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Re:Is this the right thing to do?
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Aaah! Slashdot logic at work again..
First of all, the second law of thermodynamics does not tell us what the right thing to do is. It's not that kind of law, it's a physical law - which means things it prevents are impossible to do.
Second, if the 2nd law had any effect on this at all, it would encourage us. After all, we're extending the gene pool again - increasing entropy. Which is exactly what the 2nd law demands - but never mind the fact.
Times have changed, and there isn't a place for the tiger in modern Australia - shown by the fact that it was a dangerous menace which was hunted in the first place.
Times have changed, and there isn't a place for indians in modern America - shown by the fact that it was a dangerous menace which was hunted in the first place????
Am I only hearing things, or is this the direct logical conclusion? Once we made a mistake, it's fine? Never mind correcting it?
Like it or not, life follows a plan, and once something has happened we need to deal with it and move on.
Life does not follow a plan at all. If you just believe in science - there's no plan behind evolution, it's just survival of the fittest.
If you're Christian (or Buddhist): We have been given choice - it is up to us what we do. We will be judged by our deeds, but there is no predetermined goal.
If you happen to be a muslim and believe in fate - don't even bother. If God planned for it to happen, it will. If not, it won't.
incorporate optimizations
What the heck are you guys smoking? I'm not an M$ advocate, but last time I checked their optimizer did beat Watcom hands down...
Apart from that, the architecture is probably quite different, so you can't just rip the code. (No, there is no equivalent to.MP3 in the coding world...). And the ideas behind the optimizations are probably available as a research paper for years now.
g77 is missing a lot of features (like pointers)
I must be living in a different reality - since when has F77 pointers?
Ah well - it's still a nice move. It just won't have that big an impact. Now if they'll OS DOS4GW also....
Don't apply paragraphs when they look good on your screen. (Or you think they look got on mine).
Apply structural markup instead of trying to pretty print and leave the formatting to the browser on the other side. That's why./ offers HTML posting, after all....
I'm afraid you're missing the point - I didn't say to take away choices. After all, if I want to, I can download whatever I need/want or buy one of the distros that comes with 75 CD's with all the linux mirrors on it.
What I'm saying is: Offer me the choice of not having to choose
And I'm not talking about myself here - I'm talking about the average user. Having a wildly configurable system is great for the power user - Joe average is getting confused instead.
And even as a power user I don't necessarily want to diddle with all the options. I am perfectly capable of tuning Linux and or NT to do what I want - yet I defer this stuff to our sysadmins when at work. (Great guys, BTW. Hey Brian&Edward!:-)
When at home, I usually run Windows. Not because it's superior - because it works out of the Box. Under Linux, I always spend quite some time to get stuff working. Latest example for me: DSL. 5 Minutes, and it worked under Windows. And then came the fun of getting PPPoE to work under Linux...
The point is the human brain can handle a certain amount of complexity - and not everybody likes spending part of that on configuring a tool. If you do, your tool is way better than out-of-the-box, true.
But most people can live with the $1.95 hammer from Home Depot. Only people who spend significant time with it need a better one. And even those people mostly buy a hammer - they don't build one.
familiarity doesn't matter a toss. What matters is efficiency.
Familiarity is efficiency.
As an interesting thought - maybe this obsession with configurability is a cultural thing. After all, the USA are pretty much the only country where you have to answer 20 questions when you order a sub. (Or food in a restaurant, for that matter):-)
Define "GUI that doesn't suck"
A standardized one... (Ooops. Is that -1, flamebait?:-)
Honestly, having KDE and GNOME around is a wee bit painful.
And I truly do believe that the _massive_ offering of packages is shocking newcomers. I'm still waiting for one of the distros to get the idea and just shove down stuff the users throat instead of asking.
I know, freedom of choice, etc... But it's painful to choose. Heck, I'm using at least 4 editors because I can't decide. I like parts of each. It's worse for Joe Bloe, since he doesn't even know about those editors.
And the point is, he does not want to know. He wants a working system right away.
ObConspiracy:MS is using drug dealer techniques to get you all hooked. (Fist hit is free, second one costs a bit more...)
Hmmm... I wonder
Linux 0.02 fit on a disk - everybody could get it for free.
Nowadays, you need at least one CD and probably buy it...
