You fail to realize that blocking legitimate email is COUNTER-productive.
Yes, at one time the lists were good. It was the entire netblock with 'collateral' damage. The bombs are getting too big now.
When legitimate email is blocked, there's no point in getting another ISP, the revenue isn't there to cover it.
My ISP is Integra and they are unable to do anything because the blacklists contain not just whole ISP's, but MULTIPLE ISP's in one subnet! This assinine idea of "move" doesn't work, because these subnets can include entire geographical areas.
This isn't whining...I'M FUKKIN PISSED OFF. There must be a process for the innocent and it's not collateral damage anymore.
"users" - under the control of the admin. By proxy, yes they do. "They do that so the legitimate customers will call their ISP and demand they stop the adjacent spammers."
Gee, they can't write a script to include only the offenders? I thought they were 'uber'?
"FWIW that is how the spews.org blacklist works."
That's just it...it does NOT work either. All these groups attitudes have done is move the battle in that they're the bad guy now. People would rather get and filter the span than miss out on a legitimate email that contains important information.
Not all areas are the same. Sometimes, and often, DSL "is" the only option. Or the monopoly of the cable because an ILEC is in the area and you're forced to "bundle" as well.
Why should the residents move? and I'm still tired of paying for that war that's now on my cable bill on top of it.
Methinks the FCC looked at the potential loss of income that coincides with those "bundedled" packages. I complain every time I see these "service taxes" and other surcharges. 911, yes, but two charges from the feds, one from the state, another for the city, and one more unknown adds up after awhile.
Would you believe it, I only mention my professional price, but that I give discounts to friends and family and that alone keeps them off. I get a call about once a year now.:)
FWIW, I was reminded very pointedly about the hazards of Beta software. I installed this on my own workstation at work as a tester and within a day the network became saturated with unknown traffic. Uninstalling it was the quick solution.
Because it's a misleading statement and many are tired of hearing how "insecure" a system is based on the number of exploits that are implemented by narrow-minded individuals out to "get the man".
Last I looked, it's called restitution and lawyers representing both sides come to a common agreement. The alternative was the kid declares a Chapter 13 Bankruptcy (pay agreement up to 5 years) and MS gets alot less.
Even the FBI has invoked this concept. A semi-recent movie, "Catch Me If You Can" depicts the story of a fake-check writer now working for them and responsible for most of the security procedures in place today with banks.
"Try this: leave the keys in your car parked during the night in a downtown street. Tell it to your insurance company and try to make them pay you."
I don't leave my keys in my car, I use authentication to access it. It is circumventing that authentication (car-jacking vs trojans) that we're placing the wrong blame here.
"... or someone used a blow torch. If someon wanted in that bad..."
That's just it, you have a lock on your door (authentication), but somebody broke a window or used a blow torch (brute force). You blame the lock manufacturer? What a waste of police time to go after your locksmith instead of the real perpetrator (the writer of the virus/worm/trojan/whatever).
And let's suppose a burgular went under the house and up through the floor, perhaps through the stink pipe and up through your toilet, perhaps when coming thru the floor they were able to use a crowbar and hammer yet bypasses the security alarm on the DoorXP (btw, this tactic works on DoorLinux, too). Should you still responsible for selling them the product "that doesn't work" because they didn't anticipate the creativity of the criminal?
Beacause the pattern of 0's and 1's are probing (peeping into windows) and designed to unlawfually gain information such as credit card information (burgularly) or destroy the system (arson).
Even if I do leave my door unlocked and my windows don't have doors, you don't have the right to come in and take anything you want. You or viruses have no more right to my box.
You realize this makes your grammar at my 5 year old's level?
"6. Get everyone..." "8. Force everyone... "
Tell your CEO/President this and see how long you're employed as they see you as the expert and expect you to be competent enough to handle the job. Obviously, you are not.
As for the fine...it is meaningless unless you actually can pay it off. Currently, 500,000 is not workable, 50,000 is. MS obviously thinks this guy will get one after he pays debt to society (prison, remember?) and either is thinking "let's put it at a level he actually can pay off" or "let's be sensible for now and maybe he'll come work for us"
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"Understand this: NO ISP gets blocks listed in MAPS or anywhere else without ignoring complaints about spam. "
BULLSHIT
You fail to realize that blocking legitimate email is COUNTER-productive.
Yes, at one time the lists were good. It was the entire netblock with 'collateral' damage. The bombs are getting too big now.
When legitimate email is blocked, there's no point in getting another ISP, the revenue isn't there to cover it.
