Why on earth is that post showing up as "flamebait"??? I see only three moderation points for "flamebait", over 100 for "offtopic", 64 for "insightfull", 20 for "informative"... what's going on here?
While we're pointing out the obvious, there isn't nearly enough new 'fossil fuel' being created to meet the demand. So yes, fossil fuels are a renewable resource... but then so are diamonds, what's your point?
Damn right, drones my ass. Afghan warlords are providing the ground troops for this war. Presumably they are taking casualties aswell, of course we don't get to hear about it.
This is not the USA vs the Taliban. This is a loose alliance of warlords vs the Taliban, followed recently by the addition of massive air power from the USA/UK.
I thought Katz was supposed to be so 'anti-establishment' and all that, but he seems to have totally swallowed the media pap about this war.
'Drone war', come on. This is a 'proxy war'. Although I suppose alot of people don't actually consider those dirty foreigners to be actual humans.
hmmm, enough speculation, let's do some real-world tests...
King Fahad bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud is a stinky fat old man who likes to molest little boys.
George W. Bush is a homosexual rapist who wears women's underwear. (I say homosexual because I figure GW is probably a homophobe, not 'cause I consider it an insult generally)
President Chirac is a murderer! he killed my entire family!
ok, I'm gonna go hide for awhile now while we wait to see the results...
That's why we they should be using fiber. Fiber is very nicely scaleable, start with 10mbit because it's cheap then you can scale to 10gigabit by just changing the routers on either end of you cables. (and of course 10gigabit/s isn't the ultimate maximum, Nortel/JDS Uniphase and all those guys are upping the max all the time.)
Here in Ottawa the need to provide affordable service to poor and rural areas is very much taken into consideration. Just like when Bell Canada deployed the national phone system; whoever gets contracted to build our fiber lines will be required to build-out to Everyone, not just the profitable areas.
check out www.smartcapital.ca for info on Ottawa's plans. I also hear that Toronto is considering something similar.
Imagine there were a municipal dark fiber network that every house and office building were connected to just like they are connected to the sewers and power grid! The home/business owner could then at their convenience connect a fiber optic router/hub and connect to whomever they like within the city/country! For instance, you could connect your fiber channel to one of the 2-5 ISPs in the city and pay for a gateway to the Internet, (probably capped to some reasonable bandwidth) or you could connect directly to your buddy's house or your other branch office at full speed!
You would be able to use 1 fiber strand, or 1 optical "channel", you could use the cheapest 10mbit fiber router or pay the big bucks for gigabit hardware! Or you could use several channels to connect to several different places at once, one 10mbit link to your ISP, one 1000mbit link to your branch office, and another 10mbit link to your home office!
it's a freaking GREAT idea!
I just wish it'd arrive sooner here in Ottawa!
I'm tired of "broad"-band, I want ethernet speeds to as much of the world as possible.
ISP owned last-leg network access is part of the problem... if you can seperate Internet access from the wiring to the home you might be able to create REAL competition...
There are some interesting things happening in the area of community networking. Could you imagine a municipal dark fiber network maintained like the roads and sewers? home and business users alike could pay to get connected to the network at 10-100Mbit/s (fiber lit from the home!) Then any ISP that connects to the network could offer Internet access on whatever terms they like, but the last-leg wouldn't be owned/operated by the ISP! Wanna change ISPs? just change your default route.
One very interesting side effect would be that users could be connected to each other like a giant ethernet! (without traversing "the Internet" with the associated costs) We could all have super-cheap 100mbit ethernet to sites on the municipal network. (drool...the games!)
No stupid corporate access policy for the basic network, just for the Internet access you may buy...
check out www.smartcapital.ca for interesting stuff happening in Ottawa!
It could be like electricity, new homes have to have lines connecting them to the municpal grid. Then it's up to the resident to choose a power provider and pay for electricity... new homes come with fiber from the curb to the demark, then it's up to the resident to decide whether to lease a fiber channel (or 50) and (optionally) buy Internet access from an ISP.
bear in mind that the current cost of a fiber network connection has more to do with what the ISPs think they can get from you because they think only "special needs" people actually need that much bandwidth. The actual cost of deploying a fiber network is much lower that you might think!
good grief. This guy is a dumbass, I wouldn't hire him as a security advisor. All his answers sucked, he gave CEO answers, not security advisor answers.
