While reading this article, it is important to keep in mind that KDE 4 is still largely incomplete. Many of the details provided in this article reflect the fact that the 4.0 release is not a finished product. The KDE development team controversially decided to release 4.0 in a premature state in order to stimulate user interest and promote accelerated development. The result is that KDE 4.0 is, in many ways, like a preview for developers and technical enthusiasts rather than a release for enterprise desktops and production environments. My extensive testing shows that KDE 4.0 can be used on a day-to-day basis, but there are many inconveniences posed by the software's current limitations.
KDE users who require mission-critical robustness and the full feature set of the KDE 3.5.x series should probably wait until KDE 4.1 before making the transition, but application developers and Linux enthusiasts who are eager to experiment with the new features will be able to make the transition now without too much trouble.
And since you seem to be too lazy to read the one link I included, I've cut and pasted it for you here:
To bring it into high-relief: KDE3 is our current product line for production, and KDE4 is our mid-term production line. For there to be any KDE worthy of succeeding KDE 3.5, we needed a mid-term project. No short-term project would cut it. We're at the beginning of where we can bring KDE4 into "current produce line" condition, which is to say that KDE4 is that transition period from mid-term to short-term project. That's exciting, and one more reason 4.0 rocks.
KDE did not hype KDE4. Only the people who can't read and understand that it was a developer release, to prepare and have a framework ready so that 3rd party developers can have a target to develop against.
But, apparently this concept is too difficult for people to understand.
I'm so damn glad that someone here knew what was going on. I can't believe there're so many mucking forons in the world who can't read or comprehend simple english. "not for end users" apparently is not simply enough.
That's because you're a mucking foron who can't read. 4.0 was not released for end users. 4.0 was released so that all the 3rd party developers can have a framework to develop against. That was why 4.0 was released with a big "not for end users" note.
If your distro used it as the primary environment, then both you and your distro were fools. Else, just you.
It was a shame the KDE team had to drag KDE's brand name through the mud simply because they grossly failed to manage the user's expectations with the version numbering nonsense.
Gee, the fact that they explicitly say "don't use this, not for end users", and you can't fucking read makes it their problem?
You do realize why the labor is cheap right? Because they have a lower standard of living, comparably, to western worlds. Which is why you don't outsource your factories to Europe or Japan.
If you start taxing them to make the labor cost equivalent to the western society, you just fucked them over - how the hell are they supposed to improve their standard of living?
And before you give me any grief about well, life sucks for them, remember, the west have been exploiting the rest of the world for cheap resources for 300-400 years, and once all the gold and other resources have helped built the west up, it is of course so easy to tell the rest of the world that well, buck up, you need to build yourself up just like us.
I'm always impressed by people with a magic wand who can wave problems away.
Yup, newbie. If you can't even take the time to read Dr. Cohen's PhD dissertation to understand why the "security model" you were talking about did not work (and what has changed to reduce that issue in recent years), but instead tell me that you manage 1000 servers and so on, you're a newbie or a pfy. Working in a F100 company in security is not such a big fucking deal, I have that on my resume too, 5 years of that shit. So what?
And I understand the differences between worms and viruses. But you're splitting hairs.
I can't believe someone with a 4 digit number can have such a stupid idea. The reason why there's disparities is because of scarcity of resources. For something like what you're suggesting to work, would mean that everyone has access to the same level of lifestyle. This is so far from true. At one point, one of my professors told me that the US consumes 70% of the world's resources. We definitely use a shitload of energy compared to the rest of the world.
How are you proposing to to raise the level of living in Africa so that they too can participate in this glorious new world of yours? Oh, wait, this new world is only for people whose standard of living approaches that of the western world?
And shipping by boat is far *FAR* cheaper than shipping by land. Please do some research.
Oh yes and explain to me why I see Indian CCNPs googling 'routing' and unable to answer simple queries re: spanning tree and OSPF.
That's OK. I used to work with a "I'm ccnp, but cisco lost my results, so I don't have the cert yet" NotWork engineer. Fucking lying bastard asshole. Set up a 10/8 flat network for 3000 people, 42 remote sites. Good ole white american.
What's my point? It's not the nationality or the outsourcing that is the issue, it's the damned incompetence.
You know, as a guy who learnt to install solaris before he learnt to install windows 3.1, and a linux user since 1995, and openbsd sine 1997 or so, I count myself as a pretty knowledgeable unix person.
