Oh, the horror of it all...twice in one week, even!!
Surely written by those that consistently claim they can do better than that northwestern company. How will you live down the shame?
P.S. Screw karma. You know damn full well as I do that ALL software has bugs. Welcome to the club,/.'ers.
"True, but I remember I read in some physics book that the very laws of physics made it impossible for a planet to have a stable orbit around 2 suns (it was actually commenting on "is Tattoine real?"). So if we suppose that the Universe obeys the laws of physics, then there won't be any 2-suns-planets out there."
And the helicopter isn't supposed to fly, but it does...do you believe Everything you read?
Block 25, 587, 26, whatever....it will fail and does exactly the opposite of its intention letting the spammers. Paying users (and yes, even the geeks are paying users...the Internet is over 65,000 ports, not 1 or those defined by a mere provider of that medium that connects to it) then become unable to use a normal standard as defined by the RFC's, not the FTC or any other form of government body.
Changing it to 587 won't work or even using 26 that uses a second server for outgoing 25. MTA's or any other service will forward what has been authorized. Because of obvious infection, authorized users are spamming without knowledge, through one port or another and only education will fix the infection.
Blacklists other than ORBS (which do educate email admins at least) do the very same thing and have created what they don't want to happen...making email useless. One is unable to get off these lists because "they don't own it". That's like saying you got a ticket for a cracked windshield on your car and you still can't drive the car because the manufacturer hasn't had all windshields...never mind that you already fixed the windshield or fixed the spamming. Now before one of you dumbasses replies with "but there's not a problem with broken windshields all over the place", well, duh-h-h. That's because the user of the car fixex the problem and they get to drive the car. A user of an IP address blacklisted should fix the spamming problem and get themselves off the list, not the "manufacturer" up three tiers of bureacratic red tape that makes it impossible.
Dialup dynamic IP's ok, sure. You can't effectively operate an email server on dialup anyway. Before, dialup was used legitimately as backup redundancy; now there are now other redundancy options and even higher need for redundant broadband rather than just a connection to the Net. Those with the desire to educate themselves and monitor their ip for spamming (DHCP for broadband is longer lasting than DHCP for dialup) should be rewarded for their diligence rather than telling them to piss off because they're "not the owner"./Flame ON But,,,we all know spammers lie, right? You know, it sure as hell doesn't take much to get on these damm lists, but trying to get the owners of these lists (some last updated in 2001, I shit you not) that are just big mouth dumbfucks without the balls to give accurate domain registration information, hiding behind newsgroups, and repeating "you just don't know" ---BULL FUCKING SHIT---we do fucking know, you just aren't fucking listening. Get your head out of your ass and breathe before you suffocate because you're too lazy to update your shit and think it doesn't stink. All your doing with the current status quo is letting the spammers fucking win. You act like spoofed IP addresses don't exist. Then there's the pompous attitude that seems to seep out saying "if you send mail and don't know how an email server works, you're an idiot" -- of course, this doesn't apply to me or has benn relayed to me personally, but I've seen the threads. Your fucking manners suck the same ass your head is in.
This narrow minded view with blinders on that "all spammer lie, so we won't take you off" is like watching a Daffy Duck/Bugs Bunny cartoon:
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie!
User of IP address: But I'm not a spammer.
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie! Yes you are.
User of IP address: But I fixed it.
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie! You couldn't
Spammer: I'm a spammer
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie! No you're not.
Result: Spammers get off the list and users don't/Flame OFF
Alas, even "detecting" infected spammers/users may not be enough as it becomes more difficult. The real spammers have already begun to learn to dole the evil messages out in a metered fashion, sending them out only when the user does to make it look like normal traffic. I recall a recent experience where one of my users was the
Comcast members (or anyone else for that matter) don't switch their ISP's because they can't send email from their comcast email. Why would they switch? The users of Comcast, Verizon, or any ISP get service for "internet access". The email account is only included as a perk. If the users of Comcast and others get their email account from somewhere else, Comcast wouldn't or shouldn't care. TOS everywhere only promise constant connection to the Internet for access, not infallible email service.
