Lots of people are saying Linux didn't have DMA turned on, and that's the reason for the low scores. You can see on Slide 41 that hdparm is mentioned with the -d flag. I think that means that he turned it on, ladies and gentleman. ----------------------------
Really, then please tell me what the three servers I've been playing with today are. Well, okay, they're not quite that big, after all they're basically FTP servers to carry away the data generated by the big machine. (little ones: 1 PIII/800, 1G of RAM, 2 RAID-1 arrays. big one: 14 Ultrasparcs with 8MB cache for each, 14 gigs of ram, and a whompingly large RAID array on fibre channel).
Big machines do exist, and are quite common among the set of people who keep their load averages over 1, and don't run seti or dnetc. After all, am I supposed to tell my company 'yeah, I know we've got a couple hundred million bucks in the bank, but I really think we should run the mission critical apps on cheap PC hardware'. ----------------------------
More opportunity. Trojan horses are easier to get as user, as it is to exploit problems with pine or lynx and such. Not to mention the much higher likelihood that you can sniff a user account's password, or that if you crack a password file, odds are good that the users will choose weaker passwords than root.
How about the recent problems in BitchX (made me glad that I had been running BitchX in a well-supervised chroot for quite a while), that would also get you a user account.
Just a note, I thought about getting one of these to replace my daily driver as my daily commuting car is a Chrysler LHS which averages about 17mpg for me (you can get 27mpg on long highway drives, but my commute is not a long highway drive).
Then I realized that while I would get a fuzzy little feeling for the environment, I would get a much less comfortable car and not really save any money. Let's say I plan to keep the car for 100K miles.
At 17 MPG I'll use about 5900 gallons of gas, at 50 MPG (I drive fast, I won't get 70), I'll use about 2000 gallons. So this incredibly economical car which a) wouldn't seat four adults comfortably, b) hold four set of golf clubs or c) cruise comfortably at 100MPH, would save me about $6630 over the life of the car.
Maybe I'm just a bastard, but no thanks. ----------------------------
you can do something like this with redhat kickstart installs. Once you get them working (fairly trivial, though mkkickstart doesn't really work out of the box) you can install software with about two minutes of human interaction, and then a varying amount for the rest, depending on how many packages are getting installed. You can also add any custom RPMs to the list, so as long as you know how to roll an RPM you're golden.
If you don't know how to roll an RPM then just check out www.rpm.org which includes a lot of helpful reference material, including the slightly outdated but exceedingly thorough Maximum RPM available in Postscript or LaTeX.
Yes, and car dealerships should stop bothering with gates and locks on the cars. After all, the problem is with car thieves. If they would just let anybody drive off with a car, it'd make many more cars available for legitimate purposes, like test drives.
I say unlock the cars, leave the keys in the ignition, and go after the car thieves. ----------------------------
Yep, it'd be on Fox, or Cinemax. Or maybe it'd just be Pay-Per-View. After seeing the latest Esquire (girls of the summer games), I think that'd probably make some serious money. ----------------------------
Actually I remember a massive amount of people complaining about how Netscape was destroying the web with it's proprietary changes. 'NetRape' was a fairly common moniker in the circle of people who were strong standards advocates.
Unfortunately Microsoft is in a much better position of power than Netscape ever could be. They have millions and millions of users who don't know what they're doing, and don't realize that their calendar is only visible with IE and why that's not a good thing.
Sometimes I wonder when Bill Gates will finally say 'okay, now I've shown those kids who used to beat me up that I'm better than them.' ----------------------------
No, if drug education didn't consist of 'all drugs will destroy you' I don't think it would've happened. We all realized 'wait a minute, weed isn't bad' and it just sort of went from there.
You see, when you're told that they're ALL evil and you discover that one of them isn't really evil at all, you underestimate the dangers of the others as the entire education method has now been discredited. ----------------------------
Nope never had that... but I have been sold weed laced with dust. As for the other lacings, I've seen dealers who would do lots of things that don't make sense because they were too messed up.
Hell, a good friend of mine used to be a drug dealer... she lost money while doing it. She kept on telling people 'you're not high enough' and just giving them drugs.
