Well, yes - you're using the original definition of liberal.
Economicaly liberal => against government control of the enconomy Socialy liberal => against government control of "morality".
Americans seem to think they need a new word "libertarian" to say what normal people think liberal means. (And they then go on to use "libertarian" as a synonym of "sociopathic").
I assume you mean civilian population because I know a few people went into right into the nuclear leaking part to manually fix things and they came out with radiation burns covering large portions of their bodies. I'm sure those people didn't live.
Well, in the sense that they don't exist they don't live.
Because nobody "came out with radiation burns covering large portions of their bodies".
A couple of people got burns to their feet by standing in radioactive water, but they (AFAIK) haven't died.
There are videos on Youtube claiming things are much worse, but I don't consider that a reliable source.
They are hyper-leftists. The only reason that they got re-elected was that the press covered that fact up. The same press you get all your information from.
Oh no! You've revealed the hidden truth!
Off to the FEMA reeducation camps you go, Comrade.
Assuming I'm not a victim of Poe's law - in what way are they "hyper leftists"?
I find it hilarious tat Amnesty and other similar non-sense organizations claim to be the voice of the obressed but at the same time turn their backs on the real issues like this. Instead, they concentrate on issues such as educated European women not getting the same compensation, domestic abuse of women in Europe (ignoring domestic abuse of men) or the rights of lesbians in the most tolerate countries in the world.
In Saudi Arabia, women cannot travel, undertake paid work or higher education, or marry without a male guardian’s permission. From June 2011, scores of Saudi Arabian women supported a campaign against the ban on female drivers by getting behind the wheel. Some were arrested and made to sign pledges not to repeat the offence and at least one woman tried and sentenced to 10 lashes.
as long as you treat half of your society like cattle, you are never going to have a happy, prosperous, or just culture.
Uh, this is Saudi Arabia. I have no idea whether they're happy, I known they're not just, but that prosperous thing...
(Actualy, looking at it, their per capita GDP is lower than I expected - $21,196 in 2011, better than Taiwan, but not amazingly high. But they're not poor).
Balls, the police weren't afraid to enter - Sarko destroyed the "police de proximité", giving all the cash to his blue eyed boys in the "Brigade Anit Criminalité" who spent all their time running around like the cowboys they were, ending up shaking down the drug dealers for cash.
10 years of right wing authoritarian blather and reductions in police man power are what let the situation get to where it is now.
Won't happen, and remember this is in accordance with sharia law too. Which is supposed to elevate women above western standards, or so flappy headed groups keep telling us.
Well played sir!
Rather than thinking about the question "Why no trade sanctions against Saudi Arabia" you've hijacked the thread into a load of islamophobic nonsense.
One of the things that is present today that wasn't present more than 30 years ago, is a variety of earth-oriented satellites that can do things like actually measure global mean temperature.
Well, no. We can infer the temperature from satellite measurements but not directly measure it.
How do we know this? Because the economies of the time were barter economies, and therefore the tax records were tracking goods rather than money. We actually have detailed records of what was grown where, when, and frequently how well.
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Well, yes - you're using the original definition of liberal.
Economicaly liberal => against government control of the enconomy
Socialy liberal => against government control of "morality".
Americans seem to think they need a new word "libertarian" to say what normal people think liberal means. (And they then go on to use "libertarian" as a synonym of "sociopathic").
And I resent your subtle attempt to paint us all as racists.
Well, obviously not all.
Just many of you.
Like most everywhere else.
But, to ignore your attempt to derail the topic - do you realy consider Panama as "North America"?
So you want to continue imposing the externalities of AGW on everybody except the polluters.
No interference in the economy there.
You can't avoid "intefering with the economy". We are the economy. Everything we do is "interference".
Like I said, I misread your post - thought you were making the usual American error of "liberal = left".
My bad.
I assume you mean civilian population because I know a few people went into right into the nuclear leaking part to manually fix things and they came out with radiation burns covering large portions of their bodies. I'm sure those people didn't live.
Well, in the sense that they don't exist they don't live.
Because nobody "came out with radiation burns covering large portions of their bodies".
A couple of people got burns to their feet by standing in radioactive water, but they (AFAIK) haven't died.
There are videos on Youtube claiming things are much worse, but I don't consider that a reliable source.
Interesting. USA residents do not have one word for that in English.
In English English the term is "The Americas".
And the North America includes Central America in usage.
