I agree, Google apps don't have the full feature set of desktop office software. But it is a way better for shared document editing than MS Office. Granted, I've never really seen Sharepoint used to it's best, so maybe that's not entirely true if you have the full MS kit setup. I disagree. How can it be better for shared document editing when it doesn't support the features necessary for document editing? Thats kind of like saying a wagon is better for a road trip across country than a motorcycle... yeah they both suck for it but I'd much rather take the motorcycle (MS Office) than the wagon (Google docs). Sure I can fit more stuff in the wagon and maybe bring a friend but it'd be much easier for me and my friend to both have our own machines and just pass a bag of chips back and forth as we go to California. I know Google is liked around here and I like them myself. I refuse to use anything else for my email after using Gmail for a while but Google docs is severely lacking for anything other than a quick viewing from Gmail. I hear the spreadsheet application isn't lacking nearly as much but I have yet to try it.
For years they did not and I was surprised the FTC didn't bust them on this. Aren't stock buybacks and dividend payouts set by corporate charter and not the FTC?
Google apps are a joke for the enterprise software market as well as any public company due to SOX, HIPAA and other laws. Google apps hosted by google are a joke. Google apps hosted locally within your corporation are a great idea. They have the potential to provide enhanced security and privacy. The problem with Google aps is functionality. Google docs has no concept of margins whatsoever and Googles workaround is to resize your browser window. Google could potentially solve these problems but from what I've seen they don't seem interested in fixing issues like this. Just adding the next wizzbang feature. MS Office does an excellent job of things that a document application should do, as does OpenOffice.Org. Google docs does not do these things.
I hope all the linux users here like using Novell's distro, here's some evidence that Silverlight is entirely patent encumbered
"to avoid patent problems over Silverlight, when using or developing Mono's implementation (known as Moonlight), it's best to get/download Moonlight from Novell which will include patent coverage."
Moonlight will be able to run on any distro supported by Mono, which is most of the major distros. Under the terms of the agreements we have with Microsoft, Novell customers are covered by Microsoft's covenant not to sue over patents. In terms of Moonlight, that means that, if you download Moonlight from Novell (which is free of charge), you are considered a Novell customer of Moonlight, whether you run it on SUSE Linux Enterprise or on another distribution. If you get the Moonlight code from elsewhere, you are not considered a Novell customer, and so don't fall within the covenant. Emphasis added
IT appears as long as you download moonlight from Novell's servers you are a customer of Novell. No need to run Novell's distribution. The only thing of Novell's you need to use is their bandwidth. Which is thankfully compatible with other distros.
Microsoft did very little to help Sega develop the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was built of parts from SEGA, Hitachi, ARM and NEC. Sure SEGA licensed Windows CE for the Dreamcast but very few games actually used Windows CE.
But this irrational hatred of Silverlight is a bit beyond me. Big fucking deal, at least it's attempting to become a competitor of Adobe Flash. Competition spurs innovation and all that jazz. Great yes I totally agree Competition to flash would be great. The problem with this is Microsofts idea of competition is to do everything they can to crush the competition then let features stagnate. They aren't happy with having 50% of the market its 95% or higher or they'll abuse their monopoly till they have 95% of the market. You want to compete fairly? how quaint well we're going to change the plugin structure for IE to break features you depend on and include our replacement. Or maybe theyl'l help you out and include your format with windows along with their own. Oh wait you want a current version included like their version? Too bad they're going to include their own proprietary version of your format that is 4 versions behind.
They are doing it in exchange for the library of congress using Silverlight on their web page. Sure no money is changing hands but there is consideration given.
I don't see any flash. http://www.loc.gov/ is perfectly navigable without any proprietary plug ins whatsoever. As I said, I'm not concerned about them including Silverlight. I am concerned about the website being navigable only with Silverlight. Sure you can argue a point I'm not making. But I could also argue that mashed potatoes are far better than macaroni and cheese and as such you are wrong.
