Yes but hunt the stupid users is so much fun to play just after lunch. I personally enjoy the phone calls after I've blocked them:
Stupid User: "I'm having problems with my internet connection". Super User: "What problem?" Stupid User: "It's running really slow." Super User: "Funny since stopping your KaZaa download of 'In Diana Jones', everyone else's internet access has become somewhat faster. Any actual problems I can help you with" Stupid User: "Errr no, sorry to bother you, click........"
A plus point to pay-per-meg would be to remove download bandwidth limits i.e. it would be in the telco's best interest to get that info to you as fast as it can - feed the hunger so to speak.
"Insert mangled copies of above staments that most peoples bills will probably go down"
So it may not necessarily be a bad thing - just different, but then again it could.
I thing your more likely to see them gunning for the bandwidth hogs than upgrading the network. I'm willing to bet the majority of P2P use is for sharing illegal materials. It only takes some sort of deal between the telecoms + RIAA + MPAA to start pursuing the distributers of the copyrighted materials and wham RIAA/MPAA happy, carries happy as the backbones and existing infrastructure doesn't need upgrading.
It's gonna happen. There's no way thay are going to allow situations like "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/294 0270.stm" "the Matrix Reloaded being available for download 1 week after relaease" to continue - and do you know what I agree with them. You want the stuff buy it - don't agree with the music industry ethics don't buy it.
Freeloaders are going to kill P2P if things continue.
Your missing the point. While SPAM is drowning out legit mail at an unacceptable rate you have to remember they are for the most part a paltry text file. Yes I know the quantity of SPAM can make this into a large amount of bandwidth but the 40-50 SPAM most people get a day don't compare to the 600MB latest game copy being downloaded by P2P users or the 3GB copy of the Matrix Reloaded "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/294 0270.stm"
I'm all for P2P being used for legitimate distribution of files but I cetainly don't agree with use of bandwidth being used for illegal file sharing of copyrighted materials and willing to bet a vast proportion of P2P files sharing is illegal files.
If P2P continues to be used for this purpose on this scale there is going to be a serious backlash and the minority of legit P2P users are going to get burned.
nVidia is dying... No their not.. ATi linux drivers suck.. Ati Windows drivers suck.. No they don't.... Benchmarks mean nothing... Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
Stop wasting your time...everyone buys their graphics cards based on what features are important to them. Whether it is raw performance, quality, driver stability, support, supported OS's, cost, availability etc... it is most likely a comprised mix of all of the above.
"Oh wait... it's not funny at all. I forgot -- this same joke has been repeated"...blah blah blah
Whatever, the joke will probably be repeated in every other article refering to a low powered box of some sort. Each time the person that posts get responses similar to the three before you that point out what causes the box to be perfectly fine for running a website and what does actually chew your CPU up (dynamic pages, db lookups, SSL). So what the orig post gets moderated funny then there are some informative responses.
Trawl through all the older articles and posts and you will notice a trend. Collate them all and you could compose a monster FAQ on a lot of subjects.
I also would have said your unlikley to see a P4 in a minitx box....that was until I looked on the first page of www.mini-itx.com to see the headline "Pentium 4M Mini-ITX from Commell" felt like a bit of a dobber then - doh!
I didn't say it wouldn't be useful in fact for the most part it won't. I'm making a pretty good guess here that the a P4 would cream the Nehemiah M10000 at all the usual benchmarks. My point is you would benchmark against processors in a similar/related class Durons, Celerons, Nat Semi Geodes (if they are still around), etc. There is little point in comparing a truck to a car when asking which will transport more cargo or which is more cost effective for the job. You may however compare a van with a truck both are used for more similar tasks.
This essentially prevents them from going after end users - it does not stop them going after IBM for the alledged action of releasing SCO IP into the public domain.
They're comments about going after end users is just to cause some panic and detract from the silly mistake they have commited themslves to.
IBM has called they're bluff. If for instance SCO privately find they have mad a mistake in pursuing this course of action do you think they will publicly say so - nope they will try and cause enough trouble to detract from the mistake and hope they get bought out.
Its all very well us techies that understand the issues (hahahahahah) of this case but there are plenty of IT purchasers who will be scared off from deploying linux by the bad press (Caldera)SCO is causing.
SCO has just give some of the MS FUD an air of legitimacy that will leave questions hanging over Linux for a looooong time. The fact that there is a hint of risk will scare some people. Of course our (Linux/OSS) saving grace will be the tighter IT budgets and the licensing stupidity of certain large companies.
