I really don't see the point. Banning a word won't make it go away, especially words that are so common. In the UK that kind of language is fairly common on TV anyway... Forbidding it makes no sense. And what about words which are swearing in other languages? Filter those as well and there's probably not much left... For all I know, 'slashdot' could be a curse in some obscure dialect spoken by three people. Or something.
But words define thought (supposedly)... If you can think something, you might as well speak it. Maybe the words are considered bad because sex is supposed to be 'bad'. I mean, it exists, it's necessary, what's the fuss for?
Aside from the attempts at humour, do you are people computers as well? Have we reached the stage where we can consider machines to be equal of humans? Will we ever? Personally I think treating someone as a machine is uncomplimentary at the moment, but by the time she grows up anything could have happened...
And I really wish people would stop using this sort of thing for pure politics.
There have been quite a few posts asking about standards and whether they're worth it. A lot of the issues are summed up here:
http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/
Basically, by not sticking to standards you are discriminating and losing money. It might cost you five minutes more to write a page but you could gain more customers or even save a long court battle.
It doesn't take long to stick to standards. For only a little extra work you can make your work viewable by everyone, not just a few. You are losing customers by making it hard for them to view your work.
Just because someone isn't using IE does not make them a poor idiot who can't afford whatever it is you're selling. They could be some high-up CEO guy viewing your page on a Palm. Or maybe a consultant who won't recommend you to others because your page wouldn't let them in.
MathML is a pain to write. Believe me, I've tried:) You really do need a tool to write it for you (this is the only time I use WYSIWYG). Amaya handles it well.
Amaya isn't a replacement for NS / IE. It is targetted at developers. For users who can't code HTML, it is a way of creating accessible code without too much learning. It isn't as pretty as, say, Composer or FrontPage but it is more disablity-friendly.
It's open source, port it:) The w3c don't have the time or resources to release for every platform. There's nothing stopping someone else from doing it, though.
Not entirely. Someone still has to publish specifications. OK, maybe everyone else extends them, but there has to be something there in the first place. If there was no 'core' specification then there could be no extensions to it. Everything would split and the web would no longer be World Wide.
Besides, your employer should consider the legal implications of making sites proprietry. In the UK there's the Disability Discrimination Act, the US has something similar. By making sites use proprietry extensions you are limiting access to those who cannot use mainstream browsers for whatever reason. You seem to be forgetting that not everyone can use IE, even if they want to. Some people may wish to have pages read to them, or have them magnified (Opera, for example, can do the latter).
Just because Microsoft have the market share does not mean they own the internet. If you've read the halloween documents you'll know about protocol de-comoditisation -- that would force everyone to use their products. The consumer should have a right to choose.
Any work done for exams (including coursework) in secondary school in Scotland is the property of the SQA. Fair enough, you might say, but for my Higher Still project I'm wanting to do something useful (maybe XSL / SVG to PDF). I won't be allowed to release it under GPL. I have to say that it is the property of the SQA and get their permission to publish my own work.
It's easy (I think). There's not much air up there so no friction or anything. MIR is pulled towards Earth because of gravity. However, it's moving round so falling down doesn't bring it any closer to Earth. So long as the velocity round the Earth (would that be horizontal with respect to us?) is correct the distance the MIR never falls.
The thing is, this isn't perfect for a number of reasons. That's what the thrusters (which need fuel) are for. IIRC, the MIR actually moves slightly too slowly so it needs fuel to move outwards.
I don't know whether MIR is geostationary or not -- if the distance between Earth and the orbiting body is correct (36,000km???) it will always be above the same point on Earth as well.
It's not so much what they support as in what works, it's the 'extras' that M$ programs generate that no-one else supports. And they're very hard to stop.
On the subject of HTML, they really ruined the element by partially supporting it and not obeying the specification, thus making it useless.
Some people claim it stands for Gee Whiz because it executes code so quickly. Just the other day I wrote a c001 '133t pR0gR4m Th4t l15t5 pr1m3 nUmBar5. 1 l00k3d 4T 1t th15 mr0n1nG & 1t h4d 4lr34dy r34cH3d t00 f1gur35! N444h, y0u'd n3v3r g3t th4t k1nD 0f sp33d 1n y0uR 3|33t C++ pr0Gr4mM1nG |4nGu4Ge! D00dz, 1'm 4n '133t h4x0R!!!
I'd like to clear up a common misconception. People will tell me I'm wrong, I just know it, but still... For most Win32 programs Delphi and C++ code will run at pretty much the same speed. There is no noticable difference for non-number crunching tasks, and Delphi makes development much faster.
C++ is more flexible, granted, and some things in Delphi (pointer offsets, for example) are a nightmare in Pascal, but the development time is often far faster. There is no trying to remember whether you want a pointer to a pointer to an array of chars or just a pointer to an array of chars, or whatever...
Please don't start a huge debate about Delphi v C++, it's not worth it. And let's not mention the VB 'compiler' in the same sentence as fast (oops, just did it...).
This raises an interesting question. I already have the Win32 version, will I have to pay for it again for Linux? That's the kind of stupid marketing trick some companies would try.
