I see you are not below using tactics you accuse me of, you little hypocrite.
So... why not treat all criminals the same, if all crimes are unforgivable?
We should treat all ciminals the same. They should be punished in accordance with the law. If the says the penalty is execution, then execute them.
You, in your infantile stupidity, can not separate out the punishment of the law and the societal reaction to one's behavior. Maybe come out of your mother's basement and experience the real world.
I am already an adult. I am probably older than you are. I have also been a victim of the crimes you so casually dismiss. I have no compassion for criminals.
Every criminal I have come across had some fucking sob story about how it was not their fault the committed their crime. "It wasn't my fault! I couldn't control myself! She was asking for it! I needed money and no one would hire me!" Well, fuck them and their poor sob stories. If you commit a crime and get caught, it is public record. Neither they nor you have the right to go back and change the public record because you don't want anyone to know how fucking selfish and stupid someone was.
You may as well suggest that transcripts, grades, and every other government record be sealed and all newspaper archives burned to protect people who are criminals. You obviously don't want criminals to have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
Yes, that is what you have said. You refuse to accept the fact that there are continuing consequences, consequences beyond simple legal consequences, to crimes. Other people have the right to not associate with people who commit crimes. And, just doing one's "time" for a crime does not automatically put one back into the good graces of the rest of society.
By the way, burglary and robbery are not "youthful mistakes", especially when one is an adult.
But having paid for his crime, should he have to keep paying his entire life, even if he learns from it and never repeats it?
Yes, if that is what the social consequences of his actions are.
I did not put words in your mouth. I merely distilled your statements down to their bare essence. You may not like to have what you said presented to you in its true form, but that is your problem, not mine.
You seem to be assuming that anybody with an opinion that differs from yours must therefore ipso facto have an axe to grind
You seem to assume that anyone who doesn't have the exact same opinions and weak-will definition of what is a "crime" and "youthful mistakes" is obviously a vicious asshole who is barely above an animal.
The idea that there is "ordinary" crime, and there is "extraordinary" crime is false. You may choose to differentiate crime by such undefined standards, but I will not. Burglary is a crime. Drunk driving is a crime. If one gets caught committing a crime, and it gets reported in the newspaper, regardless of which one or who publishes the paper, that is life and a social consequense of committing the crime. One does not have the right to go back and rewrite history to suit one's self or improve one's image.
The papers are not "punishing the students", they are making facts available. You, in your little bleeding heart world where everyone is a victim and no one truly responsible for anything, think that the facts should be hidden to protect the guilty, but the rest of society has the right to know what is in the public record. Tell me, what is next, censoring the papers so that the stories read "Person A broke into a house, pistol-whipped Person B, and made off with an undisclosed amount of money and possessions?
While you seem to be completely in favor of wholesale re-writing of the past to suit the desires of bad actors, I am not.
I will treat you however I desire to treat you, got that, Jeff?
He is not being punished for the rest of his life. He is suffering the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life, just like everyone else.
Where you go wrong is assuming that there are only legal consequences for one's actions. There are also social consequences. Social consequences are far reaching. Whether one is homosexual, of a different religion, committed a crime, or has some voluntary physical modification, one will have to deal with the consequences of one's actions.
By the way, are you suggesting that public records be made secret so that only the government, and maybe those directly involved, have access to said records? That would be the ONLY way for your little dream world to exist.
How about a big "FUCK YOU" to you for making excuses for people who do not value effort, intelligence, or hard work prefering instead to believe they will be a sports superstar, singer, etc. or in some other way get rich quick and easy. Let me guess: All poor people are being held down by "The Man", right?
For most of the poor people I know, this is entirely the case. Hell, it wasn't even that they weren't smat. They just didn't give a fuck to make a fucking effort and try.
Even my sister and brother-in-law. My sister and I started in the same place. I have worked hard, learned skills, and have a good job. My sister is 45 and making US$8.00 per hour as an assitant manger at a fast food restaurant while by brother-in-law sits on his ass, wastes money as a volunteer making videos for the local high school football team, but can't get a real job. Both of them spent their 20s and early 30s smoking pot. Now they are poor white trash.
Everything I have seen, and continue to see, shows me that most people are poor because they think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter and they are not willing to start at the bottom and work their way up. And, it is people like you who propagate that idea.
You want perspective, I will give you perspective.