Though you're right, it's exceedingly rare to find such things. And the E laced with coke thing doesn't make much sense to me. E that's laced with speed, hell yeah, but coke? doesn't make sense. ----------------------------
Then surely you agree that it could save lives to have information on what to do to take care of a heroin user. Surely you agree it's better to teach the horrors of drugs, than to pretend they don't exist.
If nobody knows what happens, and we're told that marajuana and heroin are the same by the partnership for a drug-free america, how can we keep our youth from discovering the danger of heroin the way you did, or the way i did (high school sweetheart overdosed on it... died) ----------------------------
I haven't released lots of things open source, but I've probably released about... ten thousand lines or so of stuff that I wrote for something at work that's not specific to what I do for a living.
If I give you the source for our main product, we're out of business. If, however, I give you a C++ class that's capable of doing mundane task X or Y, then we both win, since while you save time by using it, I gain stability by having it get thoroughly debugged by other eyes. ----------------------------
You're right, closed software is bad, and evil. Nobody should ever get a job that requires them to write closed-source code. After all, I can pay rent by trading 12 hours of consulting time, right? And after I take a date out to a nice meal, well hopefully the restaurant will take 2 hours of consulting as payment rather than requiring me to fork over five hundred bucks of actual currancy.
I love open source software, use it all the time at work, and I've submitted lots of patches to lots of projects. In my group, between all the employees, we have write access to an inordinate amount of cvs repositories... but well... we don't release our proprietary code.
Does that make me bad? Does that make me evil?
If so, please show me how to grow a money tree... I planted a dollar bill when I was six, but it never quite managed to grow. ----------------------------
It's for me. Just spec'd out a system that uses this, because it made my IT guys happy, since they're not big on the Linux thing. $2k for a year of support is nothing. Literally, nothing.
The servers that are in the cluster all cost > $40k, and the importance of uptime is critical. So the IT guys said 'could we have something in a shiny box' and I said 'hell yeah'. After all, if something fails at 3am, I sure as hell don't want them calling ME.
Besides, unless I could finish the whole design/code/debug process by myself, without QA, in under a week, it'll cost us more than $2k anyway just in my salary. ----------------------------
having read that I quick checked my cookies file and discovered that my id was no longer opt_out.
i'm not implying some sort of conspiracy theory, but i am curious as to how this happened (linux netscape 4.7 on freebsd 3.5)
i quick wrote a little app to check the cookies file and tossed it in a cron job so i can try to find out what causes this, but in the meantime, anybody have any ideas other than user error? ----------------------------
I think we all know that region-free, macrovision-free DVD players are a dime a dozen. I have three of them, an Apex, a modified Pioneer and a modified Philips. As for not being able to purchase things that aren't sold in your country, please explain why there is a Playstation 2 in my Pennsylvanian abode, or why so many of my DVDs have region numbers other than 1. ----------------------------
then preview it until it doesn't look like somebody puked the ravings of a 17 year old windows user all over your comment. ----------------------------
regarding your user page with high-scored posts, i have four words for you. signal 11, troll extraordinaire. High scores have little to no correlation to the likelihood that you're trolling. Though I actually don't think you're trolling. ----------------------------
ah, yes, thank you for the stats on your neighborhood... i see violent crime is a 184% of the national average, and non-violent crime is 226% of average. ----------------------------
In the nicer parts of America, that's how CDs are sold. It's only in high-loss neighborhoods that you'll find those horrid cd protectors that do a great job of making the useful display space disappear. ----------------------------
Paper and cardboard actually make up the largest part of our waste stream, and not only do that generally not degrade well, in modern landfills, but the slick looking cardboard boxes of today's software have all sorts of nastiness associated with their disposal anyway. But as previously noted, fuck the environment, after all, if it was a big problem, then surely it would be on the evening news along with the little cuban boy, right? ----------------------------
let's assume, just for an example, that the average software box is 10 inches high, 8 inches wide and 1 1/2 inches deep. Now let's say that this slightly larger box is 12 inches high, 12 inches wide, and 2 1/2 inches deep. Finally, we'll declare that a CD is approximately 5 inches, by 5 1/2 inches by 1/4 inch.
So it seems that the slightly bigger box uses 3 times the volume of the average box, and about 51 times the volume of a jewel case. But who cares about the environment, we've got product to sell, and it looks damned fine in a large box.
