, so use a helicopter".
So again, you still don't understand the difference in mission or capabilities between helicopters and STOVL stealth jets do you junior?
I had the wrong take on keyloggers initially as they are explicitly mentioned in TFA & I blind spotted them.
However, you don't need to use a keylogger to get usernames and passwords.
If you are doing web filtering by categories like filtering porn & allowing facebook while blocking Facebook messenger and file uploads in messenger you are by necessity performing SSL decryption on the web filtering platforms. If I wanted your logins/passwords that'd be the place to do it.
Another even easier spot to do it is on secure bastion servers like Balabit Secure Control Box cyberark, etc. These platforms allow secure access to internal hosts while watching _everything_ that you do on it. Since Snowden made it blindingly clear that Sysadmins can see/do everything, access to critical platforms like Firewalls VM Management servers, core routers are increasingly performed through a platform that records everything you type, everything you see onscreen and can be played like a VCR forwards and backwards. I don't imagine anyone is logging on to Facebook through a SCB but password reuse is common and if I am the SCB admin, I could easily find your passwords.
Neither SSL decryption (with exceptions) nor session logging (with exceptions) are "100% Illegal" in Europe as the original poster stated & it doesn't need to be for national security reasons.
The prudishness endemic in American society is not universal. Thankfully, I live in a society that does not tie itself in hypocritical knots because a nipple was shown on TV.
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We agree that Apple power cords, lightning/dock/usb cables and headphone cables eventually have the white plastic/rubber sheath flake.. I've moved on to cables with braided exteriors when possible and for some things like dongle cables, a shrink-wrap overload is fine but the magsafes, ah, theres the rub...
That said, all my magsafes are still functional. I have 3 anyway so I can leave one home, one at work and take one with me (and can use the home/work one if I forget my normal one at a client's site). The home magsafe rubber sheath is frayed and uses some sugru + some coloured rubber network cable sleeves to reinforce at both ends.
Now that Apple looks to be moving to USB-C for all future MacBooks, they'll be leaving the magsafe sheath issues behind. If the Apple USB-C cable isn't good enough, just get one that is. I'll regret the magsafe connecter but there's a (less elegant) magnetic cable solution for USB-C.
Never had a 2011 MBP so admittedly ignorant on thunderbolt ports on it. I'd thought that thunderbolt came in with the rMBP.
Ahhhh, _intelligent_ criticism! It's almost as if it's 2007 on slashdot again...
Re: Apple absent at the high end: No argument. Some are still holding their breath waiting for Tim Cook's promises of a new modular mac but most have died of asphyxia.
My first Mac was a Mac II (the first modular mac) running A/UX. I kept it as our main computer for over a decade but eventually moved to PC's when I needed windows for work compatibility. When VMWare became sufficiently mature (& Vista induced projectile vomiting made Windows unpalatable) after bad experiences with HP, Dell & Lenovo hardware, I moved back to Apple's superior build quality.
None of my macs are seeing the issues you are with spotlight or powerd but not saying you aren't.
Why not shut spotlight down or limit it through settings>Spotlight>Search results/Privacy? If it's _that_ bad it's what I'd do. You _have_ attempted to see if a clean install (with no apps/files copied over) has the same issues? Further tests by manually adding in your files and then apps gradually? Are you sufficiently technical to use dtrace? Have you attempted to reset the SMC? Some weird problems can be SMC related.
I've never rebooted my Macs except for electrical work, updates (and a couple rare SMC issues) & don't see the most recent OS's as being less good than the tabby series. I work in IT security & have professional grade firewalls protecting my nets so staying updated is important to me. Given how you are seeing strange issues I begin to wonder if you might have a problem with stowaways.
I'd prefer it if the haters would intelligently promote their platforms. Unfortunately, too too many just keep repeating the same stupid debunked lies.
Yeah sure. but you'd never actually _test_ it without the 3rd party extension as that would prove that they were right & you were an idiot. Much better for your ego to hide behind "they wuz wrong"...
Yeah verily, Apple has sucked sooo bad _every_ year since the 90's you're whining about that it turned them from nearly bankrupt into the 900 billion dollar company they are today.
Still burns that they were right, huh?
The thing is, one can only judge who you are on the Internet from what you post & not what you claim to own.
Instead of going to Ars, reading for yourself the difference in tone/content and judging for yourself, you say "if you say so" and list a bunch of apple gear (which changes nothing).
I will climb down off of labelling you a hater though, If what you've revealed is true, you're an Apple malcontent still pissed that Apple discontinued your favorite 17" MBP. Nothing Apple has done since (& I'm not for _every_ change) can counterbalance the disappointment that they didn't judge that your preferred platform format was worth pursuing.
I could have been who you you claim to be as I almost bought a 17" but when Apple didn't refresh it & came out with the 15" rMBP instead, I bought that & still use it every day. Harder on my ageing eyes & needs dongles, but then I got glasses and found that the lighter weight & having 2 true Gb ethernet ports was very useful (still have every dongle I bought though one or two have shrink tube thermoplastic I added to protect the flaking cords).
Yup, FaceID. Brain fart.