Panama is in North America? I think not. I'd bet most "americans" count everything below (and possibly including) Mexico as "South America".
Drat, sorry, misread your post. Please ignore my failed attempt at wit.
German greens are more liberal than socialists
Liberal. You keep using this word. It does not mean what you think it means.
many are starting on CO2 sequestration.
For values of many that are close to none
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/10/11/so-you-want-to-stash-your-carbon-emissions-underground/
Moreover, no country has yet figured out how to capture and bury carbon-dioxide from coal-fired power plants effectively.
You complain about people demonizing "clean coal" then boast of things that don't even exist.
No mainstream politician has any interest in reducing the national debt. [...] Clinton actually started it down the road to lessening it,
So Clinton was not a mainstream politician?
They are hyper-leftists. The only reason that they got re-elected was that the press covered that fact up. The same press you get all your information from.
Oh no! You've revealed the hidden truth!
Off to the FEMA reeducation camps you go, Comrade.
Assuming I'm not a victim of Poe's law - in what way are they "hyper leftists"?
But "tftp (111690)" knows that socialism cannot work. Therefore Denmark doesn't exist. So it can't be happy.
I find it hilarious tat Amnesty and other similar non-sense organizations claim to be the voice of the obressed but at the same time turn their backs on the real issues like this. Instead, they concentrate on issues such as educated European women not getting the same compensation, domestic abuse of women in Europe (ignoring domestic abuse of men) or the rights of lesbians in the most tolerate countries in the world.
Is this really the Amnesty today?
http://www.amnesty.org/en/ai_search?keywords=saudi+arabia&op=Search
Gives me:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/womens-rights
Support women in Saudi Arabia
In Saudi Arabia, women cannot travel, undertake paid work or higher education, or marry without a male guardian’s permission. From June 2011, scores of Saudi Arabian women supported a campaign against the ban on female drivers by getting behind the wheel. Some were arrested and made to sign pledges not to repeat the offence and at least one woman tried and sentenced to 10 lashes.
Why do you think Amnesty is ignoring this?
as long as you treat half of your society like cattle, you are never going to have a happy, prosperous, or just culture.
Uh, this is Saudi Arabia. I have no idea whether they're happy, I known they're not just, but that prosperous thing...
(Actualy, looking at it, their per capita GDP is lower than I expected - $21,196 in 2011, better than Taiwan, but not amazingly high. But they're not poor).
Balls, the police weren't afraid to enter - Sarko destroyed the "police de proximité", giving all the cash to his blue eyed boys in the "Brigade Anit Criminalité" who spent all their time running around like the cowboys they were, ending up shaking down the drug dealers for cash.
10 years of right wing authoritarian blather and reductions in police man power are what let the situation get to where it is now.
Won't happen, and remember this is in accordance with sharia law too. Which is supposed to elevate women above western standards, or so flappy headed groups keep telling us.
Well played sir!
Rather than thinking about the question "Why no trade sanctions against Saudi Arabia" you've hijacked the thread into a load of islamophobic nonsense.
You said:
I'm a skeptic on this, but this means my opinion on the matter is always changeable - I go where the evidence points me.
but now you say
However, I imagine that those who specialize in China, India, Russia, etc., do have similar records
So imagination trumps evidence?
I don't think most of Europe can be classified as a "tiny part of the Earth's surface"...
Yurp: 10,180,000 km2
Land: 148,940,000 km2
So about 6%
One of the things that is present today that wasn't present more than 30 years ago, is a variety of earth-oriented satellites that can do things like actually measure global mean temperature.
Well, no. We can infer the temperature from satellite measurements but not directly measure it.
And... here are the results:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/plot/uah/from:1980/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1980/trend
Funny, the satellites give the same answer as those nasty CRU guys.
Food I eat mostly consists of potatoes, pork and beef.
Sounds boring. Needs more saurkraut.
Lawn Mowers - Operating a mower for an hour is the pollution equivalent of driving a car 200 miles.
WTF?
imagine a 50mpg car. 200 miles is 4 gal.
Your lawnmower uses 4 gallons in one hour? get it checked.
Per passenger mile, modern aircraft are actually pretty efficient
But, obviously, the problem is they go more miles.
More fucking idiot slashmods. "Insightful'?
How do we know this? Because the economies of the time were barter economies, and therefore the tax records were tracking goods rather than money. We actually have detailed records of what was grown where, when, and frequently how well.
For tiny parts of the earths surface.
The last gasp of a dying culture.