I work for a company that has SCO UnixWare deployed quite extensively. SCO/United Linux was to be the next step - my not so open minded senior colleague is already in a flap about the SCO FUD mail we received this morning.
To cut the rambling my point is that (Caldera)SCO is doing the linux community a great disservice at the moment. Unless (Caldera)SCO is utterly squashed for their underhand tactics there will be others that will try this trick again in the future.
You should also tend to to use the term CalderaSCO. It is the Caldera mind that is driving the SCO brand into the mud. Caldera were a bad Linux company and thought they could re-gain some respect by rebranding themselves with a less tainted name - didnn't change the nature of the beast though.
Businesses may want the a support contact that I don't think you can get from Debian.
As Debian is sooooo stable (and changes infrequently) I always wondered why more SW companies don't list Debian as a suported Linux platform. But it comes down to support, theyre not going to qualify a product on a platform they can't get business support for.
It's crap that SW companies will qualify a product on a RedHat or SuSE platform that becomes outdated in 6 months. Its to expensive to retest every Six months so technicaly don't support newer distributions (this why RH is shipping AS and AW versions).
Perhaps thats what Libranet's aiming for - bu then again they appear to be a little known disti so I'm talking crap.
The idea is a nice try but fataly flawed i'm afraid.
This all relies on other people doing the right thing. E-mail protection will only come from a solution you can enforce pretty much by your self.
I'm talking a default deny (REJECT) all policy for e-mails...a white list. The only mail that makes it in to my inbox is being on that list.
You can have various ways of initiating contact such as a human authenticator. (See www.hushmail.com).
MTA verifying that the mail comes from a valid named MX address. We have MX records for receiving mail why not for sending alternatively that the mails from the domain belong to the IP address/block.
I've mentioned Hushmail already but they apply the above with (from personal experience) success. I used to receive 5-10 spam a day - until I enbled the whitelist and human authenticator. Whitelist divert staright to my inbox those that are not receive a mail requiring them to authenticate they are a person using a click the picture in the right place applet. Those that are pending auth go into a holding directory for you to check or just outright delete. I found that once I had white listed any automated mails that I recive from services important to me (bank, mailing lists, etc) over a few weeks I have had no problems since.
Go have a look. SPAM can be beaten using a good technological approach not legislation - we have enough of that already.
This whole naming argument is a good example of the lack of thought people put into naming their products. The firebird database people should have distiguished their name e.g. FirebirdDB or what ever just as Mozilla should have been firebirdbrowser firebirdweb or whatever.
If you use a really generalised term to name your project/product there are bound to be clashes and cross branding. This is only going to happen more often until people give more thought to their naming schemes.
The stupidity of who has more right to the name is bollocks paticuarly if the name is ripped straight out of a dictionary and not individualised.
If caught drink driving in the UK you recive an instant ban, 12 points on your driving lic and a fine. The length of the ban and fine is dependant on circumstances (in rare conditons, e.g. dependant for disabled family, the ban can be quashed in favour of a more hefty fine).
The UK drink driving rate has been decreasing due to a maturing cultural attitude as you mentioned and the economics of being banned. When I say the economics you get dicked by the insurance companies if you get a large number of points or a ban.
Point to note if you accrue(sp?) 12/13 points you automaticly get a 12 month (can vary depending on circumstances) ban. Points take 3 years to be removed.
The rest of Europe not sure but drink driving is becoming very socialy unacceptable in the UK. Over the Christmas period when drink driving is at its worst the Police were offering £1000 rewards if you reported (and then convicted) a drink driver.
I don't know if cable suffer the same signal (hence bandwidth) degradation over distance that effects DSL.
When BT were rolling out ADSL services in the UK you had to be within 1.5km of the exchange's. The further you are away from the exchange you get less bandwidth. Again I'm unaware of the current limits.
Ok I understand where your comming from with this and smoking may not have been the most appropriate way of saying the even when there is a penalty (be it severe or not) there will always be those that belive they will get away with it. How do I back this up well:
look at countries that lop limbs off for stealing despite the severe penalty you still get theft (even if you include pressuring factors such as poverty).
Drink driving - no (possibly mild) addiction yet plenty of people do it despite the possibility of getting caught.
blah blah.... the list go's on. All have factors that effect the particular situation. My point if there's a chance of getting away with it people will take that chance wether it be file sharing, copying sw, stealing murder or killing your self with drugs/booze/fags. Its human nature to think "it won't happen to me".
"If you knew that there was a small chance that the police would kill you for it, would you stop doing it?"
