Do you really believe Britain fought in WWII to protect the rights of minorities??? They fought to protect the superior British way of life and their assets in the various countries around the world which they had conquered.
OK, if you really want to keep showing what a silly person you are...If you really didn't understand the conversation, too bad, maybe brush up your language skills with a few kiddy books. The user I was replying to certainly did understand.
BTW, I am interested in the basic issue and not in which American organisation has happened to bring a court case, though why I'm bothering to tell you the obvious again I really don't know. And for that matter, I know perfectly well what the RIAA is. Funny you fell for that.
None. All music is implicitly copyrighted. I think you mean to ask how much non-RIAA music is there out there that they want to listen to.
As was pretty obvious, we were talking about music which had been released for free distribution. I've no idea what RIAA is. I guess it's something American. Frankly, I don't care too much
No, Language Environment is just a common set of language support libs for various IBM language products.
Windows DCOM is an implementation, not an architecture
This is essentially true, however DCOM (without the "Windows") is an architecture, which has a number of specific implementations, including one for S/390 (from Software AG, I believe). MS themselves only support COM/DCOM on the Windows platforms, AFAIK.
PS, sorry for the tone of my previous comment, I was probably in a bad mood at the time<s>
What I (and any other individual) am not doing is creating an industry that facilitates illegal activity in order for me and my shareholders to get wealthy.
Name one, then abandon TCP and use it to do all the things you do on the internet
Are you trying to make some kind of point here? I simply said that TCP was not essential for a DOS attack, not that you could do everything on the Internet without it.
Don't get me wrong, I like MP3s and I have downloaded quite a bit, but that isn't the issue. I don't profit, nor do I attempt to profit (in monetary terms, anyway) from my pirating of music.
Forgive me for asking, but does this mean you'd have got it for free somewhere else, or that you just wouldn't have got it? Even then, aren't you profiting from getting your pleasure without paying for it? You find Napster odious, but you use it (or similar) anyway?
Why then do you bring in a strawman of a fictional tax subsidy for creative people?
This is not fictional - it already exists. In Germany at least, tax is levied on empty cassettes and fed back to the royalty organisations. In Great Britain the BBC is supported by licences and not advertising. At least it was when I lived there years ago.
How do you suggest artists earn a living? Should they all work for corporations too? BTW, as the article mentions, many scientists are (obviously) supported by taxes at universities.
they would become instantly useless if he made his writing free..
Well, at the least he does his writing for free, as is made clear in this final section. I think he answers the question quite well. Book publishing can't be done without finances. He himself points out that alternative systems of gratification would be necessary after the abolishment of IPs. Since we aren't there yet, and no such systems really exist, the practicalities can't be completely ignored. People have to live, and expensive creative works would scarcely exist if they all had to be financed privately. Whether we really need Star Wars for example could be endlessly discussed. OTOH, plenty of people enjoyed watching it.
IP spoofing does NOT work for TCP connections, because data has to be sent both ways to use TCP, and people can't send you data without knowing your IP address
People making a DOS attack generally don't want anything to be sent back! Anyway, TCP is not necessary. There's other IP protocols.
Maybe the idea of calculus was crossing the planet at that time...
Yes, but where did it come from? Or are all the thoughts already out there from the beginning of creation? Were they all compressed into nanospace just after the Big Bang? Sad idea just passed through here: Maybe there's whole waves of great thoughts that will never reach us. The mind boggles! Sorry, the mind picks up boggling thoughts that were just passing by. Great timing...
Every mettalica song uses the same damned chords..
Maybe, but Beethoven probably used something different. Even if someone is being less creative (and I actually disagree that using the same chords implies there's nothing new there) it seems questionable to apply this to music generally.
I'll go back to the top on this one. While everyone is expressing their personal opinions on what "the Law" might be, re. copying music etc., it might be worth pointing out that laws are different in different countries in any case. In Germany for example (where I live) there is no question that you are allowed to make "a reasonable number" (typical legal opinion puts this at around 8) of copies of music you own, for distribution among friends and family, or for your personal use. Taxes are raised on sales of sound cassettes, for example, to reimburse the copyright holders to some degree.
Although there are numerous gray areas within even this legislation, making your music collection available online for others to copy, via Napster or whatever other means is definitely not covered by it. This is a different issue in any case. Since several people have mentioned "personal responsibilty", where does it actually reside? If Napster (for example) is not responsible for providing the contact, the people who put collections online are also not responsible that someone then makes a copy of it. That's the responsibility of the guy making the download, right? And they're not responsible either, since they didn't make the original (illegal?) copy. Hm. I just put my stuff online so I can access it myself wherever I happen to be in the world. I used Napster since it's a neat bit of software. And I never ever access all that other stuff. Believe me, guys.
CIS was always underpowered and overcharged (esp. in Europe). I jumped when they started playing games with email interconnect with various ISPs they didn't like.
