#2 is actually a little more than that. What if a company has a policy to only hire male engineers under the age of 40? Just because a company fully enforces and complies with that policy doesn't make it illegal.
It was quite a big deal for a while. Linus himself thought it shouldn't be "fixed" or "hacked around". Here, hang on. google...google... Ah, here ya go. This may have been the issue.
I believe there was such an issue, something to do with some older network equipment and some window size issues in the network frames, or was it something with jumbo frames. damnit, now that I'm in manglement, I keep forgetting shit now.
I'll have to give you that. Despite all my rantings about rhell and redcrap, they have done some good things.
If only they'll fix up2date, and rpm. There're *OPEN* issues against rpm, ones which will corrupt the freaking rpm database, and they refuse to fix it. Bastards.
Bullfuckingshit. RedCrap has always been the one trying to corner the market. They went with gcc 2.96 - http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html against the wishes of *EVERYONE* They tried to screw KDE over, creating that fucked up gnomeified bastardized kde. And go talk to the glibc developers about the whole glibc2 "lets push it out before it is ready" bullshit.
They have done a number of truly rotten things.
However, on the whole, they have contributed back to the community as well. If only they can stop to think - they can make money without trying to screw their customers, and the community over as well.
Because most people do not know what the heck they're doing. The great unwashed masses that're using linux today - you think all of a sudden these people grew a brain?
Remember what George Carlin said - If you think about how stupid the average person is, then remember that half the people are stupider than that...
Just because someone throws on a geeksquad uniform doesn't mean they can do hardware repairs, and just because someone can stick a rhell install cd in a computer doesn't mean they understand what it does.
-rhce because I can, and so that I can slag rhell as a rhce. -mcp because I can, and so that I can slag microsoft as a mcp. -notmcse because I am not that masochistic.
Man, that's so much bullshit. If Centos and rhell is binary compatible, then there's no freaking functional difference between them.
And your comparison between rhell and fedora vs pirated windows is hookie too. Fedora and rhell run different kernels! Windows (look at the version numbers, not the marketing names) of the same versions run the same freaking kernel (data center versions are different). In fact, there's been a number of articles on converting your winntworkstation into winntserver.
Or are you saying fedora users are pirates?
Unfortunately,/. is full of rhell weenies, and anytime you say something good about rhell, you get +karma, and anytime you say anything negative about rhell, you get -karma.
Bleh.
-rhce and linux user since kernel 1.2. Still thinks rhell is the worst distro I've touched.
Man, not only did you smoke, but you inhaled too. Redhat does not "build" the OS. They may have some employees that contribute to the kernel, and other software.
And on your last 3 points, look at things like Trusted Solaris, z/OS, VMS, OS/2, etc.
The problem isn't what *YOU* pay for it. The problem is what the average user pays for it. And the bigger problem is what we, as a society, pay, when everything we do is owned by one single monopoly.
Why is parent even modded up?! All code is *OWNED* by someone, unless it is public domain.
What is important is the license the code is released under. For example, it could be released under Microsoft's standard commercial license. Or it could be released under Apache's license. Or BSD. Or GPL.
And the problem with troll tech is...? The entire fucking piece is GPL'ed. That means, the entire reason for the creation/existence of gnome, is gone.
So, in order to better advance software freedom, you refuse to use a fully GPL'ed KDE + QT (yes, QT is GPL'ed, and has been for a quite some time now), but instead, use GNOME, whose crazed leader seems to be sucking up to Microsoft on everything Microsoft.
Typically, in cases like this, you ask yourself one question - if I follow the money, where does it end up?
My bigger question is this - WTF is Stallman doing about this? Gnome is supposed to be a FSF project, yet, GNOME is now cheering OOXML?! Why hasn't FSF spoken up about this?
by lib3rtarian (1050840) Alter Relationship on Thursday October 25, @12:00PM (#21114769) Theo thinks so highly of himself, he is just wrong on this one. There is not one recorded/public example of someone breaking out of the isolation of a virtual environment! I dare someone to demonstrate otherwise, and I will eat my words.
Since someone just showed proof, can you post a youtube video of you eating your words? Thanx.