Not really, how many people belive it will not happen to them? Look at smoking, the packects say on them "these things will kill you and give you cancer" but people still keep on doing it.
Up the percentage killed and over a (shorter) period of time people that are inclined to jaywalk will be removed from the gene pool thus a form of darwinian(sp?) natural selection will prevail reducing the number of jaywalker/stupin people.
"Why don't those in charge understand that it isn't in _their_ long term interests?"
They never have and are unlikely to start now. As to why couldn't say, but I would hazard a guess that those who make the decisions have they're information fed to them through a chain of people/underlings - the info gets diluted/changed as it progresses up the chain. Result the decisions that are made are loosely related to the original information.
I wondered why IRC did not hold its ground (grow) as the original widely used IM.
But as there was no central IRC body to 'market' it or be inclined to make it more attractive/inviting it would hve to be bettered/improved by someone else.
Once it becomes popular and accessible multiple approaches and implementations imerge. We then have large but fragmented userbases. Someone will push an interoperable system and the rest will have to join the fold or perish.
Not used GAIM but I should giveit a try. Like I said though Trillian does a good job. I've had less experience with Jabber but that has potential.
"As other people have said why not just role out jabber?......BIt of a no brainer?"
Do you know many CTO's and purchasing people?
on are more serious note it will probably be sold to those with existing Sun infrastructure and will augment it - they probably already have their market.
"That hardly matters for corporate users, at whom this product is aimed."
Really I/my department use IM with some of our clients quite extensively. Communication systems are at their best when they can connect to other communcation systems - singuler they are useful but interconnected are powerful. Seeing as the current IM's don't interconnect they're not going to fulfil they're potencial.
Sun's messaging server is a bit late in the game and I doubt is going to be the one to unite them all. Jabber could but there are not enough heavyweight playes or large enough userbase behind it. Now if IBM started deploying interoperable Jabber messaging servers....
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Yes but hunt the stupid users is so much fun to play just after lunch. I personally enjoy the phone calls after I've blocked them:
:)
Stupid User: "I'm having problems with my internet connection".
Super User: "What problem?"
Stupid User: "It's running really slow."
Super User: "Funny since stopping your KaZaa download of 'In Diana Jones', everyone else's internet access has become somewhat faster. Any actual problems I can help you with"
Stupid User: "Errr no, sorry to bother you, click........"
What would I do in it's place?
A plus point to pay-per-meg would be to remove download bandwidth limits i.e. it would be in the telco's best interest to get that info to you as fast as it can - feed the hunger so to speak.
"Insert mangled copies of above staments that most peoples bills will probably go down"
So it may not necessarily be a bad thing - just different, but then again it could.
They're going to have to open up their wallets
4 0270.stm" "the Matrix Reloaded being available for download 1 week after relaease" to continue - and do you know what I agree with them. You want the stuff buy it - don't agree with the music industry ethics don't buy it.
I thing your more likely to see them gunning for the bandwidth hogs than upgrading the network. I'm willing to bet the majority of P2P use is for sharing illegal materials. It only takes some sort of deal between the telecoms + RIAA + MPAA to start pursuing the distributers of the copyrighted materials and wham RIAA/MPAA happy, carries happy as the backbones and existing infrastructure doesn't need upgrading.
It's gonna happen. There's no way thay are going to allow situations like "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/29
Freeloaders are going to kill P2P if things continue.
Your missing the point. While SPAM is drowning out legit mail at an unacceptable rate you have to remember they are for the most part a paltry text file. Yes I know the quantity of SPAM can make this into a large amount of bandwidth but the 40-50 SPAM most people get a day don't compare to the 600MB latest game copy being downloaded by P2P users or the 3GB copy of the Matrix Reloaded "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/294 0270.stm"
I'm all for P2P being used for legitimate distribution of files but I cetainly don't agree with use of bandwidth being used for illegal file sharing of copyrighted materials and willing to bet a vast proportion of P2P files sharing is illegal files.
If P2P continues to be used for this purpose on this scale there is going to be a serious backlash and the minority of legit P2P users are going to get burned.
Summary of next 500 posts.
nVidia is dying...
No their not..
ATi linux drivers suck..
Ati Windows drivers suck..
No they don't....
Benchmarks mean nothing...
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
Stop wasting your time...everyone buys their graphics cards based on what features are important to them. Whether it is raw performance, quality, driver stability, support, supported OS's, cost, availability etc... it is most likely a comprised mix of all of the above.
Yep - you got it.