With DVD, the chances for copying are slim to none... The plot thickens
JDK 1.1 - don't ask, and you won't hear the horror:-)
It's leaking DB cursors. The following
void f(Statement stmt)
{
ResultSet stmt=stmt.executeQuery("SomeQuery");
while(rs.next()){
//... blahh
}
}
leaks a cursor every time you call it. You have to insert close() statements manually. Sigh!
And this really does annoy me - Javas GC has been touted as the 'end all leaks' solution - and then the frigging language allows leaks in other places.
Oh well - maybe I can gain something by overloading the class loader. Anybody got any experience with that?
Well, it can certainly do for some applications. What annoys me greatly, thoug, is that there is a huge possibility for resource leaks.
And it's not really pretty to track them down.
Now, before you get out the 'no experience' club, I am working on some real world Java right now.
And it _is_ leaking all over the place. The frigging JVM does not release resources even though the owner goes out of scope. Yes, I know, that's what GC is for. But it could take a hint from the scoping.....
Apart from that, Java is a great tool if you apply it to the right problem. But the "Java is the savior' attitude that permeates the industry is about as bad as the 'Java sucks' posts here...
Hmmm.... Interesting to see what you deem not being wasteful
A better video Editor for Linux. How many people do really care for that? Not too many, obviously - otherwise some company would be going for that market. Or somebody would write it. Might it be you need one and you don't want to pay for it?
Sega CD Emulator Now THAT's a worthy thing to do. WE NEED IT NOW! </SARCASM>
Seti@HOME/RSA cracks Yep. Right. We don't want to think. We just want to run software. And don't forget all those cool screen savers that could be running on your machine, instead of a stupid editor.!
I almost agree with you that talented people should be using that talent in a responsible manner... let me just rephrase it a bit.
They should not use it in an irresponsible manner. That's a bit different, isn't it? And people can now (GASP!) choose on their own what they want to do - without needing your guidance. (Thank you for trying, though)
Apart from that - if you'd be following open source discussions at all, you should've seen the explanation what makes open source happening about a million times. I refuse to repeat it - go look for 'an itch to scratch' on your favorite search engine.
And if you want people to act responsible with their talents - give an example! Don't waste your time on/.
AAAH!
Why is everybody so obsessed with living in cubicleville? One of the most important things I need in my workspace is a door I can CLOSE.
Then I can switch on/off the light all I want, change the environment to be the way I like it.
Plus, I don't need to fight for meeting rooms when I want to gather a few people for a quick discussion.
Sharing some time with your coworkers is great - having to endure them all the time is madness....
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Well, you could always argue that the demise of UUNET started with the cross posts from fidonet....
First of all, the second law of thermodynamics does not tell us what the right thing to do is. It's not that kind of law, it's a physical law - which means things it prevents are impossible to do.
Second, if the 2nd law had any effect on this at all, it would encourage us. After all, we're extending the gene pool again - increasing entropy. Which is exactly what the 2nd law demands - but never mind the fact.
Times have changed, and there isn't a place for the tiger in modern Australia - shown by the fact that it was a dangerous menace which was hunted in the first place.
Times have changed, and there isn't a place for indians in modern America - shown by the fact that it was a dangerous menace which was hunted in the first place????
Am I only hearing things, or is this the direct logical conclusion? Once we made a mistake, it's fine? Never mind correcting it?
Like it or not, life follows a plan, and once something has happened we need to deal with it and move on.
Life does not follow a plan at all. If you just believe in science - there's no plan behind evolution, it's just survival of the fittest.
If you're Christian (or Buddhist): We have been given choice - it is up to us what we do. We will be judged by our deeds, but there is no predetermined goal.
If you happen to be a muslim and believe in fate - don't even bother. If God planned for it to happen, it will. If not, it won't.
What the heck are you guys smoking? I'm not an M$ advocate, but last time I checked their optimizer did beat Watcom hands down...
Apart from that, the architecture is probably quite different, so you can't just rip the code. (No, there is no equivalent to
g77 is missing a lot of features (like pointers)
I must be living in a different reality - since when has F77 pointers?
Ah well - it's still a nice move. It just won't have that big an impact. Now if they'll OS DOS4GW also....
Apply structural markup instead of trying to pretty print and leave the formatting to the browser on the other side. That's why ./ offers HTML posting, after all....
What I'm saying is: Offer me the choice of not having to choose
And I'm not talking about myself here - I'm talking about the average user. Having a wildly configurable system is great for the power user - Joe average is getting confused instead.
