The problem is who decides? I don't think this is what corporations should do, or are qualified to judge. This is what courts and governments are for. If the courts deem said website violates the first amendment then it needs to be brought down. If the courts judge that this group is a terrorist organization then... I'm conflicted - what if a government declares its opponents as ipso facto terrorists? Should it have that kind of power? I don't think so.
In fact I don't even think that the government has the right to force the pages to be brought down.
I think that some speech is not protected, not in the fact that it can be legally prevented, but that one is liable for the actions taken by others.
Saying "White People are the cause of the world's problems" is racist, stupid and evil.
Saying "Black People are stupid, violent, and shouldn't be in the United States" is racist, stupid and evil.
Saying unbelievers are ignorant pigs and not worthy of respects" is stupid and evil.
But it is still protected speech (in my book) and the Supreme Court.
Saying "kill all whites / blacks / unbelievers now" is incitement to direct violence and is not protected speech. Meaning, that should someone in the crowd act upon your exhortations that you are to be held liable for the deaths of those innocent people. You can say what you did, and that's not being prevented, but you are now liable for the repercussions.
So the Iman in florida who was promoting the death of gays (if it can be proved that he said "kill gays") should be held as a responsible party for the Orlando massacre.
Let's take the "falsely cry fire in a crowded theater" argument. You can say it. But if there is damage, injuries or death - you are held as a responsible party, irrespective of your right to free speech.
Japan recognizes Bitcoin as a legal form of payment. This helps, not hurt, Bitcoin. If they considered Bitcoin harmful they would not have done that. One of the factors pushing Bitcoin up to such high levels is the Japanese consumer who is now empowered by the Japanese government legalizing Bitcoin.
The US is becoming less so as the left is becoming more like China's Red Guard with its calls to destroy the Four Olds: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas.
Americans aren't the fastest. Not even in the TOP 10, as sad as that is. And China is coming on fast. I was in Shanghai and Beijing last year and there were many more fat people than there are here in NYC. Obviously the countryside is different - but comparing city to city, China was way fatter.
And don't forget they get these figures by BMI. I not fat by any stretch of the imagination. I'm 5'10 and wear 32 or 33" jeans and my BMI is 28 (considered overweight). People that go the gym, even buff guys, are, by definition overweight / obese.
Was the US like Somalia in the 1790s? Were Madison and Jefferson anarchists?
You can have rule of law; courts a government empowered to do some things (but not all things at whim) and not have anarchy.
Somalia has no rule of law; no agreed upon Constitution. You need to get out more: read the US Constitution; the Federalist Papers; the Anti-Federalist Papers; de tocqueville and others. A constitutionally limited government is not anarchy.
Keep battling that straw man brother it makes you stronger.
Let these fukwads have their get together. Don't protest them. Don't go there. Don't give them attention. They'll post their garbage on youtube and whatever and we get on with our lives.
Now going there with bats and trying to bash a fash means you give them air time; you create sh!t for no reason - and on top of all that you're attacking free speech and freedom of assembly at the same time that you're bashing a fash.
So. What did we gain? Nothing. Now we got 1000s of people coming out of the woodwork denigrating freedom of speech because in this one instance it helps a bunch of fascist idiots.
Muslims - on tape, in the US saying kill jews and atheists. If white racists are to be banned for hate speech then shouldn't that be as well?
BLM activist, a professor, saying less white people is a good thing; that white people are the problem. If KKK said that about black people would you be outraged and OK with preventing them from speaking.
A bakery must sell to everyone. (There was a lawsuit over decorating a cake for a gay wedding - maybe you heard of it.) If that's so then the same should be so for Facebook, WordPress, Twitter. One must sell to all.
I'm for free speech - that includes the speech of those which I consider to be abhorrent.
So now some people are protected and some not. Some ideas are protected and some not.
By the way f**k fascists and f**k socialists and f**k racists - but a free society values free speech.
You realize these dipwads held get togethers for years and zero violence and zero coverage. Now, thanks to anti-free speech people like you they're all over the news. The f**king Streisand Affect all over again.
No. They must bake the cake regardless of the symbols. And you mixed things up- the bakery is not a meeting place so holding a meeting there - no matter the meeting is not part and parcel of what they're selling to the general public.
It is not up to Staples to decide whether or not they like what you're going to say before they sell you paper. Or Bic before selling a pen. Or Toshiba before selling you a laptop. Or Wordpress before selling you use of their CMS.