" I don't get all the objections to the FBI spyware thingy."
I would guess that you are an american right? that's fine, but what about all us foreigners? You think the FBI/CIA give a rats ass about my rights? hell no. You think the CIA would pass-up the chance to use magic lantern for foreign spying?
Once there's a trojan that isn't detected by virus scanners you can bet it'll be put to use, and there are no US laws to stop the fbi/cia installing this keylogger on systems all over the world and doing whatever the hell they want with the info they steal.
Have you ever heard of Echelon? it's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. I don't see how they could pass up using magic lantern for the same sort of things.
The only way I could imagine the AV software would be able to skip the FBI version and still catch 'un-authorized' installs would be if the trojan were cryptographically signed... it would have to sign the whole thing, including the destination for the transmitted keylogs.
if they hard-code an IP to deliver keylogs to they would be open to DDOS attacks.
if they use a domain name then virus writers could just use an unmodified FBI trojan and also send a hosts file to the victim that maps the keylogs.fbi.gov site to their own system. (or subvert DNS some other way, god knows that's easy enough to do)
So how exactly could AV software allow legit FBI trojans but not others??? It's definitely non-trivial, and we won't get to peer-review their implementation.
hmmm, maybe if the trojan encrypts all the keylogs for the FBI using a public key...and the trojan itself is signed...
hmmm, anti-virus updates might now include pro-virus updates?
Ok, correct me if i'm wrong here... I live in Canada, if I buy software that claims to detect viruses and trojans but in fact it deliberately allows trojans from a foreign nation's secret service is that not some kind of fraud?
Seriously, would this even be legal outside the USA?
" oh, nevermind, I just checked the net and there aren't any organisations that support this "democracy" thing, I don't see how we could ever do it on our own, the police will just lock us up."
"There is, you just need to look a little deeper. It's called McCarthyism. And they did lock people up."
haha! i think you missed the point there... i wrote that paragraph "as a Soudi"... The point was that on THEIR Internet there aren't any pro-democracy sites because they've been blocked at the border! Creating a pro-democracy site in Saudi Arabia is seditious and you WILL be locked up for it. since they can't lock up us foreigners they have to censor our sites.
That's my point exactly! we enforce those rules locally, but let our corps sell to whoever they want internationally. Thank you for coming up with another very good example for me.
"What does Mr. Katz suggest be done? Shall we declare cultural war on these countries..."
hmmm, how about this... simply enforce our own rules on our own people+companies.
That's not so hard is it? We have companies that sell guns, but we have rules about how they are sold... you can't sell a gun to someone who tells you they want it so they can go kill somebody. Likewise, you can't sell a censorship system to the government if they say they're gonna install it at all the libraries to block the sites of all their political oponents.
The only difference is the victims in this case are Soudis not westerners (sorry for the generalization), but the perpetrators are still under our jurisdiction and it's our responisibility to make sure they don't hurt people anywhere, not just here.
"...but Im not going to let my competitor sell them my legitimate product because I disagree with how they use it..."
well, I think this is where we encounter the crux of the issue. Using software at the ISP to block any site that criticizes the Saudi dictators is illegal here. We have constitutions that protect our right to criticize our leaders, we think it's a fundamental right.
Is it then ok for people here to export such things to other places? our constitution doesn't have jurisdiction beyond our borders... does that make it ok? 'cause they're just foreigners?
We all decided that people have a set of basic human rights, we can enforce this in our own country. We can't enforce it for the whole world, but we DO have jurisdiction over our own people/corps. Why exactly should they be allowed to treat foreigners are less than human?
"...the business is merely respecting the governments attempts to "protect" (and yes I agree its not the best way to protect) their citizens from outside influences. But what China is doing is not really that much worse than what Australia has been doing in recent years."
protecting their citizens from outside influences??? you mean like dangerous ideas and stuff? things like... hey! i've got an idea! instead of being a nation of ignorant slaves let's overthrow our masters and then have a vote and elect someone to lead our country!
oh, nevermind, I just checked the net and there aren't any organisations that support this "democracy" thing, I don't see how we could ever do it on our own, the police will just lock us up.
