> Quite frankly, I don't think that this law goes far enough. Butter, oil, and any possible allergen should be kept out before it makes it makes it to the table. That way I get to be the one to choose my food should taste.
Oh, they already have places that do that. They're called "supermarkets".
Not to mention the amusement of watching them type something, look confused, repeat a few times before they say something.
Once I was away from my cube, and a helpless desk dude shows up to do something on my machine. I was told the last they saw of him was him walking away, muttering something about me "using encryption, which is against corporate policy". heheheh
> Are we still animals where each and every individual must be capable of defending themselves against predators?
Pretty much. But most people are not ready or able to physically fight for their causes. Society sanitizes its violence in protection against predators to a large degree. "Civilized" people invoke violence by proxy.
They call the cops.
The police don't always have to resort to violence, but the implied ability, and willingness, to resort to violence, is always there, and is at the root of their effectiveness.
So yes, our society is held together by violence, implied or otherwise. And yes, the only thing that keeps our society from devolving into chaos is the willingness of men and women in the military and the paramilitary (aka "the police") to deliver violence against those that would harm us.
In other words, force IS the solution. Either directly, or by proxy.
> And other kids are dicks because that's how you establish hierarchy. A lot of bullying is by lower-end youngsters terrified of becoming bottom themselves, and thus the main target
Some people, young and old, play the role of what I like to call the "sheepdog". They can't stand it when someone does not behave in ways society expects.
For whatever reason, they look for those that stray from the herd, and give them a bark to get them back in line.
How many violent crimes occur around your parts where there are 20 witnesses? Or even 10. I live in a city of about two million people, and I have to figure the count per day can be done on one hand, easily.
> Lets make the assumption that this law existed before this event happened. Would it have been prevented? Of course not.
Prevented? No one is talking about "prevention" here,
10 people involved in the rape. Sounds like it took some time. Average nation-wide police response time for 911 calls is about eight minutes. Seems to me a call would have almost certainly made a difference, if not in stopping the crime, then in catching some of the rapists.
It could also happen this way: news gets out that you saw a woman getting raped (later to die, for the lack of anyone doing anything to save her) and you acted like a coward. Did not even pick up your phone. Your name on the front page of the Sunday papers. Drudge Report. The evening news. And your name goes down in infamy.
It's about as likely as your scenario.
I'll take my chances on doing the right thing, thx anyway.
> Yes, because of the stupid laws imposed on mobile phones that force them to have a loud distinct noise when you call 911.
Say WHAT? Citation, please.
Yes, I did google that, but came up with nothing. I have a hard time believing there would be a law forcing loud noises to come from a potential victim's phone.
> When I honestly feel that cops are driven by a visceral emotion to do good - their true underlying motivation being only to do good, I will call the cops.
I hate the cops as much as anyone, and avoid interacting with them whenever possible....
But FFS... you would not call the cops on a gang rape? I hope I never become that much of a reptile.
Yeah, what a delight it will be when all the money grubbing capitalists are finally dispatched to the hell they belong in to trouble us no longer, and we can all hold hands, sing "kumbaya" and resume foraging for berries.
By that logic, then, no organization should have any say about how society functions. Unions, think tanks, schools, churches, the dreaded "special interest groups":: eek!!::
> I'm not sure why a corporation should have a right to anything.
They produce goods and services, and provide jobs, which are a pretty big deal in modern society. I think that qualifies them as entitled to have a say about the society within they function.
> I don't get it. Who were we supposed to vote for? Only Obama and McCain had any real chance of winning
If I hear one more person spout this "you're throwing your vote away by voting 3rd party" bullshit, I'm gonna go postal.
Your one vote has never, and will never, make a difference. Only a fool votes because he thinks it's going to make a difference.
Sane people vote because it's what citizens do, not because they think that THEY are going to get their man into office because of their one vote.
Sane people also vote because they can then discuss with others WHY they voted for the person they did.
Vote for the person you think SHOULD win, not for the one who does not suck as much as the other one, who can actually win. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Wow. You must eat Ayn Rand books for breakfast and crap them out by lunchtime.
As such, you and your peers should know better than to do business in that den of thieves known as "China". And even if you did, you would know better than to start pissing and moaning like a three-year-old when they ACT like thieves. You seem to want to play with fire, and yet sob like a bitch when you get burned.
A contract is only as good as one's ability to enforce it. Which, in China, pretty much makes them worthless.
Seriously, though... rather than going off into trying to pushing the limit on how many digits can be cranked out for pi, would it not be more interesting and perhaps more fruitful to search for patterns, in numerous bases, in pi? Maybe there really IS "an ultimate answer" in some other base, just waiting for some geek in his mother's basement with an old Packard Bell to invest the energy.
Or maybe pi will end up just being a bunch of zeros or something after X many digits.
Either way, I'm sure it would make the front page of/.
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> Quite frankly, I don't think that this law goes far enough. Butter, oil, and any possible allergen should be kept out before it makes it makes it to the table. That way I get to be the one to choose my food should taste.
Oh, they already have places that do that. They're called "supermarkets".
Once I was away from my cube, and a helpless desk dude shows up to do something on my machine. I was told the last they saw of him was him walking away, muttering something about me "using encryption, which is against corporate policy". heheheh
> Freedom to make one mistake that will wreck you for the rest of your life? Hmmm...
There are many porn actors/actresses who would agree with you. And victims of a bad tattoo.
> I'm all for stories like this being made public, but this is not the kind of thing I think most of us come here for.
