You're definitely not out if you have a KX133 or a KT133. There's not going to be a huge difference there. But at least with AMD CPUs, you have a new chipset, instead of having to use RAMBUS, or the elderly BX chipset.
There's probably another issue here. I've heard of no problems at all with video editing and Athlons. That simply wouldn't make sense of your encoder not work because of a CPU. Have you tried it on another Athlon system or toyed around with your config?
Since when? You should check your facts, all AMD's CPUs support SMP. The problem is there isn't a chipset for it, which AMD, Micron, and Via are all working on and will be out Q1 2001.
They're just overclocking. Yes, people can think of the new designs, but you're not going to go from 1.1GHz to 1.6GHz over night unless you get one of these.
Haha, Dell trying to help the consumer? That's not going to happen. Compaq though has made machines with Kyrotech's technology in them. Oh, also Intel won't work with them. Also, Thunderbirds aren't clocked if you know how to use a pencil:). You can unlock clocked T-Birds by marking over the bridges.
What vaporware? Please don't jump to conclusions. I owned a Kyrotech 1GHz Athlon last year I had it. These things are real and you can buy them if you have the costs. God, why is everyone so negative on/. boards?
Have you heard of games? Some people do use these things for entertainment. and no way is KryoTech or Sys trying to get the mainstream. THIS IS VERY FAR FROM MAINSTREAM. Those suckers are huge and cost a fortune, but at least they are there for those who want them. Who said it would speed up their downloads? I think you're referring to the "NetBus" on the P4 and the how the PIII would "change the Internet" if you'll recall from their ads during the SuperBowl.
I'm confused how you can be against one monopoly (I assume by your nick) and for another (once again your nick). If you want the best performance (that is if you can actually find a 1GHz coppermine from Intel in a retail outlet, unlike Athlons which are plentiful and much cheaper, and then spend $800 for Intel's great motherboards that only support RDRAM, thanks to those nice investor options!), get a Thunderbird (an Athlon with on die L2 cache running at CPU speed_. Duron was meant to beat Celeron as a low cost alternative and does that easily. It isn't a high-end CPU.
Ignorance = bad. AMD and its chipsets meet the AGP spec. If you're power supply is crappy or you didn't pick up a quality motherboard, then you may have had problems (for the Super 7 days, so before Athlon or Duron), but AMD is not to blame for poor hardware components in your system. Also, with Nvidia's new GeForce there was a slight issue with AMD 750 chipset motherboards, but that was fixed a short while after Athlon's launch last August with super bypass enabled on motherboards. Also, Via's KX133 and KT133 (which are used to make basically all Socket A motherboards, which is what Duron and the Thunderbird (ehanhced Athlon) run on) also had no problems with Nvidia's GeForce video card chipsets. Other than that, all other video cards which use AGP are fine.
We've put up a review of Duron at AMD Zone, the largest AMD site on the net. We also hit a few of your problems (less pages, more paragraphs) and use more benchmarks. For example, Currently, there are five standard SPECopc viewsets: ProCDRS viewset is intended to model the graphics performance of Parametric Technology Corporation's CDRS industrial design software. IBM's Data Explorer (DX), which has 10 different tests, is a visualization application. Intergraph's DesignReview (DRV), which has 10 different tests, is a 3D computer model review package. Alias/Wavefront's Advanced Visualizer, with 10 tests, is an animation application. And Discreet Logic's Lightscape Visualization System, with four tests, is a radiosity visualization application. All five viewsets represent relatively high-end applications. These type of applications typically render large data sets. They almost always include lighting, smooth shading, blending, line antialiasing, z-buffering, and some texture mapping. So we use Specview, Seti, Distributed, and a few other benchmarks made by a friend of ours who attends the University of Illnois. QMC is best described in the words of Tim QMC tests cpu power, cache quality to some extent depending on the file Input1D0, bus io and ram. It calculates the ground state properties of a particular lattice model using a Quantum Monte Carlo algorithm. Linpack is a very interesting benchmark for comparing the Tbird to the classic Athlon because you can watch the data get too big for the CPUs caches and watch performance fall. Here is Tim's description of the benchmark. For a matrix of size N you use 8 * N * N bytes to store that matrix. For 25 sites you use 5KB. Each time the matrix is increased by 25 the memory consumption rises by 4 fold. So you use 5KB, 20KB, 80KB,.... , 5.12 MB. At some point the L2 is overflowed. At that point performance will depend on how quick data can be accessed from ram. This is where you will see a noticable performance drop, or at least you should depending on the latency of getting data from ram. So for matrices that are larger than L1(data) + L2 you are really stressing the quality of the cache and the bus speed. Also you pay a tremendous performance hit for using CAS3 ram. I think it's a very good benchmark. Also to those who commented that Athlon is about the same as Duron's price. That is off Price Watch, which is not the MSRP which was released as always in press releases, and was OEM. Duron will cost much less at Price Watch when it is readily available than its MSRP just like Athlon does now. Hope that helped.
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You're definitely not out if you have a KX133 or a KT133. There's not going to be a huge difference there. But at least with AMD CPUs, you have a new chipset, instead of having to use RAMBUS, or the elderly BX chipset.