Oh stop with the laughably transparent straw men will you? "Apple used to be perfect", "Apple presents themselves as flawless", "Ever since Jobs died Apple has lost it's way", etc. You're not fooling anyone with the fake arguments.
There have _always_ been issues with iPhone software, from the first iPhone to every single release since then. No native apps. No flash. Not all apps are retina. The new taller screen format isn't supported by all apps. It doesn't sync with my work exchange server.
Jobs as the perfect Apple CEO? You clearly don't remember the Apple Cube...
Walk up to 100, 1000 or even 10000 iPhone owners and ask them if "Not neatly aligning the heading with the search bar" == "Buggy as hell". I doubt any will care.
Walk up to the slashdot android zealots searching for reasons to justify their choice of platform and _there_ you'll find those who _pretend_ to care.
Again, when Apple gets criticised for faults on Ars, yes there's an issue but when Apple gets blasted on slashdot, it's usually just haters hating.
Or, you know, one could use the modding of people who comment on stories that paint Apple badly on slashdot compared to other site like Ars Technica as a proxy.
There aren't enough OCD perfectionists in the world to make up enough people claiming "Not neatly aligning the heading with the search bar" == "Buggy as hell". However the ranks of Android zealots here that see Everest behind every molehill ...
On Slashdot, people who point out legitimate inconsistencies in stories like the "FaceTime already HACKED" story from earlier this week were downmodded into oblivion. and the people saying "This is why I'll never buy APPLE TRASH" were upmodded.
On Ars, people asking "if this is a legitimate hack, and not someone who trained FaceTime using the device password to recognise the 3D print, why don't they say so" were upmodded.
Wait a few days and it is clear that the claims of FaceTime being hacked were by people having the password. Ars doesn't lack stories calling out Apple for problems (Where is the Mac Mini renew. Why is the New MBP & iPhone X so expensive, etc), but they have avoided becoming the abode of trolls like Opportunist who get upmodded here for merely stating "I Hate Apple".
There really is only one conclusion that can be drawn and it doesn't put slashdot in a good light.
Beyond my personal disdain of people obsessing on minor details to make mountains out of molehills, were Ars to come out with a similar story where enough people were upset with the details to comment and mod the complaints up, I'd believe that there was a problem. Right now it's just the usual slashdot haters doing their thing.
The "bugs" are almost all sufficiently minor to not bother people without OCD issues.
From a brand that used to pride itself on impeccable visual design, that's actually quite sad. From Microsoft, or even most Android manufacturers, it wouldn't be such a big deal, because that level of visual perfection was never their thing and they never attracted those OCD users in the first place like Apple did.
Apple spent years cultivating the following of these people, now they're seeing what happens when you trigger them.
There's no way to be certain but if there were, I'd wager everything I could that almost all the "claimed OCD iOS users" are instead apple haters flocking to another molehill in attempts to build another fake mountain.
Ooohhhh not "neatly aligning the heading with the search bar" makes you "makes me want to pop out my eyes with a rusty spoon"?!?!
The "bugs" are almost all sufficiently minor to not bother people without OCD issues.
It's fast, but are you seeing problems with it like I am? As an example here on slashdot's Interactive Discussion system (D2), with FF57 I can no longer click on low modded article headers to expand them.
I have a similar problem on Ars Technica forums.
I can adapt to all the other new changes but if FF57 breaks essential functions I'll be moving to chrome in short order.
We have respect for those with insightful and informative comments. We do not have any respect for people using whataboutism to make off-topic noise.
Well it isn't our respect.
And the victor in today's whataboutism contest is... PopeRatzo!
Thanks for your contribution, it's really raising the bar in this cesspool known as slashdot...
Then don’t renew every year but every 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. iPhones are generally supported by Apple with updates to be OS for more years than android phones are. Besides which, Apple will take back and responsbly recycle old phones when you buy new iPhones at an Apple store.
Yeah, /. has become the abode of Apple haters like Opportunist who make the same lame stupid jokes over and over.
For intelligent discourse i’ve moved on to Ars Technica anyway where the editors intelligently noted that the claimed hack is dubious followed by intelligent discussions on FaceID benefits/drawbacks.
Slashdot, no longer news for nerds, just Apple hater clickbait.
Anyone using a passcode & not a password deserves to get hacked anyway.
I use 1password on Android/IOS/MacOS/Windows because I have thousands of unique passwords (clients). That you think it is a waste of money merely shows that you don't know how to use it.
They appear to have trained the iPhone to recognise the 3D Scan by using the passcode/password to update the model after multiple failures until it finally worked.
How fortunate Android users are to NOT be vulnerable to to exploitation when the bad guys have:
- the Phone
- A detailed 3D model and print
- the passcode/password
That won't work as everyone who has tried to do it already knows.
"Sir, you can't use FaceID if you give your password and your phone and a high resolution 3D print of your face to someone so that they can retrain FaceID to recognise the 3D print over a dozens/hundreds/thousands of failed attempts until it works and uses it to unlock your phone!"
Because having the password/passcode isn't already game over, duh.
