"If you are using an Macintosh e-mail program that is not from Microsoft, we recommend checking with that particular company. But most likely other e-mail programs like Eudora are not designed to enable virus replication."
I'm not saying a single kernel, Linux isn't anywhere near handling that, above 8 way and it pretty much chokes, same with RAM, it really can't handle more than 8GB very well.
I'm not saying necessarily a pure single image like that, but more like MOSIX with extremely low latency and high speed interconnects, rather than ethernet and TCP/IP. MOSIX requires no special attention to coding the programs to run on it, they just need to multithread/process.
I agree with you fully (rare for me with people I normally meet on slashdot), but don't you think that maybe when one of the new I/O busses comes out, and catches on, whenever that may be, it may be possible to develop a hack that would allow for something that resembled NUMA?
Note the implied emphasis on the word "hack". x86 isn't designed to do this in general, but don't you think given enough fast I/O it could approach the level of a single system image cluster that SGI is providing now?
It doesn't ever have to be quite as good, just cheap and good enough. That's the story of everything x86, cheap and good enough, and a hack on top of a hack.
Back in the 80s a lot of people would laugh at the idea of a lot of the kludgy things we had, going as fast as they do today... IDE is a good example, same with a lot of x86 things. Just some food for thought.
That's fine and dandy, but their graphics business isn't as much money to them as their huge compute cluster business. They could make tons of money designing Linux based compute cluster solutions on commodity hardware. Think NUMAFlex cards for x86 hardware (oversimplifying probably, but you get the idea).
SGI basically sells support already, our Origin 2000 cost about $100,000, and we pay $9000 a year in support. I bet they are making most of their money on the support side. Too busy to dig up financial from edgar, but I think SGI can play the consulting game pretty well.
I don't know about these workstations, but the real scalability from SGI is in the Origin line. They can be clustered in groups up to 256 (I think) "nodes" over a high speed interconnect to form a single system image. Each origin node holds several processors too (up to 8 or 16, I don't recall)
There isn't really an SGI vs. Linux, SGI is working with Linux all they can. They have given us XFS, and much excellent info for integrating Linux with SGI. Heck, when I called SGI support a couple weeks ago re: issues with IRIX connecting to Linux NFS servers, he kept helping me even after we determined the problem was mostly on the Linux side.
SGI is very plugged in when it comes to open source and Linux. I wouldn't be totally surprised to see SGI try a last ditch effort as a Linux vendor after selling off hardware divisions, if they can afford to do that.
I guess you'd like to think that, and it sounds good and fits into you message well, but Linus has repeatedly said he doesn't care one bit what Redmond is doing, and isn't even familiar with a lot of the newer features in their OS. His singular goal is to make Linux better than Linux, not better than anything MS makes.
The arrogant, customer-abusive tech world could learn a lot from these people, who offer steep discounts, stand behind their products, and actually offer real and free customer support.
I usually read Slashdot stories without regard to reading the author first. I thought this was going to actually be an interesting story... up until I read that line.
I'm not seeing that yet. Linux and Rik regularly get into some pretty heavy spats, but in the end, they seem to be able to still work together, as well as can be expected.
I'm just not seeing the sort of personal attacks that really mark a degrading work relationship. I see people who are often critical, and sometimes rightly so, and several extremely intelligent people, who seem to generally be able to work with each other, (though lacking in some basic social skills when dealing with people they view as "lesser").
All in all, I'm not seeing that "beginning of the end" syndrome. I'm seeing a rejection of dogma, and real honest evaluations of the situation. Some people disagree and say the opposite is true. Read the mailing list, the whole thing sometime. kt.zork.net is great and all, but it leaves out certain subtelties.
IRC channels regularly kick users that have proven themselves to be inept.
Bots are usually set up to kick users that log on IRC as root.
How is kicking Windows users any different?
IRC channels are privately controlled, and if they don't like you for whatever reason, it's fair game, they don't have to "be fair" or "play nice", if they don't want to.