Corporate Corporatists are our saviours! I think we should sell censorship, guns and torture devices to all countries that do not share our views on free speech and expression. We should supply the dictatorial gov't of Saudi Arabia and China.
Before we take on nations, we need to secure the profits being made off the repression of "those foreign people".
... i'm sorry, but after reading several posts today I feel it's necessary to point out that this post is sarcastic... (there seems to be lot's of dullards out today)
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. First, the censorship is not limited to porn pup-up ads. Anything critical of the dictatorial rulers or their policies or agents is censored. Second, where did you get the idea that they would censor anything microsoft puts out? as for the "co CRAP!!" comment, gosh, where can I download that filter that identifies "crap"???
Finally, and most importantly, "..a bunch of people half a world away.."... what's your point here? those people are far away so they don't matter? You'd be well advised to take a hard look at your personal morality. Even if you really don't give a shit about those people 'cause they're far away or differently coloured or whatever, you should at least give some thought to the logic of the axiom "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Otherwise you may find one day that the Saudis are selling your government the tools to repress you!
-Deadplant
that just made me think of that great scene in the Holy Grail... "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
I think the point here is that censorship of criticism of the royal family is not a "cultural value" of the saudi people, it's a rule imposed by a dictatorship.
I don't think they actually meant "print". It's an automated translation of a brazilian document.
It actually says "...will be able to print how many electronic copies to want of the document."
'print electronic copies' probably just means copy.
Micheal mis-interpreted it, and you guys probably didn't actually read it did you?
> "How do you write women so well?" "First, I think of a man. Then I take away reason and accountability."- J. Nickolson
OT reply, you do realize this isn't a quote from JN, rather it's from a character he played... Just thought I'd mention it in case JN sees it and gets ticked off!
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How about just not doing anything you have to hide?
You make it sound like criminal behaviour is necessary and therefore a good scheme for destroying documents regularly is necessary...
Why on earth is that post showing up as "flamebait"??? I see only three moderation points for "flamebait", over 100 for "offtopic", 64 for "insightfull", 20 for "informative"... what's going on here?
While we're pointing out the obvious, there isn't nearly enough new 'fossil fuel' being created to meet the demand. So yes, fossil fuels are a renewable resource... but then so are diamonds, what's your point?
Ok, the results are in... (slashdot moderation results that is)
No lawsuits, people just laughed at me...
Damn right, drones my ass. Afghan warlords are providing the ground troops for this war. Presumably they are taking casualties aswell, of course we don't get to hear about it.
This is not the USA vs the Taliban. This is a loose alliance of warlords vs the Taliban, followed recently by the addition of massive air power from the USA/UK.
I thought Katz was supposed to be so 'anti-establishment' and all that, but he seems to have totally swallowed the media pap about this war.
'Drone war', come on. This is a 'proxy war'. Although I suppose alot of people don't actually consider those dirty foreigners to be actual humans.
hehe, so all you have to do is get the vast majority of people to engage in fraud and/or threats of violence and you get to do whatever you want!
I would suggest starting by fostering a climate of cut-throat competition and then trying to pursuade everyone they should be carrying guns...
hmmm, enough speculation, let's do some real-world tests...
King Fahad bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud is a stinky fat old man who likes to molest little boys.
George W. Bush is a homosexual rapist who wears women's underwear. (I say homosexual because I figure GW is probably a homophobe, not 'cause I consider it an insult generally)
President Chirac is a murderer! he killed my entire family!
ok, I'm gonna go hide for awhile now while we wait to see the results...
That's why we they should be using fiber. Fiber is very nicely scaleable, start with 10mbit because it's cheap then you can scale to 10gigabit by just changing the routers on either end of you cables. (and of course 10gigabit/s isn't the ultimate maximum, Nortel/JDS Uniphase and all those guys are upping the max all the time.)
Here in Ottawa the need to provide affordable service to poor and rural areas is very much taken into consideration. Just like when Bell Canada deployed the national phone system; whoever gets contracted to build our fiber lines will be required to build-out to Everyone, not just the profitable areas.
check out www.smartcapital.ca for info on Ottawa's plans. I also hear that Toronto is considering something similar.
