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Saudi Arabia Implements Electronic Tracking System For Women
dsinc writes "Denied the right to travel without consent from their male guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements. Since last week, Saudi women's male guardians began receiving text messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody leave the country, even if they are travelling together. 'The authorities are using technology to monitor women,' said columnist Badriya al-Bishr, who criticised the 'state of slavery under which women are held' in the ultra-conservative kingdom. Women are not allowed to leave the kingdom without permission from their male guardian, who must give his consent by signing what is known as the 'yellow sheet' at the airport or border."
"heh, let's just tell all of their women to come to the West where they will be appreciated." said a John Forbes from Chicago Illinois while he was filling up his SUV with 60 gallons of premium gas.
When South Africa did this (to black people, rather than women), under Apartheid, the civilised world rightly condemned it, and imposed trade sanctions.
Where are the trade embargoes on Saudi Arabia? They're in contravention of the UN declaration of Human Rights.
What a fucking backwards culture, but they have oil so it's cool.
We need to get our fracking industry going full bore, convert all semi's to use it, and get to where we import 0% oil from anywhere. Let China and Russia keep the straights of Hormuz clear. Let the Saudies fall back into the decrepit 3rd world pit it deserves to be.
... if you let the insane Muslims invade them.
There's a number of cheaper solutions. /. should be discarded by the "automatic moderator overlord".
- put them in chains at home
- put them in jail
- chain them to their male guardian
- kill them all
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Any non hilarious or non ironic comment to this article in
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Unfortunately things such as this reflect the will of much of the population there, the governments actions just represent the attitudes of the population in that area. There are a few dissenters but far between. In fact the saudi arabian government has expiremented with loosening the laws on women but have been met with death threats and back lash from the population from trying such things. what is also concerning is that Europe seems to be under threat from immigration from countries with ultra conservative values such as Pakistan.because fertility rates in Europe are far too low, below replacement level, there is a real danger of as well Europeans headed towards extinction, unless Europeans start having more children and stop allowing in this immigration invasion that is destroying Europe, by rapidly reproducing muslims.
Those are electronic devices with some embedded communication device.
Do you need more fun that that?
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
The firm that created this should be shamed (or hacked) out of existence.
Why is is this term never applied to Muslim countries by American secular progressives?
The "service" has been in operation since 2010 and it applies to all "dependents" which includes children, contracted laborers, etc. See: http://riyadhbureau.com/blog/2012/11/saudi-women-tracking. As offensive as the Saudi gov't policies are, getting half the story isn't going to help matters.
...is the anus of the world.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
... and aren't your women even more important to you? /troll
Yep. True. Men belong in the kitchen. Servants to the women who have given life to them.
Saudia Ararbia now officially supports mysogyny, and Israel is committed to ethnic cleansing. China is totalitarian and the biggest carbon polluter, but they're even more capitalist than the U.S. which they supply with all its cheap plastic crap. Pakistan is a rogue nuclear proliferator, and they harbored Osama bin Laden. Egypt is reformed, but they're head of state just declared his edicts to be above judicial review. Sout Korea is as big as 'currency manipulator' as China.
What's the world's legacy Super Power to do when it's nearly impossible to cogently define what it takes to be a U.S. ally? Has the world become one large military market place of ideas?
I had to check the date to see if it was April 1. Nope...
...they added the feature to give them an electric shock when they've been sitting on the couch for too long, watching TV and eating bon-bons, this could a perfect system.
Muslim countries didn't sign UN declaration of Human Rights because they perceived it as not compatible with Islam. Although these countries got own version of Human Rights declaration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam
I mean, the [mighty] USA has never complained about this kind of treatment. Sounds like hipocrisy to me.
Diversity means accepting a little more than just being served by mustachioed waiters with amusing accents in quaint ethnic restaurants.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
Wheres the nearest woman? Theres an app for that!
What happens to (hot) trannies?
it could actually start a ...
pussy riot!
(what? WHAT?? someone had to say it!)
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
For a conservative country, they're very keen to break new ground in high tech surveillance and invasion of privacy. I mean, it's all so... modern, you know? Is this horse dead yet?
All the UN has to do is say "To use our planets orbit, or services reliant on satellites or anything airborne , you need to agree to these human rights." There goes their GPS tracking. If they launch a satellite, wait for it to reach orbit and then let it "malfunction".
If these people can leave the stone age, they should be confined to the ground until they smarten the hell up.
Is now an official policy statement for western industrialized nations too.
