The problem is that they are not isolated scum. Many Somalis, after repeated foreign invasion (recently US, Ethiopian, Kenyan) with the only periods of stability in the last 30 years provided by Al Shabaab and its predecessors (the "Islamic courts") are clearly happier with Al Shaabab than the guys who come in from the sea in boats and helicopters.
Most of the world knows the "rebels" are Al Qaeda and Allied terrorist monsters slaughtering christians and other muslim sects
Because we left the secular rebels twisting in the wind 'till our "friends" in Saudi and Qatar stepped up to the plate.
The current whining about the fate of the Christians makes me laugh after the Iraqi mess - just like in Iraq the Syrian Christians support the Ba'athist dictatorship because they are protected by the thugs in power. Then they learn the hard way that minorities that protect themselves by supporting dictators get screwed in the end.
Anyway, the "other muslim sects" have a few guys on their side, like Hezbollah and Iran, who are perfectly prepared to slaughter any Sunni (or Kurds, or Christians) they can find.
The same site running stories about how Iran is not enriching uranium, but rather is producing nanodiamonds?
Zero points for reading comprehension, Eric.
The claim is that Iran is enriching uranium (as they say themselves) and producing nanondiamonds (which would be why they are working with an expert in the production of nanodiamonds).
And, or, not. The basics of logic. Maybe they escape you,
But the mission didn't go as planned. A fierce firefight broke out, and the Americans had to withdraw -- not knowing if the person they were trying to get was dead or alive.
But what is obvious is that this attack by SEAL personal by boat was somehow detected and responded to with heavy fire. The SEALs were said to had to call in helicopters and they had to retreat under fire.
Sounds like the SEALS ran in to the same problem as the French "Service Action" unit - Al Shabaab are seen by most Somalis as the legitimate government, foreign forces are invaders. If you hear funny noises in the night it might be Nazi parachutists so you tell the local bobby.
Besides, it's nice to see Muslim hypocrisy stand out for the whole world to see, when they don't lift even a finger to help their ummah bretheren in Syria. Saudi are demanding we take refugees and pay out loads of money. They're rich -- let THEM do it.
The vast majority of Syrian refugees are in neighboring countries (Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey).
The only real support for the rebels comes from countries in the region (Turkey, Saudi, Qatar).
But the US has decided this year that poor people with easily and cheaply treated diseases should be allowed to live. After only 230 years, and only about 100 years after the rest of the western world decided that it'd make them monsters not to! How can you not consider that humanitarian!
He's not talking about foreign aid. He's talking about treating Americans.
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I sympathize with people, not ideas.
Al Shabaab are, like the Taliban, scum.
The problem is that they are not isolated scum. Many Somalis, after repeated foreign invasion (recently US, Ethiopian, Kenyan) with the only periods of stability in the last 30 years provided by Al Shabaab and its predecessors (the "Islamic courts") are clearly happier with Al Shaabab than the guys who come in from the sea in boats and helicopters.
Interesting how while the enemy lost a guy, they still painted it as a victory overall.
So how do you define 'winning' and 'losing' in this situation?
Did the operation achieve its aims.
Killing random people isn't how you measure success. Doing what you set out to do is how you measure success.
This isn't a game.
Them's fighting words.
Maybe you need to take a step back from the keyboard and take a time out.
Why?
Because you can't rebut the argument?
What are you going to do, leap out of the screen and strangle me?
The Military Industrial Complex is Open for Business during the shutdown, of course.>
Oh Rly? http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/04/2324202/lockheed-to-furlough-3000-on-monday-layoffs-also-kicking-in
Most of the world knows the "rebels" are Al Qaeda and Allied terrorist monsters slaughtering christians and other muslim sects
Because we left the secular rebels twisting in the wind 'till our "friends" in Saudi and Qatar stepped up to the plate.
The current whining about the fate of the Christians makes me laugh after the Iraqi mess - just like in Iraq the Syrian Christians support the Ba'athist dictatorship because they are protected by the thugs in power. Then they learn the hard way that minorities that protect themselves by supporting dictators get screwed in the end.
Anyway, the "other muslim sects" have a few guys on their side, like Hezbollah and Iran, who are perfectly prepared to slaughter any Sunni (or Kurds, or Christians) they can find.