For one thing, a lack of mistakes on your record doesn't mean you didn't make any. It merely means that if you did, you didn't get caught. Fred got drunk at a frat party and drove home but managed to make it without incident. Irving got just as drunk at the same party but was unlucky enough to be stopped by police. Both decide to stop drinking in excess and keep their noses clean forevermore. Irving has trouble getting jobs because the campus newspaper ran the story and his employers keep finding it and assuming he's an alcoholic. Both made the same mistake, but one is punished for it for the rest of his life, while the other is not.
So, your argument is that because Fred didn't get caught, Irving shouldn't had to deal with the consequences of getting caught? Really? You actually believe that? I know, why don't we not punish Irving at all because other people didn't get caught. In fact, let's do that with all crimes. People get away with rape, murder, etc every day, so let's not punish anyone because it's not "fair" to the one's that got caught. I have news for you: Life is not fair and people who are caught breaking the law should suffer the consequences.
You say you were neither Fred nor Irving, so who was? Your son? Your brother? Your nephew? Who the fuck do you think should not have to pay the consequences of getting caught driving drunk?
Or, is it just that you are a fucking idiot who thinks that unless everyone gets caught and punished for every crime, no one who is caught should be punished?
In other words, the students trash the lab and expect someone to act like their mother. Sounds like these asshole students need to group up or loose some important bits to learn not to trash the lab.
Once something is published in a FUCKING NEWSPAPER, even if it is a college/school newspaper, it is not longer private. It is public record. Stop being stupdi assholes and then trying to censor the fucking world to keep everyone from knowing what a stupid fucking asshole you really are.
Of course, all those accidents could be caused by students that are stupid from being hung over and lack of sleep because they had to go party last night. I mean, what could possibly go wrong when an asshole student decides to go to chem lab drunk, high, and not having had a decent nigh's sleep in 4 days?
No. Your attitude of "I deserve everything I want and I should not have to pay for anything! Fuck you if you think your work and knowledge is worth something! Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!" is why we have a problem.
You don't call the auto shop and tell them that your engine is broken when your radio breaks!
No, you call them and tell them: your car is making a funny noise when your wheel bearings are going out. your car is making squealing noise when the belts are loose. your car doesn't shift right when your transmission is low on fluid. the steering wheel shakes when your tires are out of balance. the car is overheating when the water pump or thermostat is broken.
Ok, maybe you don't, but most people do just that.
YOU ARE A PERSON, NOT THE PEOPLE! YOUR ILK IS STILL THE MINORITY! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! The law says what the majority of people want it to say. You are in a tiny minority that think they know better than everyone else so their will should be imposed on everyone else. You are a fucking tyrant wanna-be for trying to impose your views on the majority.
Your analogy is false because the following is false.
The idea of copyright in a democracy is analogous to walking into a crowded room, with people carrying on vibrant conversations, on a topic which you introduced, and shouting at the top of your lungs, "Hey everybody! Shut up! Stop doing this thing that you're doing that benefits you, and instead let me be the bottleneck for distribution of this idea, at sole benefit to me personally.
In no way is copyright in a democrasy like what you say. Copyright does not say "You may not talk about this." It says "You may not make copies of this work I have produced without my approval."
There is no intellectual property. You have no rights to your ideas once they are communicated.
This is false because the law says there is intellectual property and that one has rights to an idea once it is communicated.
People willingly give money in exchange all the time.
They do not give money willingly. That is a baldfaced lie. They give the money because the consequences of taking it by threat, deception, force, or misappropriation are far greater than the benefit of having it without paying for it. You and your ilk want to remove the consequence of taking and expect that once everyone can simply take, that they will pay. That has been proven false time and time again, yet your stupidity fails to recognize the fact. That is what you are a fucking idiot.
Are you being disingenuous or just naive? If people were willing to pay for what they want, none of this would be an issue. There is no mutual benefit to having one's rights violated and the value of one's work destroyed.
Let's see, one can pay for it, or one can just take it for free. What are most of the selfish, greedy, arogant people going to do? They are going to take it for free.
The best books are written because the writers are good and are passionate about their subject. And the writers of even your definition of the best books still need to pay bills. An audience is not perpetual income if the many people get the work via illegal copies.
What the fuck do you mean "don't put in any effort"? He put effort into writing the book and is now not getting the return because shitheads like you.
You want to know how people are going to pay? They are going to pay by losing good works of art because it the return on the time and effort put into creating the works is not longer worth the effort.