Imagine there were a municipal dark fiber network that every house and office building were connected to just like they are connected to the sewers and power grid! The home/business owner could then at their convenience connect a fiber optic router/hub and connect to whomever they like within the city/country! For instance, you could connect your fiber channel to one of the 2-5 ISPs in the city and pay for a gateway to the Internet, (probably capped to some reasonable bandwidth) or you could connect directly to your buddy's house or your other branch office at full speed!
You would be able to use 1 fiber strand, or 1 optical "channel", you could use the cheapest 10mbit fiber router or pay the big bucks for gigabit hardware! Or you could use several channels to connect to several different places at once, one 10mbit link to your ISP, one 1000mbit link to your branch office, and another 10mbit link to your home office!
it's a freaking GREAT idea!
I just wish it'd arrive sooner here in Ottawa!
I'm tired of "broad"-band, I want ethernet speeds to as much of the world as possible.
how come when I hit refresh the title of this article toggles between
"Covad Set To Emerge From Bankrupcy"
and
"Covad Set To Emerge From Bankruptcy"
weird... some kind of load-balancing glitch maybe?
ISP owned last-leg network access is part of the problem... if you can seperate Internet access from the wiring to the home you might be able to create REAL competition...
There are some interesting things happening in the area of community networking. Could you imagine a municipal dark fiber network maintained like the roads and sewers? home and business users alike could pay to get connected to the network at 10-100Mbit/s (fiber lit from the home!) Then any ISP that connects to the network could offer Internet access on whatever terms they like, but the last-leg wouldn't be owned/operated by the ISP! Wanna change ISPs? just change your default route.
One very interesting side effect would be that users could be connected to each other like a giant ethernet! (without traversing "the Internet" with the associated costs) We could all have super-cheap 100mbit ethernet to sites on the municipal network. (drool...the games!)
No stupid corporate access policy for the basic network, just for the Internet access you may buy...
check out www.smartcapital.ca for interesting stuff happening in Ottawa!
It could be like electricity, new homes have to have lines connecting them to the municpal grid. Then it's up to the resident to choose a power provider and pay for electricity... new homes come with fiber from the curb to the demark, then it's up to the resident to decide whether to lease a fiber channel (or 50) and (optionally) buy Internet access from an ISP.
bear in mind that the current cost of a fiber network connection has more to do with what the ISPs think they can get from you because they think only "special needs" people actually need that much bandwidth. The actual cost of deploying a fiber network is much lower that you might think!
-Deadplant
good grief. This guy is a dumbass, I wouldn't hire him as a security advisor. All his answers sucked, he gave CEO answers, not security advisor answers.
" I don't get all the objections to the FBI spyware thingy."
I would guess that you are an american right? that's fine, but what about all us foreigners? You think the FBI/CIA give a rats ass about my rights? hell no. You think the CIA would pass-up the chance to use magic lantern for foreign spying?
Once there's a trojan that isn't detected by virus scanners you can bet it'll be put to use, and there are no US laws to stop the fbi/cia installing this keylogger on systems all over the world and doing whatever the hell they want with the info they steal.
Have you ever heard of Echelon? it's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. I don't see how they could pass up using magic lantern for the same sort of things.
So how would this work exactly?
The only way I could imagine the AV software would be able to skip the FBI version and still catch 'un-authorized' installs would be if the trojan were cryptographically signed... it would have to sign the whole thing, including the destination for the transmitted keylogs.
if they hard-code an IP to deliver keylogs to they would be open to DDOS attacks.
if they use a domain name then virus writers could just use an unmodified FBI trojan and also send a hosts file to the victim that maps the keylogs.fbi.gov site to their own system. (or subvert DNS some other way, god knows that's easy enough to do)
So how exactly could AV software allow legit FBI trojans but not others??? It's definitely non-trivial, and we won't get to peer-review their implementation.
hmmm, maybe if the trojan encrypts all the keylogs for the FBI using a public key...and the trojan itself is signed...
hmmm, anti-virus updates might now include pro-virus updates?
Ok, correct me if i'm wrong here... I live in Canada, if I buy software that claims to detect viruses and trojans but in fact it deliberately allows trojans from a foreign nation's secret service is that not some kind of fraud?
Seriously, would this even be legal outside the USA?
" oh, nevermind, I just checked the net and there aren't any organisations that support this "democracy" thing, I don't see how we could ever do it on our own, the police will just lock us up."