Well, there's always going to be someone dissatisfied. I paid 16DM, about 5 Pounds nowadays, if you're British a month. Didn't seem so terrible to me. CIS was the place to go for technical info in easily accessible format as far as I was concerned, and the place to pass on my experience to others. It was one of the originators and leaders in this whole business. And even you might be prepared to agree that AOL's treatment of CIS users was crass in the extreme, if you were still around to experience it. I never had any problem with emails, btw
they deserve to be as big as they are for helping the masses
Tell that to the (ex-)Compuserve users. AOL took over a great service, removed all the interesting technical forums which made it what it was, and foisted their stupid mass oriented childishness on the few diehards remaining.
COM/DCOM is a platform dependent binary-level object broker architecture
Funny then that there's numerous non-Windows COM implementations, even one for IBM S/390 mainframes, which are about as architecturally different from Wintel as you can get. Your recomendations would be of more value if you knew what you were talking about.
but we might need a CORBA style of thing...
See what I mean? CORBA _kind_ of thing? Are you recomending some new non-compatible approach here?
Yesterday Ascii white was announced to be sold to the public...
Damn, I missed that, and I was thinking it was custom built for Lawrence Livermore or whomever. Just the thing for the new 3D space shootup I'm writing in Java. PS, how big are two basketball courts?
And what is a platform? A platform can be the hardware, the OS or the language, amongst no doubt further possibilities. (As a games producer once said to me, "We just use SGI as an enablement platform for our graphics tools". None of the three interested him as a user).
Java is a language, and it could be native compiled just like any other, and probably would be if everyone was not scared of being sued by Sun. JVM is neither original, nor unique, and has its own set of problems and advantages/disadvantages.
Of course, compiling is not the problem. The problem is the other "platform" specifics, such as OS APIs, graphics and other hardware interfaces, network protocols, component architectures and so on. This is the reason that the base "Java platform" is being continually extended with JavaBeans, Swing, RMI, JINI and all the endless rest of it which WORA exponents should supposedly all be using. OK if you like being locked into one company's proprietary way of doing things. And JNI: that says it all, really.
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Ever heard of WWII?
Do you really believe Britain fought in WWII to protect the rights of minorities??? They fought to protect the superior British way of life and their assets in the various countries around the world which they had conquered.
OK, if you really want to keep showing what a silly person you are...If you really didn't understand the conversation, too bad, maybe brush up your language skills with a few kiddy books. The user I was replying to certainly did understand.
BTW, I am interested in the basic issue and not in which American organisation has happened to bring a court case, though why I'm bothering to tell you the obvious again I really don't know. And for that matter, I know perfectly well what the RIAA is. Funny you fell for that.
None. All music is implicitly copyrighted. I think you mean to ask how much non-RIAA music is there out there that they want to listen to.
As was pretty obvious, we were talking about music which had been released for free distribution. I've no idea what RIAA is. I guess it's something American. Frankly, I don't care too much
You mean the LE/370 thing?
No, Language Environment is just a common set of language support libs for various IBM language products.
Windows DCOM is an implementation, not an architecture
This is essentially true, however DCOM (without the "Windows") is an architecture, which has a number of specific implementations, including one for S/390 (from Software AG, I believe). MS themselves only support COM/DCOM on the Windows platforms, AFAIK.PS, sorry for the tone of my previous comment, I was probably in a bad mood at the time<s>
What I (and any other individual) am not doing is creating an industry that facilitates illegal activity in order for me and my shareholders to get wealthy.
No, just supporting it.
Wonderful, finally a simple straightforward opinion that gets to the central point.
Name one, then abandon TCP and use it to do all the things you do on the internet
Are you trying to make some kind of point here? I simply said that TCP was not essential for a DOS attack, not that you could do everything on the Internet without it.
Well, quite a bit actually
OK, I'll excuse you as an exception<s>
(Fantastic response time, /. goes real-time?)
Don't get me wrong, I like MP3s and I have downloaded quite a bit, but that isn't the issue. I don't profit, nor do I attempt to profit (in monetary terms, anyway) from my pirating of music.
Forgive me for asking, but does this mean you'd have got it for free somewhere else, or that you just wouldn't have got it? Even then, aren't you profiting from getting your pleasure without paying for it? You find Napster odious, but you use it (or similar) anyway?
Nevermind the fact that it can be used to trade non-copyrighted music, too.
Oh come off it, how much non-copyrighted music is there out there that you really want to listen to?
And does Napster have any purpose other than this kind of "sharing".
Why then do you bring in a strawman of a fictional tax subsidy for creative people?
This is not fictional - it already exists. In Germany at least, tax is levied on empty cassettes and fed back to the royalty organisations. In Great Britain the BBC is supported by licences and not advertising. At least it was when I lived there years ago.
How do you suggest artists earn a living? Should they all work for corporations too? BTW, as the article mentions, many scientists are (obviously) supported by taxes at universities.
they would become instantly useless if he made his writing free..