Else we can then say - why are you selling to Muslims who are promoting the death of gays and atheists? Or Christians who are promoting anti-abortion rallies. Or anything else people disagree with.
The argument made for the bakery is that a company selling to the general public must sell its product to everyone regardless of terms and conditions. Otherwise said bakery could have a written and posted term and condition that exempts them from decorating gay themed wedding cakes.
That is not flamebait. It's the truth. The more idiots call everything they don't like to be fascist the more that word is diluted to the point of irrelevancy. The OP is correct. Fascism is primarily an economic model. Nazism adds race to the equation.
Same as muslims calling for the execution of atheists and gays? Shut them down too?
How about BLM saying there are "too many white people"?
A business that is open to the general public must serve the general public. A bakery must sell to all customers and WordPress must sell to all customers.
Sorry. Doesn't work that way. In that case saying there are "too many white people", or "white people are the problem" should also be prohibited. Or calling for Sharia law (killing of gays and atheists) should also be banned, and certainly imans calling for the death of jews and non-believers should be arrested.
Should we arrest Farrakhan? How about Jeremiah Wright?
You forgot the First Amendment? It doesn't allow for direct calls for individual violence but it allows all hate speech. (The imans in the case above, in my view, crosses the line into incitement to violence.
Furthermore if a bakery is required to sell to everyone as it is a public business - the same goes for Google and Twitter and all other tech companies.
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Did you (or the OP) not say that corporations were evil. Did you not write that I should be in favor of places with NO government such as Somalia?
That is what I replied to: Being for small, constitutionally limited government does not mean that one is for Somalia type anarchy.
The problem is who decides? I don't think this is what corporations should do, or are qualified to judge. This is what courts and governments are for. If the courts deem said website violates the first amendment then it needs to be brought down. If the courts judge that this group is a terrorist organization then ... I'm conflicted - what if a government declares its opponents as ipso facto terrorists? Should it have that kind of power? I don't think so.
In fact I don't even think that the government has the right to force the pages to be brought down.
I think that some speech is not protected, not in the fact that it can be legally prevented, but that one is liable for the actions taken by others.
Saying "White People are the cause of the world's problems" is racist, stupid and evil.
Saying "Black People are stupid, violent, and shouldn't be in the United States" is racist, stupid and evil.
Saying unbelievers are ignorant pigs and not worthy of respects" is stupid and evil.
But it is still protected speech (in my book) and the Supreme Court.
Saying "kill all whites / blacks / unbelievers now" is incitement to direct violence and is not protected speech. Meaning, that should someone in the crowd act upon your exhortations that you are to be held liable for the deaths of those innocent people. You can say what you did, and that's not being prevented, but you are now liable for the repercussions.
So the Iman in florida who was promoting the death of gays (if it can be proved that he said "kill gays") should be held as a responsible party for the Orlando massacre.
Let's take the "falsely cry fire in a crowded theater" argument. You can say it. But if there is damage, injuries or death - you are held as a responsible party, irrespective of your right to free speech.
Japan recognizes Bitcoin as a legal form of payment. This helps, not hurt, Bitcoin. If they considered Bitcoin harmful they would not have done that. One of the factors pushing Bitcoin up to such high levels is the Japanese consumer who is now empowered by the Japanese government legalizing Bitcoin.
https://www.coindesk.com/japan...
Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000 Due to Strong Japanese Demand: CNBC
https://cointelegraph.com/news......
The US is becoming less so as the left is becoming more like China's Red Guard with its calls to destroy the Four Olds: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas.
So, it would be healthier for me to lose muscle? Stop doing squats and stop benching?
I thought it was ones body fat level that was a concern.
Americans aren't the fastest. Not even in the TOP 10, as sad as that is. And China is coming on fast. I was in Shanghai and Beijing last year and there were many more fat people than there are here in NYC. Obviously the countryside is different - but comparing city to city, China was way fatter.
And don't forget they get these figures by BMI. I not fat by any stretch of the imagination. I'm 5'10 and wear 32 or 33" jeans and my BMI is 28 (considered overweight). People that go the gym, even buff guys, are, by definition overweight / obese.
Mike Tyson, in his heyday, was obese.
Unlike what the wonderful altruistic, forward-thinking Socialists have done in Venezuela?
Oh. Right. That wasn't TRUE socialism. Gotcha.
Should be:
So a bakery or Woolworths can deny service to anyone they want for whatever reasons they want.
So a bakery of Woolworths can deny service to anyone they want for whatever reasons they want.
good point!
