IBM Hardware: It might not be the fastest, quietest, smallest, best looking...
Best looking? I don't know, take a look at that cool beast on the S/390 homepage. Or maybe the obviously even cooler pic on the S/390 Linux side. BTW, there you can download your free copy of S/390 Linux, at least.
Man, it's so good to read something nice about my home planet.
It was maybe more that Unix ran on pretty hefty sized boxes as a multi-user system, and DOS was written to run on early PCs. No doubt our original poster quickly rewrote Unix to run on an XT.
Oh, that's a known bug in SQL 7. No there's no upgrade patch available...
God, how I wish I was one of these guys with the time and brilliance to sit down with the source for a major SQL server program and remove all the bugs.
It was interesting to read this article. When my company started doing web development, the first thing that struck me was all those print statements to output HTML. (This was MS ASP, but bear with me). Pretty obviously this was not the way to go. It surprises me that Sun didn't look a little further ahead when making their imitation of MS' ASP + COM components. We could have got a new integrated architecture designed for web page generation.
Just as the article dicusses re. JSP and JavaBeans, MS developers had long since started using COM components (written mostly in C++ or VB) with the ASP pages becoming just a simple interface to the browser. However, this still didn't solve the basic problem of integrating HTML with code.
Our solution was to write a simple template function, using VB COM components. This enabled embedded variable tags in the HTML, which was stored as normal txt files in the server directory. The variables could be set by the various presentation/business logic components, and expanded by a standard routine, or replaced dynamically by raising "missing variable" events. The whole bit of code took about two days to develop, and saved vast quantities of developer time.
We still use it, although it is now a complete architecture for invoking response objects through standard interfaces, which took a little more work, though not much, and see no particular need for professional packages which are finally appearing to solve the obvious problems with the whole JSP approach
No idea, why not take a look? Ah, but then you know it's all crap already. Silly me.
Most software developed by IBM is crap, and I wouldn't trust my business with using it.
Most large corporations the World over rely on it for their most critical business. But of course, you know better.
By the way, I'm a former IBMer, and I know how they make their sausage.
Ah, maybe that explains things. Disgruntled ex-employee?
BTW, pity the amount of/. offering no more than these dismissals of other peoples' work without any supporting arguments. How about a few genuine technical arguments to back up your points of view, all you suchlike guys (m&f). (Sigh). There's no real point in replying to these kind of postings, I suppose.
If they gave a few S/390 boxes away to developers to use...
OK, so they don't give them away, but by joining the IBM Partners In Development program, you can get an S/390 box cheaply. We bought a P/390 (a PC Server with an extra chip and memory to provide the ESA hardware support) for around $20,000 about three years ago. This included the entire OS/390 OS, support and additional products (e.g., IMS, CICS, DB2...) for nothing, other than a requirement to develop S/390 products, which is my company's business. As a small company, we'd never have been able to afford just the software, even less a normal ESA/390 machine.
Is this an informed opinion, I ask myself....Why not check up on Java and XML at IBM (for XML, for Java). I got 400 Java hits searching just the IBM developer site.
In space no one can hear you scream - mostly cos you're wearing a helmet, and forgot in your terror to put the mike on. However, near a black hole it gets sucked away faster than the speed of sound, so no chance. Actually, people already in the hole can hear you, you just can't hear them. (They're screaming louder than you actually, as their bodies are pulled out into a thin scream of sub-atomic particles. Sorry, stream).
<<How about OS390? I can run Java code there, why not C#. >>
Would be great (says OS/390 assembler guy). Let's have an IBM native implementation of (D)COM first tho'. I've written C++, VB, Java and lots of other stuff and C# looks like the first language I might really like to use.
IBM adopted Java (a Sun proprietary technology) as a strategic direction, and despite many opinions to the contrary they do a great deal of development for the Windows platforms and co-operation with MS. (Who understands monopolists better than IBM, ha ha). Maybe this could come true...
>>So you are telling me that propaganda doesn't fuel pro-Microsoft sites or any other sites?
Heavens, MS and propaganda?. MS people are calm logical thinkers who choose things on technical merit, completely untouched by emotional issues or political or religious conviction. Surely everyone knows that...