Since AC's language appears not to be English I suppose he's talking about:
The 1998 Cavalese cable car disaster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1998)
And maybe the Abu Omar case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case
What Generals?
Yeah, but "lesbian free chat" is probably the high point of this discussion so far.
A Kalashnikov isn't that high tech, it's made mainly with stamped metal and wood. Sarin takes quite a bit more technology to create.
Well, Sarin is rather depressingly easy to make.
It's a bit harder if you want to stay alive while making it, but well within the capabilities of your average Japanese cult.
The Libyan government is the most liberal and pro western friendly government in the middle east.
Am I missing a whoosh here?
We may be in a "conflict" with Libya.
WTF!
The "Libyan" government are the "rebels" you helped put into power.
You're in "conflict" with them to the extent you're in conflict with the Iraqi or Afghani governments.
No wonder America always fucks up on the international stage if such influential people as Anonymous Coward don't know the players without a program
Is "ignoramuses" the correct plural form? "Ignorami"?
Nah.
4. ignorami
What ignoramuses think is the plural of ignoramus because it sounds better.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ignorami
I have no problems managing my anger, I direct it towards idiots and ignoramuses.
t'll be fun for the US and Iran/Russia to try out try out our new high tech military toys in a proxy war...
High tech toys? Sarin is even older than the Kalashnikov.
(Bizarre - Firefox spellchecker digs Kalashnikov, but chokes on Sarin. Some kind of anti-WMD thing?)
Well, actually he's a Kunt. But he's so dumb he thought he was a Kurd.
The same site running stories about how Iran is not enriching uranium, but rather is producing nanodiamonds?
Zero points for reading comprehension, Eric.
The claim is that Iran is enriching uranium (as they say themselves) and producing nanondiamonds (which would be why they are working with an expert in the production of nanodiamonds).
And, or, not. The basics of logic. Maybe they escape you,
How about posting the source for your bullshit?
Might it be Moon of Alabama?
Maybe CNN?
But the mission didn't go as planned. A fierce firefight broke out, and the Americans had to withdraw -- not knowing if the person they were trying to get was dead or alive.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/05/world/africa/somalia-us-shabaab-raid/index.html
The Libyan interim government called the U.S. capture a kidnapping and has requested an explanation from Washington about the raid,
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/06/world/africa/us-forces-africa-terrorist-raids/
(Nice URL there CNN: :"US Forces Africa Terrorist Raid".)
But what is obvious is that this attack by SEAL personal by boat was somehow detected and responded to with heavy fire. The SEALs were said to had to call in helicopters and they had to retreat under fire.
Sounds like the SEALS ran in to the same problem as the French "Service Action" unit - Al Shabaab are seen by most Somalis as the legitimate government, foreign forces are invaders. If you hear funny noises in the night it might be Nazi parachutists so you tell the local bobby.
Besides, it's nice to see Muslim hypocrisy stand out for the whole world to see, when they don't lift even a finger to help their ummah bretheren in Syria. Saudi are demanding we take refugees and pay out loads of money. They're rich -- let THEM do it.
The vast majority of Syrian refugees are in neighboring countries (Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey).
The only real support for the rebels comes from countries in the region (Turkey, Saudi, Qatar).
So what the fuck are you talking about?
The US supports the more secular parts of the rebels.
In such a feeble and impotent way that both AQ and the Syrian government increase in power and your "allies" are weakened.
Just like always.
The US is the most powerful enemy of US interests that exists.
so all we'd have to recover at best would be a handful of Hartnells, but still better than nothing.
Whipersnapper.
However, not everything is better in Europe: a glass of water might cost €2. Even McDonalds charges €0.60 (~ $1) for a cup of tap water.
Where the hell are you eating?
I've never been charged for tap water or bread.
(France).
++true.
I have people who try to work out what they ordered to see how much they should pay.
GNI income.
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Oh, you missed Joe Tie's point:
But the US has decided this year that poor people with easily and cheaply treated diseases should be allowed to live. After only 230 years, and only about 100 years after the rest of the western world decided that it'd make them monsters not to! How can you not consider that humanitarian!
He's not talking about foreign aid. He's talking about treating Americans.
You know, ACA, Obamacare.