Like every sharia law complaint country, Saudi Arabia is not 'ultra-conservative.' It is ultra-repressive and tyrannical.
Mod Me Up. You'll make a grown man cry.
I was hoping to implement a electronic tracking system on anyone from Saudi Arabia, guess it'll be over halfway finished here directly.
'I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes, when it takes a man's life.' ~ Four Leaf Tayback
I'm no feminist, but this is unjust and stupid
It's also hilarious how the USA are all over supposed human rights in Russia and Belarus where people live with dignity, and overlook insane places like the Saudi Arabia is.
There's been no change to the opression, just the method.
Still - maybe 'Anonymous' can do something useful for a change?
Who do you think makes refines and supports these tracking systems?
IBM, CISCO, Symantec, ORACLE... the usual suspects. the same people
who develop office content filtering firewalls and then go sell them to Iran
and North Korea to block free speech and non state approved media.
It may surprise people but.... Saudi has ALWAYS had this system of tracking women.
As a child, when I left the country to visit my grandparents, accompanied by my mother, we had to be legally escorted to the airport and signed out by my dad, on re-entry we were re-checked into my dad's care.
We were westerners living under the same rules as the locals. This was as far back as early 80s... the system has been in play forever. This is merely a modernisation of the system. I'm not saying I agree with the practice but, this is hardly headline news as its simply an upgrade to rules and methods for applying those rules that have been in play for a long long time.
Why is it only now, when computers get involved that people are having issues with the basic concept? It was widely unknown it appears when the system was paperbased.
Expat Brat.
They need RFIDs to know if their women are at the kitchen?
Cows are holy for Hindus, far more important than even people. Yet, we treat cows brutally and fucking eat them.
I know this might sound extreme, but Saudi women ought to opt to all get tubal ligation. I think that might end the absurd Saudi sexism issues once and for all.
Supermarkets are stocked by those pixies!
They magically deliver all those items to the shelves, all the way from the Kingdom of Shrumia.
Where gnomes collect them from under the market-trees where they gently float to the ground ON THEIR OWN when they are ripe.
An advanced military with nuclear weapons
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You seem to be having a wrong impression what the term "ethnic cleansing" means.
Besides that, it's great PR. Saving children from fire and stuff. Let's all think of the children for a moment, shall we?
Also, it would be really great if you had bothered reading beyond the headline. You know... As in not embarrassing.
On a day when Israel conducted hundreds of bombing runs against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, and Hamas returned the favour with hundreds of rockets fired at Israeli civilians, over a hundred Israeli trucks, loaded with humanitarian supplies, were lined up, ready to roll into Gaza to support the population there.
The delay was at the Kerem Shalom border crossing point, which is the main transfer point for supplies entering Gaza. Israel co-ordinates the transfer of basic supplies â" food and medicine, primarily â" into Gaza. The supplies themselves are donated by the international community, by private donors or purchased by the Palestinian Authority, which still controls the West Bank (Hamas seized Gaza in a brief civil war in 2007). Whatever their original source, Israel accepts the supplies, loads them into transport trucks and drives the trucks into a purpose-built compound at the border near Kerem Shalom. The trucks unload the supplies and return to Israel. Gazan trucks then enter the compound to load and distribute the supplies.
It's a puff piece, showing Israel's "grace under pressure" and their "nobility and sense of fair-play and justice".
At the same time it's wagging a finger at Palestinians insinuating that Israel could stop those supplies along with electricity and water they are delivering to their little "ghetto" and let them starve in their own feces and darkness.
But they won't, cause they are the good guys. And because they care.
But they like, totally could, you know.
Itâ(TM)s not just food, of course. Even as the fighting continues between Hamas and Israel, Gaza is receiving more than a hundred megawatts of electrical power from Israel, even as the town the power plant is located in is hit by Hamas rocket fire. On Sunday, Israel evacuated 26 Gazans for treatment in Israeli medical facilities. Much of Gazaâ(TM)s purified water comes from Israel.
In any normal military conflict, Israel would be entirely within its rights to suspend all food shipments, all medical assistance, and all supplies of electricity and water to Gaza until Hamas surrendered, or at least ceased fire. But Israel wonâ(TM)t do that. They know full well that Hamas wouldnâ(TM)t be deterred by the suffering of its civilian population. It never is. Even as Israel bombs Gaza, it shows more concern for the people living there than Hamas ever has.
That happening on the XXI century, having such a clear violation of human rights (I could quote you on those, but if I recall correctly is the most translated text ever, so RTF UDHR http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml ), is, to say the least, shameful!