And it makes me cringe everytime I see some newbie spout these lines.
Here are some facts to enlighten you:
1) The Morris worm did not run on windows. 2) Dr. Cohen, you know, the guy who did the original research on computer viruses, did his research on unix and vms.
Now, I will grant you that the situation has improved since then, but certainly not to the extent that you're now treating it as snake oil - no, UNIX will not fix everything and make you coffee as well.
I heard on the Prairie Home Companion over the weekend that there were some concerns about the effect of DC and being the president will have on Obama's kids. Garrison basically said that historically, it's been OK, look at Chelsea, she's doing fine. The Bush twins had some rough spots in the beginning, but have settled down. Patti had her rough days, but is so-so. Carter's kid is doing OK. There's this other presidential kid... but lets not talk about him, he'll be out in a couple of days anyway...
This has nothing to do with UNIX. I read your explanation in the other post you made. Basically, you took used a function in this "ERD" thing at your work to delete stuff. Whether you used one pass or three pass doesn't really matter.
If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't try to appear as if you're an expert.
I call bullshit. I just went through the SANS forensics course, and they say you can't. There was a recent challenge that nobody would take up. If you're so good, go ahead and take up the forensics challenge that was recently posted on/. IF you can read that data, then I'll believe you. Otherwise, you're just full of bullshit.
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I'm not sure how you claim it is revisionist.
While reading this article, it is important to keep in mind that KDE 4 is still largely incomplete. Many of the details provided in this article reflect the fact that the 4.0 release is not a finished product. The KDE development team controversially decided to release 4.0 in a premature state in order to stimulate user interest and promote accelerated development. The result is that KDE 4.0 is, in many ways, like a preview for developers and technical enthusiasts rather than a release for enterprise desktops and production environments. My extensive testing shows that KDE 4.0 can be used on a day-to-day basis, but there are many inconveniences posed by the software's current limitations.
http://arstechnica.com/software/reviews/2008/01/kde-40-review.ars
KDE users who require mission-critical robustness and the full feature set of the KDE 3.5.x series should probably wait until KDE 4.1 before making the transition, but application developers and Linux enthusiasts who are eager to experiment with the new features will be able to make the transition now without too much trouble.
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/01/kde-4-0-rough-but-ready-for-action.ars
And since you seem to be too lazy to read the one link I included, I've cut and pasted it for you here:
To bring it into high-relief: KDE3 is our current product line for production, and KDE4 is our mid-term production line. For there to be any KDE worthy of succeeding KDE 3.5, we needed a mid-term project. No short-term project would cut it. We're at the beginning of where we can bring KDE4 into "current produce line" condition, which is to say that KDE4 is that transition period from mid-term to short-term project. That's exciting, and one more reason 4.0 rocks.
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html
You see the part that says "KDE3 is our current product line for production"? Gee, I wonder what that means in your world.
Gee, I didn't know that Open Source means it takes a decade to take to 1.0. So, if I name you Jurily.0, it's my fault that you suck?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4
Read the section labeled "Stable releases" and notes 24 through 27.
Here, I'll help you out, the link for note 24 is: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html
KDE did not hype KDE4. Only the people who can't read and understand that it was a developer release, to prepare and have a framework ready so that 3rd party developers can have a target to develop against.
But, apparently this concept is too difficult for people to understand.
Indeed, very impressive.
Now I can go back to using Gnome knowing it wont hog my CPU as much.
That's funny. I decided to use KDE over Gnome years ago 'cos Gnome was way too slow.
That's because Gnome wasn't able to hog your cpu you see...
I'm so damn glad that someone here knew what was going on. I can't believe there're so many mucking forons in the world who can't read or comprehend simple english. "not for end users" apparently is not simply enough.
That's because you're a mucking foron who can't read. 4.0 was not released for end users. 4.0 was released so that all the 3rd party developers can have a framework to develop against. That was why 4.0 was released with a big "not for end users" note.
If your distro used it as the primary environment, then both you and your distro were fools. Else, just you.
It was a shame the KDE team had to drag KDE's brand name through the mud simply because they grossly failed to manage the user's expectations with the version numbering nonsense.
Gee, the fact that they explicitly say "don't use this, not for end users", and you can't fucking read makes it their problem?
Wrong. As pointed out above, you have a hole when you break the raid to remove the drive, and need to resync it to the new drive.