So Microsoft (and LOC's move) may actually be illegal depending on how it's implemented.
Fortunately We know Microsoft has an excellent policy for when their product is not compatible with the law. Lobby, bribe and cheat until the law is twisted into allowing their product to resemble compliance.
Yea, it's funny how Microsoft is cooperative with third party developers when they are losing, trying to catch up to a dominant format (Flash). Let's say they succeed in overtaking Flash, and Silverlight becomes the dominant format for interactive applets. How long do you think Microsoft will continue to aid the linux developers? I give 'em 5 minutes, tops. I won't disagree with this statement but I would like to add that the Microsoft developers I have spoken with that are communicating with Mono developers seem genuinely interested in assisting the Mono guys. I just hope they are able to continue the relationship after Microsoft has what it wants. But I don't expect them to be able to.
No Moonlight is planned for Linux, which will always be behind Silverlight, because Microsoft won't give them the specs until AFTER each new release of Silverlight, which could mean months of cathup after every Silverlight release. And there's no guarantee that Microsoft will continue giving them these specs.
I don't think this is entirely accurate. In the future possibly but as of right now the Mono guys actually have quite a good relationship with Microsoft. They regularly communicate with Microsoft developers so once moonlight gets caught up they should be able to stay in sync with Silverlight until Microsoft decides they've had enough and cuts them off.
But making the website depend on a media format that is not a common web standard and is furthermore specific to Microsoft risks a situation where the only way to get the full functionality of the LoC website would be to install Internet Explorer. I know its a bit pedantic but is "risks" really an appropriate term to use? I think that "hopes to achieve" would be a better description of whats going on.
Really what's one proprietary format over another, granted Silverlight seems to be Windows only. Still the meat and potatoes of what the library does is the same old same old. Whats the other proprietary format? HTML is quite cross platform and works just fine in my web browser without any proprietary plugins. myloc.gov doesn't appear to have any issues loading right now.
The concern is over the use of Silverlight for the website. Silverlight as of yet does not have a end-user ready version for several operating systems, including free ones such as Linux. There is however a Moonlight project by the Mono guys to bring Silverlight to those operating systems.
Remaking myloc.gov in silverlight doesn't bother me as long as they don't lock out non-silverlight enabled browsers. If I suddenly can't browse a government website that is at least partially funded with my tax dollars then I'm taking my money elsewhere! err wait... nevermind...
That being said, I've seen other medical offices in which their general policy is to avoid giving official documents to patients, in fear of litigation. My thought on the subject: A happy patient is less likely to sue, even if a mistake is made. This is unfortunately not true everywhere. In some areas people are perfectly happy to sue even when they are happy with what is going on. A slightly off topic anecdote we have in Louisiana of the kid who cut off his finger playing with power tools he wasn't supposed to be playing with at his friends house. Parents sue, a month after the homeowners insurance settles kid shows back up at the friends house he lost his finger at expecting to be allowed to play there again. True or not this is an excellent example of a typical Louisianans policy of "Sue first and if there are any questions sue again later" Doctors around here are understandably hesitant to provide medical records they might have made a mistake in because they can expect 99% of the people here to sue no matter how minor the mistake is and no matter how happy they are as patients.
You are acting like an obtuse moron! - God help Raiser if he is as 'intelligent' and 'difficult' as you are. What makes you Think I've never been in Hans' position?
Writing/designing a 'good' filesystem depends on your particular definition of 'good', it's a trade-off between KNOWN qualities using KNOWN algorithms with KNOWN limitations. Come up with an algorithm that has new qualities and you have something more than just a variation on a theme. For all I know it may be an optimal trade-off for a particular application but I highly doubt it has removed (or even moved) any pre-existing limitations on what a filesystem can do. As far as I can tell from this fragmented though the "it" is ReiserFS. In which case you appear to have no idea why ReiserFS is considered unique... Why exactly are you here arguing that Hans Reiser did not accomplish anything special when you have no idea what it is he did?