Not having official complaints from every other nation proves the state of uncarefulness for your neighbours our societies reached.
Beware! It will happen to you next! (And you have been warned for several years now BTW)
insert mandatory quote here: ... Then they came for me,
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and there was no one left to speak for me." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
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If anyone's taking up a collection to buy handguns for Saudi women, I'm in for a grand.
bio diesel industry is wrong, the benefits you get are obscured by:
- food scarcity
- goverment bonuses to big farmer and big evil (insert monsanto/whatever here)
- patent trolls
- CO positive, because mass farming is OIL intensive industry
- lowest return on the barrel ever
- ecological destruction of habitats
etc etc etc... just go read about it!
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you are obviously the voice of experience.
The women in Saudi Arabia are soooooo ugly they are kept under strict control. No one can see them and they aren't allowed out of the country because Saudi men would become laughing stocks if the world knew just how ugly their wives are. Why else the Berka!
Texas does the same thing to high school students.
That's because saudi arabia is run by a bunch of degenerate monarchy retards hiding behind Islam to oppress women and it was the same issue with europe from medieval times to early 20th century, even here in the U.S until women's rights were past in the 20th century. Look at Islamic golden age or during the ottomon empire where women were not treated like they are treated in Saudi Arabia, they actually had jobs, businesses, high positions in government, were not accompanied by man, etc... I got a feeling the majority of men in Saudi Arabia who want women oppressed are homosexuals. Same with all these crazy conservative christians in U.S who can't seem to stay away from a women's vagina always trying to control her body, why is that? they are probably homo's, a lot of them were caught either getting their dicks sucked or vice versa. Even the ancient greeks who oppressed women were homo's and child molestors(were having sex with young boys). To hate a women this much you have to be a homo.
Women there are treated like children. But we can't get too high and mighty here. Women only got the right to vote in the US in 1920.
On the other hand, as far as I can tell, never in non-Muslim cultures have women been forced to cover themselves from head to toe, with only their eyes visible. Or not allowed to leave the house without a male custodian. That's a unique curiosity only found in portions of the Muslim world.
Also, have you stopped beating your wife yet?
FUCK YOU.
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
...taking them to the vet and "chipping" them.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Even if they had, it's not a treaty.
as long as you treat half of your society like cattle, you are never going to have a happy, prosperous, or just culture.
Yes, I know: "honor," "dignity." Well why don't you let your women take care of that for themselves on their own.
The Chinese, the Indians, the Americans, the Europeans, they will advance. And you will fester. Because of your poor choices.
Regards,
the rest of the world
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
So, the USA is Muslim?
http://www.udhr.org/history/question.htm#_Toc397930439
Because they haven't signed/ratified it completely, just like Somalia.
Glass houses, stones, etc.
They're just one step from taking them to the vet and "chipping" them.
I suspect they may already have gotten to that.
I've often wondered, after all the US' TLAs have done (South & Central America (United Fruit/Chiquita Banana), Cuba (Bay of Pigs), S. E. Asia (VietNam), The Cold War, ...), why hasn't sufficient provocation been found yet for the US military to roll over Saudi Arabia? Grenada and Panama ranked, so why not SA? They couldn't hope to stop the US. You'd think it would be a drop dead simple (practically bloodless coup even) solution to "The Troubles" in the Middle East. Forget Iran; blow away the House of Saud, and doesn't that area become a lot more friendly for everyone, including Iran and Israel? Doesn't Saudi Arabia have a lot of oil, after all? It'd even pee off Pakistan and Indonesia, woohoo!
Does Prince Bandar have pics of JFK raping kittens and puppies or something?!?
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
The US either offers citizenship to these women or it needs to send that statue back to France.
There is no other explanation.
Democracy is a religion. It has it's own goals and crusades: women's equality, women's empowerment, It's great mortal sins it fights against: male (not just men) rulership at home, pedophile marraige with little girls, males ruling over girls, and it's own churches: schools, and enforcement of indoctrination at those churches(schools) by jailing the parents if they don't send them or taking the children themselves.
Democracy is an enemy religion against males (not men: men are the few males women like). It is just like islam, judiasm, christianity, bhuddism in that it has it's own laws and seeks converts. It believes it has the right to force all males to obey it's princaples and beliefs (even though the beliefs of Democracy run against what is to benifit males (other religions do aswell)).