"Oh wait... it's not funny at all. I forgot -- this same joke has been repeated"...blah blah blah
Whatever, the joke will probably be repeated in every other article refering to a low powered box of some sort. Each time the person that posts get responses similar to the three before you that point out what causes the box to be perfectly fine for running a website and what does actually chew your CPU up (dynamic pages, db lookups, SSL). So what the orig post gets moderated funny then there are some informative responses.
Trawl through all the older articles and posts and you will notice a trend. Collate them all and you could compose a monster FAQ on a lot of subjects.
I also would have said your unlikley to see a P4 in a minitx box....that was until I looked on the first page of www.mini-itx.com to see the headline "Pentium 4M Mini-ITX from Commell" felt like a bit of a dobber then - doh!
I didn't say it wouldn't be useful in fact for the most part it won't. I'm making a pretty good guess here that the a P4 would cream the Nehemiah M10000 at all the usual benchmarks. My point is you would benchmark against processors in a similar/related class Durons, Celerons, Nat Semi Geodes (if they are still around), etc. There is little point in comparing a truck to a car when asking which will transport more cargo or which is more cost effective for the job. You may however compare a van with a truck both are used for more similar tasks.
One would hope they don't host their site on a mini-itx box :)
errr beause the two are completly different uses.
The mini-itx stuff is all about power consumption or lack thereof and low noise solutions.
Why do you think I don't compare my shitty little commuter car to a bloody ferrari.
Very insightful first post.
This essentially prevents them from going after end users - it does not stop them going after IBM for the alledged action of releasing SCO IP into the public domain.
They're comments about going after end users is just to cause some panic and detract from the silly mistake they have commited themslves to.
IBM has called they're bluff. If for instance SCO privately find they have mad a mistake in pursuing this course of action do you think they will publicly say so - nope they will try and cause enough trouble to detract from the mistake and hope they get bought out.
Its all very well us techies that understand the issues (hahahahahah) of this case but there are plenty of IT purchasers who will be scared off from deploying linux by the bad press (Caldera)SCO is causing.
SCO has just give some of the MS FUD an air of legitimacy that will leave questions hanging over Linux for a looooong time. The fact that there is a hint of risk will scare some people. Of course our (Linux/OSS) saving grace will be the tighter IT budgets and the licensing stupidity of certain large companies.
I work for a company that has SCO UnixWare deployed quite extensively. SCO/United Linux was to be the next step - my not so open minded senior colleague is already in a flap about the SCO FUD mail we received this morning.
To cut the rambling my point is that (Caldera)SCO is doing the linux community a great disservice at the moment. Unless (Caldera)SCO is utterly squashed for their underhand tactics there will be others that will try this trick again in the future.
You should also tend to to use the term CalderaSCO. It is the Caldera mind that is driving the SCO brand into the mud. Caldera were a bad Linux company and thought they could re-gain some respect by rebranding themselves with a less tainted name - didnn't change the nature of the beast though.
"Minitel is trusted not just because it is an integral part of French life, but because its closed network is guaranteed virus-free and hacker-proof."
Hmmm you just know thats asking for trouble.
Businesses may want the a support contact that I don't think you can get from Debian.
As Debian is sooooo stable (and changes infrequently) I always wondered why more SW companies don't list Debian as a suported Linux platform. But it comes down to support, theyre not going to qualify a product on a platform they can't get business support for.
It's crap that SW companies will qualify a product on a RedHat or SuSE platform that becomes outdated in 6 months. Its to expensive to retest every Six months so technicaly don't support newer distributions (this why RH is shipping AS and AW versions).
Perhaps thats what Libranet's aiming for - bu then again they appear to be a little known disti so I'm talking crap.
The idea is a nice try but fataly flawed i'm afraid.
This all relies on other people doing the right thing. E-mail protection will only come from a solution you can enforce pretty much by your self.
I'm talking a default deny (REJECT) all policy for e-mails...a white list. The only mail that makes it in to my inbox is being on that list.
You can have various ways of initiating contact such as a human authenticator. (See www.hushmail.com).
MTA verifying that the mail comes from a valid named MX address. We have MX records for receiving mail why not for sending alternatively that the mails from the domain belong to the IP address/block.
I've mentioned Hushmail already but they apply the above with (from personal experience) success. I used to receive 5-10 spam a day - until I enbled the whitelist and human authenticator. Whitelist divert staright to my inbox those that are not receive a mail requiring them to authenticate they are a person using a click the picture in the right place applet. Those that are pending auth go into a holding directory for you to check or just outright delete. I found that once I had white listed any automated mails that I recive from services important to me (bank, mailing lists, etc) over a few weeks I have had no problems since.