Think about how the whole x86 architecture came about? In the early 80s, it was all Commodore and Apple IIs. IBM saw that, and said they were "toys". But, since there's such a bunch of hype, they tried to dip their toes into the water. Revisionists now adays say they used off the shelf components to be more compatible, cost savings, etc. All bullshit. The team was only given 9 months, or the project would have been yanked. There was no time to build and fab their own cpus, etc.
So they went cpu shopping. Motorola and Intel. Oh, lookie here, Intel's cpu came with a manual, and somewhere around appendix (I), there's a little circuit with a nice title "lookie here, you can even build a simple personal computer with our cpu, and here's the schematic for it". Why do you think IBM sued all those clone makers for BIOS infringement and not hardware infringement? Because IBM didn't freaking own the rights to the hardware.
So, they put in this 8 slot system, with 8 IRQs. Oops, not enough IRQs for all the slots, since some were used up by the system. Darn. Let's increase the IRQs, but in order to retain compatibility, let's tunnel 8-15 through IRQ 2. That's why, while IRQ 3 has higher priority than IRQ 4, IRQ 9 has higher priority than IRQ 3! And all these other stupid design decisions. These are only the ones I know about, as a user, so, at a lower, design level, there has to be more.
And at the cpu level? When they went from 16->32 bits? Oh, the users will never need to use all 32 bits, so, lets just mask it out and give them 20 bits. WTF?!?!
25 years later, what happens? We're still building on that pile of shit. WHY THE HELL do you think Intel tried to hard to go with the Itanic? They wanted a fresh start. THE MAKERS OF THE X86 CPU WANTED TO GET THE HELL AWAY FROM X86 AND GO TO A FRESH NEW START!!! What more evidence do you need that x86 stinks to high heaven?!
Why would you even think a virtualization layer can fix any thing from "altering a very sensitive range of memory that is very vital to the correct execution of the operating system itself"? How much complexity is that going to add to the virtualization layer? For every OS? Every service pack and hotfixes and patches?
As for your last point, Theo's exact point is that you use virtualization for cost savings, but please do not say you're using it for "more security".
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#2 is actually a little more than that. What if a company has a policy to only hire male engineers under the age of 40? Just because a company fully enforces and complies with that policy doesn't make it illegal.
Your argument would be very much stronger if there weren't studies showing that 90% to 98% of the cost of a drug is related to marketing.
It was quite a big deal for a while. Linus himself thought it shouldn't be "fixed" or "hacked around". Here, hang on. google...google... Ah, here ya go. This may have been the issue.
http://kerneltrap.org/node/6723
I believe there was such an issue, something to do with some older network equipment and some window size issues in the network frames, or was it something with jumbo frames. damnit, now that I'm in manglement, I keep forgetting shit now.
I'll have to give you that. Despite all my rantings about rhell and redcrap, they have done some good things.
If only they'll fix up2date, and rpm. There're *OPEN* issues against rpm, ones which will corrupt the freaking rpm database, and they refuse to fix it. Bastards.
Bullfuckingshit. RedCrap has always been the one trying to corner the market. They went with gcc 2.96 - http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html against the wishes of *EVERYONE* They tried to screw KDE over, creating that fucked up gnomeified bastardized kde. And go talk to the glibc developers about the whole glibc2 "lets push it out before it is ready" bullshit.
They have done a number of truly rotten things.
However, on the whole, they have contributed back to the community as well. If only they can stop to think - they can make money without trying to screw their customers, and the community over as well.
Because most people do not know what the heck they're doing. The great unwashed masses that're using linux today - you think all of a sudden these people grew a brain?
Remember what George Carlin said - If you think about how stupid the average person is, then remember that half the people are stupider than that...
Just because someone throws on a geeksquad uniform doesn't mean they can do hardware repairs, and just because someone can stick a rhell install cd in a computer doesn't mean they understand what it does.
-rhce because I can, and so that I can slag rhell as a rhce.
-mcp because I can, and so that I can slag microsoft as a mcp.
-notmcse because I am not that masochistic.
Do you even understand what "binary compatible" means?
And wonderful gentoo strawman.
they did before. They concluded it wasn't worth it, and spawned fedora.
