Before we resort to calling each other names here is an excerpt from Freenets web site:
Freenet itself merely provides the infrastructure for storing and retrieving information, it does not provide an easy-to-use interface for the user. To address this issue we encourage the creation of Freenet clients.
To restate what they've said, they know there isn't an cool looking front end right now because they're been working on the infrastructure. But they encourage all those willing to help to create a client.
We should, of course, come to an informed decision first before donating instead of blindly throwing our money at something. I would even suggest, those leery of donating your money, try donating some time and help the cause.
Assuming, of course, you agree with the philosophy of Freenet. Otherwise donate your time and/or money to another worthy cause.
Yes. That is what I meant. It made sense in my head but it didn't come out quite right. Thanks
I agree with you. The Commodore 64 had a flight simulator written on it. A not too shabby feat back in the day. Nowadays it seems software is more bloated then it used to be.
Some companies want to reduce their time to market and get the product out as fast as possible, skimping on efficiency and quality. I understand that. And some companies don't. I respect that. Where will the line between laziness and efficiency be drawn? Maybe those are the perils of writing extreme large pieces of code?
Then again, my code isn't exactly lean either. *laugh*
I am going to take a trip back to my formidable years, when I was BBSing at the sweet age of 13. And I will disregard the fact I was pretending to be much older.
I remember my favorite sites: the people, the interface, and the online games. Those sites were all free and they rocked. You dialed up in you were in. It wasn't too complicated.
I also remember the other sites which charged a membership fee or some other gimmick to attract people and get them to pay. But I don't remember those sites as much as the free ones.
I know some people did pay the monthly fees but I never stayed on a BBS which did. Maybe it was because they didn't offer the things which I wanted. Or didn't offer a sense of community which I felt on the other BBSes. Plus when you are 13, you spend your money on other things of great importance.
I remember my favorite BBS had get togethers in the park during the summer and we could meet the people behind the aliases. It felt good to belong to such a group. The closest I feel to a sense of "belonging" nowadays is Slashdot. And they don't even have TradeWars.
Sites, as BBSes, will come and go, but it is what you do with them which will create the fondest memories. And being free don't hurt either. If fact it probably helps a lot. Not to say micropayments won't work, but I am from the old school and the best things in life are free.
I think/. needs to have a annual barbecue somewhere. That would be nice.
I am curious about the recent comments about why there is all the hubbub on Ogg Vorbis since bandwidth and computer speeds are increasing. I would like to ask, what is wrong with doing quality work?
I believe amoung the Ogg Vorbis developers many pursuits is to create very efficient code and have that reflected in the size and quality of the bitstreams. I have noticed a similar stream of thought in Perl programmers, who constantly strive to make their code smaller and faster. Goofy bastards.;-)
But it seems some people don't reflect that view and I am just curious as to why. Maybe I am missing something and if so, would like to know.
Here is my thought. Say it were affordable to have a T1 instead of DSL to host my webserver, and I wanted to stream out audio for everyone. If I had a choice of serving out 20 streams at 56kbits or using a different format (Ogg) which will have a smaller bitstream at 56kbit and serve out 30 streams, I would opt for the smaller format to get more streams. It seems to make more sense to me.
And not to mention is it free. I sometimes forget that.
Point well taken. I would run into problems if i were in a band. Is the music I make mine or everyones? (My answer: everyones) There are some artist who consider their music no longer theirs when it gets released to the public. They give it to that public domain chick.
I would buy the music from the artist rather than copying it. I usually support bands by going to their shows, buying a shirt, and possible their album.
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." - Thomas Jefferson
Thanks. I understand and argee with you. Some people only care about what benefits them the most without considering others. And luckily there are many others who care about others.
How am I effected if my doctor takes a cell sample from me? How does that change who I am or what I want from life? My personal philosophy would dictate any data dervived from me would be freely available to the world. But ultimately, the doctor would be doing all the work and can make the final decision.
Think about universities in the same stride. We were told in engineering while working on our senior design project the unversity would get the rights to our project or at least expect part of the profits if we would try to market the design. Regardless if we came up with the idea and did all the work ourselves, the university would claim a stake in it for the use of their facilities and resources.
In the same way, I would be the university trying to get something from someone elses work for using my resources. I think the practice of universities in this area is wrong and so would I be if I were to take a similiar stance.