And even as a power user I don't necessarily want to diddle with all the options. I am perfectly capable of tuning Linux and or NT to do what I want - yet I defer this stuff to our sysadmins when at work. :-)
(Great guys, BTW. Hey Brian&Edward!
When at home, I usually run Windows. Not because it's superior - because it works out of the Box. Under Linux, I always spend quite some time to get stuff working. Latest example for me: DSL. 5 Minutes, and it worked under Windows. And then came the fun of getting PPPoE to work under Linux...
The point is the human brain can handle a certain amount of complexity - and not everybody likes spending part of that on configuring a tool. If you do, your tool is way better than out-of-the-box, true.
But most people can live with the $1.95 hammer from Home Depot. Only people who spend significant time with it need a better one. And even those people mostly buy a hammer - they don't build one.
familiarity doesn't matter a toss. What matters is efficiency.
Familiarity is efficiency.
As an interesting thought - maybe this obsession with configurability is a cultural thing. After all, the USA are pretty much the only country where you have to answer 20 questions when you order a sub. (Or food in a restaurant, for that matter):-)
A standardized one... (Ooops. Is that -1, flamebait?
Honestly, having KDE and GNOME around is a wee bit painful. And I truly do believe that the _massive_ offering of packages is shocking newcomers. I'm still waiting for one of the distros to get the idea and just shove down stuff the users throat instead of asking.
I know, freedom of choice, etc... But it's painful to choose. Heck, I'm using at least 4 editors because I can't decide. I like parts of each. It's worse for Joe Bloe, since he doesn't even know about those editors.
And the point is, he does not want to know. He wants a working system right away.
ObConspiracy:MS is using drug dealer techniques to get you all hooked. (Fist hit is free, second one costs a bit more...)
Hmmm... I wonder
Linux 0.02 fit on a disk - everybody could get it for free.
Nowadays, you need at least one CD and probably buy it...
With DVD, the chances for copying are slim to none...
The plot thickens
Just my $1E-02
Thanks!
:-)
:-}
I don't believe it - actual useful information on Slashdot
I'd love to run to 1.3, but we're using 1.1 in production right now - that means a complete new test cycle.
I guess I'll wait for the next release
JDK 1.1 - don't ask, and you won't hear the horror :-)
// ... blahh
It's leaking DB cursors. The following
void f(Statement stmt)
{
ResultSet stmt=stmt.executeQuery("SomeQuery");
while(rs.next()){
}
}
leaks a cursor every time you call it. You have to insert close() statements manually. Sigh!
And this really does annoy me - Javas GC has been touted as the 'end all leaks' solution - and then the frigging language allows leaks in other places.
Oh well - maybe I can gain something by overloading the class loader. Anybody got any experience with that?
Now, before you get out the 'no experience' club, I am working on some real world Java right now.
And it _is_ leaking all over the place. The frigging JVM does not release resources even though the owner goes out of scope. Yes, I know, that's what GC is for. But it could take a hint from the scoping.....
Apart from that, Java is a great tool if you apply it to the right problem. But the "Java is the savior' attitude that permeates the industry is about as bad as the 'Java sucks' posts here...
A better video Editor for Linux.
How many people do really care for that? Not too many, obviously - otherwise some company would be going for that market. Or somebody would write it. Might it be you need one and you don't want to pay for it?
Sega CD Emulator
Now THAT's a worthy thing to do. WE NEED IT NOW! </SARCASM>
Seti@HOME/RSA cracks
Yep. Right. We don't want to think. We just want to run software. And don't forget all those cool screen savers that could be running on your machine, instead of a stupid editor.!
I almost agree with you that talented people should be using that talent in a responsible manner... let me just rephrase it a bit. They should not use it in an irresponsible manner. That's a bit different, isn't it? And people can now (GASP!) choose on their own what they want to do - without needing your guidance. (Thank you for trying, though)
Apart from that - if you'd be following open source discussions at all, you should've seen the explanation what makes open source happening about a million times. I refuse to repeat it - go look for 'an itch to scratch' on your favorite search engine.
And if you want people to act responsible with their talents - give an example! Don't waste your time on /.
AAAH! Why is everybody so obsessed with living in cubicleville? One of the most important things I need in my workspace is a door I can CLOSE. Then I can switch on/off the light all I want, change the environment to be the way I like it. Plus, I don't need to fight for meeting rooms when I want to gather a few people for a quick discussion. Sharing some time with your coworkers is great - having to endure them all the time is madness....