I don't believe that a business owner, merely by "virtue" of being a business owner, gets a power to violate my civil rights. They get all kinds of benefits from living in a civil society, and in exchange, they have to do things like pay taxes, not put up signs that say "No niggers, kikes or faggots allowed," etc., etc.
It is deeply disturbing to me that people imagine that starting a business gives them arbitrary powers of surveillance and coercion in that sphere.
> Maybe Eric should actually get to work and code instead - if he had done so a year ago, chances are that by now, > there would be a good configuration system for CUPS.
Hoo, boy! You haven't seen the results when ESR attempts to write code, have you?
If MySQL were only licensed under the GPL, it wouldn't be shareware. However, MySQL AB goes to a lot of trouble to make unclear the exact circumstances when you can use the GPL product vs. when you have to buy a commercial license. This campaign of fear, uncertainty and doubt is what differentiates MySQL from a FLOSS app.
> > Check constraints > Still don't, or the application can
I hope you'll pardon my putting this so bluntly, but this is an absolutely classical n00b mistake. In my experience, a useful data store doesn't have "the" application or "the" interface. It has several to start with and eventually grows many of them. That is why the data store itself has to maintain any data integrity/business rules inviolably. The alternative is to keep n (for some large n) code bases perfectly in synch and functioning exactly the same way.
> > trigger logic > You know what I'm seeing a pattern here. I guess > it seems that while MySQL doesn't do everything > you want, it does enough of what other people > want so it would seem that at least to other > people, MySQL does not suck.
It doesn't do enough of what people need when they're doing things that involve money, for example. There just isn't any way to use MySQL for an application that requires Generally Accepted Accounting Practices (GAAP) short of building a true relational database as middleware.
> As far as not throwing errors, we've either > used different versions, or your talking about > something I haven't come across, since I've > seen MySQL throw plenty of errors.
See the "gotchas" page, so often quoted here, re: the failure to throw errors when it's supposed to.
MySQL is not easy. Need a subquery? You're out of luck, pal. A FULL JOIN? Sorry. Check constraints? No dice. Throw an error instead of taking a bad guess when you've fatfingered an input? Oops. And God help you if you need some trigger logic for auditing purposes, because MySQL AB certainly won't.
I guess if ESR were to contribute something to the development of software, I might consider his model worth considering. One thing he's done is write self-aggrandizing screeds that are easy to attack, and wouldn't ya know, Sun does so.
PostgreSQL is under a very clear license: BSD. MySQL is under a very clear license, too: Whatever MySQL AB Feels Like Doing Right This Minute.
I do not need to repeat the earlier comments about the differences between what MySQL AB promises and what it delivers, but suffice it to say that those differences are comparable to any other sleazy proprietary software vendor. --
You seem to be under the impression that the VC were a significant force in the conflict in Vietnam. This is patently untrue. After the Tet Offensive of 1968, they were pretty much all dead, and the rest of the war was exclusively stand-up fights with the NVA and, we now know, air support from the USSR.
I just wish that some of the gun nuts (and all of the anti-gun nuts, BTW) would take the trouble to read a little more history than they find convenient for supporting their arguments.
Re: armed revolt, don't Fukien bet on it, as they say in China. It takes a fanatical mindset to do any such thing in the face of the kind of tools that are brought to bear on it these days.
In fact, you do convert some tiny fraction of the mass into energy. The Gibbs' free energy of formation of water at STP is 385.8 kJ/mole, which is to say that every 18 or so grams of water is missing about 3 nanograms of mass which represents the chemical bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, and to a much lesser extent the intramolecular bonds among oxygen molecules.
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Yet again, somebody has not been reading history.
"Less than lethal" weapons have always been used to make lethal weapons more effective, e.g. using teargas to flush people into the line of fire.
This technocracy idea is simply nonsense. Nobody can ignore the political demands of their peers--which is not some arrogant Ayn Rand fantasy Üntermenschener schwarm--with impunity, and nobody will ever do so.
Aren't internet companies' offices and servers located in one or more municipalities located here in the Land of the Pretty-Much-Free? Don't they benefit from that? It seems to me that they get all kinds of cool stuff like roads, publicly educated employees, clean water, safe streets, redress of grievances, law enforcement, et expensive tax-funded cetera. Is there some reason that a company based in Palo Alto should be exempt from taxes because it sells through web servers when the one next door that has customers walk in or order by mail isn't?
Please help me out here 'cause I'm really confused.
Did it not occur to anybody else that using a
service like this is just screaming, "I am a [participle] criminal in the sense of child molester or murderer?"
Trying to make yourself anonymous and untraceable is nothing remotely like civil disobedience. It's criminal, plain and simple, and it's long past time we stopped pretending it was anything else.
In this case, you do it by remembering that 95%
of the population of Canada lives in a strip
along the border of the US about 160 km wide.
Simply dividing n jillion square klicks of wheat
fields, tundra, snow field, etc. by a
population that doesn't live there is a very
distressing and unhelpful way to look at the
problem. Cheer up!:)
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I don't believe that a business owner, merely by "virtue" of being a business owner, gets a power to violate my civil rights. They get all kinds of benefits from living in a civil society, and in exchange, they have to do things like pay taxes, not put up signs that say "No niggers, kikes or faggots allowed," etc., etc.
It is deeply disturbing to me that people imagine that starting a business gives them arbitrary powers of surveillance and coercion in that sphere.
Leave Emily out of this!
If you use Ingres, you get to deal with CA's attorneys over any licensing issues that may arise.
If you use PostgreSQL, you get to deal with the 3-clause BSD license and a vibrant developer community.
> Maybe Eric should actually get to work and code instead - if he had done so a year ago, chances are that by now,
> there would be a good configuration system for CUPS.