Out of curtesy and a moral and ethical obligation, i would hope the doctor would ask first before borrowing my code. Regardless, if data dervived from my cells could save people and/or make a difference then point me in a direction and tell me where to pee.
I understand your point but I have a few questions.
Both cases deal with an open sourced project being asked to use another name from a corporation. With this similarity, I don't understand how posting the article on/. is two-faced. Could you explain a little more?
With the OpenSSH vs SSH case, the trademarked name SSH is used witnin the name, OpenSSH. In this case, ListStar is not used in Listar Project. The names are similar, only a two letter difference and what both products offer is comparable.
I agree Samba and Samba2 are very similar and understand enforcing the trademark upon Samba2. It could be analogous to creating a company called Microsoft2. Would OpenMicrosoft be any better?
How close can two products be before they infringe upon each other?
From as far back as I can remember, they were going to try to land it on 433 Eros.
I can't remember the name of the probe sent to the moon a few years back, but they crashed that one with the hopes enough energy would be created to evaporate some water molecules and detect them with a spectrographic telescope.
Either way, i have to admit it is pretty cool to land something on an asteriod. Even if there is no cool Hollywood explosion. I could see The Onion headlines, "Man-made probe blows up asteriod, galaxy."
Please let me know if this is true, right now it is hearsay, but pertinent hearsay.
At a social gathering, a reporter walked up to Einstein and asked him what the speed of light was. Einstein replied that he didn't know.
The report was a taken back, for he was supposedly talking to the smartest person alive and yet Einstein didn't have the answer to a question he must surely know. He asked Einstein why he didn't know and Einstein told the reporter, "if I needed to know, I know where to look."
While our ability to remember some things might be diminishing, at least with PDA's, it allows us to get to the information we desire. We might not know the answer right off but we know where to look for it.
Consider this, the best people suited for traveling to Mars are vegetarians and vegans. They are the most conditioned to not eating (craving) meat and if they eat properly and exercise are in excellent physical condition.
Why does not eating meat come into play? Logistically, when NASA does send the first groups of people to colonize Mars, without new innovations in space travel, sending livestock to Mars is too expensive and plain goofy. And the huge supply of frozen hamburgers will run out without constant supplies sent from Earth.;-)
The cheapest and most effective solution is to simply grow the food there. Live off the land. Water seems to be available and nearly everything necessary for the human body can be gotten from plants. Except vitamin B12. But vitamin suppliments will take care of that. =)
I would recommend some non-commercial radio. If you are in the Philly area listen to WKDU 91.7Fm or over your 'puter at wkdu.org. It's a college radio station and extremely rough around the edges. It rocks. You won't hear top40 or mtv music on it. And if you request some, they'll laugh at you.
Then if you have bandwitdh or live near the Rochester area, listen to WBER 90.1 at wber.monroe.edu. They have commercials but it's done in an interesting way plus they don't play much top40 music.
Pardon me, but wouldn't the biggest incentive to finding the cure for cancer be to cure cancer?
Maybe it is just me but i think it would be better to be known as the person or company that developed the cure for cancer and made it feely available for the world to reap the benefits.
Could you imagine the ad campaigns for that company?
"From the company that brought you the cure for cancer comes..." whatever!
I would rather see people put first than profits. And I would be questioning a society (or educational system) that puts doctors 6 figures in the hole upon graduating. Maybe some things need to be changed...
The people spoke, or at least some of them, and through their actions, they've said a lot. The RIAA has also said much about how they have handled this whole situation. Turning a potientally profitable situations into something much worse.
What I would have liked to have seen is the RIAA sit down with Napster and create a way to buy the CD's of the artists directly through the program or at the very least, through a hyperlink to a web site designed for that exact propuse. Would it stop everyone from illegally trading and burning their own CD's?
   No.
But it seems that this would have been very profitable because some people are willing to by the albums of the music they like (and download.) And the easier you make it for them, the more likely they're going to do it. (Of course, cheaper albums wouldn't hurt either.)
But, I'm sure that there are other ways that the RIAA could have and maybe still can turn this into a win by working with and contributing with Napster.