Wish I had mod points
Searched him up. Interesting tidbits.
https://blog.0day.rocks/@x0rz
Furthermore, I haven't seen any notices about said occurrence in the notices they send out,
It looks bad. It's a great service - or at least I hope so :{
The promise is simple, secure email, from a privacy loving company and backed by a country that seems to respect privacy (Switzerland)
You seem to think that an all powerful government is good and that corporations are by design bad.
Being for small government does not mean that one is for Somalia type anarchy - that is what I meant by straw man argument.
Oh really. That tripe again?
Was the US like Somalia in the 1790s? Were Madison and Jefferson anarchists?
You can have rule of law; courts a government empowered to do some things (but not all things at whim) and not have anarchy.
Somalia has no rule of law; no agreed upon Constitution. You need to get out more: read the US Constitution; the Federalist Papers; the Anti-Federalist Papers; de tocqueville and others. A constitutionally limited government is not anarchy.
Keep battling that straw man brother it makes you stronger.
companies are evil. they're greedy as fuck. they will choose the cheaper option 999 times of 1000 without any other considerations.
AND
government officials always have the betterment of humanity in mind and are always good and wonderful and chose the best option 999 out of a 1000.
Just come to Venezuela and see Great Government in Action.
No. You read it wrong.
Let these fukwads have their get together. Don't protest them. Don't go there. Don't give them attention. They'll post their garbage on youtube and whatever and we get on with our lives.
Now going there with bats and trying to bash a fash means you give them air time; you create sh!t for no reason - and on top of all that you're attacking free speech and freedom of assembly at the same time that you're bashing a fash.
So. What did we gain? Nothing. Now we got 1000s of people coming out of the woodwork denigrating freedom of speech because in this one instance it helps a bunch of fascist idiots.
Muslims - on tape, in the US saying kill jews and atheists. If white racists are to be banned for hate speech then shouldn't that be as well?
BLM activist, a professor, saying less white people is a good thing; that white people are the problem. If KKK said that about black people would you be outraged and OK with preventing them from speaking.
A bakery must sell to everyone. (There was a lawsuit over decorating a cake for a gay wedding - maybe you heard of it.) If that's so then the same should be so for Facebook, WordPress, Twitter. One must sell to all.
I'm for free speech - that includes the speech of those which I consider to be abhorrent.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
So now some people are protected and some not. Some ideas are protected and some not.
By the way f**k fascists and f**k socialists and f**k racists - but a free society values free speech.
You realize these dipwads held get togethers for years and zero violence and zero coverage. Now, thanks to anti-free speech people like you they're all over the news. The f**king Streisand Affect all over again.
No. They must bake the cake regardless of the symbols. And you mixed things up- the bakery is not a meeting place so holding a meeting there - no matter the meeting is not part and parcel of what they're selling to the general public.
It is not up to Staples to decide whether or not they like what you're going to say before they sell you paper. Or Bic before selling a pen. Or Toshiba before selling you a laptop. Or Wordpress before selling you use of their CMS.
Else we can then say - why are you selling to Muslims who are promoting the death of gays and atheists? Or Christians who are promoting anti-abortion rallies. Or anything else people disagree with.
So we don't have imans preaching hate and death to jews, atheists and gays here in the United States? Really?
Did you miss BLM members saying "too may whites?" Really? Look up the Trinity Professor: Johnny Eric Williams. You missed that?
The argument made for the bakery is that a company selling to the general public must sell its product to everyone regardless of terms and conditions. Otherwise said bakery could have a written and posted term and condition that exempts them from decorating gay themed wedding cakes.
That is not flamebait. It's the truth. The more idiots call everything they don't like to be fascist the more that word is diluted to the point of irrelevancy. The OP is correct. Fascism is primarily an economic model. Nazism adds race to the equation.
Same as muslims calling for the execution of atheists and gays? Shut them down too?
How about BLM saying there are "too many white people"?
A business that is open to the general public must serve the general public. A bakery must sell to all customers and WordPress must sell to all customers.
Sorry. Doesn't work that way. In that case saying there are "too many white people", or "white people are the problem" should also be prohibited. Or calling for Sharia law (killing of gays and atheists) should also be banned, and certainly imans calling for the death of jews and non-believers should be arrested.
Should we arrest Farrakhan? How about Jeremiah Wright?
You forgot the First Amendment? It doesn't allow for direct calls for individual violence but it allows all hate speech. (The imans in the case above, in my view, crosses the line into incitement to violence.
Furthermore if a bakery is required to sell to everyone as it is a public business - the same goes for Google and Twitter and all other tech companies.