I wonder, if this sort of thing becomes more common will companies charge the same for all platforms or will WinDoze software be cheaper because more people want it? Could they do that, or would it be discriminating against a minority (probably shouldn't say that) group?
We're safe in the UK -- our government don't sell off information they gained through invading privacy, erm I mean monitoring to ensure the safety of the nation. They just leave it on laptops in taxi cabs.
Of course these laptops are running NT so we're perfectly safe because it is such a secure operating system.
Das Vindowsdisk ist nicht fur die redistributen und debundilen. Ist easy traschen der harddisken, blowencarten und blauscreenovdeathen. Ist fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen disken in das boxen; relaxen und watchen das blinkencursor.
It's in Europe and it's using the Euro, which is rapidly becoming worthless (see also: Lira). I'm in the UK, which is also in Europe, and is using the Pound, which is rapidly becoming worth too much.
I'm sure none of that makes sense economically, but what does?
From the company that brought you the GUI (stolen from the Mac), the Point-And-Drool Interface (stolen from the Mac), the ability to multitask (smirk) (stolen from UNIX), the ability to use a value of 0 with sleep (stolen from UNIX), sound effects (stolen from Linux) and the and elements in HTML (stolen from, erm, no-one), perpare to be amazed by the latest in gaming technology. The X Box allows you to play fantastic games from the comfort of your armchair.
Look on in awe as lots of polygons draw (slowly) on the screen! Marvel at the Blue Screen Of Death cheat in many games! Be astonished by the magic of Undocumented API Calls (TM)! Drop dead of boredom whilst the useless piece of trash boots up! (Oops)
If it's dedicated, OK it might be more powerful, but will it be upgradable? That's the important thing really. And of course Micro$oft will 'forget' to release half the specification for the APIs (I hope I sound like I know what I'm talking about -- you all know what I mean, I've spent the past two days trying to figure out stuff about how NT services really work) so only their lame programmers will be able to use most of the stuff.
Maybe I'm being unfair but since Micro$oft will control everything the skilled developers will not be able to use it to its full potential.
I'm sort of curious - this thing is about on par with a powerful games PC now. Why not just buy a PC? There will be little difference in cost by the time the x box gets finished...
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I really don't see the point. Banning a word won't make it go away, especially words that are so common. In the UK that kind of language is fairly common on TV anyway... Forbidding it makes no sense. And what about words which are swearing in other languages? Filter those as well and there's probably not much left... For all I know, 'slashdot' could be a curse in some obscure dialect spoken by three people. Or something.
But words define thought (supposedly)... If you can think something, you might as well speak it. Maybe the words are considered bad because sex is supposed to be 'bad'. I mean, it exists, it's necessary, what's the fuss for?
Aside from the attempts at humour, do you are people computers as well? Have we reached the stage where we can consider machines to be equal of humans? Will we ever? Personally I think treating someone as a machine is uncomplimentary at the moment, but by the time she grows up anything could have happened...
And I really wish people would stop using this sort of thing for pure politics.
Hmmm. Would the GPL (GNU Person License?) or LGPL be more suitable? Things could get fun when considering the legal implications of that...
There have been quite a few posts asking about standards and whether they're worth it. A lot of the issues are summed up here:
http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/
Basically, by not sticking to standards you are discriminating and losing money. It might cost you five minutes more to write a page but you could gain more customers or even save a long court battle.
Think of everyone, not just the majority.
It doesn't take long to stick to standards. For only a little extra work you can make your work viewable by everyone, not just a few. You are losing customers by making it hard for them to view your work.
Just because someone isn't using IE does not make them a poor idiot who can't afford whatever it is you're selling. They could be some high-up CEO guy viewing your page on a Palm. Or maybe a consultant who won't recommend you to others because your page wouldn't let them in.
MathML is a pain to write. Believe me, I've tried :) You really do need a tool to write it for you (this is the only time I use WYSIWYG). Amaya handles it well.
Amaya isn't a replacement for NS / IE. It is targetted at developers. For users who can't code HTML, it is a way of creating accessible code without too much learning. It isn't as pretty as, say, Composer or FrontPage but it is more disablity-friendly.
It's open source, port it :) The w3c don't have the time or resources to release for every platform. There's nothing stopping someone else from doing it, though.
Not entirely. Someone still has to publish specifications. OK, maybe everyone else extends them, but there has to be something there in the first place. If there was no 'core' specification then there could be no extensions to it. Everything would split and the web would no longer be World Wide.
Besides, your employer should consider the legal implications of making sites proprietry. In the UK there's the Disability Discrimination Act, the US has something similar. By making sites use proprietry extensions you are limiting access to those who cannot use mainstream browsers for whatever reason. You seem to be forgetting that not everyone can use IE, even if they want to. Some people may wish to have pages read to them, or have them magnified (Opera, for example, can do the latter).
Just because Microsoft have the market share does not mean they own the internet. If you've read the halloween documents you'll know about protocol de-comoditisation -- that would force everyone to use their products. The consumer should have a right to choose.
Any work done for exams (including coursework) in secondary school in Scotland is the property of the SQA. Fair enough, you might say, but for my Higher Still project I'm wanting to do something useful (maybe XSL / SVG to PDF). I won't be allowed to release it under GPL. I have to say that it is the property of the SQA and get their permission to publish my own work.