Can't you allow one country to have males very happily marrying cute sweet little girls? Keeping the girls as servants, not attending your temple/school every day? Afghanistan is one of the few places that, allegedly, they marry young raped girls to the man who raped her (as commanded in Deuteronomy 22 28-29 (hebrew) (and yes this includes pedophillia with girls: read the hebrew). Let men be king in one place or a few places on earth, please.
Can you do that?
No you can't.
It's against your pro-woman anti-male religion of Democracy.
Deuteronomy not Democracy. Defeat Democracy. It is a religion that is evil to males (and good for women).
My feeling is that in the UN, each country should get a number of votes based on the proportion of free people in the population that has real say in said country's government (based on some standard set of checks, but mostly based on whether they can vote in honest elections). In a government like China, that would mean they would only get a tiny fraction of a vote, based on the small minority of high ranking government officials who get to choose how China actually operates. The same would be true in countries like Iran that hold mostly fraudulent elections.
Well established verifiable democracies would have a lot more influence in the UN than dictatorships.
The best part is that countries like China can't realistically complain about not having a voice proportional to their people when they can't truly say they represent those people. If they want a democratic say in how the planet is run, then they have to offer that same right to the people in their country.
Any upstanding Arab has right to keep tabs on the chattel. It has always been thus. All we propose is use of these electronic thingamajiggies and intarweb made by you infidels to automizate the process. Whycome you have problem?
Where can I get one of these for my wife?
I find it hilarious tat Amnesty and other similar non-sense organizations claim to be the voice of the obressed but at the same time turn their backs on the real issues like this. Instead, they concentrate on issues such as educated European women not getting the same compensation, domestic abuse of women in Europe (ignoring domestic abuse of men) or the rights of lesbians in the most tolerate countries in the world.
Is this really the Amnesty today?
Let's respect diversity here!
The rights of Observant Muslims to track their women should be respected, as well as their rights to circumcise their daughters, and behead homosexuals.
If you disagree with this you are a racist bigot and just like Hitler!
Wikipedia says otherwise:
The Universal Declaration was adopted by the General Assembly on 10 December 1948 by a vote of 48 in favour, 0 against, with eight abstentions: the USSR, Ukrainian SSR, Byelorussian SSR, People's Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, People's Republic of Poland, Union of South Africa, Czechoslovakia and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Among the 48 nations that voted in favour: Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Syria and Turkey.
Just do it already.
Given the crap men have to put up with from women already, this increase in paper work and administration is central government gone mad. Let them leave already.
ALL dependants are covered: women, Children (both boys and girls) *and* all workers whose work visa you have given.
If they are on your ID card (women and children don't get separate ID cards) or their Passport (as their "kafeel" caretaker, or visa giver, as it were), you need the Saudi man's permission to leave, and they will now be informed of it.
I think this system was made for the "worker" part of the category in mind; they want to know where their slaves^H^H^H^H^H^H are going, and if they are escaping. Poor labourers are practically indentured slaves, kept in live via the sword of heavy debt; I have know people try to escape by leaving everything behind with just the clothes on their backs. This is to prevent that.
Make of it as you will.
I am an ACCA student. Got a query on Accountancy/Finance? Maybe I can help!
We can do something about it. The US and the EU immigration could impose on all Saudi Arabia men the obligation to produce a letter signed by the mother or by the wife.
Nobody gives a shit anymore, sadly. Hell it takes something as bad as Syria to even get those sanctions and embargoes these days.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
So, let me get this straight... We condemn other places and countries for this same BS, but them say " Oh, sure, you guys can treat women how you want as long as you sell us Oil" ?
Reason number 23285 for hating the US / UN.
And just like Christianity is the religion of forgiveness and turning the other cheek, helping the poor and doing good works.
Because the parents voluntarily agree doesn't mean the child voluntarily did.
Sorry but ALL religion is insidious and evil. It is a means of control for the unintelligent and mentally lazy.
This glib little sound bite may have become the popular trend on Slashdot, but it is patently false. Buddhism, Sikhism and others are indeed truly peaceful religions that, though they may or may not be misguided, are not insidious or evil.
1. citizens of countries that support(whether it be foreign aid or even just business) saudi arabia are also liable, as their government works on their behalf. or
2. said governments no longer represent the people, and therefore must be destroyed.
*choose wisely*
I'm just adding LoJack to your body.....
I knew a fellow engineer that did that to his wife here in the states. I told her to mess with him by going to the bar for a couple of hours, then hang out in the motel lobby.....
