Right, so if jobs are not outsourced, does the average indian programmer get a chance at competing for your job?
No, because he's in India. "no one gets excluded", eh?
Sure, he could come to the US, but he probably wouldn't get a visa. Similarly, you're completely free to go to India and compete for that outsourced job. Go on then.
I increasingly get the feeling that SCO are just slowly going through make menuconfig item by item and trying to claim ownership to each bit. You just wait until they reach 'Device Drivers'.
When sendmail was written, Microsoft were only just getting off the ground. And it hasn't changed much since Microsoft still thought the internet was a fad.
XGI, S3/Via and anyone else who wants to get into the 3d card market, write full featured DRI drivers for linux and GPL them. They will become the geek's choice standard in no time. Especially with all of this xorg/dri/composite/glitz/cairo stuff coming along.
Surely he has just said that open source is more efficient.
If fewer people are having to be employed to do something, that must mean that the process of sharing and having standards is working more efficiently. Surely that's more economical for a business, as they're having to fork out less for these things.
What he's advocating is creating a false economy of software and 'technology' by having a hideously ineffective development and business process.
Or is that an oversimplified concept of economics?
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With the outsourcing comment, you're making one of two points:
1. People's jobs are being replaced by an object.
2. People's jobs are being moved out to India and similar places.
In response to:
1. Get used to it - it's not new. That's what technology does. That's one of the points of technology: replacing humans. Do you also oppose tractors because they steal jobs from honest hard working farm hands? Do you curse the day the weaving loom or spinning jenny were invented? Surely you shouldn't even be posting using this devlilsh electrons controlling electrons black magick, robbing work from telegram boys.
2. Ah-boo-hoo. What makes you think you have any more right to a job than someone in India?
But with this comes the down side to all open source projects: Fragmentation.
FUD. How many pythons are there? How many perls are there? How many rubys?
On the other hand, let's look at a language that traditionally has proprietary interpreters. Smalltalk. How many smalltalks are there? About 6. From what I can remember.
But more importantly, say you're writing a bunch of your code in java. What happens if sun decides to discontinue java? Or if sun goes bust? That's fine for now, we have the tools. But what happens in 3 years time when technology moves on and linux has changed its' ABI again or windows gets a major update and java won't run?
Or perhaps the whole world has moved on to a new platform. People start to abandon x86 or move to a new flavour of it (like the emergence of amd64). Maybe sun isn't around or just doesn't want to port java to your new platform. You're stuck. And all that code you've spent all those years writing is in limbo. It can't be run on modern machines. And if Sun and java still are around, they can dictate what hardware / os platform you migrate your apps to by selectively porting java to them.
Face it. While you're writing your software in a closed java, Sun basically has you up the arse.
Yes the BSD lincenses may appear more free, but as they have no restrictions, they are actually less free than the GPL. You see, restricting the end user more actually makes them more free than not putting restrictions on them. You must be a dumb luser for not understanding this....
"Without rules, society has no freedom."
Society has a rule against murder. Would making murder legal give a more free society? No.
That may have been how patents used to work, but it isn't anymore. The way patents work nowadays is a large company hires a 'research' department, locks them away in a basement and tells them basically: 'patent every single thing you can come up with'. The company does this to build up a patent portfolio which it then uses as munitions for legal wars. That is all. Software development is left to the big guys.
What's more, there are so many patents over software and they will soon be so fiercely defended that it means little guys won't have a chance at all, regardless of whether they want to release it for free or make a buck. You see, the sheer volume of broad patents means it is impossible to know if your small program is violating anything unless you have a massive legal deapartment going through everything for you. Hence, software development is left to the big guys.
And if software patents are supposed to protect the little guy's ideas, can you think of a single recent case where this has happened? A little guy has patented a software idea that has gone on to become very successful and not trampled by large corps? I can't either. If your argument were true we'd have loads of these small companies with patented ideas being very successful.