Is this right?
It's easy (I think). There's not much air up there so no friction or anything. MIR is pulled towards Earth because of gravity. However, it's moving round so falling down doesn't bring it any closer to Earth. So long as the velocity round the Earth (would that be horizontal with respect to us?) is correct the distance the MIR never falls.
The thing is, this isn't perfect for a number of reasons. That's what the thrusters (which need fuel) are for. IIRC, the MIR actually moves slightly too slowly so it needs fuel to move outwards.
I don't know whether MIR is geostationary or not -- if the distance between Earth and the orbiting body is correct (36,000km???) it will always be above the same point on Earth as well.
HTH,
Ciaran
It's not so much what they support as in what works, it's the 'extras' that M$ programs generate that no-one else supports. And they're very hard to stop.
On the subject of HTML, they really ruined the element by partially supporting it and not obeying the specification, thus making it useless.
We focused hard on giving programmers all of the right solutions for interoperating with Internet standards, such as HTTP, HTML, XML (snip)
Ah yes, as usual Micro$oft are keen to promote internet standards. But who's standards? I wonder, do they mean w3 standards or M$ 'standards'?
Some people claim it stands for Gee Whiz because it executes code so quickly. Just the other day I wrote a c001 '133t pR0gR4m Th4t l15t5 pr1m3 nUmBar5. 1 l00k3d 4T 1t th15 mr0n1nG & 1t h4d 4lr34dy r34cH3d t00 f1gur35! N444h, y0u'd n3v3r g3t th4t k1nD 0f sp33d 1n y0uR 3|33t C++ pr0Gr4mM1nG |4nGu4Ge! D00dz, 1'm 4n '133t h4x0R!!!
Ahem, that's enough of that for now.
I'd like to clear up a common misconception. People will tell me I'm wrong, I just know it, but still... For most Win32 programs Delphi and C++ code will run at pretty much the same speed. There is no noticable difference for non-number crunching tasks, and Delphi makes development much faster.
C++ is more flexible, granted, and some things in Delphi (pointer offsets, for example) are a nightmare in Pascal, but the development time is often far faster. There is no trying to remember whether you want a pointer to a pointer to an array of chars or just a pointer to an array of chars, or whatever...
Please don't start a huge debate about Delphi v C++, it's not worth it. And let's not mention the VB 'compiler' in the same sentence as fast (oops, just did it...).
This raises an interesting question. I already have the Win32 version, will I have to pay for it again for Linux? That's the kind of stupid marketing trick some companies would try.
I wonder, if this sort of thing becomes more common will companies charge the same for all platforms or will WinDoze software be cheaper because more people want it? Could they do that, or would it be discriminating against a minority (probably shouldn't say that) group?
We're safe in the UK -- our government don't sell off information they gained through invading privacy, erm I mean monitoring to ensure the safety of the nation. They just leave it on laptops in taxi cabs.
Of course these laptops are running NT so we're perfectly safe because it is such a secure operating system.
OK, people are feeling abusive. Why am I not surprised?
Das Vindowsdisk ist nicht fur die redistributen und debundilen. Ist easy traschen der harddisken, blowencarten und blauscreenovdeathen. Ist fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen disken in das boxen; relaxen und watchen das blinkencursor.
There are lots of intelligent people around here... I may or may not be one of them, depending on just how abusive everyone is being today.
It's in Europe and it's using the Euro, which is rapidly becoming worthless (see also: Lira). I'm in the UK, which is also in Europe, and is using the Pound, which is rapidly becoming worth too much.
I'm sure none of that makes sense economically, but what does?
We all know what the advert won't be:
From the company that brought you the GUI (stolen from the Mac), the Point-And-Drool Interface (stolen from the Mac), the ability to multitask (smirk) (stolen from UNIX), the ability to use a value of 0 with sleep (stolen from UNIX), sound effects (stolen from Linux) and the and elements in HTML (stolen from, erm, no-one), perpare to be amazed by the latest in gaming technology. The X Box allows you to play fantastic games from the comfort of your armchair.
Look on in awe as lots of polygons draw (slowly) on the screen! Marvel at the Blue Screen Of Death cheat in many games! Be astonished by the magic of Undocumented API Calls (TM)! Drop dead of boredom whilst the useless piece of trash boots up! (Oops)
Ahem.
How long until the logo gets hack^H^H^H^Hreplaced? Maybe someone could get the x box to run X, then it might be worth using.
If it's dedicated, OK it might be more powerful, but will it be upgradable? That's the important thing really. And of course Micro$oft will 'forget' to release half the specification for the APIs (I hope I sound like I know what I'm talking about -- you all know what I mean, I've spent the past two days trying to figure out stuff about how NT services really work) so only their lame programmers will be able to use most of the stuff.
Maybe I'm being unfair but since Micro$oft will control everything the skilled developers will not be able to use it to its full potential.
I'm sort of curious - this thing is about on par with a powerful games PC now. Why not just buy a PC? There will be little difference in cost by the time the x box gets finished...