"There is, you just need to look a little deeper. It's called McCarthyism. And they did lock people up."
haha! i think you missed the point there... i wrote that paragraph "as a Soudi"... The point was that on THEIR Internet there aren't any pro-democracy sites because they've been blocked at the border! Creating a pro-democracy site in Saudi Arabia is seditious and you WILL be locked up for it. since they can't lock up us foreigners they have to censor our sites.
That's my point exactly! we enforce those rules locally, but let our corps sell to whoever they want internationally. Thank you for coming up with another very good example for me.
-Deadplant
"What does Mr. Katz suggest be done? Shall we declare cultural war on these countries..."
hmmm, how about this... simply enforce our own rules on our own people+companies.
That's not so hard is it? We have companies that sell guns, but we have rules about how they are sold... you can't sell a gun to someone who tells you they want it so they can go kill somebody. Likewise, you can't sell a censorship system to the government if they say they're gonna install it at all the libraries to block the sites of all their political oponents.
The only difference is the victims in this case are Soudis not westerners (sorry for the generalization), but the perpetrators are still under our jurisdiction and it's our responisibility to make sure they don't hurt people anywhere, not just here.
-Deadplant
"...but Im not going to let my competitor sell them my legitimate product because I disagree with how they use it..."
well, I think this is where we encounter the crux of the issue. Using software at the ISP to block any site that criticizes the Saudi dictators is illegal here. We have constitutions that protect our right to criticize our leaders, we think it's a fundamental right.
Is it then ok for people here to export such things to other places? our constitution doesn't have jurisdiction beyond our borders... does that make it ok? 'cause they're just foreigners?
We all decided that people have a set of basic human rights, we can enforce this in our own country. We can't enforce it for the whole world, but we DO have jurisdiction over our own people/corps. Why exactly should they be allowed to treat foreigners are less than human?
"...the business is merely respecting the governments attempts to "protect" (and yes I agree its not the best way to protect) their citizens from outside influences. But what China is doing is not really that much worse than what Australia has been doing in recent years."
protecting their citizens from outside influences??? you mean like dangerous ideas and stuff? things like... hey! i've got an idea! instead of being a nation of ignorant slaves let's overthrow our masters and then have a vote and elect someone to lead our country!
oh, nevermind, I just checked the net and there aren't any organisations that support this "democracy" thing, I don't see how we could ever do it on our own, the police will just lock us up.
John Katz is wrong!
Corporate Corporatists are our saviours! I think we should sell censorship, guns and torture devices to all countries that do not share our views on free speech and expression. We should supply the dictatorial gov't of Saudi Arabia and China.
Before we take on nations, we need to secure the profits being made off the repression of "those foreign people".
... i'm sorry, but after reading several posts today I feel it's necessary to point out that this post is sarcastic... (there seems to be lot's of dullards out today)
you're trolling right? who moded this guy up?
... what's your point here? those people are far away so they don't matter? You'd be well advised to take a hard look at your personal morality. Even if you really don't give a shit about those people 'cause they're far away or differently coloured or whatever, you should at least give some thought to the logic of the axiom "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Otherwise you may find one day that the Saudis are selling your government the tools to repress you!
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. First, the censorship is not limited to porn pup-up ads. Anything critical of the dictatorial rulers or their policies or agents is censored. Second, where did you get the idea that they would censor anything microsoft puts out? as for the "co CRAP!!" comment, gosh, where can I download that filter that identifies "crap"???
Finally, and most importantly, "..a bunch of people half a world away.."
-Deadplant
that just made me think of that great scene in the Holy Grail... "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
I think the point here is that censorship of criticism of the royal family is not a "cultural value" of the saudi people, it's a rule imposed by a dictatorship.
I don't think they actually meant "print". It's an automated translation of a brazilian document.
It actually says "...will be able to print how many electronic copies to want of the document."
'print electronic copies' probably just means copy.
Micheal mis-interpreted it, and you guys probably didn't actually read it did you?
> "How do you write women so well?" "First, I think of a man. Then I take away reason and accountability."- J. Nickolson
OT reply, you do realize this isn't a quote from JN, rather it's from a character he played... Just thought I'd mention it in case JN sees it and gets ticked off!