Slashdot Mirror
tee hee
Before we resort to calling each other names here is an excerpt from Freenets web site:
Freenet itself merely provides the infrastructure for storing and retrieving information, it does not provide an easy-to-use interface for the user. To address this issue we encourage the creation of Freenet clients.To restate what they've said, they know there isn't an cool looking front end right now because they're been working on the infrastructure. But they encourage all those willing to help to create a client.
We should, of course, come to an informed decision first before donating instead of blindly throwing our money at something. I would even suggest, those leery of donating your money, try donating some time and help the cause.
Assuming, of course, you agree with the philosophy of Freenet. Otherwise donate your time and/or money to another worthy cause.
Yes. That is what I meant. It made sense in my head but it didn't come out quite right. Thanks
I agree with you. The Commodore 64 had a flight simulator written on it. A not too shabby feat back in the day. Nowadays it seems software is more bloated then it used to be.
Some companies want to reduce their time to market and get the product out as fast as possible, skimping on efficiency and quality. I understand that. And some companies don't. I respect that. Where will the line between laziness and efficiency be drawn? Maybe those are the perils of writing extreme large pieces of code?
Then again, my code isn't exactly lean either. *laugh*
I am going to take a trip back to my formidable years, when I was BBSing at the sweet age of 13. And I will disregard the fact I was pretending to be much older.
I remember my favorite sites: the people, the interface, and the online games. Those sites were all free and they rocked. You dialed up in you were in. It wasn't too complicated.
I also remember the other sites which charged a membership fee or some other gimmick to attract people and get them to pay. But I don't remember those sites as much as the free ones.
I know some people did pay the monthly fees but I never stayed on a BBS which did. Maybe it was because they didn't offer the things which I wanted. Or didn't offer a sense of community which I felt on the other BBSes. Plus when you are 13, you spend your money on other things of great importance.
I remember my favorite BBS had get togethers in the park during the summer and we could meet the people behind the aliases. It felt good to belong to such a group. The closest I feel to a sense of "belonging" nowadays is Slashdot. And they don't even have TradeWars.
Sites, as BBSes, will come and go, but it is what you do with them which will create the fondest memories. And being free don't hurt either. If fact it probably helps a lot. Not to say micropayments won't work, but I am from the old school and the best things in life are free.
I think /. needs to have a annual barbecue somewhere. That would be nice.
Hi all!
I am curious about the recent comments about why there is all the hubbub on Ogg Vorbis since bandwidth and computer speeds are increasing. I would like to ask, what is wrong with doing quality work?
I believe amoung the Ogg Vorbis developers many pursuits is to create very efficient code and have that reflected in the size and quality of the bitstreams. I have noticed a similar stream of thought in Perl programmers, who constantly strive to make their code smaller and faster. Goofy bastards. ;-)
But it seems some people don't reflect that view and I am just curious as to why. Maybe I am missing something and if so, would like to know.
Here is my thought. Say it were affordable to have a T1 instead of DSL to host my webserver, and I wanted to stream out audio for everyone. If I had a choice of serving out 20 streams at 56kbits or using a different format (Ogg) which will have a smaller bitstream at 56kbit and serve out 30 streams, I would opt for the smaller format to get more streams. It seems to make more sense to me.
And not to mention is it free. I sometimes forget that.
Point well taken. I would run into problems if i were in a band. Is the music I make mine or everyones? (My answer: everyones) There are some artist who consider their music no longer theirs when it gets released to the public. They give it to that public domain chick.
I would buy the music from the artist rather than copying it. I usually support bands by going to their shows, buying a shirt, and possible their album.
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." - Thomas Jefferson
Thanks. I understand and argee with you. Some people only care about what benefits them the most without considering others. And luckily there are many others who care about others.
How am I effected if my doctor takes a cell sample from me? How does that change who I am or what I want from life? My personal philosophy would dictate any data dervived from me would be freely available to the world. But ultimately, the doctor would be doing all the work and can make the final decision.
Think about universities in the same stride. We were told in engineering while working on our senior design project the unversity would get the rights to our project or at least expect part of the profits if we would try to market the design. Regardless if we came up with the idea and did all the work ourselves, the university would claim a stake in it for the use of their facilities and resources.
In the same way, I would be the university trying to get something from someone elses work for using my resources. I think the practice of universities in this area is wrong and so would I be if I were to take a similiar stance.