Oh, we duplicated it plenty here today, we got a wave of the latest Outlook virus in, it's called MyParty, and it exploits the Begin bug to create an attachment that isn't really an attachment.
Basically it has a message, then
Begin 666 www.myparty.yahoo.com
then encoded data.
.com is executable in Windows, so it happily decodes the "attachment" and makes it runnable.
It can bypass some mail gateway scanners, because it isn't a valid attachment, only to Outlook.
With the loop-aes kernel version-independant module, it's not hard to add encrypted loopback to any Linux.
The only PITA is that you have to compile a kernel without loopback built in the kernel or compiled as a module, but you don't have to patch the kernel or anything.
Well, you could argue that they "paid" by potentially fucking up the whole timeline by interfering with the past like that. Of course, with all the other stuff they did, it would have fucked it up a whole lot of other ways too.
I never did like that one very much. Sci-Fi time travel into the "present" just seems to me to be a cop out to save money building futuristic sets.
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I read your link, but I don't understand how another star could orbit our sun and us not notice it. The article mentions nothing of this proposed "microstar" either.
It's an interesting project man, but with closed source, it's hard to trust something we know to be trapping our keystrokes, no matter how much you claim it doesn't record which keys.
So why not open source it? Are you going to sell this commercially or something?
BTW- make sure you digitally sign all downloads to be safe. The potential for your reputation to be ruined by a trojan that claims to be your program is high.
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The judge had the right to keep the proceedings open, and like others, I don't think there was a compelling need to have them closed.
Hey, dude, check this out..
0 1/ virus_alert.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/office/20
Look at the bottom of the page:
"If you are using an Macintosh e-mail program that is not from Microsoft, we recommend checking with that particular company. But most likely other e-mail programs like Eudora are not designed to enable virus replication."
Outlook enables viruses BY DESIGN!
Everytime a bell rings, an angel gets it's wings?
I wonder if there is a connection?
IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
That's no big deal man, this message is coming to you from my house, up 60,000 miles into space, then 60,000 miles back down, and 1000 odd land miles.
:)
My pings are never less than 650ms.
But I sure can download things real fast once they get rolling.
The joys of satellite internet. Ping already let me calculate the speed of light, easily, without stociastimachwastic anything.
I will also reply to myself. :)
I'm not saying a single kernel, Linux isn't anywhere near handling that, above 8 way and it pretty much chokes, same with RAM, it really can't handle more than 8GB very well.
I'm not saying necessarily a pure single image like that, but more like MOSIX with extremely low latency and high speed interconnects, rather than ethernet and TCP/IP. MOSIX requires no special attention to coding the programs to run on it, they just need to multithread/process.
I agree with you fully (rare for me with people I normally meet on slashdot), but don't you think that maybe when one of the new I/O busses comes out, and catches on, whenever that may be, it may be possible to develop a hack that would allow for something that resembled NUMA?
Note the implied emphasis on the word "hack". x86 isn't designed to do this in general, but don't you think given enough fast I/O it could approach the level of a single system image cluster that SGI is providing now?
It doesn't ever have to be quite as good, just cheap and good enough. That's the story of everything x86, cheap and good enough, and a hack on top of a hack.
Back in the 80s a lot of people would laugh at the idea of a lot of the kludgy things we had, going as fast as they do today... IDE is a good example, same with a lot of x86 things. Just some food for thought.
That's fine and dandy, but their graphics business isn't as much money to them as their huge compute cluster business. They could make tons of money designing Linux based compute cluster solutions on commodity hardware. Think NUMAFlex cards for x86 hardware (oversimplifying probably, but you get the idea).
SGI basically sells support already, our Origin 2000 cost about $100,000, and we pay $9000 a year in support. I bet they are making most of their money on the support side. Too busy to dig up financial from edgar, but I think SGI can play the consulting game pretty well.
