Yeah well until they all unite behind a single open protocol and integrate together its going to stay as fragmented as the old BBS systems were.
Jabber for as much as I love it does not seem to be making the headway thats needed to make it a leader in the field. Pehaps if the Linux distis started bundling preconfigured jabber servers that can be easily made to interoperate/connect it could happen but at the moment it just doesn't have the expose and userbase it needs to go big time. .
"for businesses which don't wish to rely on an outside network for their messaging"
They may not wish to rely on outside systems for internal communication but connections to outside IM systems may be essential. I won't lie I've not read the link yet. But my first though is how it would interact with other messaging systems.
The current biggies AIM, MSN, ICQ and Yahoo are no good as fragmented seperates - think back to BBS systems. Until they all sit down and decide to play together and use an Open standard it's not going to be as usefull as it could be. Untill then people will use what ever "frigs" they can to get them to interoperate such as Trillian (recommned the pro version by the way) or Jabbers connections.
Of course being HW focused if Sun push for an Open messaging standard touting their HW to power it all we could see some action but unfortunately they are a bit late in the game to weild that sort of power.
IM should interoperate and be as widespread as e-mail but it won't while everyone diggs in and backs their own standard. .
Hey I sympathise with your situtation - I have colleagues that live in a small town that can't get either (ADSL comming......some time). Yeah it sucks but..
"In the UK, you either live in an NTL area, Telewest area, another provider, or you can't get cable (me)."
What do you expect. The cost of laying cable, equipment and connecting people is expensive. Most of the UK can not economically support several cableco's in a single area. Look at from the money point if it costs you say £2mil to cable a smallish town and only a certain percentage of the population would even entertain cable/ADSL, the ROI (Return On Investment) from that percentage has got to be greater than the cost of implementing*. If that percentage is split between competition its got to a high percentage to even contemplate suceeding. Thats why heavily populated areas such as cities get more competition, more choice and sometimes better rates. Small towns get whoever first determines they might make some money.
*In small towns BT would not commit to thinking of an exchange upgrade unless 200-500 people registered interest.
Telecoms is a business money, hence ROI, talks the loudest.
The only reason the cable companies can compete with BT is because they provide three different services they can make money off. If that didn't exist it would be BT all the way.
Hey I'm a UK resident, use NTL, have friends on ADSL and read the Reg and the bible of BOFH each day. And I'll have to take exception to the statement
"that if you are in a NTL area you have to use NTL"
Wrong NTL does not have a manopoly on peoples choices. BT being the most widespread Teleco HAD the monopoly and for ADSL still does (because they own all the exhanges and backbone). NTL had something of a monolpy on broadband supply over cable as BT have/had chosen not to implement ADSL on many exchanges (this is changing) and if you did live near an ADSL exchange you have/had to live within 1.5 miles or km (can't remember) - rember ADSL signals degrade over distance.
In my personal experience and those of my friends and colleagues NTL Braodband does knick ass my friend but I am aware what suites some does not suite all.
If you don't like it use BT, Telewest cable or the multitude of other ADSL companies springing up.
I understand that the ruling is wrong however as they are saying the service you provide is a broadband service but you can't call it that. If the 128k service does not suit your needs then you can up your tariff and bandwidth to one of the faster/broader services.
Its also to note that the other telco services in the UK do NOT offer a comparable service at the same price its either dialup, ISDN () or full ADSL. NTL are offering a cheaper and better alternative (at least to dialup and ISDN) with the range of services. This is why they are kicking ass in the number of people that are signing up to NTL and is probably why the other Telco's are complaining.
"BTW, the main advantage..." I know mate... I'm a Net/Sys Admin;)
I have the NTL 128k "Broadband" service at home and it suits my needs.
I wouldn't call it slow. Low latency when gaming and download speeds are reasonable particularly for the £15pcm (cheap) it costs and its always available (ignoring network outages). Bearing in mind that some/most dialup services cost £15pcm plus any additional call charges that may occur plus your phone line is then tied up - the NTL is twice as fast, always on and costs less to run.