To further make my point, we also have large companies trading patents. This is not good. The 'innovator' as you like to call them is no longer the person making money off the patent and it allows large companies to buy up large scary portfolios to push other people out of the market. Let's take Microsoft. Recently they bought up a load of OpenGL patents from SGI. This is not good. Microsoft are a company who are trying to push their own 'technology' (Direct3D) over OpenGL. We are near to a position here where OpenGL could have a stop called to it by Microsoft because it owns vital patents.
At one point in the SCO / BayStar / Microsoft / Novell fiacso we (allegedly) had a situation where Microsoft were close to acquiring vital patents over Unix. Can you imagine what would happen if one company held patents over the two dominant operating system technologies? Even though this didn't happen this time, there's nothing to stop it happening in the future. All it would take is a buyout of Novell or Sun for example.
By the way, patents are the reason why Sun got 1.6bil$ from Microsoft. Without patents, Microsoft could have just trample Sun into the ground without bothering to spend a dime.
Why should I care? This is irrelevant. $1b Doesn't even make a dent in Microsoft's finances. It makes no difference. Neither of these two are by any stretch of the imagination a 'little guy'. You think I should be on the side of Sun here just because they're fighting Microsoft? If it were something over antitrust I mgiht be interested, but as it is, it's just two dinosaurs hurling patent portfolios* at each other. It's only lawyers who win here.
* - Patents that have by now been totally seperated from their original 'innovation'.
Firstly, you are a troll (with a hangover from the late nineties).
But.
If you're writing internal code you can do anything you want. If you're not releasing it and only using it in house, you don't have to pay anything. You can do anything you want to GPL code, fuck it up, strangle it, string it up, beat it up, cut it down the middle, whatever, as long as you're not trying to re-release it afterwards with a less restrictive licence.
What's more, if you're writing an app that you are going to release, as long as you release it under the GPL, that's fine.
However, if you're writing an app that you hope to make money out of (a closed app that you do release) you have to give trolltech their dues. It's only fair, you're trying to make money using their toolkit. Plus, if you're making money out of a released app, you're easily going to be able to afford the per developer licence.
Nicely put. I worked as a graphic designer for a while and had to use photoshop (7) all day.
It was a complete pain in the arse, I chose to use GIMP at home because I preferred it. Massively.
There is a strange culture of people who think photoshop is some sort of holy grail. Those people tend to be the people who haven't actually had to use it much. If they did, they would realise photoshop sucks.
And any person who calls themselves a graphic designer and can't easily switch from photoshop to GIMP (apart from the obvious CMYK deficiencies) ain't much of a graphic designer. There is a difference between a graphic designer and and someone wot has been told which buttons ta' press to make teh perty pictures.
Other than the reasons pointed out by the other people already, it's because when you have a bunch of files for instance, using YYYYMMDD means that when sorted alphabetically, files appear in the right order.
Take 12th April, 17th December and 15th January for instance.
Written like that, first of all, being put first, the day is the most significant number, so the first thing the files will be sorted as will be the day, which ain't right.
Secondly, month names don't sort in the right order alphabetically either.
Using your naming scheme, those dates wouldn't get put in the right order at all.
Because the people who aren't bothered by the issue don't post. You only hear from the people who are bitching.
You don't get many posts saying "I don't really mind.", do you? Obviously they don't care enough to post. Or at least they're never modded up. You're not seeing a representative sample.
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Right, so if jobs are not outsourced, does the average indian programmer get a chance at competing for your job?
No, because he's in India. "no one gets excluded", eh?
Sure, he could come to the US, but he probably wouldn't get a visa. Similarly, you're completely free to go to India and compete for that outsourced job. Go on then.
I increasingly get the feeling that SCO are just slowly going through make menuconfig item by item and trying to claim ownership to each bit. You just wait until they reach 'Device Drivers'.
What problem can they have with sendmail?
When sendmail was written, Microsoft were only just getting off the ground. And it hasn't changed much since Microsoft still thought the internet was a fad.
Magic! I hadn't heard about this.
I'm gonna try and pick up one of these cards when they're released.