You and your freeloading ilk need to wake the fuck up and get a fucking clue.
Wow, I quote the law to you and you fucking ignore it. Impressive. I can't tell if it is stupidity or just willful ignorance. I just hope you fucking die before you breed.
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What a fucking hypcrite.
I see you are not below using tactics you accuse me of, you little hypocrite.
We should treat all ciminals the same. They should be punished in accordance with the law. If the says the penalty is execution, then execute them.
You, in your infantile stupidity, can not separate out the punishment of the law and the societal reaction to one's behavior. Maybe come out of your mother's basement and experience the real world.
I am already an adult. I am probably older than you are. I have also been a victim of the crimes you so casually dismiss. I have no compassion for criminals.
Every criminal I have come across had some fucking sob story about how it was not their fault the committed their crime. "It wasn't my fault! I couldn't control myself! She was asking for it! I needed money and no one would hire me!" Well, fuck them and their poor sob stories. If you commit a crime and get caught, it is public record. Neither they nor you have the right to go back and change the public record because you don't want anyone to know how fucking selfish and stupid someone was.
You may as well suggest that transcripts, grades, and every other government record be sealed and all newspaper archives burned to protect people who are criminals. You obviously don't want criminals to have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
Empathy for people who CHOOSE to be stupid, or commit crimes? No.
Stop being a dumbass.
Yes, that is what you have said. You refuse to accept the fact that there are continuing consequences, consequences beyond simple legal consequences, to crimes. Other people have the right to not associate with people who commit crimes. And, just doing one's "time" for a crime does not automatically put one back into the good graces of the rest of society.
By the way, burglary and robbery are not "youthful mistakes", especially when one is an adult.
Yes, if that is what the social consequences of his actions are.
I did not put words in your mouth. I merely distilled your statements down to their bare essence. You may not like to have what you said presented to you in its true form, but that is your problem, not mine.
You seem to assume that anyone who doesn't have the exact same opinions and weak-will definition of what is a "crime" and "youthful mistakes" is obviously a vicious asshole who is barely above an animal.
The idea that there is "ordinary" crime, and there is "extraordinary" crime is false. You may choose to differentiate crime by such undefined standards, but I will not. Burglary is a crime. Drunk driving is a crime. If one gets caught committing a crime, and it gets reported in the newspaper, regardless of which one or who publishes the paper, that is life and a social consequense of committing the crime. One does not have the right to go back and rewrite history to suit one's self or improve one's image.
The papers are not "punishing the students", they are making facts available. You, in your little bleeding heart world where everyone is a victim and no one truly responsible for anything, think that the facts should be hidden to protect the guilty, but the rest of society has the right to know what is in the public record. Tell me, what is next, censoring the papers so that the stories read "Person A broke into a house, pistol-whipped Person B, and made off with an undisclosed amount of money and possessions?
While you seem to be completely in favor of wholesale re-writing of the past to suit the desires of bad actors, I am not.
I will treat you however I desire to treat you, got that, Jeff?
What crime did you or some friend or relative commit and are not paying the social consequences for?
He is not being punished for the rest of his life. He is suffering the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life, just like everyone else.
Where you go wrong is assuming that there are only legal consequences for one's actions. There are also social consequences. Social consequences are far reaching. Whether one is homosexual, of a different religion, committed a crime, or has some voluntary physical modification, one will have to deal with the consequences of one's actions.
By the way, are you suggesting that public records be made secret so that only the government, and maybe those directly involved, have access to said records? That would be the ONLY way for your little dream world to exist.
How about a big "FUCK YOU" to you for making excuses for people who do not value effort, intelligence, or hard work prefering instead to believe they will be a sports superstar, singer, etc. or in some other way get rich quick and easy. Let me guess: All poor people are being held down by "The Man", right?
For most of the poor people I know, this is entirely the case. Hell, it wasn't even that they weren't smat. They just didn't give a fuck to make a fucking effort and try.
Even my sister and brother-in-law. My sister and I started in the same place. I have worked hard, learned skills, and have a good job. My sister is 45 and making US$8.00 per hour as an assitant manger at a fast food restaurant while by brother-in-law sits on his ass, wastes money as a volunteer making videos for the local high school football team, but can't get a real job. Both of them spent their 20s and early 30s smoking pot. Now they are poor white trash.