It is slow however "compared" to the 600k and 1M services. But the problems I have seen with atleast the 1M service is that you have more bandwidth than most of the servers out there and the speed is never fully utilised - at the moment.
I'm not saying its lightning fast but then I don't mind waiting a few minutes for a 10MB download.
The ruling is wrong as they are saying the service you provide is a broadband service but you can't call it that. If the 128k service does not suit your needs then you can up your tariff and bandwidth to one of the faster/broader services.
Its also to note that the other telco services in the UK do NOT offer a comparable service its dialup or full ADSL. Because NTL offer a cheaper and better alternative with a range of services is why they are kicking ass in the number of people signing up to NTL.
I have the NTL 128k "Broadband" service at home and it suits my needs with no problems.
I wouldn't call it slow. Low latency when gaming and download speeds are reasonable for £15pcm (cheap) and its always available (in theory). Bearing in mind that some/most dialup services cost £15pcm plus any additional call charges that may occur plus your phone line is then tied up.
It is slow however compared to the 600k and 1M services. But the problems I have seen with the 1M is that you have more bandwidth than most of the servers out there and the speed is never fully utilised - at the moment.
I understand what your saying and agree to a certain extent. But remember there is a gradient of interest parents can show in their childs progress from casual monitoring to interfering.
The point I was trying to make and possibly not explained very well was....if you know your parents can be aware of you behaviour and academic progress much more closely whould it make you be more well behaved (cause less trouble & less lippy to the teachers/staff) and improve your results.
If these things are not tried out we will not know if it could improve schooling or be more detrimental.
I would spell check my comment but I should have left work 2hours ago and I'm going home.
(and no I don't belive money/academic achievment equates to happiness but it can help) .
I've no proof to back up this up and I've unfortunately not had chance to read your link yet but... as far as I am aware British Airways prior to the (9/11, Iraq, SARS) airline industry crisis was turning quite a good profit on the Concord flights.
The only reason both France and BA are grounding Concords is the global economic climate, something that going to effect many more industries yet.
What will be interesting to see is if grades are better becuse of the scrutiny your parents may put you under.
We always bang on that greater transparency of Government on Companies will force them to behave better.. I guess it also applies to individuals/smaller groups. If it improves grades great...the security of this is appaling though and perhaps has some legal/privacy implications for the education institutions that use it - in the UK the Data Protection Act requires compaies to secure their data on individuals. .
The very expensive ticket prices somewhat caps your potential market and in the current economic climate makes them somewhat unnecessary.
The current fall in international flights is not going to convince the manufactures that a replacement is worth chasing any time soon.
Remember Supersonic flight changes the rules for design, manufacture and materials - all more costly. Supersonic flight puts mush more stress on the craft and is also subject to a change in physics (relative to subsonic speed..no flames please). IIRC the cross section of a supersonic body has to change within a given constant...hence why Supersonic jets look similar. Supersonic speed does not lend its self well to providing lots of space within the craft/plane - once again not very cost effective for ferrying people or goods over the globe. .
"Instead, they seem to be obsessed with cranking out either bigger, more luxurious craft"
Because they cost less to develop, have a lager sales base and are in demand - all commercially justify "cranking out either bigger, more luxurious craft" than a supersonic craft.
Tickets for BA Concord cost around £4000 (~$6000) each. This somewhat caps your potential market and in the current economic climate makes them somewhat redundant.
The current fall in international flights is not going to convince the manufactures that a replacement is worth chasing any time soon.
Remember Supersonic flight changes the rules for design, manufacture and materials - all more costly.
for a replacement. Developing Concord took two government backed companies 13 years (1963-1976?) to develop and put into service.
The process nearly bankrupt both companies and were heavilly bailed out by their respective governments (UK and France). As such I can't see a replacement happening for a long long time. There will have to be some serious incentive (money) for a replacement to be comissioned - until then its a case of what we have will do...
Actually I believe we are heading for three namely Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia. The Ministry of Truth will tell me everything I need to know and the Ministry of Love will protect me.