If there was ever an insightful comment on /., this is one. Posting as AC. I am seeing my own country being taken over by muslims in this exact manner. What I never understand is how can you call a person a patriot or even just a simple good citizen if their 'first' loyalty is to their fellow muslims regardless of where they are. Now I live in a different country (first world), and even here I routinely see Pak and Bangladeshi muslims who are just as backward as they were in their homelands.
I am not supporting xenophobia. But all ideology must be tempered with commonsense.
"No culture that doesn't preserve itself has ever survived, big surprise there. ". Indeed.
The WTO made divestment illegal in 1999.
The "Massachusetts Burma Procurement Law" is one of the early cases.
WTO rules prohibit the use of environmental, human rights or labor practices to be considered as criteria in awarding public contracts.
Yep. We've entered into treaties that allow private corporations to challenge and overturn democratically enacted laws using secret courts.
I participated in the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle.
You geeks know about WIPO right?
I thought we were pro-property rights?
"No good deed goes unpunished"
Now this is a REAL war on women, not the vapor war that Obama's minions bitched about.
Women in some of the conservative Moslem countries are treated worse than slaves.
We in the West need to find ways to cut off their source of funding (oil) ASAP. We need to make the entire basis of their economy worthless.
I have great respect for the Moslems I know here in the U.S. They're generally nice people and even if a tad stiff.
But the ones in their home countries, the enslave their wives, sisters, mothers, and daughters, are TOO LOW TO LIVE.
its not about safety... well mostly not. in the states theres a case going on about a student refusing to wear a tracking
device as is an experimental policy (the intent can easily be construed as keeping kids safe / in school)
this is hoarding of power. tracking people is wrong. women are people. tracking women is wrong.
their country, their issues.
And India is 4th most dangerous place in the world for women.
It is only a little better than war-ravaged Afghanistan and Congo.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-is-fourth-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-women-poll/1/141639.html
Casteism
India is an uncivilized nation for your girl child.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-is-fourth-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-women-poll/1/141639.html
1. Every 22 minutes a rape.
2. The conviction rate is below 25%.
3. Police refuse to register victim's complaint.
4. Insane politicians are saying gang-rape is consensual sex.
5. Rapist family members visit victim's house to show off their caste=hegemony.
http://ncrb.gov.in/CD-CII2011/cii-2011/Chapters.htm
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main54.asp?filename=Ne061012Dalit.asp
http://www.firstpost.com/india/a-rape-every-22-mins-what-makes-us-so-complacent-489080.html
Casteism
Here in Texas, we do this to our high school students. We force them to wear RFID tags, track them, and email their parents if they are now where they are supposed to be.
If poverty causes religion, how then do you explain the wealthy Saudis who flew themselves into the twin towers?
One, OP is not saying that "poverty causes religion". He is arguing something completely different.
This is not because of religion, race or any of the other stupid non-explanations - it is simply because of wealth and power. Freedom, democracy, tolerance and so on tend to seem like luxury items when you can barely find enough food or water each day.
What he is saying is that those who are poor can't afford "luxuries" of "freedom, democracy, tolerance" - leaving them without knowledge and understanding of those concepts once they broke out of poverty.
And two - that is where the answer to your question lies.
Just try finding a Saudi who's grandfather DIDN'T have to ride for 10 days every morning just to find water for his breakfast tea.
The entire Arabian peninsula is a study in what happens when you take neolithic, tribal or even familial cultures, put them in a desert, oppress them by various global powers for centuries - and then usher them into 20th century, tell them that they are now "nations", give them all the money in the world - and then play a game of cold war chess with them as pawns for a couple of generations.
They don't know nor do they understand "freedom, democracy, tolerance" in a modern sense - but they do know wealth and power.
It's just that they are still thinking like their grandfathers who had none of either - it's what people will kill you for unless you kill them first.
It's the fucking desert. You didn't come there for the view.
You're either family (tribe), someone running away from something or a robber coming to take from family what little they have and probably kill them while you're at it. Or make them slaves.
In their collective cultural consciousness they are still thinking like poor tribal people, still nursing blood feuds of their grandfathers - only now they have all the money in the world, which they've gotten with zero effort.
And all they've gotten from it is more to lose or have stolen and a realization how poor they were before and how rich everyone else was.
THAT is why they fly themselves into skyscrapers.
Because those people in those skyscrapers are robbers and friends of the family's enemies, coming in the night to slit their father's throats and make their mothers and sisters poor slaves once more.
They are living out the myths of their poor grandfathers along with their blood feuds.