FaceID constructs a 3D model of your face which is then updated over time so that gradual changes (facial hair, etc) can be integrated into the model. These updates take place after FaceID successfully recognises your face -- and after unsuccessful face-id challenges followed by the use of the passcode/password.
https://support.apple.com/en-u...
The claimed hack gives absolutely no information on whether "the hack" was performed using a 3D printed model that had never been shown to the iPhone or whether they trained the iPhone to recognise the 3D model by showing it to the iPhone and repeatedly typing the password after every failure.
If you already have the passcode/password which _always works_, FaceID is already bypassed.
Until more details come out and others reproduce it, I'd take the claim that FaceID has been hacked with a _large_ grain of salt.
That you think that Stealth jets & Helicopters have the same capabilities and missions says it all: Anyone with even a 10 year old girl's understanding of naval aviation would see that I have abundantly & repeatedly answered why the USMC, Royal Navy, etc, need STOVL F35Bs. That you fail to recognize that lives depend on being able to perform effective defensive and offensive operations in todays and tomorrows potential theaters from non-supercarrier ships just underscores how totally clueless you are on the subject.
But then you don't care about the 11 USMC MEU's & RN battlegroups becoming sinking coffins for the tens of thousands of Marines and Sailors that would die should they be needed in any real conflict. You've decided after extensive wargaming with your barbie & ken dolls that the U.S. will only be fighting insurgencies in Iraq/Syria for the next 40 years with cover provided by USN Supercarriers. Go back to choking yourself and your chicken ms clueless.
Ah, Mr clueless believes that because the USMC, the Royal Navy, The Spanish Navy, the Italian Navy etc, are not involved in active warfare _RIGHT_NOW_, that STOVL stealth jets are worthless. Because Mr clueless has never heard Si vis pacem, para bellum and is incapable of understanding it even if he had an education.
Because Mr clueless thinks that 11 carriers are sufficient for all needs and that having stealth jets on the 9 MEUs brings no advantages whatsoever -- because Mr clueless has already stated with all the authority he has (aka none) that "they'll just use helicopters like they do now". Because Mr clueless doesn't believe in self protection of the existing USMC, Royal Navy, etc platforms (thats's ships to you mr clueless, you know those things that float on the water) even though they are in desperate need of having a threat that cannot be trivially shot down with anyone using 50 year old fighter or SAMs. Because Mr Clueless doesn't believe that force projection by STOVL carriers could be useful by themselves or in concert with CTOL carriers.
Mr clueless is sufficiently ignorant to believe that because the USN & USMC are sufficiently redouble _today_ to halt actions by potential adversaries that this will continue to be the case for the next 40 years -- even _without_ leaving the USMC any weapons more potent than helicopters.
Mr clueless believes that threats & conflicts _today_ define the threats of _tomorrow_ -- because he never studied/understood history.
Straight face: Korea, should the rocket man step over the line. The straights of Formosa and the South China Sea should China decide that nothing credible is stopping them from seizing Taiwan or the Philippines. The Persian Gulf for any number of reasons. The Timor Sea should Indonesia's moderates lose to the hard-line Muslims and they decide that NW Australia looks soft and inviting. The eastern Med should Erdogan decide that he needs to focus opinion on foreign threats once his "rescue" of Cypress and a few other islands falters.
Now stop playing that choking game to pleasure yourself and go get an education you twit.
mod parent up, he gave the only plausible technical reason I've heard for a cert expiring that would impossible to fix.
Is counting beyond 10 hard for you unless you take off your shoes? Junior, _you_ have been the clueless one throughout the thread. I merely reposted the question that you never answered after you displayed an astounding level of ignorance by stating "Right, so use a helicopter".
So again, you still don't understand the difference in mission or capabilities between helicopters and STOVL stealth jets do you junior?
I had the wrong take on keyloggers initially as they are explicitly mentioned in TFA & I blind spotted them.
However, you don't need to use a keylogger to get usernames and passwords.
If you are doing web filtering by categories like filtering porn & allowing facebook while blocking Facebook messenger and file uploads in messenger you are by necessity performing SSL decryption on the web filtering platforms. If I wanted your logins/passwords that'd be the place to do it.
Another even easier spot to do it is on secure bastion servers like Balabit Secure Control Box cyberark, etc. These platforms allow secure access to internal hosts while watching _everything_ that you do on it. Since Snowden made it blindingly clear that Sysadmins can see/do everything, access to critical platforms like Firewalls VM Management servers, core routers are increasingly performed through a platform that records everything you type, everything you see onscreen and can be played like a VCR forwards and backwards. I don't imagine anyone is logging on to Facebook through a SCB but password reuse is common and if I am the SCB admin, I could easily find your passwords.
Neither SSL decryption (with exceptions) nor session logging (with exceptions) are "100% Illegal" in Europe as the original poster stated & it doesn't need to be for national security reasons.
Still don't understand the difference in mission or capabilities between helicopters and STOVL stealth jets junior?
The prudishness endemic in American society is not universal. Thankfully, I live in a society that does not tie itself in hypocritical knots because a nipple was shown on TV.