It is with some irony the US/UK are labelled as only being after the oil when France has its own nice little Food for Oil scheme thats currently in place.
Frances motives may not be a noble as they make out. .
To a point I'm OK with the distrobutions providing non GPL management tools.
Each distro requires something to differentiate it form the others. If I was CompanyA and I spend a lot of time/money developing a tools that is then ripped for nothing by CompanyB on release which Company will survive longer?
Its still OSS but sometimes you need some protection for your work - I don't see a problem with this.
Oh you are missing a wonderful feature. Tabs are fantastic and when combined with mousegestures as used in Mozilla and Phoenix - thats where things get really powerfull. Give it a try once you get used to it its difficult to go back.
I do however understand your point and the option should be there to not use tabs.
Most recent large/popular distributions of *nix with an MTA installed tend to only listen by DEFAULT to the localhost for connections.
So NO as per OpenBSD's claim "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 7 years!" see "http://www.openbsd.org/" there is not a "remote root hole for OpenBSD users" in the default install.
If you have opened up Sendmail to the outside world it's YOUR responsibility to make sure its kept up to date and secure. .
If I use my card and get my pin number wrong three times the ATM shreds my card.
If my eyes are wrong will the ATM shred my eyes with a laser. What if some one steals my eyes in a "Demolition Man - Simon Phoenix" stylee and robs my bank account. That could make for a messy robbery.
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Yeah well until they all unite behind a single open protocol and integrate together its going to stay as fragmented as the old BBS systems were.
Jabber for as much as I love it does not seem to be making the headway thats needed to make it a leader in the field. Pehaps if the Linux distis started bundling preconfigured jabber servers that can be easily made to interoperate/connect it could happen but at the moment it just doesn't have the expose and userbase it needs to go big time.
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"for businesses which don't wish to rely on an outside network for their messaging"
They may not wish to rely on outside systems for internal communication but connections to outside IM systems may be essential. I won't lie I've not read the link yet. But my first though is how it would interact with other messaging systems.
The current biggies AIM, MSN, ICQ and Yahoo are no good as fragmented seperates - think back to BBS systems. Until they all sit down and decide to play together and use an Open standard it's not going to be as usefull as it could be. Untill then people will use what ever "frigs" they can to get them to interoperate such as Trillian (recommned the pro version by the way) or Jabbers connections.
Of course being HW focused if Sun push for an Open messaging standard touting their HW to power it all we could see some action but unfortunately they are a bit late in the game to weild that sort of power.
IM should interoperate and be as widespread as e-mail but it won't while everyone diggs in and backs their own standard.
.
Hey I sympathise with your situtation - I have colleagues that live in a small town that can't get either (ADSL comming......some time). Yeah it sucks but..
"In the UK, you either live in an NTL area, Telewest area, another provider, or you can't get cable (me)."
What do you expect. The cost of laying cable, equipment and connecting people is expensive. Most of the UK can not economically support several cableco's in a single area. Look at from the money point if it costs you say £2mil to cable a smallish town and only a certain percentage of the population would even entertain cable/ADSL, the ROI (Return On Investment) from that percentage has got to be greater than the cost of implementing*. If that percentage is split between competition its got to a high percentage to even contemplate suceeding. Thats why heavily populated areas such as cities get more competition, more choice and sometimes better rates. Small towns get whoever first determines they might make some money.
*In small towns BT would not commit to thinking of an exchange upgrade unless 200-500 people registered interest.
Telecoms is a business money, hence ROI, talks the loudest.
The only reason the cable companies can compete with BT is because they provide three different services they can make money off. If that didn't exist it would be BT all the way.
Hey I'm a UK resident, use NTL, have friends on ADSL and read the Reg and the bible of BOFH each day. And I'll have to take exception to the statement
"that if you are in a NTL area you have to use NTL"
Wrong NTL does not have a manopoly on peoples choices. BT being the most widespread Teleco HAD the monopoly and for ADSL still does (because they own all the exhanges and backbone). NTL had something of a monolpy on broadband supply over cable as BT have/had chosen not to implement ADSL on many exchanges (this is changing) and if you did live near an ADSL exchange you have/had to live within 1.5 miles or km (can't remember) - rember ADSL signals degrade over distance.
