You don't pay enough to suck down all your bandwidth 24/7. If you were led to believe that was your right when you bought your broadband, then I'm sorry you were misled, but the only people who are sold lines that they are allowed to max out 24/7 are the people that pay for real Internet access, i.e. a T1 from a first tier provider. Otherwise, you have to share.
Even though you might have been trying to be a little facetious, I think your point is very valid.
I can grab files, with no small amount of effort, from an online file sharing service, and maybe get 2 GB a day. If I network, in person, with people who share similar tastes in music, I can get a lot more bang for the buck. As soon as we see larger portable technologies (It's already happening), trading media will be just like trading games in user groups was back in the 80s and early 90s. We all just bring our 300GB portable disks to meetings, link them all up, and take them home to copy onto our TB home systems.
The only thing that would prevent this from happening is a very rapid growth of broadband, to something like reliable 10Mbit levels. I don't see that happening before hard disk space grows to the sizes I quoted above.
Yeah, and it's 137GB and the issue is really just changing to a 48 bit address space, Maxtor's marketing dept just called it BigDrive, ANSI ATA has already picked it up and put it in a standard (ATAPI-6), so it's likely that the larger Maxtor disks will be compatible down the road too.:) Man, the original poster was pretty far off base.
Original poster: http://www.maxtor.com/products/bigdrive/whitepaper.htm
I meant that as a joke only, biggest dicks. I know the supposed standard in the use of discs vs disks, even though people regularly use either to refer to both, even in major magazines and the like, so it's hard to say that it's a very strong standard.
My 5 year old plays Q3A and UT, and he sure as fuck knows the difference between a fucking game and reality. Is your 10 year old retarded or something?
Why can't you get satellite? The Starband footprint easily covers almost all the US.
Re:Why not make your monitor into a fish tank?
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I actually have a monitor shell in my basement right now that I plan to do that with. It should be pretty cool... I left the power button on the front so I can use it to control the fish tank lights.
Maxtor drives are always very quiet. They have an acoustic management utility you can use to either make them seek faster or be quieter. Even with fast seeks on, they are still very quiet. Maxtor is quickly becoming the best hard disk manufacturer. Their drives are also very reliable and they are the technology leader with the largest dis(c)ks.
On a similar note, I have an old 10Base-T hub, one of the old metal wall-mount kinds, and if you power it from a 9 volt power supply rather than a 7.5, it actually hisses! It doesn't overheat or anything, I can only think it must be an inductor or something that vibrates in a certain way to make the hissing noise.
We also had a cisco hub at work that does the same thing on it's rated voltage. That one also got really hot though.
BTW- Yes the slashdot search engine is a steaming pile of shit. They really should buy one of Google's fine products or something.
In the near term though, try site:slashdot.org in google, to narrow the search. You can also try the linux search on google, www.google.com/linux.
Re:dunno, most of my drives are pretty quiet
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There's a trade off there between seek time and noise. Maxtor acutally has acoustic management utilities where you can choose faster seeks or quieter operation.
Re:My 1541 drive was a speaker too!
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Yeah, they had thier own processor, but they were NOT fast at formatting a disk, it took about 80 seconds, then you had to flip the disk over and format the other side (if you were so inclined to use double sided disks).
Oh, and copying a disk was lots of fun, considering that the memory could only hold 64K chunks at a time, and the disk held about 180K per side, I think (it was measured in blocks rather than KB back then). You had to keep switching the disks back and forth to make a copy of a full disk.
Re:I use MOSIX, love it...
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MOSIX would change large parts of the kernel, it's not something as simple as just including a MOSIX module.
The 2.4.13 patch even must have an effect on some SCSI code, because I can't compile a certain module for SCSI after MOSIX patching (one I didn't need anyway).
I seriously doubt we will ever see MOSIX in the main kernel tree, sorry.
Re:This is great... I think
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Beowulf is a more general term. A MOSIX cluster can and does usually qualify as a beowulf cluster.
So feel free to imagine what you like.
Re:1.5.2 isn't latest MOSIX
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Woah.... then why does mosix.org claim that the one for 2.4.13 is the latest?
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I just finished implementing my 6 node MOSIX cluster, and I ran across several bugs, and I couldn't find any place to report them. The MOSIX development list is closed subscription, and apparently the good Professor ignores his email.
I'm not clear about some things though... How is MOSIX currently licensed? Why are they being so closed about development?
What gets written to your swap? Pages from your memory!
Pages get corrupt, swapped back in... instant swiss cheese computer.
I'd say it's a lot more safe to use one of these drives for unimportant storage, than something critical like swap. You are basically adding bad RAM to you system in essence.
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And once Linux is preemptible, we will have to fight with the same nonesense. :)
You don't pay enough to suck down all your bandwidth 24/7. If you were led to believe that was your right when you bought your broadband, then I'm sorry you were misled, but the only people who are sold lines that they are allowed to max out 24/7 are the people that pay for real Internet access, i.e. a T1 from a first tier provider. Otherwise, you have to share.