What you want is something that allows you to create a snapshot. Something like this: http://blogs.sun.com/mmusante/entry/rolling_snapshots_made_easy
You do realize why the labor is cheap right? Because they have a lower standard of living, comparably, to western worlds. Which is why you don't outsource your factories to Europe or Japan.
If you start taxing them to make the labor cost equivalent to the western society, you just fucked them over - how the hell are they supposed to improve their standard of living?
And before you give me any grief about well, life sucks for them, remember, the west have been exploiting the rest of the world for cheap resources for 300-400 years, and once all the gold and other resources have helped built the west up, it is of course so easy to tell the rest of the world that well, buck up, you need to build yourself up just like us.
I'm always impressed by people with a magic wand who can wave problems away.
Ah. The computer can't read your mind problem. Yes, that's a tough one to solve.
Yup, newbie. If you can't even take the time to read Dr. Cohen's PhD dissertation to understand why the "security model" you were talking about did not work (and what has changed to reduce that issue in recent years), but instead tell me that you manage 1000 servers and so on, you're a newbie or a pfy. Working in a F100 company in security is not such a big fucking deal, I have that on my resume too, 5 years of that shit. So what?
And I understand the differences between worms and viruses. But you're splitting hairs.
I can't believe someone with a 4 digit number can have such a stupid idea. The reason why there's disparities is because of scarcity of resources. For something like what you're suggesting to work, would mean that everyone has access to the same level of lifestyle. This is so far from true. At one point, one of my professors told me that the US consumes 70% of the world's resources. We definitely use a shitload of energy compared to the rest of the world.
How are you proposing to to raise the level of living in Africa so that they too can participate in this glorious new world of yours? Oh, wait, this new world is only for people whose standard of living approaches that of the western world?
And shipping by boat is far *FAR* cheaper than shipping by land. Please do some research.
What the fuck are you smoking, and would you like to share it?
Oh yes and explain to me why I see Indian CCNPs googling 'routing' and unable to answer simple queries re: spanning tree and OSPF.
That's OK. I used to work with a "I'm ccnp, but cisco lost my results, so I don't have the cert yet" NotWork engineer. Fucking lying bastard asshole. Set up a 10/8 flat network for 3000 people, 42 remote sites. Good ole white american.
What's my point? It's not the nationality or the outsourcing that is the issue, it's the damned incompetence.
I have to say, I don't think highly of your workflow solution, if projects can be submitted without appropriate paperwork.
You know, as a guy who learnt to install solaris before he learnt to install windows 3.1, and a linux user since 1995, and openbsd sine 1997 or so, I count myself as a pretty knowledgeable unix person.
And it makes me cringe everytime I see some newbie spout these lines.
Here are some facts to enlighten you:
1) The Morris worm did not run on windows.
2) Dr. Cohen, you know, the guy who did the original research on computer viruses, did his research on unix and vms.
Now, I will grant you that the situation has improved since then, but certainly not to the extent that you're now treating it as snake oil - no, UNIX will not fix everything and make you coffee as well.
But, what about the children?
You mean:
http://www.bestcleanfunnyjokes.info/index.php/site/comments/star_trekthe_next_generation_meets_microsoft_windows/
Gee, your UI can't allow you to choose themes? Has GNOME been so simplified that you can't choose any other theme?
Why the fuck was this modded troll? I want to see who modded what values, damnit.
Contributor makes an interesting observation, and some moron marks it troll. The damned troll-modder needs to be taken out and shot.
I heard on the Prairie Home Companion over the weekend that there were some concerns about the effect of DC and being the president will have on Obama's kids. Garrison basically said that historically, it's been OK, look at Chelsea, she's doing fine. The Bush twins had some rough spots in the beginning, but have settled down. Patti had her rough days, but is so-so. Carter's kid is doing OK. There's this other presidential kid... but lets not talk about him, he'll be out in a couple of days anyway...
Try the sleuthkit.
This has nothing to do with UNIX. I read your explanation in the other post you made. Basically, you took used a function in this "ERD" thing at your work to delete stuff. Whether you used one pass or three pass doesn't really matter.
If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't try to appear as if you're an expert.
I call bullshit. I just went through the SANS forensics course, and they say you can't. There was a recent challenge that nobody would take up. If you're so good, go ahead and take up the forensics challenge that was recently posted on /. IF you can read that data, then I'll believe you. Otherwise, you're just full of bullshit.