>>I beleive that the only features that have really been of any use are as follows:...<<
Well, chacun a son thingy. How about file attachments (I'm always sending and receiving software as attachments). How about distribution lists? How about sorting, searching and archiving? And while maybe not essential, how about HTML emails and HTML editors (nice for Birthday greetings and suchlike)?
Hate to dispute with the moderators (whoever they might be), but what is informative about this? A three? Two opinions, one wrong (we have PII/1000s here in Europe, and not just from Dell) and the other just a typical/. anti-wintel comment<s>. Maybe there's "no point" in a 1G+ processor - OTOH we got here by steps. Anyone still want to be using a 486?
>>It makes me wonder why anyone would ever voluntarily switch to using an MS programming tool like C#. Maybe I'm wrong here, but didn't a company (Sun?) introduce a new proprietary language not so long ago...named after coffee beans or something? AFAIK lot's of people started using it, even though it's still more or less proprietary. Strange world we live in.
>>use browsers which adhere to WC3 standards I keep reading stuff like this. Nobody has yet told me which browser(s) that might be... >>or whatever other standards the unix community adopts. Oh, so _which_ standards aren't even clear yet.
Funny, I'm using it to view this without any problem. In fact, it's worked wonderfully since I installed it. Print preview is great. Is this really IE5.5 you're talking about???
>>only 24% Is that 100-86? Anyway, it'd only be true if that 24% (or whatever) supported the standards. NS is lousy compared to IE, at least in this respect. Well, maybe in any respect...
>>Pretty good plan... Once they manage to make it impossible to, say, do your banking, check the weather, download your tax forms, buy movie tickets, etc, with anything but IE... Won't work with me. I goto the bank, look out of the window, call my tax accountant, goto the cinema...am I out of touch somewhere?
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IBM Hardware: It might not be the fastest, quietest, smallest, best looking...
Best looking? I don't know, take a look at that cool beast on the S/390 homepage. Or maybe the obviously even cooler pic on the S/390 Linux side. BTW, there you can download your free copy of S/390 Linux, at least.
Man, it's so good to read something nice about my home planet.
the table of contents is in German?
I guess the Tag in LinuxTag had nothing to do with X or HT ML. Probably the German for day...<s>
Quite often newer things are better.
It was maybe more that Unix ran on pretty hefty sized boxes as a multi-user system, and DOS was written to run on early PCs. No doubt our original poster quickly rewrote Unix to run on an XT.
Oh, that's a known bug in SQL 7. No there's no upgrade patch available...
God, how I wish I was one of these guys with the time and brilliance to sit down with the source for a major SQL server program and remove all the bugs.
>>Check out this article...
It was interesting to read this article. When my company started doing web development, the first thing that struck me was all those print statements to output HTML. (This was MS ASP, but bear with me). Pretty obviously this was not the way to go. It surprises me that Sun didn't look a little further ahead when making their imitation of MS' ASP + COM components. We could have got a new integrated architecture designed for web page generation.
Just as the article dicusses re. JSP and JavaBeans, MS developers had long since started using COM components (written mostly in C++ or VB) with the ASP pages becoming just a simple interface to the browser. However, this still didn't solve the basic problem of integrating HTML with code.
Our solution was to write a simple template function, using VB COM components. This enabled embedded variable tags in the HTML, which was stored as normal txt files in the server directory. The variables could be set by the various presentation/business logic components, and expanded by a standard routine, or replaced dynamically by raising "missing variable" events. The whole bit of code took about two days to develop, and saved vast quantities of developer time.
We still use it, although it is now a complete architecture for invoking response objects through standard interfaces, which took a little more work, though not much, and see no particular need for professional packages which are finally appearing to solve the obvious problems with the whole JSP approach
Yes, hits, but are they quality hits?
No idea, why not take a look? Ah, but then you know it's all crap already. Silly me.
Most software developed by IBM is crap, and I wouldn't trust my business with using it.
Most large corporations the World over rely on it for their most critical business. But of course, you know better.By the way, I'm a former IBMer, and I know how they make their sausage.
Ah, maybe that explains things. Disgruntled ex-employee?