Man, that's so much bullshit. If Centos and rhell is binary compatible, then there's no freaking functional difference between them.
/. is full of rhell weenies, and anytime you say something good about rhell, you get +karma, and anytime you say anything negative about rhell, you get -karma.
And your comparison between rhell and fedora vs pirated windows is hookie too. Fedora and rhell run different kernels! Windows (look at the version numbers, not the marketing names) of the same versions run the same freaking kernel (data center versions are different). In fact, there's been a number of articles on converting your winntworkstation into winntserver.
Or are you saying fedora users are pirates?
Unfortunately,
Bleh.
-rhce and linux user since kernel 1.2. Still thinks rhell is the worst distro I've touched.
Man, not only did you smoke, but you inhaled too. Redhat does not "build" the OS. They may have some employees that contribute to the kernel, and other software.
And on your last 3 points, look at things like Trusted Solaris, z/OS, VMS, OS/2, etc.
Speaking as a rhce - umm... what kind of support?
The problem isn't what *YOU* pay for it. The problem is what the average user pays for it. And the bigger problem is what we, as a society, pay, when everything we do is owned by one single monopoly.
I know you said inkjet, but, I my brother 5250DN. duplex printing, speedy, postscript, network ready, and you can find it for ~$200.
I bet Richard Stallman's biggest regret is gnome and the ensuing crap that followed gnome.
What is important is the license the code is released under. For example, it could be released under Microsoft's standard commercial license. Or it could be released under Apache's license. Or BSD. Or GPL.
So, in order to better advance software freedom, you refuse to use a fully GPL'ed KDE + QT (yes, QT is GPL'ed, and has been for a quite some time now), but instead, use GNOME, whose crazed leader seems to be sucking up to Microsoft on everything Microsoft.
Great. Enjoy your dreams.
I bet you there're more MS office users than .net users.
My bigger question is this - WTF is Stallman doing about this? Gnome is supposed to be a FSF project, yet, GNOME is now cheering OOXML?! Why hasn't FSF spoken up about this?
Install the deskman powertoy. Now, go find it and turn it on. I dare you.
by lib3rtarian (1050840) Alter Relationship on Thursday October 25, @12:00PM (#21114769)
Theo thinks so highly of himself, he is just wrong on this one. There is not one recorded/public example of someone breaking out of the isolation of a virtual environment! I dare someone to demonstrate otherwise, and I will eat my words.
Since someone just showed proof, can you post a youtube video of you eating your words? Thanx.
So they went cpu shopping. Motorola and Intel. Oh, lookie here, Intel's cpu came with a manual, and somewhere around appendix (I), there's a little circuit with a nice title "lookie here, you can even build a simple personal computer with our cpu, and here's the schematic for it". Why do you think IBM sued all those clone makers for BIOS infringement and not hardware infringement? Because IBM didn't freaking own the rights to the hardware.
So, they put in this 8 slot system, with 8 IRQs. Oops, not enough IRQs for all the slots, since some were used up by the system. Darn. Let's increase the IRQs, but in order to retain compatibility, let's tunnel 8-15 through IRQ 2. That's why, while IRQ 3 has higher priority than IRQ 4, IRQ 9 has higher priority than IRQ 3! And all these other stupid design decisions. These are only the ones I know about, as a user, so, at a lower, design level, there has to be more.
And at the cpu level? When they went from 16->32 bits? Oh, the users will never need to use all 32 bits, so, lets just mask it out and give them 20 bits. WTF?!?!
25 years later, what happens? We're still building on that pile of shit. WHY THE HELL do you think Intel tried to hard to go with the Itanic? They wanted a fresh start. THE MAKERS OF THE X86 CPU WANTED TO GET THE HELL AWAY FROM X86 AND GO TO A FRESH NEW START!!! What more evidence do you need that x86 stinks to high heaven?!
As for your last point, Theo's exact point is that you use virtualization for cost savings, but please do not say you're using it for "more security".
your last bullet is unfinished - Theo did specifically say his points were to x86 virtualization. Mainframe LPARs are considered quite good.
And the problem is that once your hypervisor gets owned, all your OTHER OSes are screwed as well, even those that are not potatoes.