Well, at the least he does his writing for free, as is made clear in this final section. I think he answers the question quite well. Book publishing can't be done without finances. He himself points out that alternative systems of gratification would be necessary after the abolishment of IPs. Since we aren't there yet, and no such systems really exist, the practicalities can't be completely ignored. People have to live, and expensive creative works would scarcely exist if they all had to be financed privately. Whether we really need Star Wars for example could be endlessly discussed. OTOH, plenty of people enjoyed watching it.
IP spoofing does NOT work for TCP connections, because data has to be sent both ways to use TCP, and people can't send you data without knowing your IP address
People making a DOS attack generally don't want anything to be sent back! Anyway, TCP is not necessary. There's other IP protocols.
Maybe the idea of calculus was crossing the planet at that time ...
Yes, but where did it come from? Or are all the thoughts already out there from the beginning of creation? Were they all compressed into nanospace just after the Big Bang? Sad idea just passed through here: Maybe there's whole waves of great thoughts that will never reach us. The mind boggles! Sorry, the mind picks up boggling thoughts that were just passing by. Great timing...
Every mettalica song uses the same damned chords..
Maybe, but Beethoven probably used something different. Even if someone is being less creative (and I actually disagree that using the same chords implies there's nothing new there) it seems questionable to apply this to music generally.
I'll go back to the top on this one. While everyone is expressing their personal opinions on what "the Law" might be, re. copying music etc., it might be worth pointing out that laws are different in different countries in any case. In Germany for example (where I live) there is no question that you are allowed to make "a reasonable number" (typical legal opinion puts this at around 8) of copies of music you own, for distribution among friends and family, or for your personal use. Taxes are raised on sales of sound cassettes, for example, to reimburse the copyright holders to some degree.
Although there are numerous gray areas within even this legislation, making your music collection available online for others to copy, via Napster or whatever other means is definitely not covered by it. This is a different issue in any case. Since several people have mentioned "personal responsibilty", where does it actually reside? If Napster (for example) is not responsible for providing the contact, the people who put collections online are also not responsible that someone then makes a copy of it. That's the responsibility of the guy making the download, right? And they're not responsible either, since they didn't make the original (illegal?) copy. Hm. I just put my stuff online so I can access it myself wherever I happen to be in the world. I used Napster since it's a neat bit of software. And I never ever access all that other stuff. Believe me, guys.
CIS was always underpowered and overcharged (esp. in Europe). I jumped when they started playing games with email interconnect with various ISPs they didn't like.
Well, there's always going to be someone dissatisfied. I paid 16DM, about 5 Pounds nowadays, if you're British a month. Didn't seem so terrible to me. CIS was the place to go for technical info in easily accessible format as far as I was concerned, and the place to pass on my experience to others. It was one of the originators and leaders in this whole business. And even you might be prepared to agree that AOL's treatment of CIS users was crass in the extreme, if you were still around to experience it. I never had any problem with emails, btw
According to Forbes Stephen King made $63,000,000 last year. I mean, how much more money does he actually need?
Well, that's about what BG makes each minute, isn't it? He's still got a long way to go to be rich.
Why is AOL picking and choosing who it lets into its system?
It's not just AOL. You might have noticed a certain bias against MS here too. I've often wondered why...
they deserve to be as big as they are for helping the masses
Tell that to the (ex-)Compuserve users. AOL took over a great service, removed all the interesting technical forums which made it what it was, and foisted their stupid mass oriented childishness on the few diehards remaining.
If they needed two, they'd merge the databases
Shouldn't that be "If they needed one"?<s>
we'll see our first story about Micorsoft ...
And readers might be interested to visit the Micorsoft web site. (Really, try it!)
COM/DCOM is a platform dependent binary-level object broker architecture
Funny then that there's numerous non-Windows COM implementations, even one for IBM S/390 mainframes, which are about as architecturally different from Wintel as you can get. Your recomendations would be of more value if you knew what you were talking about.
but we might need a CORBA style of thing...
See what I mean? CORBA _kind_ of thing? Are you recomending some new non-compatible approach here?
Yesterday Ascii white was announced to be sold to the public...
Damn, I missed that, and I was thinking it was custom built for Lawrence Livermore or whomever. Just the thing for the new 3D space shootup I'm writing in Java. PS, how big are two basketball courts?
Java isn't cross platform. Java is a platform.
And what is a platform? A platform can be the hardware, the OS or the language, amongst no doubt further possibilities. (As a games producer once said to me, "We just use SGI as an enablement platform for our graphics tools". None of the three interested him as a user).Java is a language, and it could be native compiled just like any other, and probably would be if everyone was not scared of being sued by Sun. JVM is neither original, nor unique, and has its own set of problems and advantages/disadvantages.
Of course, compiling is not the problem. The problem is the other "platform" specifics, such as OS APIs, graphics and other hardware interfaces, network protocols, component architectures and so on. This is the reason that the base "Java platform" is being continually extended with JavaBeans, Swing, RMI, JINI and all the endless rest of it which WORA exponents should supposedly all be using. OK if you like being locked into one company's proprietary way of doing things. And JNI: that says it all, really.