As for the ISP's point of view -- the customers pay for their bandwidth...the payer can send as much spam, legitimate email, virus infected, whatever thru their small pipe as much as they want. The ISP might limit and throttle according to their payment for bandwidth (capping up/down speeds on cable modems for example), but posts that state "spammers are stealing bandwidth" are full of sh1t.
Contrary to some people's belief, spammers are NOT an ISP concern. The customers (spammers, the infected, the morons that send daily jokes, even servers) have rightfully paid for their amount of bandwidth. If you don't want the email sent on port 25, change your server to accept on only port 26.
Try my tactic with users like this. I always start most explanations with "the spammers try new tactics every day and in this case the tactic is..." -- not sure if this will help her comprehend BCC, but at least it might give her renewed focus on who she should really blame.
Fake SSN's -- so what? I've paid into the system for the past 25+ years and don't expect a return either. Why should illegals expect anything?
$10/$7/$3 -- you don't get a return because these wage levels don't pay into the system. Most of these wages don't even have federal or state taxes withheld because of income level and/or filling out a 9 or 10 on the W-4 form (btw, single people can do this legally already).
Working "il"legally and expecting sponsorship...fukin wow. Yeah, I think the policy seriously needs to be looked into, also...I think we should tax all immigrants MORE.
"The changes mostly include bugfixes with Stickies, Safari, and the Finder." The Server update also addresses issues with Open Directory, cyrus, AFP, and SMB, among others. Apple also updated iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, and iSight this week."
Gee, where are the flames about "having to update all the time because of bugs"? (and quite a few are security related, hah-ha-a) It obviously happens often enough to put a "Software Updates" link somewhere in the OS.
"Americans (not all, probably not even most of the ones on slashdot, but such a large number that it is a real problem) have a myopic fanaticism about cutting their taxes (to the point where their government can no longer provide even basic services) "
No, it's because the "reps" keep spending on other crap (and it's always hidden behind some title of a bill). If we're not going to have a gov't anyway, why pay them?
1) It's a reference to Gore's mis-speak about how he encourages its release instead stating "after i invented the internet"
2) Sorry folks, still one Internet...perhaps you're referring to Intr<b>a</b>nets? AFAI ever heard, the Internet is comprised of several separate intranets.
3) Internet2 is already obsolete, Internet3 has been out for a couple months now. I think the Russian haxors came out with the new one. =P
Did it occur to you that since "you" don't have moral values, that might be why your guy lost? Seems your party is the most hateful around...it truly shows.
In other words, she doesn't trust your knowledge, workmanship, or even the science behind that knowledge and workmanship (makes one wonder why she hired you...anybody can talk to support personnel).
I had a employer like this back in '98. A machine was recently upgraded to W98 from W95, but one was unable to get above 256 color or even 640x480. As the official support guy, an inspiration hit me that I should visit the manufacturer's website...lo and behold, there was a BIOS update for the specific video in question. I downloaded it, installed it, and it worked (of course). The boss saw that it now worked, asked what I did, told him and he went on a rant about "we don't use third-party" and that I should have used the 800-buysupport line (no, we didn't have a maintenance contract) for them to "tell" me I can go to their website and download/install the update. It got so intense, I simply stated I was trying to "do what I was hired for" and got "your job is to do whatever the hell i tell you!" -- i quit the next day. I had to...that company was still running their shitty accounting application on COBOL in 1999 with no upgrade in sight!!! I knew if I stayed and followed this guy's way, I'd still be supporting WYSE terminals.
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Oh, the horror of it all...twice in one week, even!! Surely written by those that consistently claim they can do better than that northwestern company. How will you live down the shame? P.S. Screw karma. You know damn full well as I do that ALL software has bugs. Welcome to the club, /.'ers.
"True, but I remember I read in some physics book that the very laws of physics made it impossible for a planet to have a stable orbit around 2 suns (it was actually commenting on "is Tattoine real?"). So if we suppose that the Universe obeys the laws of physics, then there won't be any 2-suns-planets out there." And the helicopter isn't supposed to fly, but it does...do you believe Everything you read?
