Re: Quicktime, Quicktime doesn't load any tray-icons, services, or other things at startup-login. Maybe you have Quicktime confused with iTunes? iTunes has an iPod helper, iTunes helper, and a mobile device helper. As far as iTunes is concerned, Quicktime IS a small unobtrusive library that is only loaded as necessary.
Re: iTunes, that is exactly how iTunes works: Select a song, play the song. Select the album, play the album, select the genre, play the genre, etc.
That doesn't make any sense. Codecs don't materialize out of ether. Some library needs to be loaded to decode audio and video. Without QuickTime you still need SOMETHING on your computer to play and load the files you place on your iPod.
So it is still a question: What is wrong with iTunes? Quicktime is not a sufficient answer unless you can tell me what is wrong with Quicktime.
And as a corollary, what do you use instead of Quicktime if you don't have Quicktime?
Except you would be wrong. Even within this thread there are posters bashing iTunes the program (and not the store), so it isn't immediately obvious that the OP was talking about iTunes the store vs iTunes the program!
Why is it clear he was talking about iTunes the store (where 1/3 of the music is actually DRM free) and not iTunes the app?
You mean because he says "I won't touch iTunes or MS-DRM" that he means "I won't touch iTunes DRM or MS DRM"? He never says anything to the effect that he means iTunes or MS-DRM vs iTunes DRM or MS DRM.
No it doesn't. All the metadata is embedded in the files, so if you can hack the hash-table, you can certainly deal with repopulating the fs data from the metadata.
Most people CAN'T do what iTunes (and you) do. Most people don't know anything about file systems, don't know how to search, and don't know how to create indexes.
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding: The rise of the iPod as 73% of the market.
You don't need iTunes, but it needs to exist for the remaining 80% of the population that can't do anything you can do.
Oh, and another point: Who cares if the files are "mangled", you aren't interacting using a file system on an iPod, you are interacting with the iPod. Or put another way, to argue about the iPod 'mangling' is the same as arguing about how a FS "obscures" the underlying data... Duh!
iPods "mangle" for efficiency. IE, the files are sorted into a hash table for quick lookup and easy sorting.
Why should you use iTunes? Because you want it to organize for you (I have better things to do with my time), because you want it to index for you (my file system at the time had horrible search, I have since switched to Mac and no longer care since both use the same index), and because you don't know what a protocol is.
Since you would rather all do it yourself there is obviously no need to use iTunes. For everyone else, iTunes is a solution.
The iPod has been a mass storage device since 2001. Only the mini/nano and iPod touch eschew the feature, though I believe both can be hacked to do so.
Except that, mathematically and statistically, you are not contributing to global population growth if you have two or fewer kids.
Replacement rate (steady state population) require 2.1 or so kids. If you have 2 kids, then you are actually contributing to population decline since a small portion of each generation is killed by accidents and such.
What does using iTunes have to do with DRM? iTunes automatically sorts your files on your computer according to artist, album, and genre, it maintains a database so you can quickly search and sort, it streams music on a LAN, and it allows for synchronization by playlist, shuffle, or drag and drop (within iTunes).
iTunes sorts it by band/artist/album/genre (filesystem, as well as library) iTunes can stream to any iTunes client on the same network (limit of 5 clients at once) iTunes allows you to sych by playlist, autofill, or drag-drop iPod classics (now up to 120GB) have been mass storage from day one
They have 90% marketshare because of two things: A licensing deal that pays them for every PC sold irrespective of which OS was installed, and the price competition between PC vendors.
Apple has tapped into the second force by switching to Intel, while the first has been neutralized with the DOJ antitrust trial (I believe).
Um, that is like saying a garage not expanding it's door makes it the garage's fault for not allowing taller vehicles.
The carrier not willing to build out its infrastructure is still limited by physics: A tethering option will prevent non-tethered 3G users from using existing bandwidth in a bandwidth starved environment.
You're saying you can build a Mac compatible system from the list of components for less than $450 dollars?
gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3 for $132 1GB DDR2 for $25 Core 2 Duo E2160 1.8GHz $60 Case+PS $90 GeForce 7300 GS $70 SATA DVD+RW $40 Seagate SATA HDD $40 EFIX dongle $155 Total of $612
So that explains why Linux has 90% marketshare, right?
Or why Apple is growing so fast too!
Open platforms is a hidden advantage; but so is user interface design, integration, and usability, and those are all benefits that Apple has in spades.
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Re: Quicktime, Quicktime doesn't load any tray-icons, services, or other things at startup-login. Maybe you have Quicktime confused with iTunes? iTunes has an iPod helper, iTunes helper, and a mobile device helper. As far as iTunes is concerned, Quicktime IS a small unobtrusive library that is only loaded as necessary.
Re: iTunes, that is exactly how iTunes works: Select a song, play the song. Select the album, play the album, select the genre, play the genre, etc.
That doesn't make any sense. Codecs don't materialize out of ether. Some library needs to be loaded to decode audio and video. Without QuickTime you still need SOMETHING on your computer to play and load the files you place on your iPod.