Out of curtesy and a moral and ethical obligation, i would hope the doctor would ask first before borrowing my code. Regardless, if data dervived from my cells could save people and/or make a difference then point me in a direction and tell me where to pee.
I understand your point but I have a few questions.
Both cases deal with an open sourced project being asked to use another name from a corporation. With this similarity, I don't understand how posting the article on /. is two-faced. Could you explain a little more?
With the OpenSSH vs SSH case, the trademarked name SSH is used witnin the name, OpenSSH. In this case, ListStar is not used in Listar Project. The names are similar, only a two letter difference and what both products offer is comparable.
I agree Samba and Samba2 are very similar and understand enforcing the trademark upon Samba2. It could be analogous to creating a company called Microsoft2. Would OpenMicrosoft be any better?
How close can two products be before they infringe upon each other?
From as far back as I can remember, they were going to try to land it on 433 Eros.
I can't remember the name of the probe sent to the moon a few years back, but they crashed that one with the hopes enough energy would be created to evaporate some water molecules and detect them with a spectrographic telescope.
Either way, i have to admit it is pretty cool to land something on an asteriod. Even if there is no cool Hollywood explosion. I could see The Onion headlines, "Man-made probe blows up asteriod, galaxy."
Please let me know if this is true, right now it is hearsay, but pertinent hearsay.
At a social gathering, a reporter walked up to Einstein and asked him what the speed of light was. Einstein replied that he didn't know.
The report was a taken back, for he was supposedly talking to the smartest person alive and yet Einstein didn't have the answer to a question he must surely know. He asked Einstein why he didn't know and Einstein told the reporter, "if I needed to know, I know where to look."
While our ability to remember some things might be diminishing, at least with PDA's, it allows us to get to the information we desire. We might not know the answer right off but we know where to look for it.
Whose Line Is It Anyway.
It's a game where the points don't matter. The host just assigns points to people randomly. Which is part of the fun.
I think that would be classified as a non net-zero game.
Everyone is there to have fun.
Consider this, the best people suited for traveling to Mars are vegetarians and vegans. They are the most conditioned to not eating (craving) meat and if they eat properly and exercise are in excellent physical condition.
Why does not eating meat come into play? Logistically, when NASA does send the first groups of people to colonize Mars, without new innovations in space travel, sending livestock to Mars is too expensive and plain goofy. And the huge supply of frozen hamburgers will run out without constant supplies sent from Earth. ;-)
The cheapest and most effective solution is to simply grow the food there. Live off the land. Water seems to be available and nearly everything necessary for the human body can be gotten from plants. Except vitamin B12. But vitamin suppliments will take care of that. =)
Hey NASA, i'm ready for Mars!
I would recommend some non-commercial radio. If you are in the Philly area listen to WKDU 91.7Fm or over your 'puter at wkdu.org. It's a college radio station and extremely rough around the edges. It rocks. You won't hear top40 or mtv music on it. And if you request some, they'll laugh at you.
Then if you have bandwitdh or live near the Rochester area, listen to WBER 90.1 at wber.monroe.edu. They have commercials but it's done in an interesting way plus they don't play much top40 music.
So what would this mean for the good people at Peacefire?
Pardon me, but wouldn't the biggest incentive to finding the cure for cancer be to cure cancer?
Maybe it is just me but i think it would be better to be known as the person or company that developed the cure for cancer and made it feely available for the world to reap the benefits.
Could you imagine the ad campaigns for that company?
"From the company that brought you the cure for cancer comes ..." whatever!
I would rather see people put first than profits. And I would be questioning a society (or educational system) that puts doctors 6 figures in the hole upon graduating. Maybe some things need to be changed...
What I would have liked to have seen is the RIAA sit down with Napster and create a way to buy the CD's of the artists directly through the program or at the very least, through a hyperlink to a web site designed for that exact propuse. Would it stop everyone from illegally trading and burning their own CD's?
   No.
But it seems that this would have been very profitable because some people are willing to by the albums of the music they like (and download.) And the easier you make it for them, the more likely they're going to do it. (Of course, cheaper albums wouldn't hurt either.)
But, I'm sure that there are other ways that the RIAA could have and maybe still can turn this into a win by working with and contributing with Napster.