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Lots of people are saying Linux didn't have DMA turned on, and that's the reason for the low scores. You can see on Slide 41 that hdparm is mentioned with the -d flag. I think that means that he turned it on, ladies and gentleman.
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Really, then please tell me what the three servers I've been playing with today are. Well, okay, they're not quite that big, after all they're basically FTP servers to carry away the data generated by the big machine. (little ones: 1 PIII/800, 1G of RAM, 2 RAID-1 arrays. big one: 14 Ultrasparcs with 8MB cache for each, 14 gigs of ram, and a whompingly large RAID array on fibre channel).
Big machines do exist, and are quite common among the set of people who keep their load averages over 1, and don't run seti or dnetc. After all, am I supposed to tell my company 'yeah, I know we've got a couple hundred million bucks in the bank, but I really think we should run the mission critical apps on cheap PC hardware'.
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More opportunity. Trojan horses are easier to get as user, as it is to exploit problems with pine or lynx and such. Not to mention the much higher likelihood that you can sniff a user account's password, or that if you crack a password file, odds are good that the users will choose weaker passwords than root.
How about the recent problems in BitchX (made me glad that I had been running BitchX in a well-supervised chroot for quite a while), that would also get you a user account.
etc etc etc
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Just a note, I thought about getting one of these to replace my daily driver as my daily commuting car is a Chrysler LHS which averages about 17mpg for me (you can get 27mpg on long highway drives, but my commute is not a long highway drive).
Then I realized that while I would get a fuzzy little feeling for the environment, I would get a much less comfortable car and not really save any money. Let's say I plan to keep the car for 100K miles.
At 17 MPG I'll use about 5900 gallons of gas, at 50 MPG (I drive fast, I won't get 70), I'll use about 2000 gallons. So this incredibly economical car which a) wouldn't seat four adults comfortably, b) hold four set of golf clubs or c) cruise comfortably at 100MPH, would save me about $6630 over the life of the car.
Maybe I'm just a bastard, but no thanks.
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you can do something like this with redhat kickstart installs. Once you get them working (fairly trivial, though mkkickstart doesn't really work out of the box) you can install software with about two minutes of human interaction, and then a varying amount for the rest, depending on how many packages are getting installed. You can also add any custom RPMs to the list, so as long as you know how to roll an RPM you're golden.
If you don't know how to roll an RPM then just check out www.rpm.org which includes a lot of helpful reference material, including the slightly outdated but exceedingly thorough Maximum RPM available in Postscript or LaTeX.
----------------------------
Yes, and car dealerships should stop bothering with gates and locks on the cars. After all, the problem is with car thieves. If they would just let anybody drive off with a car, it'd make many more cars available for legitimate purposes, like test drives.
I say unlock the cars, leave the keys in the ignition, and go after the car thieves.
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Yep, it'd be on Fox, or Cinemax. Or maybe it'd just be Pay-Per-View. After seeing the latest Esquire (girls of the summer games), I think that'd probably make some serious money.
----------------------------
Actually I remember a massive amount of people complaining about how Netscape was destroying the web with it's proprietary changes. 'NetRape' was a fairly common moniker in the circle of people who were strong standards advocates.
Unfortunately Microsoft is in a much better position of power than Netscape ever could be. They have millions and millions of users who don't know what they're doing, and don't realize that their calendar is only visible with IE and why that's not a good thing.
Sometimes I wonder when Bill Gates will finally say 'okay, now I've shown those kids who used to beat me up that I'm better than them.'
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No, if drug education didn't consist of 'all drugs will destroy you' I don't think it would've happened. We all realized 'wait a minute, weed isn't bad' and it just sort of went from there.
You see, when you're told that they're ALL evil and you discover that one of them isn't really evil at all, you underestimate the dangers of the others as the entire education method has now been discredited.
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Nope never had that... but I have been sold weed laced with dust. As for the other lacings, I've seen dealers who would do lots of things that don't make sense because they were too messed up.
Hell, a good friend of mine used to be a drug dealer... she lost money while doing it. She kept on telling people 'you're not high enough' and just giving them drugs.
Though you're right, it's exceedingly rare to find such things. And the E laced with coke thing doesn't make much sense to me. E that's laced with speed, hell yeah, but coke? doesn't make sense.