So it is still a question: What is wrong with iTunes? Quicktime is not a sufficient answer unless you can tell me what is wrong with Quicktime.
And as a corollary, what do you use instead of Quicktime if you don't have Quicktime?
Except you would be wrong. Even within this thread there are posters bashing iTunes the program (and not the store), so it isn't immediately obvious that the OP was talking about iTunes the store vs iTunes the program!
Without Quicktime, iTunes can't play MP3s, M4A, M4V, etc. So in that sense, Quicktime is the codec library where iTunes is the interface.
Why is it clear he was talking about iTunes the store (where 1/3 of the music is actually DRM free) and not iTunes the app?
You mean because he says "I won't touch iTunes or MS-DRM" that he means "I won't touch iTunes DRM or MS DRM"? He never says anything to the effect that he means iTunes or MS-DRM vs iTunes DRM or MS DRM.
No it doesn't. All the metadata is embedded in the files, so if you can hack the hash-table, you can certainly deal with repopulating the fs data from the metadata.
Most people CAN'T do what iTunes (and you) do. Most people don't know anything about file systems, don't know how to search, and don't know how to create indexes.
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding: The rise of the iPod as 73% of the market.
You don't need iTunes, but it needs to exist for the remaining 80% of the population that can't do anything you can do.
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Sort
Index
Synch
Oh, and another point: Who cares if the files are "mangled", you aren't interacting using a file system on an iPod, you are interacting with the iPod. Or put another way, to argue about the iPod 'mangling' is the same as arguing about how a FS "obscures" the underlying data... Duh!
iPods "mangle" for efficiency. IE, the files are sorted into a hash table for quick lookup and easy sorting.
Why should you use iTunes? Because you want it to organize for you (I have better things to do with my time), because you want it to index for you (my file system at the time had horrible search, I have since switched to Mac and no longer care since both use the same index), and because you don't know what a protocol is.
Since you would rather all do it yourself there is obviously no need to use iTunes. For everyone else, iTunes is a solution.
What are you trying to show? Expose on Mac was first demonstrated in 2003. Kwin's Window Present feature wasn't available until 2007...
What is wrong with iTunes?
The iPod has been a mass storage device since 2001. Only the mini/nano and iPod touch eschew the feature, though I believe both can be hacked to do so.
Why is that clear?
Except France also has higher taxes, lower productivity, and higher unemployment. Always good with the bad.
The cia factbook will tell you the average growth rate of many countries.
Didn't you know? Only the smart people read the warnings.
So removing the warnings would only kill smart people; stupid people already kill themselves.
If you really want that effect, you should remove legislation such as helmet and seatbeat laws.
Except that, mathematically and statistically, you are not contributing to global population growth if you have two or fewer kids.
Replacement rate (steady state population) require 2.1 or so kids. If you have 2 kids, then you are actually contributing to population decline since a small portion of each generation is killed by accidents and such.
The... ignorance in this thread is frightening.
What does using iTunes have to do with DRM? iTunes automatically sorts your files on your computer according to artist, album, and genre, it maintains a database so you can quickly search and sort, it streams music on a LAN, and it allows for synchronization by playlist, shuffle, or drag and drop (within iTunes).
iTunes and iPod do everything you just listed!
iTunes sorts it by band/artist/album/genre (filesystem, as well as library)
iTunes can stream to any iTunes client on the same network (limit of 5 clients at once)
iTunes allows you to sych by playlist, autofill, or drag-drop
iPod classics (now up to 120GB) have been mass storage from day one
Huh? But iTunes does file hierarchies.
The only difference is that iTunes does it for you, automatically, as opposed to manually.
Think of it this way:
iTunes sorts the books, places them in the stack, creates the index, and then keeps the index sorted AND searchable.
Otherwise you would have to manually sort books, place books, write indexes, etc, and that takes a lot of time and effort.
Are you talking about MS?
They have 90% marketshare because of two things: A licensing deal that pays them for every PC sold irrespective of which OS was installed, and the price competition between PC vendors.
Apple has tapped into the second force by switching to Intel, while the first has been neutralized with the DOJ antitrust trial (I believe).
That is why Dell is struggling now, closing factories, laying off employees, and going through a restructuring of how they sell computers.
Um, that is like saying a garage not expanding it's door makes it the garage's fault for not allowing taller vehicles.
The carrier not willing to build out its infrastructure is still limited by physics: A tethering option will prevent non-tethered 3G users from using existing bandwidth in a bandwidth starved environment.
You're saying you can build a Mac compatible system from the list of components for less than $450 dollars?
gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3 for $132
1GB DDR2 for $25
Core 2 Duo E2160 1.8GHz $60
Case+PS $90
GeForce 7300 GS $70
SATA DVD+RW $40
Seagate SATA HDD $40
EFIX dongle $155
Total of $612
Not including shipping+handling+tax of course.
So that explains why Linux has 90% marketshare, right?
Or why Apple is growing so fast too!
Open platforms is a hidden advantage; but so is user interface design, integration, and usability, and those are all benefits that Apple has in spades.