Ah, but I'm willing to bet the market for linux geeks is bigger than the market for gamers who are going to buy a third rate graphics card.
...and I'll say it again.
XGI, S3/Via and anyone else who wants to get into the 3d card market, write full featured DRI drivers for linux and GPL them. They will become the geek's choice standard in no time. Especially with all of this xorg/dri/composite/glitz/cairo stuff coming along.
Objectively speaking for a moment.
Surely he has just said that open source is more efficient.
If fewer people are having to be employed to do something, that must mean that the process of sharing and having standards is working more efficiently. Surely that's more economical for a business, as they're having to fork out less for these things.
What he's advocating is creating a false economy of software and 'technology' by having a hideously ineffective development and business process.
Or is that an oversimplified concept of economics?
...don't put your name over the door!
Well, you could just use a different distribution altogether.
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Quality.
(Alerted to by jdub's blog)
This reminds me of the saying "Nobody ever got fired for choosing Windows".
"No, but it did get someone registered as a sex offender."
With the outsourcing comment, you're making one of two points:
1. People's jobs are being replaced by an object.
2. People's jobs are being moved out to India and similar places.
In response to:
1. Get used to it - it's not new. That's what technology does. That's one of the points of technology: replacing humans. Do you also oppose tractors because they steal jobs from honest hard working farm hands? Do you curse the day the weaving loom or spinning jenny were invented? Surely you shouldn't even be posting using this devlilsh electrons controlling electrons black magick, robbing work from telegram boys.
2. Ah-boo-hoo. What makes you think you have any more right to a job than someone in India?
How "extreme" can webmail be?
But with this comes the down side to all open source projects: Fragmentation.
FUD. How many pythons are there? How many perls are there? How many rubys?
On the other hand, let's look at a language that traditionally has proprietary interpreters. Smalltalk. How many smalltalks are there? About 6. From what I can remember.
But more importantly, say you're writing a bunch of your code in java. What happens if sun decides to discontinue java? Or if sun goes bust? That's fine for now, we have the tools. But what happens in 3 years time when technology moves on and linux has changed its' ABI again or windows gets a major update and java won't run?
Or perhaps the whole world has moved on to a new platform. People start to abandon x86 or move to a new flavour of it (like the emergence of amd64). Maybe sun isn't around or just doesn't want to port java to your new platform. You're stuck. And all that code you've spent all those years writing is in limbo. It can't be run on modern machines. And if Sun and java still are around, they can dictate what hardware / os platform you migrate your apps to by selectively porting java to them.
Face it. While you're writing your software in a closed java, Sun basically has you up the arse.
Mounted on an ordinary robot...
What do you mean 'an ordinary robot'?
Yes the BSD lincenses may appear more free, but as they have no restrictions, they are actually less free than the GPL. You see, restricting the end user more actually makes them more free than not putting restrictions on them. You must be a dumb luser for not understanding this. ...
"Without rules, society has no freedom."
Society has a rule against murder. Would making murder legal give a more free society? No.
Completely false.
That may have been how patents used to work, but it isn't anymore. The way patents work nowadays is a large company hires a 'research' department, locks them away in a basement and tells them basically: 'patent every single thing you can come up with'. The company does this to build up a patent portfolio which it then uses as munitions for legal wars. That is all. Software development is left to the big guys.
What's more, there are so many patents over software and they will soon be so fiercely defended that it means little guys won't have a chance at all, regardless of whether they want to release it for free or make a buck. You see, the sheer volume of broad patents means it is impossible to know if your small program is violating anything unless you have a massive legal deapartment going through everything for you. Hence, software development is left to the big guys.
And if software patents are supposed to protect the little guy's ideas, can you think of a single recent case where this has happened? A little guy has patented a software idea that has gone on to become very successful and not trampled by large corps? I can't either. If your argument were true we'd have loads of these small companies with patented ideas being very successful.