"It's quotes like this that make me not believe you."
Yet, I am supposed to listen in silence to a guy called LiENUS who completely misinterpreted what the OP said, and consequently missed any relevant point he may of had. It's better than listening to some guy called "TapeCutter". As an FYI the name is in reference to the surname of a Norwegian friend of mine. Kind of strange your allegation of misinterpretation given the entirety of your post is a massive misinterpretation.
Your little FAT clone
I am fat you insesitive clod, but I don't have a clone.
I'm assuming this is part of your troll but I'll clarify anyway FAT was capitalized for a reason. It is referring to a file system (you know, the topic of this discussion)
"You really need to get over yourself."
That's what the so-called 'midlife crisis' is all about, I don't need another. If I'm still alive when you have yours, come back and tell me how you once thought ReiserFS was the bee's knees that would revolutionize storage. I never said anything about what ReiserFS might or mightnot do. I said that liquidpele and milsoRgen are nowhere near Hans Reiser on intelligence level and as such are unfit to decide whether or not he is a genius. The only example I have that is easily compared to them is ReiserFS. Something that I asserted liquidpele was in fact incapable of doing himself and milsoRgen admitted he was incapable of. Sure liquidpele could read up on the specifications and make his own driver that is compatible with it, or even implement the functionality in a completely incompatible way. But he could not come up with his own innovative file system by himself. Which is what I challenged him to do.
Get over yourself. Anyone with a half decent CS degree and a few years of systems programming under their belt can/has designed and implemented file sytems, memory managers, job schedulers, etc. We know it's hard to improve on what exists because we know about what exists. That is why the OP said 'I could write a file system' rather than 'I will write a better filesystem'. It's quotes like this that make me not believe you. This was said in the context of ReiserFS. Your little FAT clone is nothing like ReiserFS. You really need to get over yourself.
Linus is actually the most modest person, who has actually done something really worth while, I have ever had the privilege to meet. I've never actually met him but every time I read what he's written or seen him giving a speech (I saw a video of his speech at Google about git.) He comes across as arrogant and pompous. It makes me want to believe hes wrong, though admittedly he almost always turns out to be right. From what I've seen of him online in various discussions I'm surprise to hear him described as modest. Maybe what I've seen is just a show he puts on to make sure things go his way.
I *could* design an implement my own filesystem Put your money where your mouth is then. Designing a file system is harder than it looks. Particularly if you want to make it something actually worthwhile to use.
It's bad that they're doing this. I would suspect that Yahoo! has a good reason for refusing the takeover attempt (possibly trying to prop the companies financials up to leverage a higher bidfrom Microsoft). In suing the board members they stand to earn what they would have earned should Microsoft have succeeded in the bid. However if they laid and waited patiently there would be a good chance of Microsoft offering a higher bid. Theres also the possibility of them getting no future bids from Microsoft at all, however I believe the potential for rewards far outweigh the risks. Microsoft wants Yahoo! for a reason and it's not just that Yahoo! is a search company. It's the whole package the search, the messenger and
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That's not what I was referring to and you know good and well it's not. As an FYI I am engaged to a very lovely and nice girl. No purchase necessary.
"to avoid patent problems over Silverlight, when using or developing Mono's implementation (known as Moonlight), it's best to get/download Moonlight from Novell which will include patent coverage."
Moonlight will be able to run on any distro supported by Mono, which is most of the major distros. Under the terms of the agreements we have with Microsoft, Novell customers are covered by Microsoft's covenant not to sue over patents. In terms of Moonlight, that means that, if you download Moonlight from Novell (which is free of charge), you are considered a Novell customer of Moonlight, whether you run it on SUSE Linux Enterprise or on another distribution. If you get the Moonlight code from elsewhere, you are not considered a Novell customer, and so don't fall within the covenant. Emphasis added
IT appears as long as you download moonlight from Novell's servers you are a customer of Novell. No need to run Novell's distribution. The only thing of Novell's you need to use is their bandwidth. Which is thankfully compatible with other distros.