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Let's just agree he should have said "releasing" instead of "creating".
WORD.
...and the slippery slope continues...arrest the parent for "child neglect" because they allow the 9-yr old to play 18+ games defined by "such laws".
Block 25, 587, 26, whatever....it will fail and does exactly the opposite of its intention letting the spammers. Paying users (and yes, even the geeks are paying users...the Internet is over 65,000 ports, not 1 or those defined by a mere provider of that medium that connects to it) then become unable to use a normal standard as defined by the RFC's, not the FTC or any other form of government body.
/Flame ON
/Flame OFF
Changing it to 587 won't work or even using 26 that uses a second server for outgoing 25. MTA's or any other service will forward what has been authorized. Because of obvious infection, authorized users are spamming without knowledge, through one port or another and only education will fix the infection.
Blacklists other than ORBS (which do educate email admins at least) do the very same thing and have created what they don't want to happen...making email useless. One is unable to get off these lists because "they don't own it". That's like saying you got a ticket for a cracked windshield on your car and you still can't drive the car because the manufacturer hasn't had all windshields...never mind that you already fixed the windshield or fixed the spamming. Now before one of you dumbasses replies with "but there's not a problem with broken windshields all over the place", well, duh-h-h. That's because the user of the car fixex the problem and they get to drive the car. A user of an IP address blacklisted should fix the spamming problem and get themselves off the list, not the "manufacturer" up three tiers of bureacratic red tape that makes it impossible.
Dialup dynamic IP's ok, sure. You can't effectively operate an email server on dialup anyway. Before, dialup was used legitimately as backup redundancy; now there are now other redundancy options and even higher need for redundant broadband rather than just a connection to the Net. Those with the desire to educate themselves and monitor their ip for spamming (DHCP for broadband is longer lasting than DHCP for dialup) should be rewarded for their diligence rather than telling them to piss off because they're "not the owner".
But,,,we all know spammers lie, right? You know, it sure as hell doesn't take much to get on these damm lists, but trying to get the owners of these lists (some last updated in 2001, I shit you not) that are just big mouth dumbfucks without the balls to give accurate domain registration information, hiding behind newsgroups, and repeating "you just don't know" ---BULL FUCKING SHIT---we do fucking know, you just aren't fucking listening. Get your head out of your ass and breathe before you suffocate because you're too lazy to update your shit and think it doesn't stink. All your doing with the current status quo is letting the spammers fucking win. You act like spoofed IP addresses don't exist. Then there's the pompous attitude that seems to seep out saying "if you send mail and don't know how an email server works, you're an idiot" -- of course, this doesn't apply to me or has benn relayed to me personally, but I've seen the threads. Your fucking manners suck the same ass your head is in.
This narrow minded view with blinders on that "all spammer lie, so we won't take you off" is like watching a Daffy Duck/Bugs Bunny cartoon:
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie!
User of IP address: But I'm not a spammer.
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie! Yes you are.
User of IP address: But I fixed it.
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie! You couldn't
Spammer: I'm a spammer
SPAMHAUS and similar: Spammers lie! No you're not.
Result: Spammers get off the list and users don't
Alas, even "detecting" infected spammers/users may not be enough as it becomes more difficult. The real spammers have already begun to learn to dole the evil messages out in a metered fashion, sending them out only when the user does to make it look like normal traffic. I recall a recent experience where one of my users was the
And it's the wrong reason. Here is why.
Comcast members (or anyone else for that matter) don't switch their ISP's because they can't send email from their comcast email. Why would they switch? The users of Comcast, Verizon, or any ISP get service for "internet access". The email account is only included as a perk. If the users of Comcast and others get their email account from somewhere else, Comcast wouldn't or shouldn't care. TOS everywhere only promise constant connection to the Internet for access, not infallible email service.
As for the ISP's point of view -- the customers pay for their bandwidth...the payer can send as much spam, legitimate email, virus infected, whatever thru their small pipe as much as they want. The ISP might limit and throttle according to their payment for bandwidth (capping up/down speeds on cable modems for example), but posts that state "spammers are stealing bandwidth" are full of sh1t.
