Re:Days of denial are over.
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With people like you to represent the Green left, who needs to make a counter argument? You can't even formulate a rebuttal without resorting to personal attacks.
The notion also, of Unstable, Stable, Testing versions of software seems pretty sensible
If there were liability based on it, everything would always be Beta. No one would ever say their software was "stable" in the open source world, even if it was.
Primary point of defition being 'did money exchange hands?" = Liability for some length of time.
So what about plaes like CheapBytes.... Would they be liable in bugs in Red Hat that they sold for $5?
What about if I modify the software, causing a bug? Does that relieve the author? This is too complex to be able to deal with in a simplistic way like you propose.
I think it should just boil down to normal contract law. If a company has marketing materials that say something stupid like "Unbreakable", then the customer should get that in writing. If the vendor refuses to sign, then get another vendor. It's really pretty simple.
The license to operate a car on public roads is a little different from the ham license.
Lets see, if they were similar, you would have three levels of drivers license, each one allowing you to drive on certain highways, the higher levels allowing you to drive on the uncrowded elite highways.
The higher licenses would require a demonstration of advanced driving skill, driving an obstacle course at high speeds, without hitting anything, (sort of like police traning).
Anyway, I'm probably going off on a tangent here, but a ham license really isn't like a driver's license, except superficially.
Re:Days of denial are over.
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I never said that global warming wasn't real. Apparently, there are well documented instances that the earth, on average, is getting hotter.
The question of why it is getting hotter is the one that is being debated.
Re:Cost of failure.
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The cost of global warming is conceivably a lot higher
The cost of taking measures to prevent global warming are pretty high in some cases.
I'm not against intelligent ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions when they don't cost too much, but that is the key. Creating huge economic inefficiencies for something that may or may not have an effect on something that may or may not be caused by the emissions in the first place is what is bad.
Higher cost of items in stores, possible inflation, reduced GDP, companies driven out of business... I'd say the cost is high.
Re:Days of denial are over.
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You can't deny that during the last century, both the production of various waste gases and global temperature have risen.
You can't deny that during the last century, both the number of ice cream cones sold in New York and the global temperature have risen. We must end ice cream sales in NY right now!
Re:Days of denial are over.
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Baked Alaska
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Is the earth getting warmer just because it is, or is it getting warmer because of something we're doing? Certainly, humanity is producing lots of CO2, but the amount isn't really that much compared the naturally occurring water vapor. Honestly I'm not sure if science really has the answer. But I do really think we need to be cautious about it. The effects of global warming could be pretty dire.
Lets rephrase: Is my eyesight getting worse because I masturbate? Certainly I don't masturbate that often, the amount really isn't much compared to the times I have actual sex. Honestly, I'm not sure if science really has the answer. I do think I should be really cautious about it, the effects could be pretty dire. --- The point is, there is no evidence linking human activity and global warming. There is a weak correlation between it and human emissions, but that is as strong an argument as the masturbation/eyesight link.
Just because a lot of people say something, doesn't make it worth paying attention to. As the AC said, no one has produced any evidence at all that we are having an effect. "No evidence" is a lot different from "wanting to be 100% sure".
I saw a documentary of a case study of this once. Apparently this kid lost his sight and hearing at a young age.
He later became pinball champion of the world, but upon regaining his sight and hearing, he led a cult until they revolted against him, and he lost everything.
I forget what the name of the documentary was.
Re:Problem not entirely RPM's fault
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Is RPM Doomed?
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Have you ever heard of POSIX?
Re:Source-based and minimalist distributions
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Is RPM Doomed?
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You mention major vendors. I have a story that makes anything RPM based look like cake.
We bought the MIPSPro compiler for our Origin 2000. It came on something like 6 or 7 CDs. No problem, it's got a nice package manager and all, right?
Heh. So we put the first CD in and told the package manager to install the compiler. It churned a while, then came up with a list of about 30 dependancies that were broken. It then instructed us to insert CD after CD, swapping back and forth between compiler, OS, and Library CDs for at least two hours, I'm talking hundreds of swaps.
We finally got it installed after flipping CDs for two hours, and then upon running it, it informed us that we only got the 2CPU version, when our computer had 4CPUs, so we were going to have to get a new license.
The new license was an extra $1000 or so (the 2 CPU version was already $600). We said screw it, send that piece of shit back to our vendor, and just left the unusable binaries laying around the hard disk, we had already wasted enough time installing the damn thing.
We installed gcc, and just used it instead. Took all of 10 minutes to set up.
SGI still tries to bill us for "support" on the compiler ($300 a year or so). We have to tell them to shit in their hat every year.
So 3D TV should be out right around the time HDTV is supposed to be "out" (as in widespread).
Somehow I don't think that we can pull off something that big in a few years, when adding a few extra lines of resolution is taking so long. What has it been, over 15 years now that HDTV is a couple years off?
If you are going to do all that, you can just do it with current technology and boot roms. I have several totally diskless stations that boot from PXELinux (from the syslinux people), and have NFS root volumes.
Note I said unlicensed. There have been many things that require special licenses and registrations, such as handling explosives. I'm talking about things that are unlicensed, and require no specific training.
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With people like you to represent the Green left, who needs to make a counter argument? You can't even formulate a rebuttal without resorting to personal attacks.
The notion also, of Unstable, Stable, Testing versions of software seems pretty sensible
If there were liability based on it, everything would always be Beta. No one would ever say their software was "stable" in the open source world, even if it was.
Primary point of defition being 'did money exchange hands?" = Liability for some length of time.
So what about plaes like CheapBytes.... Would they be liable in bugs in Red Hat that they sold for $5?