Hoo, boy! You haven't seen the results when ESR attempts to write code, have you?
Among the better-clued, LAMP stands for Linux, Apache, Middleware, PostgreSQL :)
If MySQL were only licensed under the GPL, it wouldn't be shareware. However, MySQL AB goes to a lot of trouble to make unclear the exact circumstances when you can use the GPL product vs. when you have to buy a commercial license. This campaign of fear, uncertainty and doubt is what differentiates MySQL from a FLOSS app.
Actually, MySQL is a lot more like shareware. For a real open source RDBMS, use PostgreSQL.
> > Need a subquery
> Not everyone does
but when you do, you are Sh^Hadly Out of Luck.
> > FULL JOIN
> Again, not everyone does
see above.
> > Check constraints
> Still don't, or the application can
I hope you'll pardon my putting this so bluntly, but this is an absolutely classical n00b mistake. In my experience, a useful data store doesn't have "the" application or "the" interface. It has several to start with and eventually grows many of them. That is why the data store itself has to maintain any data integrity/business rules inviolably. The alternative is to keep n (for some large n) code bases perfectly in synch and functioning exactly the same way.
> > trigger logic
> You know what I'm seeing a pattern here. I guess
> it seems that while MySQL doesn't do everything
> you want, it does enough of what other people
> want so it would seem that at least to other
> people, MySQL does not suck.
It doesn't do enough of what people need when they're doing things that involve money, for example. There just isn't any way to use MySQL for an application that requires Generally Accepted Accounting Practices (GAAP) short of building a true relational database as middleware.
> As far as not throwing errors, we've either
> used different versions, or your talking about
> something I haven't come across, since I've
> seen MySQL throw plenty of errors.
See the "gotchas" page, so often quoted here, re: the failure to throw errors when it's supposed to.
MySQL is not easy. Need a subquery? You're out of luck, pal. A FULL JOIN? Sorry. Check constraints? No dice. Throw an error instead of taking a bad guess when you've fatfingered an input? Oops. And God help you if you need some trigger logic for auditing purposes, because MySQL AB certainly won't.
I guess if ESR were to contribute something to the development of software, I might consider his model worth considering. One thing he's done is write self-aggrandizing screeds that are easy to attack, and wouldn't ya know, Sun does so.
There are quite a few differences, most succinctly described at http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html and http://sql-info.de/postgresql/postgres-gotchas.htm l
PostgreSQL is under a very clear license: BSD.
MySQL is under a very clear license, too: Whatever MySQL AB Feels Like Doing Right This Minute.
I do not need to repeat the earlier comments about the differences between what MySQL AB promises and what it delivers, but suffice it to say that those differences are comparable to any other sleazy proprietary software vendor.
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One difference is that if you get another CPU, you had a legal copy.
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It has full-text searching: tsearch2 http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/postgres/gist/tsearc h/V2/ :)
http://bt.postgresql.org
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Join the torrent!
I am going to skip the Obligatory Monica Lewinsky Joke.
Oops.
Oh, well.
(no, I did not misspell that ;)
The only acceptable response is, "I'm sorry. I'll never again make the mistake of imagining the Republicans and Democrats to be the same."
> Does PostgreSQL support correlated subqueries?
Absolutely!
You seem to be under the impression that the VC were a significant force in the conflict in Vietnam. This is patently untrue. After the Tet Offensive of 1968, they were pretty much all dead, and the rest of the war was exclusively stand-up fights with the NVA and, we now know, air support from the USSR.
I just wish that some of the gun nuts (and all of the anti-gun nuts, BTW) would take the trouble to read a little more history than they find convenient for supporting their arguments.
Re: armed revolt, don't Fukien bet on it, as they say in China. It takes a fanatical mindset to do any such thing in the face of the kind of tools that are brought to bear on it these days.
> Theoretically it is possible to write perfect code. Hmm. I think a guy named Goedel had a different theory, and he, unlike you, proved his. ;)
In fact, you do convert some tiny fraction of the mass into energy. The Gibbs' free energy of formation of water at STP is 385.8 kJ/mole, which is to say that every 18 or so grams of water is missing about 3 nanograms of mass which represents the chemical bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, and to a much lesser extent the intramolecular bonds among oxygen molecules.
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"Less than lethal" weapons have always been used to make lethal weapons more effective, e.g. using teargas to flush people into the line of fire.
This technocracy idea is simply nonsense. Nobody can ignore the political demands of their peers--which is not some arrogant Ayn Rand fantasy Üntermenschener schwarm--with impunity, and nobody will ever do so.
Oops. "return" shouldn't default to "submit."
Anyhoo,
Aren't internet companies' offices and servers located in one or more municipalities located here in the Land of the Pretty-Much-Free? Don't they benefit from that? It seems to me that they get all kinds of cool stuff like roads, publicly educated employees, clean water, safe streets, redress of grievances, law enforcement, et expensive tax-funded cetera. Is there some reason that a company based in Palo Alto should be exempt from taxes because it sells through web servers when the one next door that has customers walk in or order by mail isn't?
Please help me out here 'cause I'm really confused.
Did it not occur to anybody else that using a
service like this is just screaming, "I am a [participle] criminal in the sense of child molester or murderer?"
Trying to make yourself anonymous and untraceable is nothing remotely like civil disobedience. It's criminal, plain and simple, and it's long past time we stopped pretending it was anything else.
In this case, you do it by remembering that 95% of the population of Canada lives in a strip along the border of the US about 160 km wide. Simply dividing n jillion square klicks of wheat fields, tundra, snow field, etc. by a population that doesn't live there is a very distressing and unhelpful way to look at the problem. Cheer up! :)
Done right, this could be a great way for people :)
to get the stability of Linux along with the stuff
that's not yet getting any porting money.