Contrary to some people's belief, spammers are NOT an ISP concern. The customers (spammers, the infected, the morons that send daily jokes, even servers) have rightfully paid for their amount of bandwidth. If you don't want the email sent on port 25, change your server to accept on only port 26.
Try my tactic with users like this. I always start most explanations with "the spammers try new tactics every day and in this case the tactic is..." -- not sure if this will help her comprehend BCC, but at least it might give her renewed focus on who she should really blame.
Fake SSN's -- so what? I've paid into the system for the past 25+ years and don't expect a return either. Why should illegals expect anything?
$10/$7/$3 -- you don't get a return because these wage levels don't pay into the system. Most of these wages don't even have federal or state taxes withheld because of income level and/or filling out a 9 or 10 on the W-4 form (btw, single people can do this legally already).
Working "il"legally and expecting sponsorship...fukin wow. Yeah, I think the policy seriously needs to be looked into, also...I think we should tax all immigrants MORE.
Any links for reference?
"The changes mostly include bugfixes with Stickies, Safari, and the Finder." The Server update also addresses issues with Open Directory, cyrus, AFP, and SMB, among others. Apple also updated iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, and iSight this week."
Gee, where are the flames about "having to update all the time because of bugs"? (and quite a few are security related, hah-ha-a) It obviously happens often enough to put a "Software Updates" link somewhere in the OS.
"Americans (not all, probably not even most of the ones on slashdot, but such a large number that it is a real problem) have a myopic fanaticism about cutting their taxes (to the point where their government can no longer provide even
basic services) "
No, it's because the "reps" keep spending on other crap (and it's always hidden behind some title of a bill). If we're not going to have a gov't anyway, why pay them?
...why the pompous attitude of recent visitors to the Internet.
Yeah, and we all know what happens to IBM software. Don't jinx it now.
"IBM is still out-earning Microsoft, but they're getting further away from hardware and are competing with the monopolist in some market segments."
True irony as IBM was the monopoly that had to share and put Microsoft into business. Perhaps Karma will prevail after all.
1) It's a reference to Gore's mis-speak about how he encourages its release instead stating "after i invented the internet"
2) Sorry folks, still one Internet...perhaps you're referring to Intr<b>a</b>nets? AFAI ever heard, the Internet is comprised of several separate intranets.
3) Internet2 is already obsolete, Internet3 has been out for a couple months now. I think the Russian haxors came out with the new one. =P
Did it occur to you that since "you" don't have moral values, that might be why your guy lost? Seems your party is the most hateful around...it truly shows.
You didn't spell woohoo, right either. FCC
Ha-ha-a!
Is it because with Windows you have to run out and buy upgrades for all of your software every time you update the OS?
Bzzz. Wrong answer. Obviously, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground and it shows profusedly.
In other words, she doesn't trust your knowledge, workmanship, or even the science behind that knowledge and workmanship (makes one wonder why she hired you...anybody can talk to support personnel).
I had a employer like this back in '98. A machine was recently upgraded to W98 from W95, but one was unable to get above 256 color or even 640x480. As the official support guy, an inspiration hit me that I should visit the manufacturer's website...lo and behold, there was a BIOS update for the specific video in question. I downloaded it, installed it, and it worked (of course). The boss saw that it now worked, asked what I did, told him and he went on a rant about "we don't use third-party" and that I should have used the 800-buysupport line (no, we didn't have a maintenance contract) for them to "tell" me I can go to their website and download/install the update. It got so intense, I simply stated I was trying to "do what I was hired for" and got "your job is to do whatever the hell i tell you!" -- i quit the next day. I had to...that company was still running their shitty accounting application on COBOL in 1999 with no upgrade in sight!!! I knew if I stayed and followed this guy's way, I'd still be supporting WYSE terminals.
Most people have no clue how to use windows.
/.ers, imho.
That would include
yeah, with that Linspire crap.
"Windows was never an OS."
Methinks you're jealous because you couldn't figure out the command line syntax.
And I'm sure you got it work then, right? (not)