Even though you might have been trying to be a little facetious, I think your point is very valid.
I can grab files, with no small amount of effort, from an online file sharing service, and maybe get 2 GB a day. If I network, in person, with people who share similar tastes in music, I can get a lot more bang for the buck. As soon as we see larger portable technologies (It's already happening), trading media will be just like trading games in user groups was back in the 80s and early 90s. We all just bring our 300GB portable disks to meetings, link them all up, and take them home to copy onto our TB home systems.
The only thing that would prevent this from happening is a very rapid growth of broadband, to something like reliable 10Mbit levels. I don't see that happening before hard disk space grows to the sizes I quoted above.
Yeah, and it's 137GB and the issue is really just changing to a 48 bit address space, Maxtor's marketing dept just called it BigDrive, ANSI ATA has already picked it up and put it in a standard (ATAPI-6), so it's likely that the larger Maxtor disks will be compatible down the road too. :) Man, the original poster was pretty far off base.
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Original poster: http://www.maxtor.com/products/bigdrive/whitepape
Oh, it wasn't you personally, it's more just the repetitiveness of it all. :)
Why is it that every time there is a release announcement, this same lame joke gets modded up?
Blah...
I don't think these things had a switch mode power supply, they are fed with wall warts, probably just a regulator inside.
Where do I sign up?! Rubbing hands together
My evil minions spread through space, muhahahaha.
I meant that as a joke only, biggest dicks. I know the supposed standard in the use of discs vs disks, even though people regularly use either to refer to both, even in major magazines and the like, so it's hard to say that it's a very strong standard.
My 5 year old plays Q3A and UT, and he sure as fuck knows the difference between a fucking game and reality. Is your 10 year old retarded or something?
Why can't you get satellite? The Starband footprint easily covers almost all the US.
I actually have a monitor shell in my basement right now that I plan to do that with. It should be pretty cool... I left the power button on the front so I can use it to control the fish tank lights.
Maxtor drives are always very quiet. They have an acoustic management utility you can use to either make them seek faster or be quieter. Even with fast seeks on, they are still very quiet. Maxtor is quickly becoming the best hard disk manufacturer. Their drives are also very reliable and they are the technology leader with the largest dis(c)ks.
On a similar note, I have an old 10Base-T hub, one of the old metal wall-mount kinds, and if you power it from a 9 volt power supply rather than a 7.5, it actually hisses! It doesn't overheat or anything, I can only think it must be an inductor or something that vibrates in a certain way to make the hissing noise.
We also had a cisco hub at work that does the same thing on it's rated voltage. That one also got really hot though.
BTW- Yes the slashdot search engine is a steaming pile of shit. They really should buy one of Google's fine products or something.
In the near term though, try site:slashdot.org in google, to narrow the search. You can also try the linux search on google, www.google.com/linux.
There's a trade off there between seek time and noise. Maxtor acutally has acoustic management utilities where you can choose faster seeks or quieter operation.
Yeah, they had thier own processor, but they were NOT fast at formatting a disk, it took about 80 seconds, then you had to flip the disk over and format the other side (if you were so inclined to use double sided disks).
Oh, and copying a disk was lots of fun, considering that the memory could only hold 64K chunks at a time, and the disk held about 180K per side, I think (it was measured in blocks rather than KB back then). You had to keep switching the disks back and forth to make a copy of a full disk.
MOSIX would change large parts of the kernel, it's not something as simple as just including a MOSIX module.
The 2.4.13 patch even must have an effect on some SCSI code, because I can't compile a certain module for SCSI after MOSIX patching (one I didn't need anyway).
I seriously doubt we will ever see MOSIX in the main kernel tree, sorry.
Yes, but what is it GOING to be?
Beowulf is a more general term. A MOSIX cluster can and does usually qualify as a beowulf cluster.
So feel free to imagine what you like.
Woah.... then why does mosix.org claim that the one for 2.4.13 is the latest?
I just finished implementing my 6 node MOSIX cluster, and I ran across several bugs, and I couldn't find any place to report them. The MOSIX development list is closed subscription, and apparently the good Professor ignores his email.
I'm not clear about some things though... How is MOSIX currently licensed? Why are they being so closed about development?
You are correct, but I think he said that so people wouldn't try it with rubbing alcohol, which normally is 30% water.
I'm afraid you have just violoated my patent, #234562234, Transmission of a patent violation notice via a public messaging system.
My lawyers will be in touch with you shortly.
OK, quick quiz.
What gets written to your swap? Pages from your memory!
Pages get corrupt, swapped back in... instant swiss cheese computer.
I'd say it's a lot more safe to use one of these drives for unimportant storage, than something critical like swap. You are basically adding bad RAM to you system in essence.