There's probably another issue here. I've heard of no problems at all with video editing and Athlons. That simply wouldn't make sense of your encoder not work because of a CPU. Have you tried it on another Athlon system or toyed around with your config?
Since when? You should check your facts, all AMD's CPUs support SMP. The problem is there isn't a chipset for it, which AMD, Micron, and Via are all working on and will be out Q1 2001.
Well, late Oct./November isn't that bad. These were just specs, they haven't really announced it.
They're just overclocking. Yes, people can think of the new designs, but you're not going to go from 1.1GHz to 1.6GHz over night unless you get one of these.
Haha, Dell trying to help the consumer? That's not going to happen. Compaq though has made machines with Kyrotech's technology in them. Oh, also Intel won't work with them. Also, Thunderbirds aren't clocked if you know how to use a pencil :). You can unlock clocked T-Birds by marking over the bridges.
What vaporware? Please don't jump to conclusions. I owned a Kyrotech 1GHz Athlon last year I had it. These things are real and you can buy them if you have the costs. God, why is everyone so negative on /. boards?
Have you heard of games? Some people do use these things for entertainment. and no way is KryoTech or Sys trying to get the mainstream. THIS IS VERY FAR FROM MAINSTREAM. Those suckers are huge and cost a fortune, but at least they are there for those who want them. Who said it would speed up their downloads? I think you're referring to the "NetBus" on the P4 and the how the PIII would "change the Internet" if you'll recall from their ads during the SuperBowl.
Assumptions = bad. AMD released the K7 roadmap back at Comdex 98, around October 15. Just last year AMD was at 16, today it is at 88.
I'm confused how you can be against one monopoly (I assume by your nick) and for another (once again your nick). If you want the best performance (that is if you can actually find a 1GHz coppermine from Intel in a retail outlet, unlike Athlons which are plentiful and much cheaper, and then spend $800 for Intel's great motherboards that only support RDRAM, thanks to those nice investor options!), get a Thunderbird (an Athlon with on die L2 cache running at CPU speed_. Duron was meant to beat Celeron as a low cost alternative and does that easily. It isn't a high-end CPU.
Ignorance = bad. AMD and its chipsets meet the AGP spec. If you're power supply is crappy or you didn't pick up a quality motherboard, then you may have had problems (for the Super 7 days, so before Athlon or Duron), but AMD is not to blame for poor hardware components in your system. Also, with Nvidia's new GeForce there was a slight issue with AMD 750 chipset motherboards, but that was fixed a short while after Athlon's launch last August with super bypass enabled on motherboards. Also, Via's KX133 and KT133 (which are used to make basically all Socket A motherboards, which is what Duron and the Thunderbird (ehanhced Athlon) run on) also had no problems with Nvidia's GeForce video card chipsets. Other than that, all other video cards which use AGP are fine.
We've put up a review of Duron at AMD Zone, the largest AMD site on the net. We also hit a few of your problems (less pages, more paragraphs) and use more benchmarks. For example, Currently, there are five standard SPECopc viewsets: ProCDRS viewset is intended to model the graphics performance of Parametric Technology Corporation's CDRS industrial design software. IBM's Data Explorer (DX), which has 10 different tests, is a visualization application. Intergraph's DesignReview (DRV), which has 10 different tests, is a 3D computer model review package. Alias/Wavefront's Advanced Visualizer, with 10 tests, is an animation application. And Discreet Logic's Lightscape Visualization System, with four tests, is a radiosity visualization application. All five viewsets represent relatively high-end applications. These type of applications typically render large data sets. They almost always include lighting, smooth shading, blending, line antialiasing, z-buffering, and some texture mapping. So we use Specview, Seti, Distributed, and a few other benchmarks made by a friend of ours who attends the University of Illnois. QMC is best described in the words of Tim QMC tests cpu power, cache quality to some extent depending on the file Input1D0, bus io and ram. It calculates the ground state properties of a particular lattice model using a Quantum Monte Carlo algorithm. Linpack is a very interesting benchmark for comparing the Tbird to the classic Athlon because you can watch the data get too big for the CPUs caches and watch performance fall. Here is Tim's description of the benchmark. For a matrix of size N you use 8 * N * N bytes to store that matrix. For 25 sites you use 5KB. Each time the matrix is increased by 25 the memory consumption rises by 4 fold. So you use 5KB, 20KB, 80KB, .... , 5.12 MB. At some point the L2 is overflowed. At that point performance will depend on how quick data can be accessed from ram. This is where you will see a noticable performance drop, or at least you should depending on the latency of getting data from ram. So for matrices that are larger than L1(data) + L2 you are really stressing the quality of the cache and the bus speed. Also you pay a tremendous performance hit for using CAS3 ram. I think it's a very good benchmark. Also to those who commented that Athlon is about the same as Duron's price. That is off Price Watch, which is not the MSRP which was released as always in press releases, and was OEM. Duron will cost much less at Price Watch when it is readily available than its MSRP just like Athlon does now. Hope that helped.