Everything I have seen, and continue to see, shows me that most people are poor because they think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter and they are not willing to start at the bottom and work their way up. And, it is people like you who propagate that idea.
You want perspective, I will give you perspective.
So, your argument is that because Fred didn't get caught, Irving shouldn't had to deal with the consequences of getting caught? Really? You actually believe that? I know, why don't we not punish Irving at all because other people didn't get caught. In fact, let's do that with all crimes. People get away with rape, murder, etc every day, so let's not punish anyone because it's not "fair" to the one's that got caught. I have news for you: Life is not fair and people who are caught breaking the law should suffer the consequences.
You say you were neither Fred nor Irving, so who was? Your son? Your brother? Your nephew? Who the fuck do you think should not have to pay the consequences of getting caught driving drunk?
Or, is it just that you are a fucking idiot who thinks that unless everyone gets caught and punished for every crime, no one who is caught should be punished?
In other words, the students trash the lab and expect someone to act like their mother. Sounds like these asshole students need to group up or loose some important bits to learn not to trash the lab.
Once something is published in a FUCKING NEWSPAPER, even if it is a college/school newspaper, it is not longer private. It is public record. Stop being stupdi assholes and then trying to censor the fucking world to keep everyone from knowing what a stupid fucking asshole you really are.
Of course, all those accidents could be caused by students that are stupid from being hung over and lack of sleep because they had to go party last night. I mean, what could possibly go wrong when an asshole student decides to go to chem lab drunk, high, and not having had a decent nigh's sleep in 4 days?
No. Your attitude of "I deserve everything I want and I should not have to pay for anything! Fuck you if you think your work and knowledge is worth something! Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!" is why we have a problem.
Now, go fuck yourself, you selfish asshole.
O RLY? What is in my head could save the world. But, because you demand rights to my knowledge, I will not let it out.
How about you respect the rights of others first?
How about a bill of responsibilities as well.
Silly developer, Linux is for open source only! /sarcasm
No, you call them and tell them:
your car is making a funny noise when your wheel bearings are going out.
your car is making squealing noise when the belts are loose.
your car doesn't shift right when your transmission is low on fluid.
the steering wheel shakes when your tires are out of balance.
the car is overheating when the water pump or thermostat is broken.
Ok, maybe you don't, but most people do just that.
YOU ARE A PERSON, NOT THE PEOPLE! YOUR ILK IS STILL THE MINORITY! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! The law says what the majority of people want it to say. You are in a tiny minority that think they know better than everyone else so their will should be imposed on everyone else. You are a fucking tyrant wanna-be for trying to impose your views on the majority.
You need to fucking die.
Your analogy is false because the following is false.
In no way is copyright in a democrasy like what you say. Copyright does not say "You may not talk about this." It says "You may not make copies of this work I have produced without my approval."
This is false because the law says there is intellectual property and that one has rights to an idea once it is communicated.
They do not give money willingly. That is a baldfaced lie. They give the money because the consequences of taking it by threat, deception, force, or misappropriation are far greater than the benefit of having it without paying for it. You and your ilk want to remove the consequence of taking and expect that once everyone can simply take, that they will pay. That has been proven false time and time again, yet your stupidity fails to recognize the fact. That is what you are a fucking idiot.
False dilemma. I am neither. And, you are still a fucking idiot and your false analogy proves it.
Are you being disingenuous or just naive? If people were willing to pay for what they want, none of this would be an issue. There is no mutual benefit to having one's rights violated and the value of one's work destroyed.
You are a fucking idiot.
Let's see, one can pay for it, or one can just take it for free. What are most of the selfish, greedy, arogant people going to do? They are going to take it for free.
The best books are written because the writers are good and are passionate about their subject. And the writers of even your definition of the best books still need to pay bills.
An audience is not perpetual income if the many people get the work via illegal copies.
What the fuck do you mean "don't put in any effort"? He put effort into writing the book and is now not getting the return because shitheads like you.
You want to know how people are going to pay? They are going to pay by losing good works of art because it the return on the time and effort put into creating the works is not longer worth the effort.
You and your freeloading ilk need to wake the fuck up and get a fucking clue.
The only problem with your entire comment is that people don't want to pay for anything.
This is not necessary.
Wow, I quote the law to you and you fucking ignore it. Impressive. I can't tell if it is stupidity or just willful ignorance. I just hope you fucking die before you breed.