350+ posts on this thread in the past six hours on a Saturday night would disagree with you.
Tee hee. Silly scientists. Limbaugh is annoying. A thousand laughs. How original! Cutting edge! How.... EDGY!
Did they do a double blind study including Al Franken?
No? Didn't think so.
> Are we still animals where each and every individual must be capable of defending themselves against predators?
Pretty much. But most people are not ready or able to physically fight for their causes. Society sanitizes its violence in protection against predators to a large degree. "Civilized" people invoke violence by proxy.
They call the cops.
The police don't always have to resort to violence, but the implied ability, and willingness, to resort to violence, is always there, and is at the root of their effectiveness.
So yes, our society is held together by violence, implied or otherwise. And yes, the only thing that keeps our society from devolving into chaos is the willingness of men and women in the military and the paramilitary (aka "the police") to deliver violence against those that would harm us.
In other words, force IS the solution. Either directly, or by proxy.
Yes, as a matter of fact.
Refusing to fight back when it is called for is correctly termed 'cowardice' and is 'wrong'.
Dukeing it out, when required, and when proper, can be noble and yes, is 'right'.
> Or... sociopaths get ostracized
That word does not mean what you think it means. Sociopaths are typically very charming.
> And other kids are dicks because that's how you establish hierarchy. A lot of bullying is by lower-end youngsters terrified of becoming bottom themselves, and thus the main target
Some people, young and old, play the role of what I like to call the "sheepdog". They can't stand it when someone does not behave in ways society expects.
For whatever reason, they look for those that stray from the herd, and give them a bark to get them back in line.
Non-conformists know exactly what I mean.
It's a non-issue.
How many violent crimes occur around your parts where there are 20 witnesses? Or even 10. I live in a city of about two million people, and I have to figure the count per day can be done on one hand, easily.
> Lets make the assumption that this law existed before this event happened. Would it have been prevented? Of course not.
Prevented? No one is talking about "prevention" here,
10 people involved in the rape. Sounds like it took some time. Average nation-wide police response time for 911 calls is about eight minutes. Seems to me a call would have almost certainly made a difference, if not in stopping the crime, then in catching some of the rapists.
That could happen.
It could also happen this way: news gets out that you saw a woman getting raped (later to die, for the lack of anyone doing anything to save her) and you acted like a coward. Did not even pick up your phone. Your name on the front page of the Sunday papers. Drudge Report. The evening news. And your name goes down in infamy.
It's about as likely as your scenario.
I'll take my chances on doing the right thing, thx anyway.
That is the stupidest fucking thing I have read all day. And I just got done reading newspaper bulletin boards, so that's quite an accomplishment.
> Yes, because of the stupid laws imposed on mobile phones that force them to have a loud distinct noise when you call 911.
Say WHAT? Citation, please.
Yes, I did google that, but came up with nothing. I have a hard time believing there would be a law forcing loud noises to come from a potential victim's phone.
> When I honestly feel that cops are driven by a visceral emotion to do good - their true underlying motivation being only to do good, I will call the cops.
I hate the cops as much as anyone, and avoid interacting with them whenever possible....
But FFS... you would not call the cops on a gang rape? I hope I never become that much of a reptile.
Yeah, what a delight it will be when all the money grubbing capitalists are finally dispatched to the hell they belong in to trouble us no longer, and we can all hold hands, sing "kumbaya" and resume foraging for berries.
By that logic, then, no organization should have any say about how society functions. Unions, think tanks, schools, churches, the dreaded "special interest groups" :: eek!! ::
> I'm not sure why a corporation should have a right to anything.
They produce goods and services, and provide jobs, which are a pretty big deal in modern society. I think that qualifies them as entitled to have a say about the society within they function.
> I don't get it. Who were we supposed to vote for? Only Obama and McCain had any real chance of winning
If I hear one more person spout this "you're throwing your vote away by voting 3rd party" bullshit, I'm gonna go postal.
Your one vote has never, and will never, make a difference. Only a fool votes because he thinks it's going to make a difference.
Sane people vote because it's what citizens do, not because they think that THEY are going to get their man into office because of their one vote.
Sane people also vote because they can then discuss with others WHY they voted for the person they did.
Vote for the person you think SHOULD win, not for the one who does not suck as much as the other one, who can actually win. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Wow. You must eat Ayn Rand books for breakfast and crap them out by lunchtime.
As such, you and your peers should know better than to do business in that den of thieves known as "China". And even if you did, you would know better than to start pissing and moaning like a three-year-old when they ACT like thieves. You seem to want to play with fire, and yet sob like a bitch when you get burned.
A contract is only as good as one's ability to enforce it. Which, in China, pretty much makes them worthless.
Goochie goochie gooo! Who's a goo boy? YOU'S a goo boy! Yes you is! Yes you is!
> I find the lack of shame and intentional IP theft appalling personally.
You naïvity is adorable! I just want to pinch your cheeks! Soooo cute!
What, exactly, are we supposed to say about Haiti? Would that not be about a 10 post thread?
I'm hopelessly lost. Where are the dudes that can describe this theory in words an average person can get a grip on?
Seriously, though... rather than going off into trying to pushing the limit on how many digits can be cranked out for pi, would it not be more interesting and perhaps more fruitful to search for patterns, in numerous bases, in pi? Maybe there really IS "an ultimate answer" in some other base, just waiting for some geek in his mother's basement with an old Packard Bell to invest the energy.
Or maybe pi will end up just being a bunch of zeros or something after X many digits.
Either way, I'm sure it would make the front page of /.