I don't know about these workstations, but the real scalability from SGI is in the Origin line. They can be clustered in groups up to 256 (I think) "nodes" over a high speed interconnect to form a single system image. Each origin node holds several processors too (up to 8 or 16, I don't recall)
There isn't really an SGI vs. Linux, SGI is working with Linux all they can. They have given us XFS, and much excellent info for integrating Linux with SGI. Heck, when I called SGI support a couple weeks ago re: issues with IRIX connecting to Linux NFS servers, he kept helping me even after we determined the problem was mostly on the Linux side.
SGI is very plugged in when it comes to open source and Linux. I wouldn't be totally surprised to see SGI try a last ditch effort as a Linux vendor after selling off hardware divisions, if they can afford to do that.
Linus sees it as a competitor, respects them,
I guess you'd like to think that, and it sounds good and fits into you message well, but Linus has repeatedly said he doesn't care one bit what Redmond is doing, and isn't even familiar with a lot of the newer features in their OS. His singular goal is to make Linux better than Linux, not better than anything MS makes.
Make sure to post your experience on resellerratings.com
Also check out your seller on there first too. It's sort of like the feedback system for pricewatch.
The arrogant, customer-abusive tech world could learn a lot from these people, who offer steep discounts, stand behind their products, and actually offer real and free customer support.
I usually read Slashdot stories without regard to reading the author first. I thought this was going to actually be an interesting story... up until I read that line.
I'm not seeing that yet. Linux and Rik regularly get into some pretty heavy spats, but in the end, they seem to be able to still work together, as well as can be expected.
I'm just not seeing the sort of personal attacks that really mark a degrading work relationship. I see people who are often critical, and sometimes rightly so, and several extremely intelligent people, who seem to generally be able to work with each other, (though lacking in some basic social skills when dealing with people they view as "lesser").
All in all, I'm not seeing that "beginning of the end" syndrome. I'm seeing a rejection of dogma, and real honest evaluations of the situation. Some people disagree and say the opposite is true. Read the mailing list, the whole thing sometime. kt.zork.net is great and all, but it leaves out certain subtelties.
You realize the error in your assumption, right?
I don't see what the big deal is.
IRC channels regularly kick users that have proven themselves to be inept.
Bots are usually set up to kick users that log on IRC as root.
How is kicking Windows users any different?
IRC channels are privately controlled, and if they don't like you for whatever reason, it's fair game, they don't have to "be fair" or "play nice", if they don't want to.
Oh, we duplicated it plenty here today, we got a wave of the latest Outlook virus in, it's called MyParty, and it exploits the Begin bug to create an attachment that isn't really an attachment.
Basically it has a message, then
Begin 666 www.myparty.yahoo.com
then encoded data.
.com is executable in Windows, so it happily decodes the "attachment" and makes it runnable.
It can bypass some mail gateway scanners, because it isn't a valid attachment, only to Outlook.
Once you figure in how much thinner it could be, I'd say probably not.
XFS? Are you sure? XFS requires a pretty drastic kernel patch last I checked.
You would probably get better sneakernet bandwidth than anything else in that case!
With the loop-aes kernel version-independant module, it's not hard to add encrypted loopback to any Linux.
The only PITA is that you have to compile a kernel without loopback built in the kernel or compiled as a module, but you don't have to patch the kernel or anything.
Well, you could argue that they "paid" by potentially fucking up the whole timeline by interfering with the past like that. Of course, with all the other stuff they did, it would have fucked it up a whole lot of other ways too.
I never did like that one very much. Sci-Fi time travel into the "present" just seems to me to be a cop out to save money building futuristic sets.
Cool.
That's OK, Linux has Hot Swap CPU support.
:)
I read your link, but I don't understand how another star could orbit our sun and us not notice it. The article mentions nothing of this proposed "microstar" either.
Did you just make that up or what?
It's an interesting project man, but with closed source, it's hard to trust something we know to be trapping our keystrokes, no matter how much you claim it doesn't record which keys.
So why not open source it? Are you going to sell this commercially or something?
BTW- make sure you digitally sign all downloads to be safe. The potential for your reputation to be ruined by a trojan that claims to be your program is high.