In my personal experience and those of my friends and colleagues NTL Braodband does knick ass my friend but I am aware what suites some does not suite all.
If you don't like it use BT, Telewest cable or the multitude of other ADSL companies springing up.
.
I understand that the ruling is wrong however as they are saying the service you provide is a broadband service but you can't call it that. If the 128k service does not suit your needs then you can up your tariff and bandwidth to one of the faster/broader services.
;)
Its also to note that the other telco services in the UK do NOT offer a comparable service at the same price its either dialup, ISDN () or full ADSL. NTL are offering a cheaper and better alternative (at least to dialup and ISDN) with the range of services. This is why they are kicking ass in the number of people that are signing up to NTL and is probably why the other Telco's are complaining.
"BTW, the main advantage..." I know mate... I'm a Net/Sys Admin
I have the NTL 128k "Broadband" service at home and it suits my needs.
I wouldn't call it slow. Low latency when gaming and download speeds are reasonable particularly for the £15pcm (cheap) it costs and its always available (ignoring network outages). Bearing in mind that some/most dialup services cost £15pcm plus any additional call charges that may occur plus your phone line is then tied up - the NTL is twice as fast, always on and costs less to run.
It is slow however "compared" to the 600k and 1M services. But the problems I have seen with atleast the 1M service is that you have more bandwidth than most of the servers out there and the speed is never fully utilised - at the moment.
I'm not saying its lightning fast but then I don't mind waiting a few minutes for a 10MB download.
The ruling is wrong as they are saying the service you provide is a broadband service but you can't call it that. If the 128k service does not suit your needs then you can up your tariff and bandwidth to one of the faster/broader services.
Its also to note that the other telco services in the UK do NOT offer a comparable service its dialup or full ADSL. Because NTL offer a cheaper and better alternative with a range of services is why they are kicking ass in the number of people signing up to NTL.
I have the NTL 128k "Broadband" service at home and it suits my needs with no problems.
I wouldn't call it slow. Low latency when gaming and download speeds are reasonable for £15pcm (cheap) and its always available (in theory). Bearing in mind that some/most dialup services cost £15pcm plus any additional call charges that may occur plus your phone line is then tied up.
It is slow however compared to the 600k and 1M services. But the problems I have seen with the 1M is that you have more bandwidth than most of the servers out there and the speed is never fully utilised - at the moment.
I understand what your saying and agree to a certain extent. But remember there is a gradient of interest parents can show in their childs progress from casual monitoring to interfering.
The point I was trying to make and possibly not explained very well was....if you know your parents can be aware of you behaviour and academic progress much more closely whould it make you be more well behaved (cause less trouble & less lippy to the teachers/staff) and improve your results.
If these things are not tried out we will not know if it could improve schooling or be more detrimental.
I would spell check my comment but I should have left work 2hours ago and I'm going home.
(and no I don't belive money/academic achievment equates to happiness but it can help)
.
I've no proof to back up this up and I've unfortunately not had chance to read your link yet but... as far as I am aware British Airways prior to the (9/11, Iraq, SARS) airline industry crisis was turning quite a good profit on the Concord flights.
The only reason both France and BA are grounding Concords is the global economic climate, something that going to effect many more industries yet.
What will be interesting to see is if grades are better becuse of the scrutiny your parents may put you under.
We always bang on that greater transparency of Government on Companies will force them to behave better.. I guess it also applies to individuals/smaller groups. If it improves grades great...the security of this is appaling though and perhaps has some legal/privacy implications for the education institutions that use it - in the UK the Data Protection Act requires compaies to secure their data on individuals.
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"every night my parents go on and check to see if i have any homework and won't let me do anything till it's done"
:)
You'll reap the rewards for your parents vigilence.