BTW, pity the amount of /. offering no more than these dismissals of other peoples' work without any supporting arguments. How about a few genuine technical arguments to back up your points of view, all you suchlike guys (m&f). (Sigh). There's no real point in replying to these kind of postings, I suppose.
If they gave a few S/390 boxes away to developers to use...
OK, so they don't give them away, but by joining the IBM Partners In Development program, you can get an S/390 box cheaply. We bought a P/390 (a PC Server with an extra chip and memory to provide the ESA hardware support) for around $20,000 about three years ago. This included the entire OS/390 OS, support and additional products (e.g., IMS, CICS, DB2...) for nothing, other than a requirement to develop S/390 products, which is my company's business. As a small company, we'd never have been able to afford just the software, even less a normal ESA/390 machine.
IBM ...basically come up with a bunch of nothing
Is this an informed opinion, I ask myself....Why not check up on Java and XML at IBM (for XML, for Java). I got 400 Java hits searching just the IBM developer site.
In space no one can hear you scream - mostly cos you're wearing a helmet, and forgot in your terror to put the mike on. However, near a black hole it gets sucked away faster than the speed of sound, so no chance. Actually, people already in the hole can hear you, you just can't hear them. (They're screaming louder than you actually, as their bodies are pulled out into a thin scream of sub-atomic particles. Sorry, stream).
Another bit of redundant nonsense.
<<How about OS390? I can run Java code there, why not C#. >>
Would be great (says OS/390 assembler guy). Let's have an IBM native implementation of (D)COM first tho'. I've written C++, VB, Java and lots of other stuff and C# looks like the first language I might really like to use.
IBM adopted Java (a Sun proprietary technology) as a strategic direction, and despite many opinions to the contrary they do a great deal of development for the Windows platforms and co-operation with MS. (Who understands monopolists better than IBM, ha ha). Maybe this could come true...
>>So you are telling me that propaganda doesn't fuel pro-Microsoft sites or any other sites?
Heavens, MS and propaganda?. MS people are calm logical thinkers who choose things on technical merit, completely untouched by emotional issues or political or religious conviction. Surely everyone knows that...
>>I beleive that the only features that have really been of any use are as follows:...<<
Well, chacun a son thingy. How about file attachments (I'm always sending and receiving software as attachments). How about distribution lists? How about sorting, searching and archiving? And while maybe not essential, how about HTML emails and HTML editors (nice for Birthday greetings and suchlike)?
Hate to dispute with the moderators (whoever they might be), but what is informative about this? A three? Two opinions, one wrong (we have PII/1000s here in Europe, and not just from Dell) and the other just a typical /. anti-wintel comment<s>. Maybe there's "no point" in a 1G+ processor - OTOH we got here by steps. Anyone still want to be using a 486?
>>its true there's a possiblity of operator overloading in VB, but I doubt it
It's coming in the next version (VS7).
>>It makes me wonder why anyone would ever voluntarily switch to using an MS programming tool like C#. Maybe I'm wrong here, but didn't a company (Sun?) introduce a new proprietary language not so long ago...named after coffee beans or something? AFAIK lot's of people started using it, even though it's still more or less proprietary. Strange world we live in.
>>use browsers which adhere to WC3 standards I keep reading stuff like this. Nobody has yet told me which browser(s) that might be... >>or whatever other standards the unix community adopts. Oh, so _which_ standards aren't even clear yet.
Yeah, AOL and SUN, those renowned lovers of openness and standards.
Funny, I'm using it to view this without any problem. In fact, it's worked wonderfully since I installed it. Print preview is great. Is this really IE5.5 you're talking about???
>>only 24% Is that 100-86? Anyway, it'd only be true if that 24% (or whatever) supported the standards. NS is lousy compared to IE, at least in this respect. Well, maybe in any respect...
>>If enough people do this... They'll soon stop visiting those web sites...
>>Pretty good plan... Once they manage to make it impossible to, say, do your banking, check the weather, download your tax forms, buy movie tickets, etc, with anything but IE... Won't work with me. I goto the bank, look out of the window, call my tax accountant, goto the cinema...am I out of touch somewhere?
Who Netscape? AOL good, MSN bad...