To further make my point, we also have large companies trading patents. This is not good. The 'innovator' as you like to call them is no longer the person making money off the patent and it allows large companies to buy up large scary portfolios to push other people out of the market. Let's take Microsoft. Recently they bought up a load of OpenGL patents from SGI. This is not good. Microsoft are a company who are trying to push their own 'technology' (Direct3D) over OpenGL. We are near to a position here where OpenGL could have a stop called to it by Microsoft because it owns vital patents.
At one point in the SCO / BayStar / Microsoft / Novell fiacso we (allegedly) had a situation where Microsoft were close to acquiring vital patents over Unix. Can you imagine what would happen if one company held patents over the two dominant operating system technologies? Even though this didn't happen this time, there's nothing to stop it happening in the future. All it would take is a buyout of Novell or Sun for example.
By the way, patents are the reason why Sun got 1.6bil$ from Microsoft. Without patents, Microsoft could have just trample Sun into the ground without bothering to spend a dime.
Why should I care? This is irrelevant. $1b Doesn't even make a dent in Microsoft's finances. It makes no difference. Neither of these two are by any stretch of the imagination a 'little guy'. You think I should be on the side of Sun here just because they're fighting Microsoft? If it were something over antitrust I mgiht be interested, but as it is, it's just two dinosaurs hurling patent portfolios* at each other. It's only lawyers who win here.
* - Patents that have by now been totally seperated from their original 'innovation'.
Very good point, and one I was going to make before I saw that you had already posted it.
I think it's the Apple fanboy in him talking and not his logic.
Firstly, you are a troll (with a hangover from the late nineties).
But.
If you're writing internal code you can do anything you want. If you're not releasing it and only using it in house, you don't have to pay anything. You can do anything you want to GPL code, fuck it up, strangle it, string it up, beat it up, cut it down the middle, whatever, as long as you're not trying to re-release it afterwards with a less restrictive licence.
What's more, if you're writing an app that you are going to release, as long as you release it under the GPL, that's fine.
However, if you're writing an app that you hope to make money out of (a closed app that you do release) you have to give trolltech their dues. It's only fair, you're trying to make money using their toolkit. Plus, if you're making money out of a released app, you're easily going to be able to afford the per developer licence.
Nicely put. I worked as a graphic designer for a while and had to use photoshop (7) all day.
It was a complete pain in the arse, I chose to use GIMP at home because I preferred it. Massively.
There is a strange culture of people who think photoshop is some sort of holy grail. Those people tend to be the people who haven't actually had to use it much. If they did, they would realise photoshop sucks.
And any person who calls themselves a graphic designer and can't easily switch from photoshop to GIMP (apart from the obvious CMYK deficiencies) ain't much of a graphic designer. There is a difference between a graphic designer and and someone wot has been told which buttons ta' press to make teh perty pictures.
Yeah but why would you think that your God is looking out for you any more than he is loking out for that guy in India?
(without resorting to jingoism)
Other than the reasons pointed out by the other people already, it's because when you have a bunch of files for instance, using YYYYMMDD means that when sorted alphabetically, files appear in the right order.
Take 12th April, 17th December and 15th January for instance.
Written like that, first of all, being put first, the day is the most significant number, so the first thing the files will be sorted as will be the day, which ain't right.
Secondly, month names don't sort in the right order alphabetically either.
Using your naming scheme, those dates wouldn't get put in the right order at all.
Because the people who aren't bothered by the issue don't post. You only hear from the people who are bitching.
You don't get many posts saying "I don't really mind.", do you? Obviously they don't care enough to post. Or at least they're never modded up. You're not seeing a representative sample.
Greetings earthling.
You seem to be under the impression that slashdot is one huge monolithic ball of opinion.
Yes, there are people on slashdot who bitch about Microsoft software being retarded security wise.
There are also people who are bitching about them bundling a virus scanner.
There is no evidence to say that there is a significant overlap in these groups.
For more information, see Discrete Mathematics.
Owning an Apple is like driving a BMW...
Being a pompous dickhead that's easily sucked in by a marketing ploy?