My ISP is Integra and they are unable to do anything because the blacklists contain not just whole ISP's, but MULTIPLE ISP's in one subnet! This assinine idea of "move" doesn't work, because these subnets can include entire geographical areas.
This isn't whining...I'M FUKKIN PISSED OFF. There must be a process for the innocent and it's not collateral damage anymore.
Then there's no question. You have to verify yourself to send mail period.
It's not the actual blocking that the legal action would be necessary for. It's the libelness of a published resource.
"RBLs don't block mail. Their users do."
"users" - under the control of the admin. By proxy, yes they do.
"They do that so the legitimate customers will call their ISP and demand they stop the adjacent spammers."
Gee, they can't write a script to include only the offenders? I thought they were 'uber'?
"FWIW that is how the spews.org blacklist works."
That's just it...it does NOT work either. All these groups attitudes have done is move the battle in that they're the bad guy now. People would rather get and filter the span than miss out on a legitimate email that contains important information.
Not all areas are the same. Sometimes, and often, DSL "is" the only option. Or the monopoly of the cable because an ILEC is in the area and you're forced to "bundle" as well.
Why should the residents move? and I'm still tired of paying for that war that's now on my cable bill on top of it.
bundled*
Methinks the FCC looked at the potential loss of income that coincides with those "bundedled" packages. I complain every time I see these "service taxes" and other surcharges. 911, yes, but two charges from the feds, one from the state, another for the city, and one more unknown adds up after awhile.
Would you believe it, I only mention my professional price, but that I give discounts to friends and family and that alone keeps them off. I get a call about once a year now. :)
FWIW, I was reminded very pointedly about the hazards of Beta software. I installed this on my own workstation at work as a tester and within a day the network became saturated with unknown traffic. Uninstalling it was the quick solution.
Because it's a misleading statement and many are tired of hearing how "insecure" a system is based on the number of exploits that are implemented by narrow-minded individuals out to "get the man".
Last I looked, it's called restitution and lawyers representing both sides come to a common agreement. The alternative was the kid declares a Chapter 13 Bankruptcy (pay agreement up to 5 years) and MS gets alot less.
That was funny! I'm sorry I already posted in this article. :)
Even the FBI has invoked this concept. A semi-recent movie, "Catch Me If You Can" depicts the story of a fake-check writer now working for them and responsible for most of the security procedures in place today with banks.
Nice tag. Very fair sounding.
"But tell me this: Was anybody's life ruined? "
911 service was knocked out in some areas...did you not read?
"He's a former Apple convert ... he absolutely HATES Windows"
:)
... Administrators"."
Hmmm, you're right. If my CEO went to Apple, I would lose faith in the company's competence level and look for another job.
".. well, my advice *was* aimed at "Windows
And so that would put you at age 1 then? You used the word, not me.
"Try this: leave the keys in your car parked during the night in a downtown street. Tell it to your insurance company and try to make them pay you."
I don't leave my keys in my car, I use authentication to access it. It is circumventing that authentication (car-jacking vs trojans) that we're placing the wrong blame here.
"... or someone used a blow torch. If someon wanted in that bad..."
That's just it, you have a lock on your door (authentication), but somebody broke a window or used a blow torch (brute force). You blame the lock manufacturer? What a waste of police time to go after your locksmith instead of the real perpetrator (the writer of the virus/worm/trojan/whatever).
And let's suppose a burgular went under the house and up through the floor, perhaps through the stink pipe and up through your toilet, perhaps when coming thru the floor they were able to use a crowbar and hammer yet bypasses the security alarm on the DoorXP (btw, this tactic works on DoorLinux, too). Should you still responsible for selling them the product "that doesn't work" because they didn't anticipate the creativity of the criminal?
umm...boy, you sure missed the point on this thread.
Beacause the pattern of 0's and 1's are probing (peeping into windows) and designed to unlawfually gain information such as credit card information (burgularly) or destroy the system (arson).
Even if I do leave my door unlocked and my windows don't have doors, you don't have the right to come in and take anything you want. You or viruses have no more right to my box.
"Windows boxen"
You realize this makes your grammar at my 5 year old's level?
"6. Get everyone..."
"8. Force everyone... "
Tell your CEO/President this and see how long you're employed as they see you as the expert and expect you to be competent enough to handle the job. Obviously, you are not.
He didn't get let off. He went to prison!
As for the fine...it is meaningless unless you actually can pay it off. Currently, 500,000 is not workable, 50,000 is. MS obviously thinks this guy will get one after he pays debt to society (prison, remember?) and either is thinking "let's put it at a level he actually can pay off" or "let's be sensible for now and maybe he'll come work for us"
Except IBM is getting rid of their hardware.