What about if I modify the software, causing a bug? Does that relieve the author? This is too complex to be able to deal with in a simplistic way like you propose.
I think it should just boil down to normal contract law. If a company has marketing materials that say something stupid like "Unbreakable", then the customer should get that in writing. If the vendor refuses to sign, then get another vendor. It's really pretty simple.
The license to operate a car on public roads is a little different from the ham license.
Lets see, if they were similar, you would have three levels of drivers license, each one allowing you to drive on certain highways, the higher levels allowing you to drive on the uncrowded elite highways.
The higher licenses would require a demonstration of advanced driving skill, driving an obstacle course at high speeds, without hitting anything, (sort of like police traning).
Anyway, I'm probably going off on a tangent here, but a ham license really isn't like a driver's license, except superficially.
I never said that global warming wasn't real. Apparently, there are well documented instances that the earth, on average, is getting hotter.
The question of why it is getting hotter is the one that is being debated.
The cost of global warming is conceivably a lot higher
The cost of taking measures to prevent global warming are pretty high in some cases.
I'm not against intelligent ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions when they don't cost too much, but that is the key. Creating huge economic inefficiencies for something that may or may not have an effect on something that may or may not be caused by the emissions in the first place is what is bad.
Higher cost of items in stores, possible inflation, reduced GDP, companies driven out of business... I'd say the cost is high.
You can't deny that during the last century, both the production of various waste gases and global temperature have risen.
You can't deny that during the last century, both the number of ice cream cones sold in New York and the global temperature have risen. We must end ice cream sales in NY right now!
Is the earth getting warmer just because it is, or is it getting warmer because of something we're doing? Certainly, humanity is producing lots of CO2, but the amount isn't really that much compared the naturally occurring water vapor. Honestly I'm not sure if science really has the answer. But I do really think we need to be cautious about it. The effects of global warming could be pretty dire.
Lets rephrase:
Is my eyesight getting worse because I masturbate? Certainly I don't masturbate that often, the amount really isn't much compared to the times I have actual sex. Honestly, I'm not sure if science really has the answer. I do think I should be really cautious about it, the effects could be pretty dire.
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The point is, there is no evidence linking human activity and global warming. There is a weak correlation between it and human emissions, but that is as strong an argument as the masturbation/eyesight link.
Just because a lot of people say something, doesn't make it worth paying attention to. As the AC said, no one has produced any evidence at all that we are having an effect. "No evidence" is a lot different from "wanting to be 100% sure".
I saw a documentary of a case study of this once. Apparently this kid lost his sight and hearing at a young age.
He later became pinball champion of the world, but upon regaining his sight and hearing, he led a cult until they revolted against him, and he lost everything.
I forget what the name of the documentary was.
Have you ever heard of POSIX?
You mention major vendors. I have a story that makes anything RPM based look like cake.
We bought the MIPSPro compiler for our Origin 2000. It came on something like 6 or 7 CDs. No problem, it's got a nice package manager and all, right?
Heh. So we put the first CD in and told the package manager to install the compiler. It churned a while, then came up with a list of about 30 dependancies that were broken. It then instructed us to insert CD after CD, swapping back and forth between compiler, OS, and Library CDs for at least two hours, I'm talking hundreds of swaps.
We finally got it installed after flipping CDs for two hours, and then upon running it, it informed us that we only got the 2CPU version, when our computer had 4CPUs, so we were going to have to get a new license.
The new license was an extra $1000 or so (the 2 CPU version was already $600). We said screw it, send that piece of shit back to our vendor, and just left the unusable binaries laying around the hard disk, we had already wasted enough time installing the damn thing.
We installed gcc, and just used it instead. Took all of 10 minutes to set up.
SGI still tries to bill us for "support" on the compiler ($300 a year or so). We have to tell them to shit in their hat every year.
Nice long reply, but what the fuck man.
What the hell does US law and US supreme court rulings have to do with an issue between Zimbabwe and the UK.
So 3D TV should be out right around the time HDTV is supposed to be "out" (as in widespread).
Somehow I don't think that we can pull off something that big in a few years, when adding a few extra lines of resolution is taking so long. What has it been, over 15 years now that HDTV is a couple years off?
You are correct it appears. That is the last time I trust a web site that "looks credible"
There have been many times where I've wished I could just plug in a new computer to cable or adsl, and just start a network install.
Look into PXE. You can do this today with any PXE boot rom capable network cards.
installed via a pair of floppies, and a net connect is a very handy feature.
You can do the same thing with Red Hat.
If you are going to do all that, you can just do it with current technology and boot roms. I have several totally diskless stations that boot from PXELinux (from the syslinux people), and have NFS root volumes.
Close, but totally wrong.
Microwave ovens use a frequency of 2.4 Ghz, which is no where near the Thz range.
This stuff could be called "super-infrared", it's more like optics than it is like radio.
Come on! This is old news. I'm looking at my monitor right now using "terahertz imaging". AKA, visible light!
540Thz is right in the middle of the visible spectrum.
Er... that's my point. Probably better to forget the whole thing, upon further reflection, my argument has more holes than swiss cheese.
Oh... Interesting... I see what you are saying now.
Since when is aluminum ferrous?
Well, without knowing the versions and what is going on, you are forced to blindly trust big brother to fix your computer, when something goes wrong.
:)
Yes, I know this debate is going nowhere fast.
Note I said unlicensed. There have been many things that require special licenses and registrations, such as handling explosives. I'm talking about things that are unlicensed, and require no specific training.
Yes, it's always good to have blind faith in a corporation that has acted criminally multiple times in the past, with regards to consumer issues.