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Then surely you agree that it could save lives to have information on what to do to take care of a heroin user. Surely you agree it's better to teach the horrors of drugs, than to pretend they don't exist.
If nobody knows what happens, and we're told that marajuana and heroin are the same by the partnership for a drug-free america, how can we keep our youth from discovering the danger of heroin the way you did, or the way i did (high school sweetheart overdosed on it... died)
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I haven't released lots of things open source, but I've probably released about... ten thousand lines or so of stuff that I wrote for something at work that's not specific to what I do for a living.
If I give you the source for our main product, we're out of business. If, however, I give you a C++ class that's capable of doing mundane task X or Y, then we both win, since while you save time by using it, I gain stability by having it get thoroughly debugged by other eyes.
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You're right, closed software is bad, and evil. Nobody should ever get a job that requires them to write closed-source code. After all, I can pay rent by trading 12 hours of consulting time, right? And after I take a date out to a nice meal, well hopefully the restaurant will take 2 hours of consulting as payment rather than requiring me to fork over five hundred bucks of actual currancy.
I love open source software, use it all the time at work, and I've submitted lots of patches to lots of projects. In my group, between all the employees, we have write access to an inordinate amount of cvs repositories... but well... we don't release our proprietary code.
Does that make me bad? Does that make me evil?
If so, please show me how to grow a money tree... I planted a dollar bill when I was six, but it never quite managed to grow.
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It's for me. Just spec'd out a system that uses this, because it made my IT guys happy, since they're not big on the Linux thing. $2k for a year of support is nothing. Literally, nothing.
The servers that are in the cluster all cost > $40k, and the importance of uptime is critical. So the IT guys said 'could we have something in a shiny box' and I said 'hell yeah'. After all, if something fails at 3am, I sure as hell don't want them calling ME.
Besides, unless I could finish the whole design/code/debug process by myself, without QA, in under a week, it'll cost us more than $2k anyway just in my salary.
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having read that I quick checked my cookies file and discovered that my id was no longer opt_out.
i'm not implying some sort of conspiracy theory, but i am curious as to how this happened (linux netscape 4.7 on freebsd 3.5)
i quick wrote a little app to check the cookies file and tossed it in a cron job so i can try to find out what causes this, but in the meantime, anybody have any ideas other than user error?
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I think we all know that region-free, macrovision-free DVD players are a dime a dozen. I have three of them, an Apex, a modified Pioneer and a modified Philips. As for not being able to purchase things that aren't sold in your country, please explain why there is a Playstation 2 in my Pennsylvanian abode, or why so many of my DVDs have region numbers other than 1.
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then preview it until it doesn't look like somebody puked the ravings of a 17 year old windows user all over your comment.
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regarding your user page with high-scored posts, i have four words for you. signal 11, troll extraordinaire. High scores have little to no correlation to the likelihood that you're trolling. Though I actually don't think you're trolling.
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ah, yes, thank you for the stats on your neighborhood... i see violent crime is a 184% of the national average, and non-violent crime is 226% of average.
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Sure, there are lots of them, think professional recording gear and a pair of Sennheisers.
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Last time I checked, you've never lived in Canada and ordered something from America.
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In the nicer parts of America, that's how CDs are sold. It's only in high-loss neighborhoods that you'll find those horrid cd protectors that do a great job of making the useful display space disappear.
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Paper and cardboard actually make up the largest part of our waste stream, and not only do that generally not degrade well, in modern landfills, but the slick looking cardboard boxes of today's software have all sorts of nastiness associated with their disposal anyway. But as previously noted, fuck the environment, after all, if it was a big problem, then surely it would be on the evening news along with the little cuban boy, right?
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let's assume, just for an example, that the average software box is 10 inches high, 8 inches wide and 1 1/2 inches deep. Now let's say that this slightly larger box is 12 inches high, 12 inches wide, and 2 1/2 inches deep. Finally, we'll declare that a CD is approximately 5 inches, by 5 1/2 inches by 1/4 inch.
Box 1 Box 2 CDSurface Area(sq.in.) 214 408 60
Volume(cu.in.) 120 360 7
So it seems that the slightly bigger box uses 3 times the volume of the average box, and about 51 times the volume of a jewel case. But who cares about the environment, we've got product to sell, and it looks damned fine in a large box.
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cipherpunk/cipherpunk
(you're welcome)
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