Microsoft did very little to help Sega develop the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was built of parts from SEGA, Hitachi, ARM and NEC. Sure SEGA licensed Windows CE for the Dreamcast but very few games actually used Windows CE.
They are doing it in exchange for the library of congress using Silverlight on their web page. Sure no money is changing hands but there is consideration given.
I don't see any flash. http://www.loc.gov/ is perfectly navigable without any proprietary plug ins whatsoever. As I said, I'm not concerned about them including Silverlight. I am concerned about the website being navigable only with Silverlight. Sure you can argue a point I'm not making. But I could also argue that mashed potatoes are far better than macaroni and cheese and as such you are wrong.
Fortunately We know Microsoft has an excellent policy for when their product is not compatible with the law. Lobby, bribe and cheat until the law is twisted into allowing their product to resemble compliance.
No Moonlight is planned for Linux, which will always be behind Silverlight, because Microsoft won't give them the specs until AFTER each new release of Silverlight, which could mean months of cathup after every Silverlight release. And there's no guarantee that Microsoft will continue giving them these specs. I don't think this is entirely accurate. In the future possibly but as of right now the Mono guys actually have quite a good relationship with Microsoft. They regularly communicate with Microsoft developers so once moonlight gets caught up they should be able to stay in sync with Silverlight until Microsoft decides they've had enough and cuts them off.
The concern is over the use of Silverlight for the website. Silverlight as of yet does not have a end-user ready version for several operating systems, including free ones such as Linux. There is however a Moonlight project by the Mono guys to bring Silverlight to those operating systems.
Remaking myloc.gov in silverlight doesn't bother me as long as they don't lock out non-silverlight enabled browsers. If I suddenly can't browse a government website that is at least partially funded with my tax dollars then I'm taking my money elsewhere! err wait... nevermind...
Yet, I am supposed to listen in silence to a guy called LiENUS who completely misinterpreted what the OP said, and consequently missed any relevant point he may of had.
It's better than listening to some guy called "TapeCutter". As an FYI the name is in reference to the surname of a Norwegian friend of mine. Kind of strange your allegation of misinterpretation given the entirety of your post is a massive misinterpretation.
Your little FAT clone
I am fat you insesitive clod, but I don't have a clone.
I'm assuming this is part of your troll but I'll clarify anyway FAT was capitalized for a reason. It is referring to a file system (you know, the topic of this discussion)
"You really need to get over yourself."
That's what the so-called 'midlife crisis' is all about, I don't need another. If I'm still alive when you have yours, come back and tell me how you once thought ReiserFS was the bee's knees that would revolutionize storage.
I never said anything about what ReiserFS might or mightnot do. I said that liquidpele and milsoRgen are nowhere near Hans Reiser on intelligence level and as such are unfit to decide whether or not he is a genius. The only example I have that is easily compared to them is ReiserFS. Something that I asserted liquidpele was in fact incapable of doing himself and milsoRgen admitted he was incapable of. Sure liquidpele could read up on the specifications and make his own driver that is compatible with it, or even implement the functionality in a completely incompatible way. But he could not come up with his own innovative file system by himself. Which is what I challenged him to do.
Must post less when drunk.
It's bad that they're doing this. I would suspect that Yahoo! has a good reason for refusing the takeover attempt (possibly trying to prop the companies financials up to leverage a higher bidfrom Microsoft). In suing the board members they stand to earn what they would have earned should Microsoft have succeeded in the bid. However if they laid and waited patiently there would be a good chance of Microsoft offering a higher bid. Theres also the possibility of them getting no future bids from Microsoft at all, however I believe the potential for rewards far outweigh the risks. Microsoft wants Yahoo! for a reason and it's not just that Yahoo! is a search company. It's the whole package the search, the messenger and