Hhahahahahahaha who am I trying to fool...unlucky
The very expensive ticket prices somewhat caps your potential market and in the current economic climate makes them somewhat unnecessary.
The current fall in international flights is not going to convince the manufactures that a replacement is worth chasing any time soon.
Remember Supersonic flight changes the rules for design, manufacture and materials - all more costly. Supersonic flight puts mush more stress on the craft and is also subject to a change in physics (relative to subsonic speed..no flames please). IIRC the cross section of a supersonic body has to change within a given constant...hence why Supersonic jets look similar. Supersonic speed does not lend its self well to providing lots of space within the craft/plane - once again not very cost effective for ferrying people or goods over the globe.
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"Instead, they seem to be obsessed with cranking out either bigger, more luxurious craft"
Because they cost less to develop, have a lager sales base and are in demand - all commercially justify "cranking out either bigger, more luxurious craft" than a supersonic craft.
Tickets for BA Concord cost around £4000 (~$6000) each. This somewhat caps your potential market and in the current economic climate makes them somewhat redundant.
The current fall in international flights is not going to convince the manufactures that a replacement is worth chasing any time soon.
Remember Supersonic flight changes the rules for design, manufacture and materials - all more costly.
.
Yeah but it's a testament to good design that it has lasted this long and not been replaced (economic factors withstanding).
Essentially the design has fullfilled its function for a loooooong time. Imagine the improvements that can be made.
The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk) has some good info.
for a replacement. Developing Concord took two government backed companies 13 years (1963-1976?) to develop and put into service.
The process nearly bankrupt both companies and were heavilly bailed out by their respective governments (UK and France). As such I can't see a replacement happening for a long long time. There will have to be some serious incentive (money) for a replacement to be comissioned - until then its a case of what we have will do...
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"We're heading for a one world government"
Actually I believe we are heading for three namely Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia. The Ministry of Truth will tell me everything I need to know and the Ministry of Love will protect me.
Read a classic...........1984.
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It is with some irony the US/UK are labelled as only being after the oil when France has its own nice little Food for Oil scheme thats currently in place.
Frances motives may not be a noble as they make out.
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To a point I'm OK with the distrobutions providing non GPL management tools.
Each distro requires something to differentiate it form the others. If I was CompanyA and I spend a lot of time/money developing a tools that is then ripped for nothing by CompanyB on release which Company will survive longer?
Its still OSS but sometimes you need some protection for your work - I don't see a problem with this.
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"Both Mandrake and Knoppix clearly out-detect SuSE in some areas."
How? Where's the compasrison? or is it just the usual Slashdot "It's true because I say it is".
Backup your statements or label it as opinion.
Oh you are missing a wonderful feature. Tabs are fantastic and when combined with mousegestures as used in Mozilla and Phoenix - thats where things get really powerfull. Give it a try once you get used to it its difficult to go back.
I do however understand your point and the option should be there to not use tabs.
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I'll bite - Nope.
Most recent large/popular distributions of *nix with an MTA installed tend to only listen by DEFAULT to the localhost for connections.
So NO as per OpenBSD's claim "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 7 years!" see "http://www.openbsd.org/" there is not a "remote root hole for OpenBSD users" in the default install.
If you have opened up Sendmail to the outside world it's YOUR responsibility to make sure its kept up to date and secure.
.
If I use my card and get my pin number wrong three times the ATM shreds my card.
If my eyes are wrong will the ATM shred my eyes with a laser. What if some one steals my eyes in a "Demolition Man - Simon Phoenix" stylee and robs my bank account. That could make for a messy robbery.
I tired and talking crap...nuff said.
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What if I do a minority report style change my eyes?
How do you explain that one to the bank.
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"They make me sick"
And therefore you require a cure....can I offer you......
Like is MI:2 to sell a cure you need an illness.
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True. Educating the masses is something of an impossible task.
Every cleaning product tends to require the lable "Anti-Bacterial" now.
Don't give people the chemicals they don't understand the implications of using.