Go have a look. SPAM can be beaten using a good technological approach not legislation - we have enough of that already.
This whole naming argument is a good example of the lack of thought people put into naming their products. The firebird database people should have distiguished their name e.g. FirebirdDB or what ever just as Mozilla should have been firebirdbrowser firebirdweb or whatever.
If you use a really generalised term to name your project/product there are bound to be clashes and cross branding. This is only going to happen more often until people give more thought to their naming schemes.
The stupidity of who has more right to the name is bollocks paticuarly if the name is ripped straight out of a dictionary and not individualised.
If caught drink driving in the UK you recive an instant ban, 12 points on your driving lic and a fine. The length of the ban and fine is dependant on circumstances (in rare conditons, e.g. dependant for disabled family, the ban can be quashed in favour of a more hefty fine).
The UK drink driving rate has been decreasing due to a maturing cultural attitude as you mentioned and the economics of being banned. When I say the economics you get dicked by the insurance companies if you get a large number of points or a ban.
Point to note if you accrue(sp?) 12/13 points you automaticly get a 12 month (can vary depending on circumstances) ban. Points take 3 years to be removed.
The rest of Europe not sure but drink driving is becoming very socialy unacceptable in the UK. Over the Christmas period when drink driving is at its worst the Police were offering £1000 rewards if you reported (and then convicted) a drink driver.
I don't know if cable suffer the same signal (hence bandwidth) degradation over distance that effects DSL.
When BT were rolling out ADSL services in the UK you had to be within 1.5km of the exchange's. The further you are away from the exchange you get less bandwidth. Again I'm unaware of the current limits.
Does any one know if cable suffers the same?
Ok I understand where your comming from with this and smoking may not have been the most appropriate way of saying the even when there is a penalty (be it severe or not) there will always be those that belive they will get away with it. How do I back this up well:
.... the list go's on. All have factors that effect the particular situation. My point if there's a chance of getting away with it people will take that chance wether it be file sharing, copying sw, stealing murder or killing your self with drugs/booze/fags. Its human nature to think "it won't happen to me".
look at countries that lop limbs off for stealing despite the severe penalty you still get theft (even if you include pressuring factors such as poverty).
Drink driving - no (possibly mild) addiction yet plenty of people do it despite the possibility of getting caught.
blah blah
Of course my poor spelling may put me in the "stupin people" group :p
"If you knew that there was a small chance that the police would kill you for it, would you stop doing it?"
Not really, how many people belive it will not happen to them? Look at smoking, the packects say on them "these things will kill you and give you cancer" but people still keep on doing it.
Up the percentage killed and over a (shorter) period of time people that are inclined to jaywalk will be removed from the gene pool thus a form of darwinian(sp?) natural selection will prevail reducing the number of jaywalker/stupin people.
This would scale well to other situations...
"Why don't those in charge understand that it isn't in _their_ long term interests?"
They never have and are unlikely to start now. As to why couldn't say, but I would hazard a guess that those who make the decisions have they're information fed to them through a chain of people/underlings - the info gets diluted/changed as it progresses up the chain. Result the decisions that are made are loosely related to the original information.
I wondered why IRC did not hold its ground (grow) as the original widely used IM.
But as there was no central IRC body to 'market' it or be inclined to make it more attractive/inviting it would hve to be bettered/improved by someone else.
Once it becomes popular and accessible multiple approaches and implementations imerge. We then have large but fragmented userbases. Someone will push an interoperable system and the rest will have to join the fold or perish.
Not used GAIM but I should giveit a try. Like I said though Trillian does a good job. I've had less experience with Jabber but that has potential.
"As other people have said why not just role out jabber?......BIt of a no brainer?"
Do you know many CTO's and purchasing people?
on are more serious note it will probably be sold to those with existing Sun infrastructure and will augment it - they probably already have their market.
"That hardly matters for corporate users, at whom this product is aimed."
Really I/my department use IM with some of our clients quite extensively. Communication systems are at their best when they can connect to other communcation systems - singuler they are useful but interconnected are powerful. Seeing as the current IM's don't interconnect they're not going to fulfil they're potencial.
Sun's messaging server is a bit late in the game and I doubt is going to be the one to unite them all. Jabber could but there are not enough heavyweight playes or large enough userbase behind it. Now if IBM started deploying interoperable Jabber messaging servers....
Who evers pushes interoperability will win.
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